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Beefstorm
Jul 20, 2010


Jerk McJerkface posted:

Go to an official real At&t store. If you go to an affiliate they'll give you some BS about how you have to buy the new SIM and charge you .

Not all resellers charge you for a SIM. Where I work we do not. But I do agree. Avoid the hassle and go to a corporate store.

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EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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Beefstorm posted:

Not all resellers charge you for a SIM. Where I work we do not. But I do agree. Avoid the hassle and go to a corporate store.

Most charge. Yours is the exception

thebushcommander
Apr 16, 2004
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Sooo I returned that 4S and got a Note to tide me over. I must say, even though this thing is mega huge, it's pretty awesome. Also, LTE speeds here in Charlotte, NC (at least where I live) are insanely fast. Averaging 28mbps/19mbps on speed tests.

Nyc_Tattoo
Feb 28, 2001

Mod of Sales or Mod for Sale, you be the judge...

I'm loving the Note. I'm impatient for ICS, and knowing Samsung, the bastards may never release it. I don't feel like rooting the phone, but I really may have no choice. Also bonus for walking into an AT&T store with a work ID, and walking out with a 20% monthly discount. Added bonus of complaining to the rep the whole time about AT&T's pricing and bullshit unlimited, $20 text messaging, while he spent 10 mins going through the computer finding me the best discount he could. I'm such a dick.

Nyc_Tattoo fucked around with this message at Mar 5, 2012 around 18:50

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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Nyc_Tattoo posted:

I'm loving the Note. I'm impatient for ICS, and knowing Samsung, the bastards may never release it. I don't feel like rooting the phone, but I really may have no choice. Also bonus for walking into an AT&T store with a work ID, and walking out with a 20% monthly discount. Added bonus of complaining to the rep the whole time about AT&T's pricing and bullshit unlimited, $20 text messaging, while he spent 10 mins going through the computer finding me the best discount he could. I'm such a dick.

I think I said this somewhere. But our samsung reps bf/husband works for samsung engineering. She's used ics on a att note and said its really close.

So here's to hoping

thebushcommander
Apr 16, 2004
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EbolaIvory posted:

I think I said this somewhere. But our samsung reps bf/husband works for samsung engineering. She's used ics on a att note and said its really close.

So here's to hoping


I read something earlier about it. Apparently some samsung mobile guy posted on facebook saying the ICS rollout to the Galaxy S2 phones and their variants including the Note is dropping on March 15th. I don't however know if that applies to every carry around the world as this was posted to a Israel carriers fbook page.


Edit: apparently I didn't read the entire thing this morning, USA customers have to wait longer.

thebushcommander fucked around with this message at Mar 5, 2012 around 19:56

direspoon
Jul 8, 2006

Is that a spoon around your neck, or are you just happy to see me?



I'm on a family plan with my parents right now, but all of us are out of contract. My mom really wants to get an iPhone 4S. I'm considering getting one, or maybe waiting for a Lumia 900. I'm going with my mom to an AT&T store tomorrow; any idea what kind of deals we could get, or suggestions on what to say to make out the best we can?

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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direspoon posted:

I'm on a family plan with my parents right now, but all of us are out of contract. My mom really wants to get an iPhone 4S. I'm considering getting one, or maybe waiting for a Lumia 900. I'm going with my mom to an AT&T store tomorrow; any idea what kind of deals we could get, or suggestions on what to say to make out the best we can?

Depends on market bud. What I could do for you, Wouldnt be doable by other markets and things.

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

direspoon posted:

I'm on a family plan with my parents right now, but all of us are out of contract. My mom really wants to get an iPhone 4S. I'm considering getting one, or maybe waiting for a Lumia 900. I'm going with my mom to an AT&T store tomorrow; any idea what kind of deals we could get, or suggestions on what to say to make out the best we can?

Are you asking for discounts on the phones or plans? Either way, you're hosed, especially if your mom wants an iPhone.

direspoon
Jul 8, 2006

Is that a spoon around your neck, or are you just happy to see me?



Rent posted:

Are you asking for discounts on the phones or plans? Either way, you're hosed, especially if your mom wants an iPhone.

Yeah, that's what I figured. And we already have a FAN through my job, but since we have an old grandfathered-in minute plan, we're only saving 20% off of about $35.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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direspoon posted:

Yeah, that's what I figured. And we already have a FAN through my job, but since we have an old grandfathered-in minute plan, we're only saving 20% off of about $35.

Accessories are doable on the cheaper side, assuming you buy a ton of poo poo. I wiggle all kinds of money off that poo poo every day. Phones is no dice at AT&T owned locations.

Just ask, Let em know you know they have goals, and you'll be happy to help them hit them if they work with you on poo poo. I hate saying it that way, But its true, we have goals and they arnt low, trust me.

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2012 around 02:04

hotsauce
Jan 14, 2007


So I dropped into my friendly ATT store today to inquire about possibly giving up my "unlimited" data plan for the 5 gig w/tethering but chickened out. I may get the Lumia 900 when it lands but struggle with paying $50 for 5 gigs when I can have the same for $30 w/o tethering.

How slow do the throttled speeds go with an LTE plan? Down to 3g or edge like HSDPA throttling? The guy at the store had no clue.

If the 4g throttling is as molasses slow as the normal throttling I may just go the 5gig route.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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hotsauce posted:

So I dropped into my friendly ATT store today to inquire about possibly giving up my "unlimited" data plan for the 5 gig w/tethering but chickened out. I may get the Lumia 900 when it lands but struggle with paying $50 for 5 gigs when I can have the same for $30 w/o tethering.

How slow do the throttled speeds go with an LTE plan? Down to 3g or edge like HSDPA throttling? The guy at the store had no clue.

If the 4g throttling is as molasses slow as the normal throttling I may just go the 5gig route.

Ya its pretty much edge

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be." Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. The thought you cannot think controls you more than thoughts you speak aloud.


So, I went into a corp store last week and got a 4S to sell on ebay. The guy helping me accidentally removed my MediNet Unlimited plan and added an iPhone data plan. He needed a manager to fix it, and for some reason he couldn't do it until the next day.

So I checked later the next day and found that they had indeed fixed it and I was back on MediaNet Unlimited.

Fast-forward to this morning and, after using MediaNet Unlimited for many years with all sorts of smartphones, I got a text saying that I was being switched over to a $30/month limited data plan for smartphones. I find it pretty coincidental that after using this fine for years, I get switched right after the fuckery with my account in the corp store.

I guess I'm screwed here?

hotsauce
Jan 14, 2007


Thermopyle posted:


I guess I'm screwed here?

Tinfoil and all but it looks like they finally found a way to boot you off.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000



Thermopyle posted:

I guess I'm screwed here?

What phone are you using?

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be." Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. The thought you cannot think controls you more than thoughts you speak aloud.


Maneki Neko posted:

What phone are you using?

Nexus One.

c0ldfuse
Jun 18, 2004

The pursuit of excellence.


When I hit my throttle I couldn't even watch Youtube videos.

However, I surmise there are some infrastructure problems in Minneapolis on AT&T.

thebushcommander
Apr 16, 2004
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Thermopyle posted:

So, I went into a corp store last week and got a 4S to sell on ebay. The guy helping me accidentally removed my MediNet Unlimited plan and added an iPhone data plan. He needed a manager to fix it, and for some reason he couldn't do it until the next day.

So I checked later the next day and found that they had indeed fixed it and I was back on MediaNet Unlimited.

Fast-forward to this morning and, after using MediaNet Unlimited for many years with all sorts of smartphones, I got a text saying that I was being switched over to a $30/month limited data plan for smartphones. I find it pretty coincidental that after using this fine for years, I get switched right after the fuckery with my account in the corp store.

I guess I'm screwed here?

So they switched you from an unlimited Medianet plan to an unlimited iphone data plan and when you told them to fix it they did and then pushed you to a 3GB Smartphone plan? Check your account and see if it shows your account using a 4S or not. Afaik, the medianet unlimited was for feature/dumb phones only and it's probable that the switch was automated through the system because it saw you were using a 4S now.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be." Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. The thought you cannot think controls you more than thoughts you speak aloud.


thebushcommander posted:

So they switched you from an unlimited Medianet plan to an unlimited iphone data plan and when you told them to fix it they did and then pushed you to a 3GB Smartphone plan? Check your account and see if it shows your account using a 4S or not. Afaik, the medianet unlimited was for feature/dumb phones only and it's probable that the switch was automated through the system because it saw you were using a 4S now.

It shows me using an unknown device:



I don't know exactly what plan he had me switched to, he just told me at the store "oops, I accidentally changed your data plan".

The next day, after he called and left me a message saying it was fixed, I checked online and it showed me back on Medianet Unlimited.

Today it got switched to the DataPro 3GB $30 plan because AT&T says I require it.

ExcessBLarg!
Aug 31, 2001


Thermopyle posted:

I don't know exactly what plan he had me switched to, he just told me at the store "oops, I accidentally changed your data plan".
That's lovely.

Thermopyle posted:

Today it got switched to the DataPro 3GB $30 plan because AT&T says I require it.
That may well be the case. One of the stipulations I think all the carriers have is that, in order to use a subsidized upgrade on a smartphone, you have to carry a smartphone-compatible data plan throughout the duration of the contract period. There really wouldn't be a way to make up the subsidy otherwise.

thebushcommander
Apr 16, 2004
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ExcessBLarg! posted:

That's lovely.

That may well be the case. One of the stipulations I think all the carriers have is that, in order to use a subsidized upgrade on a smartphone, you have to carry a smartphone-compatible data plan throughout the duration of the contract period. There really wouldn't be a way to make up the subsidy otherwise.

I've always used the iphone unlimited plan, even with my Nexus One. I blew an upgrade on the Galaxy Note and their system shows me on a GNote with some "smartphone unlimited" data plan that isn't in any of their options. Obviously because you can't buy it anymore. It used to say iphone unlimited until I got the note.

It's only $30 dollars a month, but I guess now it's basically like getting a 5GB plan for cheaper and with 0 overage charges. Wasn't the medianet unlimited $20 dollar plan for dumbphones? They should be able to switch you to the $30 unlimited I think. Just make a big deal out of it.

obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004



ExcessBLarg! posted:

One of the stipulations I think all the carriers have is that, in order to use a subsidized upgrade on a smartphone, you have to carry a smartphone-compatible data plan throughout the duration of the contract period. There really wouldn't be a way to make up the subsidy otherwise.

That's a good guess, where have you seen that in writing? It almost certainly has more to do with smartphones with their potential capabilities and the resources used on the network. A rudimentary analogy would be that both bicycles and cars use the road, but you pay taxes on the car because of their impact.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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ExcessBLarg! posted:

That's lovely.

That may well be the case. One of the stipulations I think all the carriers have is that, in order to use a subsidized upgrade on a smartphone, you have to carry a smartphone-compatible data plan throughout the duration of the contract period. There really wouldn't be a way to make up the subsidy otherwise.

We dont contract features. So no.

ExcessBLarg!
Aug 31, 2001


obeyasia posted:

That's a good guess, where have you seen that in writing?
Specifically in regard to AT&T, it says this under every device listed on their Smartphone page:

AT&T posted:

2-yr voice agreement with qualifying monthly data plan required.
I haven't purchased an AT&T subsidized device before, but I image they have stronger language to that effect in the actual purchase agreement. I have seen such language in T-Mobile purchase agreements, although I don't have a copy of that right now.

obeyasia posted:

It almost certainly has more to do with smartphones with their potential capabilities and the resources used on the network.
No, that's the alleged motivation of moving towards data tiers. Which is now called into question when AT&T is musing the idea of having developers pay for bandwidth.

What it really comes down to is that AT&T spends far more on smartphone subsidies than dumbphones. Compare their retail prices. Or alternatively, consider that the starting ETF amount for an "Advanced" (smartphone) device is $325, while a "Standard" (dumbphone) is $150. In short, AT&T needs to collect at least $8/mo more per-smartphone subscription than a comparable dumbphone subscription. In the old days, that translates to the $10/mo smartphone data premium ($30/mo unlimited vs $20/mo unlimited) rather nicely.

Of course, tiers do complicate the matter, but it doesn't change that AT&T has to extract a greater monthly fee from smartphone users than dumbphone users to break even on subsidies.

EbolaIvory posted:

We dont contract features. So no.
I know you don't contract on the $20 vs $30/mo plan. But contracted smartphone customers aren't required to maintain some data plan throughout the duration of the contract, even if they don't keep the device?

If that's the case, then I guess it is different from how T-Mo does it. Also, anyone who is content using dumbphones on AT&T voice service should be flipping iPhones every two years for payday.

ExcessBLarg! fucked around with this message at Mar 7, 2012 around 18:51

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Macrossnalds, I'm lovin' it.

Two questions.

If I move my parents over to AT&T on a new account is there any way to sneak my corporate discount onto their plan without me being the account owner? Since I just also moved my family over they won't let me open a second account yet. Same last name and that's the only identifiable part of my e-mail address, so I'm thinking there's probably a sneaky way to do this?

vvvv Oh I think this was answered while i was posting.

Number two is if I set my Dad up on a Titan and he refuses to become smart enough to learn a smartphone, can I just put him on a gophone and ditch the data plan without issue? Or does the new contract require two years worth of a data plan as well?

OldPueblo fucked around with this message at Mar 7, 2012 around 18:51

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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ExcessBLarg! posted:

I know you don't contract on the $20 vs $30/mo plan. But contracted smartphone customers aren't required to maintain some data plan throughout the duration of the contract, even if they don't keep the device?

If that's the case, then I guess it is different from how T-Mo does it. Also, anyone who is content using dumbphones on AT&T voice service should be flipping iPhones every two years for payday.

Correct. You can have a dumbphone, upgrade to an iPhone, switch the hardware back to dumbphone and continue with no data plan at all. Unless you're using the device, we dont contract features, and data is a feature.

Your ETF is 350 instead of 175 or whatever, Thats the difference, and thats it.


OldPueblo posted:

Two questions.

If I move my parents over to AT&T on a new account is there any way to sneak my corporate discount onto their plan without me being the account owner? Since I just also moved my family over they won't let me open a second account yet. Same last name and that's the only identifiable part of my e-mail address, so I'm thinking there's probably a sneaky way to do this?

vvvv Oh I think this was answered while i was posting.

Number two is if I set my Dad up on a Titan and he refuses to become smart enough to learn a smartphone, can I just put him on a gophone and ditch the data plan without issue? Or does the new contract require two years worth of a data plan as well?

Same first and last names?
Go nuts. Itll float through.

ExcessBLarg!
Aug 31, 2001


EbolaIvory posted:

Correct. You can have a dumbphone, upgrade to an iPhone, switch the hardware back to dumbphone and continue with no data plan at all. Unless you're using the device, we dont contract features, and data is a feature.
I stand corrected, thanks for clarifying.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Macrossnalds, I'm lovin' it.

EbolaIvory posted:

Correct. You can have a dumbphone, upgrade to an iPhone, switch the hardware back to dumbphone and continue with no data plan at all. Unless you're using the device, we dont contract features, and data is a feature.

Your ETF is 350 instead of 175 or whatever, Thats the difference, and thats it.

What if you start out with the data plan though, at the start of the contract?

EbolaIvory posted:

Same first and last names?
Go nuts. Itll float through.

No same last name only, but my e-mail address that they would use to initiate it is lastname@companyname.com. So basically my assumption is they wouldn't know that my Dad does not in fact work at that company.

obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004



ExcessBLarg! posted:

If that's the case, then I guess it is different from how T-Mo does it. Also, anyone who is content using dumbphones on AT&T voice service should be flipping iPhones every two years for payday.

Then it's win/win for AT&T. They get a new contract without being guaranteed that network resources will be used. There's a chance that flipped iPhones end up on any number of carriers internationally.

Like the other guy said, no contracts on features.

obeyasia fucked around with this message at Mar 7, 2012 around 22:25

obeyasia
Sep 21, 2004



OldPueblo posted:

What if you start out with the data plan though, at the start of the contract?


No same last name only, but my e-mail address that they would use to initiate it is lastname@companyname.com. So basically my assumption is they wouldn't know that my Dad does not in fact work at that company.

If your SIM is in a smartphone connecting to the network you must have a data plan. If your SIM is not in a smartphone connecting to the network, you do not have to have a data plan. Everything else is irrelevant.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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OldPueblo posted:

What if you start out with the data plan though, at the start of the contract?


No same last name only, but my e-mail address that they would use to initiate it is lastname@companyname.com. So basically my assumption is they wouldn't know that my Dad does not in fact work at that company.

Dont matter, So long as you're using a dumbphone you dont need data.

Try the email thing, worst case they deny it later.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Macrossnalds, I'm lovin' it.

Good deal. I think "Dad" is going to call in after the account is setup and add his corporate e-mail.

OldPueblo
May 2, 2007

Macrossnalds, I'm lovin' it.

Oh hey I just had a thought. What if my wife opened the second account that I'm not able to? As far as they'd be concerned she's a whole seperate person right? Can her spouses discount then be used (mine)? I'd basically like to be able to handle all of this for my parents.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

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OldPueblo posted:

Oh hey I just had a thought. What if my wife opened the second account that I'm not able to? As far as they'd be concerned she's a whole seperate person right? Can her spouses discount then be used (mine)? I'd basically like to be able to handle all of this for my parents.

No. It needs to be your account.

smackfu
Jun 7, 2004



EbolaIvory posted:

Correct. You can have a dumbphone, upgrade to an iPhone, switch the hardware back to dumbphone and continue with no data plan at all. Unless you're using the device, we dont contract features, and data is a feature.
Yep, this is exactly what my girlfriend did when she lost her iPhone 4. Used her mom's dumbphone upgrade and then did a SIM switcharoo and wham, a subsidized iPhone 4S after only 10 months. Of course her mom is stuck on the contract for the duration, but she was doing that anyways.

deck
Jul 13, 2006



I smashed my AT&T iPhone4 and I'm exploring my options. I'm not really interested in attempting to replace the screen, since that looks like a huge hassle.

I'm confused by this upgrade subsidy that people are mentioning. Does it change when the contract expires? My contract isn't up until June, and the prices I'm seeing on ATT's site are identical for upgrade and new contract.

Should I just hang onto my busted phone for a few months if I'm thinking of just going to the 4S or Galaxy Note?

Rent
Jul 20, 2004
Steal the warm wind tired friend

pee posted:

I smashed my AT&T iPhone4 and I'm exploring my options. I'm not really interested in attempting to replace the screen, since that looks like a huge hassle.

I'm confused by this upgrade subsidy that people are mentioning. Does it change when the contract expires? My contract isn't up until June, and the prices I'm seeing on ATT's site are identical for upgrade and new contract.

Should I just hang onto my busted phone for a few months if I'm thinking of just going to the 4S or Galaxy Note?

You always get an ugprade earlier than your contract end date. To check your upgrade date for sure, go to your phones dialer and hit *639#, then hit call/send. It will text you your upgrade date.

deck
Jul 13, 2006



Thanks, it says I'm eligible with $36 fee. So I guess the prices I'm seeing here are the best they'll get? Is $200 for the 4S ($300 for Galaxy Note) w/contract the typical upgrade prices?

Also: Is the busted-screen iPhone4 worth anything or should I just toss it?

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Aug 27, 2010

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pee posted:

Thanks, it says I'm eligible with $36 fee. So I guess the prices I'm seeing here are the best they'll get? Is $200 for the 4S ($300 for Galaxy Note) w/contract the typical upgrade prices?

Also: Is the busted-screen iPhone4 worth anything or should I just toss it?

I'd buy it if you're interested in selling. Just the screen shattered I assume?

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