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PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004



Synonamess Botch posted:

Bolt #22 attached the blinker assembly onto part #7. Part #7, which you can see is a hex nut on the inside, screws onto a bolt which sticks out of the fork tubes (this part is not on that diagram). This bolt is spinning freely inside the fork tube. I can take another picture if it's still unclear.

Ah, I thought just the blinker part was spinning on the mounting post.

On here it looks like it has a stud on the ear instead of a bolt. At least the bolt doesn't have a part number if it is. Maybe the studs got snapped off at one time and someone replaced them with bolts?

This Ebay listing looks like it has some hollow studs in there instead of bolts as well.

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SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

Howdy vintage people! Just picked up a 79' CX500 Deluxe. Fires right up, needs some cosmetic parts (blinkers etc) and it's dying for some lower bars. Would you guys recommend clip-ons or clubman bars? What are the pros and cons of each?

Gracias!

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!


Neither. Clipons and clubmans are a quick way to hate the bike. You want Superbike, or euro bars. they're about 6" higher than clubmans or clipons will sit. which is still 4-6" lower than the stock bars.

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

Any suggestions as far as brands/sizes go?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

Don't you wish all '07s were this cool?

I'd be interested in a site for cheap bars too. Just replied to your PM, sorry man, but I hope you got it for 200$. If it's a runner for 300$, though, that's still fine, those engines are bulletproof with the exception of the stator issues.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!


http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/Index_Main_Frame.htm

$20-30 per set of bars.

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

Nerobro posted:

http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/Index_Main_Frame.htm

$20-30 per set of bars.

Awesome, are they all one diameter?

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!


yes. The world decided 7/8 is the proper bar diameter. Only "some" dirtbikes, and harley ignore this.

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

Sounds good to me, thanks for the info. Gunna detail it tonight most likely, fix the busted blinkers and pegs next week and I'll upload some pics.

Raven457
Aug 7, 2002
I bought Torquemada's torture equipment on e-bay!

Z1 has bars cheap too. I got the Daytonas for my GS850 from them.

Daytona - 14.41
http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=2741
Drag - 12.60
http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=1936
Euro - 14.41
http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=2760
LTD - 21.09
http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=2743
Magna/Hawk - 19.36
http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=2742
Superbike - 14.03
http://www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=2135

ari.gato
Aug 13, 2003


Nerobro posted:

Neither. Clipons and clubmans are a quick way to hate the bike. You want Superbike, or euro bars. they're about 6" higher than clubmans or clipons will sit. which is still 4-6" lower than the stock bars.

Depends on the look you're going for the bike honestly. I have clubmans on my cafe racer and I love them. Definitely strengthens your core muscles, but if you're sitting on the bike properly, it's not a huge deal. But to each their own.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!


ari.gato posted:

Depends on the look you're going for the bike honestly. I have clubmans on my cafe racer and I love them. Definitely strengthens your core muscles, but if you're sitting on the bike properly, it's not a huge deal. But to each their own.

What bike do you have? It also depends greatly on triple height, tank length, your own body size, and seat height. ;-)

For instance, a buddy could run drag bars on his 550 without any trouble. I... can't. he was 6'3", I'm 10" short of that.

Utility always trumps looks. It's a damned UJM. Leave it setup so you can still use it univerally.

2ndclasscitizen
Jan 2, 2009



ari.gato posted:

Depends on the look you're going for the bike honestly. I have clubmans on my cafe racer and I love them. Definitely strengthens your core muscles, but if you're sitting on the bike properly, it's not a huge deal. But to each their own.

Clubman bars suck balls. I rode a Buell 1125CR with them and hated every minute of it. Having your hands basically forward of the forks is crap.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!


I thought the 1125cr had clipons.

2ndclasscitizen
Jan 2, 2009



Nerobro posted:

I thought the 1125cr had clipons.

The 1125R does, and is more comfortable.

Buell inlficted these upon the CR:

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep


Friend of mine has drag bars on his XS400 and they're not bad for comfort. You do feel like a bit of a tool after a while with your feet in standard foot peg position and your arms all forward. Rearsets might have made it better.

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

So I picked up the beast last night, and it has it's quirks.

Things to ponder:

When it runs, it runs great.. no chattering, sputtering or anything out of the ordinary. It idles fine sometimes around 1100 RPM -> Sometimes when it's winding down from a go to a stop, it will die. I kept on the throttle a little bit to keep it alive most of the ride home.

The choke seems to do nothing, it's one of the pull style chokes, up - on, down - off.

The brake light is always on even when the pedal/lever is not depressed.

For the idling/dying thing, I imagine I'm going to have to clean the carbs, they're probably filthy. I'm also going to end up replacing plugs/wires as one of the wires has some electrical tape on it, which I don't like to see.

Choke, replace/lube cable?

Rear light: check wiring/continuity and hope for the best.

The bike came with a Haynes manual, so I should be able to do all of this pretty easily. For those with carb'd bikes, is it a messy process taking the carbs off? I live in an apartment and I want to avoid getting the ground all gassy/oily as much as possible.

Also, the battery likes to die, likely that it needs a new one as it's been sitting dead for a month. The ride home was about 35 minutes on the streets but I kept it above 5k as much as possible to charge that bitch up on my way back. Got home, let it idle for about 4 mins. while I played with the idle control, turned it off and when I went to start it up again it was dead.

Am I going about this right or am I crazy?

Here's the craigslist pictures:

SaNChEzZ fucked around with this message at Jul 14, 2010 around 17:39

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free


SaNChEzZ posted:


Am I going about this right or am I crazy?


Yes to both. And this is lengthy, because I feel partially responsible (I recommended the exact model to someone else on another thread).

Sending good karma your way in hopes that a small investment in a decent battery will cure the electrical issue. As the fellow owner of a kickerless Honda, charging problems are now something I'm familiar with in the biblical sense. It is easily the most common problem reported on forums for DOHC Hondas of that era--and, more than likely, the CX/GL line as well. It's now my first line of questioning to a seller--bald tires I can deal with.

Many riders in a similar situation have opted for batteries from Big Crank--I don't know what their value proposition is, but they get raves. Example:

http://www.vjmog.com/ftopict-677.html

You're contemplating all the right things, this included. But as has been stated elsewhere, for this particular model you probably want to ensure that you have a functional charging system first, as replacement can mean pulling the motor. That's a pretty big commitment, so if the carbs that are in there got you home, I'd probably ignore them for the time being. It's wasted effort if you hit a dead end on electrical and give up.

Take the existing batt to an Autozone or Batteries Plus or something and have them do a free health check. If it's a lost cause, get the replacement of your choice. If it holds, you're good--move on to the fuel system, etc. If not, there are a a handful of good diagnostic flowcharts out there for pinpointing the trouble. I'll point you there if it becomes necessary.

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

Marv Hushman posted:

Yes to both. And this is lengthy, because I feel partially responsible (I recommended the exact model to someone else on another thread).

Sending good karma your way in hopes that a small investment in a decent battery will cure the electrical issue. As the fellow owner of a kickerless Honda, charging problems are now something I'm familiar with in the biblical sense. It is easily the most common problem reported on forums for DOHC Hondas of that era--and, more than likely, the CX/GL line as well. It's now my first line of questioning to a seller--bald tires I can deal with.

Many riders in a similar situation have opted for batteries from Big Crank--I don't know what their value proposition is, but they get raves. Example:

http://www.vjmog.com/ftopict-677.html

You're contemplating all the right things, this included. But as has been stated elsewhere, for this particular model you probably want to ensure that you have a functional charging system first, as replacement can mean pulling the motor. That's a pretty big commitment, so if the carbs that are in there got you home, I'd probably ignore them for the time being. It's wasted effort if you hit a dead end on electrical and give up.

Take the existing batt to an Autozone or Batteries Plus or something and have them do a free health check. If it's a lost cause, get the replacement of your choice. If it holds, you're good--move on to the fuel system, etc. If not, there are a a handful of good diagnostic flowcharts out there for pinpointing the trouble. I'll point you there if it becomes necessary.

Cool, thanks for all the advice. I was going to take it to PepBoys this weekend and have it looked at, was going to do the same with my SV as the PO used to charge it every time before he took it for a ride. Seems the cold cranking amps on my SV's battery are down, and likely that the Honda's are toast as well.

Before I go too in-depth with the fuel system, I'm going to try the basics: Plugs, Seafoam etc. I noticed there's quite a bit of poo poo in the gas tank on the Honda as well. It's not loose, doesn't look like rust, it's more yellowish when I look into the tank with a flashlight. There's an in-line fuel filter right outside the tank, I dunno if it's stock or aftermarket, but it's there and full of poo poo so that needs to be replaced as well.

Upon inspecting the wiring in the tail section last night, I noticed that it's not hooked up right according to the Haynes Manual, so I'll re-wire that this weekend and hopefully have working brake lights. It's almost like the tail light filament is bummed and the brake light filament is stuck on. It's probably something grounding out that shouldn't be, so hopefully it's an easy fix.

And to check the charging system do I just test continuity/voltage with a multimeter? Anywhere in specific I should be testing on this one?

Shlomo Palestein
Apr 16, 2003



Throwing in a recommendation for the bigcrank battery: I've had mine for three years and it's WAAAAY better than the cheapo fill-with-acid-yourself batteries. I leave it on a trickle charger in the winter, and it's never left me stranded after weird situations where I'm cranking more than normal.

AnnoyBot
May 28, 2001


8ender posted:

Friend of mine has drag bars on his XS400 and they're not bad for comfort. You do feel like a bit of a tool after a while with your feet in standard foot peg position and your arms all forward. Rearsets might have made it better.

I had drag bars on my XJ650 Seca for years, and I recently swapped on a set of clubmans. I definitely like the clubmans better, though if I ever really get the loving carbs sorted out such that it's fully usable I'll probably put superbike or daytona bars on.

I think drag bars are the most brutal because they have [almost] no bend to accommodate your wrists at all. The clubmans, despite being low and forward, do have some rake and don't hurt me after 20 minutes.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

Don't you wish all '07s were this cool?

AnnoyBot posted:

I had drag bars on my XJ650 Seca for years, and I recently swapped on a set of clubmans. I definitely like the clubmans better, though if I ever really get the loving carbs sorted out such that it's fully usable I'll probably put superbike or daytona bars on.

I think drag bars are the most brutal because they have [almost] no bend to accommodate your wrists at all. The clubmans, despite being low and forward, do have some rake and don't hurt me after 20 minutes.

I've got the reverse problem...the amount of rake on a clubman bar causes instant pain. The nearly straight on of mildly bent dirt bike bars or drag bars is perfect for me.

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

So I tore everything apart last night trying to get the bike to work, here's what I figured out:

The brake light thing was simple, read my haynes manual in the reflecting room (bathroom), found the foot lever light-actuating switch thingy, took it out, cleaned the rust off of the actual pin that breaks ground to make the light function, all is well. It was just a bit sticky. The bummer is that my hand lever doesn't activate the brake light, so I need to get a new switch for when I change the bars since everything will be open and apart. While I was doing this, I discovered one of the grounds for the tail light was loose and my license plate bulb is burned out.

I played with the idle control a bit more, bumped it up to about 1300rpm +/- 100 and it seems to sit just fine now, I'm just going to leave it a little high until I have an opportunity to tear down the carbs.

I rode it for about 45 minutes total last night, 20 or so to start the journey then I stopped for gas as I had no idea how much was in it. Went to start it, BOOM! Fired right up. Rode it around for a bit longer stopped to hang out with friends for about an hour, let a friend ride it and it started right up for him. It sat for about an hour and when I went to leave it fired up on the first crank like a good bike.

This leads me to the conclusion that the charging system is working, but the battery may be too far gone to prove it, but I'm still going to test everything anyway, battery included.

Next week I'm going to change the bars, replace the blinkers, change the motor and final drive oil, checked the coolant and it looks clean (enough) and I'll probably try to degrease the engine.

Thanks for all the help.

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free


SaNChEzZ posted:

BOOM! Fired right up.

Awright--a good boom.

Hope you don't need them, but I used a combination of the Electrex flowchart and the Mike Nixon guide(s). They're not model/engine specific to the CX, but they contain enough info to work with. Someone's probably youtubed the process by now as well. Buy a multimeter if you don't have one (rubber case and big display if possible), and some contact cleaner (CRC @ the Zone, or DeoxIT if you're a purist and home audio snob and can spend $20 an ounce).

http://www.4strokes.com/tech/fault_find.pdf

http://home.earthlink.net/~trinomial/DOHCcharge.html

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

Marv Hushman posted:

Awright--a good boom.

Hope you don't need them, but I used a combination of the Electrex flowchart and the Mike Nixon guide(s). They're not model/engine specific to the CX, but they contain enough info to work with. Someone's probably youtubed the process by now as well. Buy a multimeter if you don't have one (rubber case and big display if possible), and some contact cleaner (CRC @ the Zone, or DeoxIT if you're a purist and home audio snob and can spend $20 an ounce).

http://www.4strokes.com/tech/fault_find.pdf

http://home.earthlink.net/~trinomial/DOHCcharge.html

Sweet, thanks.

I'll steal a multimeter from my pops, he must have 5 different models. But yeah, everything seems to be running smoothly as of now. Do you know how much of a pain (or not) it's going to be to replace that front brake lever actuator switch thingy?

I know my dad also has this tool, looks like the sarlac pit, it's a cone shape with a bunch of steel bristles in it for cleaning battery terminals (car) wonder if that would work for me.

JointHorse
Feb 6, 2005

Freak of nature, and proud of it.. really!


Sup CA, I'm breaking my silence/lurking of CA by posting about my not-so-planned purchase of an old Yamaha RD125DX 1976



This happened sometime in April, and since then I've been fixing it slowly. It looked to be in good shape, but every time I've done something on it, I've found new problems. Nothing serious so far though, just mangled screws and various little problems from 25 years of neglect. (The papers show that the last time this was registered was sometime in 1984)

So yeah, lot's of quality time spend on fixing bad wiring, replacing worn parts, stuff like that

But, I wouldn't post if I didn't need some help, so can someone help me figure this out:
  • The engine doesn't like to rev beyond 6000-7000rpm. It'll run perfectly below that, but it starts to lose power after that and it feels like the engine is coughing a bit. And it just absolutely refuses to rev beyond 8000rpm or so (the redline is at 10000rpm). And the few times I've test-ridden it, I've maxed out at 85kmh, when the top speed should be around 120kmh, so it should rev higher.
  • Right cylinder runs hotter than the left. And it seems to smoke less than the left cylinder.
  • And the left cylinder sounds "louder". Like it's pre-detonating. The left muffler does leak, so it's louder anyway, but if I throw some rags on where it's leaking and listen carefully, I can hear the right side running normally like a 2-stroke should, but the left side makes a sharper *ping* sound every so often. And it seems to get worse with revs. But it's quite hard to hear, the mufflers are loud enough to cover any small noise.
Both of those could be attributed to ignition/fuel system, but I've cleaned both carbs (yes, I completely dismantled them and cleaned the jets/passages etc) and I just replaced both points/caps, and adjusted them. This bike also has separate tank and pump for 2-stroke oil, and I've checked that too and it seems to work properly.

There are few small things that might affect the engine, but they're so minor (in my opinion) that they shouldn't have any effect (or I haven't really understood how finicky 2-stroke engines really are, even the haynes manual I bought says not to change anything unless I want my engine to lose power/go boom)
  • The right side carb's oil line coming from the pump has snapped at some point in time, and the PO fixed this by jamming a piece of bigger tube on top, and it seems to leak ever so slightly. So little that it shouldn't affect anything. But I'm going to fix this anyway the next time I work on the bike. The repair looks ugly.
  • The mufflers are missing their muffling bits. There's supposed to be a length of pipe filled with holes, and wrapped in some sound insulating stuff, which is then inserted into the muffler. But looking at the service manual it just seems to be a length of pipe which is open at both ends, so it shouldn't affect backpressure or anything like that.
  • Despite changing the points and the caps, it still likes to throw a little spark between the points. Both of these components are brand new, so I'm assuming that the caps actually don't eliminate the spark, they just attenuate (I think that's the right word..?) it.
  • No new spark plugs, because the ones I bought using the code I found in the service manual we're the wrong ones. (Unless the plugs are supposed to be like half the way down the threads). Going to fix this one too the next time I work with the bike.
  • Timing was first set roughly by the mark in the magneto, and then by measuring from the spark plug hole when the piston is 1,8mm before TDC. The manual says to use a special meter that's screwed in the hole, but I just used a (vernier) caliper. This might not be the most accurate way of doing it, but I checked the measures many times, and it should be withing 0,1mm, and I tried to err on the early side of ignition.


...gently caress, that's way more words than I thought I would write, but anyway, that's my story. Ask away for more info or if you need clarification, trying to write coherent technical English is a bitch when you're tired + it's your 2nd language

JointHorse fucked around with this message at Jul 15, 2010 around 21:45

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fuck me in the ass and tell me I'm pretty.


JointHorse posted:

  • The right side carb's oil line coming from the pump has snapped at some point in time, and the PO fixed this by jamming a piece of bigger tube on top, and it seems to leak ever so slightly. So little that it shouldn't affect anything. But I'm going to fix this anyway the next time I work on the bike. The repair looks ugly.
  • The mufflers are missing their muffling bits. There's supposed to be a length of pipe filled with holes, and wrapped in some sound insulating stuff, which is then inserted into the muffler. But looking at the service manual it just seems to be a length of pipe which is open at both ends, so it shouldn't affect backpressure or anything like that.


These are the first things I would suspect. I'm guessing that it may be sucking air through the break in the oil line.

Also, all the bits should be there in the mufflers if you want it to run right, otherwise you'll need to rejet it. The RD motors are notoriously picky about jetting.

JointHorse
Feb 6, 2005

Freak of nature, and proud of it.. really!


Thanks for the fast reply.

We'll see about that oil line, as I'm going to work with the bike this weekend, so that's going to be replaced. The muffler is a bit trickier though, as I'm completely missing those inner bits, and I haven't seen replacements anywhere. I however do have a pair of complete aftermarket mufflers, but they're built with expansion chambers, and I have a feeling they're gonna just make things worse.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep


Phat_Albert posted:

Also, all the bits should be there in the mufflers if you want it to run right, otherwise you'll need to rejet it. The RD motors are notoriously picky about jetting.

Yes this. I can get my YDS3 (RDs grandpa) to run better just by cleaning all the poo poo out of the baffles.

DefaultPeanut
Nov 4, 2006
What's not to like?

Pick up a proper timing gauge and go from there. These things are super picking with timing also. Make sure the points gap is in good shape too. Also, being a DX, I would guess you are somewhere in Europe.

I might as well throw up my RD. It's a 1974 Yamaha RD200 that I started "restoring" when I was 14. I have a boatload of pictures, and a story of how it won me a scholarship through school. I really should make a thread.

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SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

One more update:

Charging system works!!

I;m picking up an 81 CX500 with a seized motor for parts next weekend. Wouldn't hurt to have a couple carbs and misc. bits lying around in case I need them, right?

Blaster of Justice
Jan 6, 2007

by angerbot


Crayvex posted:



I would replace those points AND the capacitors right away.

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free


SaNChEzZ posted:

One more update:

Charging system works!!

I;m picking up an 81 CX500 with a seized motor for parts next weekend. Wouldn't hurt to have a couple carbs and misc. bits lying around in case I need them, right?

Great news. If you've got the space, go for it. Depending on condition/price and what's left to cannibalize, it may be the more economical route. And it doesn't hurt to have an in-house reference sitting there when you're wondering how Tab A connects to Slot B. Who knows, you may have inherited another runner--"seized" is a relative term, and the PO may not have expended much effort to get it unstuck.

SaNChEzZ
Dec 13, 2005

NOT A MEXICAN

Marv Hushman posted:

Great news. If you've got the space, go for it. Depending on condition/price and what's left to cannibalize, it may be the more economical route. And it doesn't hurt to have an in-house reference sitting there when you're wondering how Tab A connects to Slot B. Who knows, you may have inherited another runner--"seized" is a relative term, and the PO may not have expended much effort to get it unstuck.

Well he explained the situation to me. Oil was leaking out of the front seal somewhere, he drained it, replaced the seal, got busy forgot to put oil in it, started it X months later, it ran for about 30 seconds then died. He thinks the 'main bearing' is toast.

Other than that, he said he's owned it about 20 years and it's never been down so I assume the cosmetics are in pretty good shape albeit a bit sun-faded.

We'll see when I get it though.

Edit: Grammar

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free


SaNChEzZ posted:

Well he explained the situation to me. Oil was leaking out of the front seal somewhere, he drained it, replaced the seal, got busy forgot to put oil in it, started it X months later, it ran for about 30 seconds then died. He thinks the 'main bearing' is toast.

Other than that, he said he's owned it about 20 years and it's never been down so I assume the cosmetics are in pretty good shape albeit a bit sun-faded.

We'll see when I get it though.

Edit: Grammar

Well, at least he was honest and you didn't get a "ran when parked" story. You never know...if a CX can survive two spins around the planet, some of it submerged in sea water, it can survive just about anything.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/e...scow/index.html

Crayvex
Dec 15, 2005

Morons! I have morons on my payroll!

Blaster of Justice posted:

I would replace those points AND the capacitors right away.

Looks that bad? I guess I don't know what bad points look like.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!


Condensors go bad as a matter of course. "time" kills them. So they're bad. The points... are probally bad. at minimum they need cleaning.

cheesebot
Jul 21, 2002

I cheesebot

We need more running vintage bikes in this thread.

My gf and I went camping with some of the local ADV guys near the Pachaug, CT trails last weekend and on our way home we explored some "unmaintained" roads and got caught up the in Rhode Island Thrill & Chill weekend (http://netra.org/public/schedule/4#146) where some Brit on a new R1200GS had to slow down to confirm that I was riding alongside him on a forty year old R75/5 loaded down with camping gear.

What he didn't know was that I'm also riding with a torn right rotator cuff - just had the MRI this morning, fun, fun.

Raven457
Aug 7, 2002
I bought Torquemada's torture equipment on e-bay!

cheesebot posted:

We need more running vintage bikes in this thread.

Mine's a running 1980 if that counts

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Skier
Apr 24, 2003

Fuck yeah.

cheesebot posted:

We need more running vintage bikes in this thread.


Early 70s Honda Scrambler with the Continental Divide in the background:

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