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This was brought to my attention by one of my friends who works in rescue. This place popped up on our radar recently, and we're planning to make an appointment with them to go and tour the facilities sometime in the future. The website is pretty nice vs. how some of them look, but goddamn soooooo many dogs and hybrids. UGH http://www.jenniferstinyhearts.com/index.php I wonder if this dumb place is the reason I've been seeing so many designer dogs pop up in the last couple years. OMFG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO my parrot breeder of choice has a link on this site and links back to the mill on theirs  Maybe I should rethink my breeder choice - they just seemed so good at the bird mart 
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BAahahahha at the loving animu dog on the site. Even if I didn't know anything about puppy mills that would turn me away in seconds flat.
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Oct 26, 2009 23:37
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God, these are some of the most  crosses I've ever seen. quote:Title: Cockaliers And she had five litters born in one week! 
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Oct 27, 2009 00:08
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Oct 27, 2009 00:13
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Make sure you actually check out the breeder's premises when you buy a parrot. Some of them can be just as bad as puppy mills. One of the nastiest places I've personally seen comes across as a very nice, knowledgeable parrot breeder at the local shows. You'd never suspect that his birds are crammed in cages caked with crap unless you actually visit his store/house and saw them for yourself.
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Oct 27, 2009 00:13
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Ugh, this made me a little bit sick looking at it. I think the worst part besides of course, the puppy milling, is that the FAQ/Info is all about money/financial questions. Yes, you can buy a puppy with paypal, and it's just a little extra to get it shipped to you!
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Oct 27, 2009 00:43
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Turn her in.
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Oct 27, 2009 01:57
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 16 kennels on that side, I can only wonder if there's 16 more kennels on the other side. Ugh.
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Oct 27, 2009 02:21
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Why do people insist upon saying calling dogs like that "purebred"? The gently caress. There's overflowing animal shelters and people have the gall to breed dogs for money. Honestly, its mentally sick and selfish for somebody to think this is okay. Look at the calendar. I don't mind reputable breeders if they stick to 1-2 litters a year, but this is just ridiculous.
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Oct 27, 2009 03:56
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Carebear posted:Why do people insist upon saying calling dogs like that "purebred"? The gently caress. Don't take this the wrong way, but how does that differ from how breeds that PI considers "acceptable breeds" are created? Dog breeds have always been developed by crossing different breeds that have desirable traits and then defining those traits with continued generations. Its not that far of a stretch to imagine a certain cross of dogs becoming popular one day and then a century later be standardized and healthy breed of dogs bred by "reputable breeders." I bet this forum will still be around, complaining about BYBs breeding crosses of labradoodles and cocker chowders. not to say i support puppy mills or anything cause i don't
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Oct 27, 2009 05:08
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Fausdinotoly posted:Don't take this the wrong way, but how does that differ from how breeds that PI considers "acceptable breeds" are created? Dog breeds have always been developed by crossing different breeds that have desirable traits and then defining those traits with continued generations. Its not that far of a stretch to imagine a certain cross of dogs becoming popular one day and then a century later be standardized and healthy breed of dogs bred by "reputable breeders." I bet this forum will still be around, complaining about BYBs breeding crosses of labradoodles and cocker chowders. Because new breeds are not developed by consistently creating and selling f1 crosses with no other goal in mind than "heh look what i made isnt it cute also hybrid vigor" There are new breeds being developed responsibly right now, and everyone's cool with those, but the two aren't the same and what retarded doodle breeders are doing has nothing in common with the way breeds are actually developed.
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Oct 27, 2009 05:15
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Did anyone else catch this?quote:All my clients are eligible for the "repeat buyer" program which allows them discounts on future purchases. Hey, it's no big deal when your badly-bred little purse critter dies of a defect or you get tired of it! I'll give you a discount on a new one!
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Oct 27, 2009 05:32
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Prof. Ann Mary Ann posted:Hey, it's no big deal when your badly-bred little purse critter dies of a defect or you get tired of it! I'll give you a discount on a new one! Some of those puppies look like they're about to quiver and fall over. How sad.
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Oct 27, 2009 07:37
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Xornvestite posted:Some of those puppies are about to quiver and fall over. How sad. Fixed this for you. :-/
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Oct 27, 2009 20:58
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 This is the creepiest loving puppy I've ever seen.
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Oct 28, 2009 02:25
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pastor of muppets posted:
It looks like something you'd see in one of those photo spreads where they've discovered a bunch of weird new species in some jungle somewhere.
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Oct 28, 2009 02:47
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Looks like she went a little crazy on the red-eye removal tool..
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Oct 28, 2009 03:44
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Holy poo poo, I had no idea there were so many "designer breeds" out there. Who actually pays money for a dog that's basically a mutt? Also the bird breeder linked on that page looks shady as hell...giving the birds some toys might be a good idea.
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Oct 28, 2009 03:59
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razz posted:Who actually pays money for a dog that's basically a mutt? Lots of people. Lots and lots of people.
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Oct 28, 2009 04:05
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razz posted:Holy poo poo, I had no idea there were so many "designer breeds" out there. Who actually pays money for a dog that's basically a mutt? Anyone who pays $1200 for a dog from PetLand
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Oct 28, 2009 11:40
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Went into a Debby's Petland yesterday....first time in a long time. The dogs looked so pathetic. Especially the "bull masitff", which I'm pretty sure was a milled rhodesian ridgeback/mastiff mix, and the basset hound with double cherry eyes It really gets me to the the giant, dysplaisa-prone breeds in pet stores. I'm used to the 2k maltishits, but this kinda hit me because I've always loved molosser type breeds. And the you have the customers: "Haha hey look rabbits, I used to have 8 rabbits" "What happened to them?" "I dunno, they all died."
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Oct 28, 2009 12:46
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pastor of muppets posted:
That looks like an alien dog! I would pay $50 for one!
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Oct 28, 2009 12:58
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Little_Dead_Pets posted:It really gets me to the the giant, dysplaisa-prone breeds in pet stores. I'm used to the 2k maltishits, but this kinda hit me because I've always loved molosser type breeds. I went to visit my boyfriend's mother, and she was showing me this picture of a beautiful merle Great Dane pup. I asked her where the owners found her. She shrugged her shoulders and said "Pet store." *&^@#$... That drives me loving crazy. Who the hell is responsible enough to take care of a dog with special needs like a Dane but ignorant enough to purchase one from a pet store? Sometimes when I'm feeling particularly sadistic I will look at the pet classifieds on Kijiji. Maltipoos! Chiweenies! Pom Chis! (Not to mention the "Dog for stud. No papers. No health testing. But isn't he beautiful!??!?!?!) It makes me want to rage.
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People ask if I want to breed Mikey or Frankie constantly. We took them to a barbecue hosted by some of my husband's coworkers a few weeks ago, and people who also had dogs there constantly came up to us, took one look at our dogs, and just said (without even introducing themselves) "MALE OR FEMALE?" and after we said "Uh...they're both males" the response would either be "OH YEAH IVE GOT A MALE TOO I WAS HOPING YOU HAD A FEMALE" or "HEY IVE GOT A FEMALE WANT PUPPIES"  It was extra weird because it wasn't the usual "oh teehee our dogs are the same breed lets breed them!!!!" people, it was people with dogs of every random breed imaginable. People with retrievers and great danes and american bulldogs who so badly wanted to breed their dog to a really ugly boston terrier or puggle right away. Because, as one of them so graciously informed us, "youre supposed to breed really different dogs because then they're healthier that way!!" These were all military families so most of them are pretty dumb by default, but goddamn. Maltipoos and chiwinis aren't enough anymore, now we need Pugstiffs and Boston Retrievers. For health. I see these same families desperately trying to give away the ugliest, most mutt puppies imaginable on Craigslist a few times a month. Glad to see their business venture is successful!!
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Kerfuffle posted:BAahahahha at the loving animu dog on the site. Even if I didn't know anything about puppy mills that would turn me away in seconds flat. That's the FIRST thing I thought! haahaha! Also, I find that when you click on a puppy picture to enlarge, it's kind of creepy to indicate the one you've seen with a filling red out. Almost like it was a bloodied victim of yours.
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Oct 28, 2009 15:58
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That yorkie pom is one ugly weird looking dog. I was in a local pet store a while back because I had heard that they had nice fish. They did and the fish were very well looked after but they also sold puppies, kittens and parrots so I decided not to buy anything. While I was there, some woman was purchasing a puppy for her daughter. While at the cash register she said "so what kind of dog is this anyways?" Who buys a dog without even knowing what it is?
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Oct 28, 2009 17:46
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Interesting...their "contact" page leads to a "page not found" error. Was there a goonrush on this horrible woman's email or something? Or is she just aware that she's a bad person breeding hideous mutts? EDIT: never mind, contact page back up, which is great, because I have a bad cold and feel the need to rip someone a new one today. ButWhatIf fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Oct 28, 2009 |
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I found out when our boss got a Golden-Poodle cross (Ugh I know, I refuse to call it a golden doodle, I love the dog, I try not to think about how she was produced) that not only can you get a Golden-Standard cross, you can get a Golden-Toy cross! OMG BEST IDEA EVAR!!! It drives me crazy. My sister wants a yorkie and I keep insisting that she get it from a good breeder and not a pet store but she turns a blind eye to it. Hopefully when the time comes that she can actually have one I can point her in the right direction and show her the horrible poo poo that comes out of a dumb rear end's garage.
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Oct 29, 2009 01:42
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Tell her that getting a dog from a breeder is cheaper than a pet store. That might do it if reason doesn't.
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Yeah I intended to visit the bird breeders' place before settling on anything, but just from this association alone I don't expect anything to come of it now. I have a few years, I can wait for a good one/rescue. I do think I'll see what I can do to call this place in; I am appalled at the sheer number of dogs she keeps and breeds and this town is already overrun with hundreds of dogs (god probably thousands) that AC has to round up daily. You used to be able to sit under the bridge off 281 and watch AC come through every 10-15 minutes with full catcher trucks. They impounded hundreds a day, and killed just as many. I'd like to think part of the reason AC moved the city pound was due to the zoo being right nearby, I remember hearing something about some complaints or some BS due to the animals being drug in and the noise from the crowded kennel buildings. Hearsay but who knows.
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Welp, just got a reply from "Jennifer." "How crazy can you and so many get. I have full knowledge of the "show quality" breeders that you speak of. Since you do not know me, nor my operations show total lack of responsibility on your part. For years I bred the purebreed dogs. And many of my AKC dogs came from champion lines also. I also know that so many of our today "PUREBREED" dogs came from the mixing of two or more lines to create the dogs we have today. You appearently do not. I am inspected quarterly by local offices, I put out over 15K a year of vet care and medicians to ensure healthy dogs. I attend conferences yearly sponsored by Veterinary specialist in breeding, puppy care, adult care. They are also sponsored by the makers of many meds for dogs. SO, don't pretend for one minute that you know me or my operation. AND for all those "show quality" professional breeders whom I know that interbreed at least every 3 generations, or terminate puppies at birth because they don't meet the standards>>>> you go on supporting them. AND any "BIG MONEY" they can still from the public by overpricing the puppies. ANYONE who breeds a dog for profit is a "PUPPYMILL" you silly, misinformed idot." Let's play Backyard Breeder Excuse Bingo!
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ButWhatIf posted:Welp, just got a reply from "Jennifer." Hot drat, conferences sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, they MUST have great info!! EDIT: I'm curious, what did you say in your original e-mail?
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I believe I mostly focused on the irresponsibility of pumping out litters of mixed breed dogs when the shelters are packed plenty full of mutts without her help. I think I also added that I would never ever buy a puppy unless the parents had had genetic testing, and breeding without testing doesn't count as "producing healthy puppies." Then I linked to the Backyard Breeders' Big Old Bag of Excuses and asked her to read it and maybe take it to heart. Which apparently she decided to just copy-paste in her reply.
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ButWhatIf posted:Welp, just got a reply from "Jennifer." That's why reputable breeders don't breed for profit. It's entirely normal for [reputable] breeders to come out at a loss once a litter has been placed.
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ButWhatIf posted:I put out over 15K a year of vet care and medicians to ensure healthy dogs. "Medicians"?
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Yeah, spelling and grammar wasn't a strong point of her email, I noticed. It was probably written in a self-righteous fit of "I deserve to breed" rage. After all, who are WE to tell her she can't produce her badly-bred puppies and sell them for exorbitant amounts?
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But if I can't sell puppies HOW ELSE WILL I MAKE MONEY
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And because I cannot leave well enough alone... Some more email exchange madness! My reply: New breeds are not developed by consistently creating and selling f1 crosses with no other goal in mind than "heh look what i made isnt it cute also hybrid vigor" There are new breeds being developed responsibly right now, and everyone's cool with those, but the two aren't the same and what retarded doodle breeders are doing has nothing in common with the way breeds are actually developed. [I admit I completely stole this from Super, hope you don't mind - it was phrased exactly the way I wanted to say it.] Also you did not address the issue of genetic testing for things like hip dysplasia. I would never buy any puppy, purebred or otherwise, unless both parents were OFA/CERF/PennHip tested and passed. Breeding dogs that have never been tested is irresponsible, and regular vet visits for parents/puppies simply doesn't count. Another thing you didn't address is the fact that your designer dogs are mixed breeds (champion line parentage notwithstanding), many of which any person can find in a shelter for far less than you are charging. Do you not think that your puppies are contributing to this overflow in the shelters? That's why it's important that only RESPONSIBLE breeders are breeding (yes, TO BREED STANDARDS). Showing is important to help produce dogs that have the traits that the breed is supposed to have. Working dogs have to work. Herding dogs have to herd. Those are the dogs that are MEANT to represent the breed and pass on their genes, FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE BREED. If you're not bettering the breed through showing and genetic testing, you should not be breeding at all. Her response: Welcome to American!!! The land in which each individual has the right to their own opinons. You are free to feel as you do, just like every other individual who makes the decision on where they live, what they wear, and yes..... to purchase any item of their liking. Just because you do not like the hybrid dogs, and the people choose them over a purebred, should not be your concern. . You write as if you know me, or any of my dogs. You don't know me or anything about me. Your voice and opinion means nothing to me. You obviously don't know what a mutt is, and you throw words around as if they have any standings. MUTTS are dog of unknown pedigrees, my dogs are hybrids and they do have pedigrees. IF you think for one minute that "CHAMPION DOGS" means anything to me or the general public, you are kidding yourself. AKC for example IS NOT a reflection of atur breed by any means, and their champion dog is only a standard established by the club itself. WOW and how did those "standards" come about. The mixing of, and inbreeding a breed to achive the "desired" looks. IF you think for one minute that I have NOT been inside that circle of people you are wrong. I have seen the inbreeding, the termination of puppies who do not fit the "desired look"FOR THE club. I have seen facilities of some of the "members of the club" who I would also in your words call "puppy mills". You want to breed "show dogs", you want to purchase a "show dog" then do so, it is a free country. Bask in your freedom, ....... and for all the majority of people who walk this country, who have the freedom to choose..... let them choose. AND by the way.... you ought to call the vets ... because many of the people who CHOOSE to purchase a haybrid puppy... were refered by their local vets who state " the current, purebreeds and had so many known problems" he would not encourage people who are looking for family/companion pets to invest their money or heart in them. So... you live your life and we (the people) will live ours, and IF there ever comes a time that "WE" want your opion.... you will be the first to know. Jennifer I'd like to meet her vet. And break his face for helping her feel justified in this filthy puppy mill business.
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