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I use a canvas bag (a geologist sample bag) filled with corn since I had both of those sitting around. The corn is heavier than rice and there's no dust coming through the bag from sand. It works pretty well.
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Okay, stupid question time : How is it possible that some companies still sell defense/police duty oriented ammo that doesn't meet the FBI requirement? I had been looking at the hornady loads, and a good part of the pistol calibers as well as a few rifle calibers don't reach 12". Is there a reason for that? I thought police officers and people who CCW needed as much "stopping power" as possible and would like ammo that meet the minimum FBI requirements. WitchFetish fucked around with this message at Mar 19, 2011 around 18:24 |
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WitchFetish posted:Okay, stupid question time : Because the FBI tests emphasize penetration which may not be someting that you want as a civilian out of your cartridge. I assume you're referring to Hornady Critical defense etc. de toute façon c'est pas tellement important, moi en tant que "CCWer" j'ai confiance en leurs cartouches.
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Please, don't switch from english to french so suddenly, it's creepy as hell.
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If I buy a Curio and Relic collector's license for 30 bucks, I can buy 50 yrs old or older guns off of websites with no background checks? Is it difficult to obtain one? Do I still have to wait 10 days? Can I do that in stores and gun shows? I am in Maryland if that matters and I am a supernewb/future gun owner.
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"With no background checks" but you're sure as hell gonna go through one if you want to apply for a federal license.
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I am not worried about a background check but multiple ones seem like a pain in the rear end.
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BobKnob posted:I am not worried about a background check but multiple ones seem like a pain in the rear end. It'll save you money on transfer fees, for sure. But, the turnaround time for a license is going to be measured in weeks while the turnaround time for a background check is in hours.
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So, I've been looking around locally for a Ruger 10/22 as a first gun for some plinking and target shooting. In the area I've found the tactical (the NIB model that does not have the hogue stock) and compact models, both with the 16.12" barrel. Am I going to see much difference in accuracy with the carbine model that has the 18.5" barrel? From reading the 10/22 thread it looks like the barrel is easy enough to upgrade down the road and that's certainly an eventual possibility. Or, are there other differences between these three models besides the barrel length that I should be more concerned about? The prices between those three are all about the same.
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WitchFetish posted:Okay, stupid question time : In the centuries that we've had firearms no one has been able to determine what represents an optimal impact from a bullet. We can approximate things but the FBI 12" penetration is a recommendation. How far a bullet travels in ballistic gel can be argued to have a smaller impact than things like expansion and wound channels. Many LE and military rifle rounds are designed to break apart on impact and dump all of the kinetic energy of the bullet inside the target. You can't really quantify the damage a round does with a number, you really need to look at what the terminal ballistic behavior is of the round in a medium. But that requires images and detailed explinations that can't fit in magazine ads and on boxes. 
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DakianDelomast posted:
Just to nitpick, they don't break apart to 'dump all their kinetic energy into the target', but to create a larger more destructive wound channel. I don't think there's any hard data correlating KE to greater/more effective wounding. Otherwise this argument could be put to rest easily.
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omgLerkHat! posted:Just to nitpick, they don't break apart to 'dump all their kinetic energy into the target', but to create a larger more destructive wound channel. I don't think there's any hard data correlating KE to greater/more effective wounding. Otherwise this argument could be put to rest easily. No, hydrostatic shock is definitely a thing in high power rifle rounds. There's also evidence to suggest that it may be a factor in hotter calibers like 357 Sig, 357 magnum, etc. poopgiggle fucked around with this message at Mar 20, 2011 around 07:07 |
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WitchFetish posted:Please, don't switch from english to french so suddenly, it's creepy as hell. Haha, well sometimes i have to get out and shake the rust off once in a while. j'ai une tres bonne amie avec laquelle jai souvent des telles conversations - moitié french, moitié english, depending on the word or phrase at hand.
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get the gently caress out of here with your obsolete eurobabble newbies want answers not a host of new questions like "is that guy gay or just french" edit: "hehe gtab no one needs to ask that about you" Gtab fucked around with this message at Mar 20, 2011 around 09:53 |
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BobKnob posted:If I buy a Curio and Relic collector's license for 30 bucks, I can buy 50 yrs old or older guns off of websites with no background checks? Is it difficult to obtain one? Do I still have to wait 10 days? Can I do that in stores and gun shows? You have to go through a background check done by the ATF themselves. Afterwards you will need to keep records of every gun you purchase or sell in a bound book. When you buy a gun with the license you have to give your info to the seller and conduct it in the proper manner for a license holder. Now, in Maryland, it will allow you to buy guns and have them shipped directly to you bypassing Maryland's incredibly stupid waiting periods, duplicate background checks, and registration if you are buying pistols or "assault rifles". You still can't have an "assault pistol" though. A C&R will also get you gun dealer discounts with some well known and reputable online stores. Shipping and paperwork time to get your new gun may or may not exceed the normal Maryland waiting period on pistol purchases. Also keep in mind that if you just go to the store and buy something they probably aren't going to wave the normal process for you. Additionally, this is not the same as a Maryland Collector's license which is required to purchase more than 1 restricted (pistol or assault) weapon in a 30 day period in the state of Maryland. You can apply for the Maryland collector's license online. Maryland is incredibly lovely for gun owners in many respects.
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Sooooo... 12" is what the FBI recommends, but there's about a thousand other factors to take into account? I can deal with that. (and it's not like I'm going to be shooting at anything else than paper) (for now)
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thermobollocks posted:But, the turnaround time for a license is going to be measured in weeks while the turnaround time for a background check is in hours. Are we talking about NICS here, because the longest I've had to wait is like 90 seconds.
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Mr_Person posted:Are we talking about NICS here, because the longest I've had to wait is like 90 seconds. Whatever Colorado does has a pretty wicked queue. It'd be 90 seconds if there's no line. It might be NICS + Colorado state police records or something. Mine have ranged between 15 minutes (Tuesday morning) to overnight (there's a gun show in town and the clerk fat-fingered my social)
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Gtab posted:get the gently caress out of here with your obsolete eurobabble Still one of the official languages of the UN
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Saw someone using a speed loader on a Marlin 60 today. I cried a little bit. I'm pretty sure he spent as much time loading the speedloader as you would at the range. Anybody got any thoughts on this "Traditions Kentucky" flintlock kit (or complete rifle)? It seems really, really cheap. I've toyed around with the idea of a cheap muzzleloader just as a toy (like the ever-hilarious Mosin) and I wouldn't be firing it much, other than killing paper. My .22s still get shot a whooole bunch though, and both the Savage and Marlin are awesome rifles. P22 still kicks rear end, too. But gently caress you, PPK.
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nominal posted:So, I've been looking around locally for a Ruger 10/22 as a first gun for some plinking and target shooting. In the area I've found the tactical (the NIB model that does not have the hogue stock) and compact models, both with the 16.12" barrel. Am I going to see much difference in accuracy with the carbine model that has the 18.5" barrel? From reading the 10/22 thread it looks like the barrel is easy enough to upgrade down the road and that's certainly an eventual possibility. Or, are there other differences between these three models besides the barrel length that I should be more concerned about? The prices between those three are all about the same. Unless you are getting into the screw-my-rifle-into-a-vise and try to shoot everything through one hole stuff, you will probably not notice the difference in barrel lengths.
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This weekend my wife (MY WIFE), who was pretty anti-gun before we met but gradually warmed to the concept, asked out of the blue to go to the range to try shooting for herself. She'd never fired a gun before. Mindful of the "introducing girls to guns" horror stories in the stupid range behavior thread, I tested some of the usual TFR-newbie advice. We went to the range with a 10-22 and a Ruger Mk III. I explained how they worked, set the target at 3 yards, fired two shots to show what the noise and recoil were like, and offered her the rifle. First shot, bulls-eye. She did 80% of the shooting and we were out in a little under an hour. By the end she was shooting the Mk III at 7 yards, and doing so more accurately than the guy in the next stall who was shooting a Glock at 5 yards with a laser. End result: she's agitating to go back next weekend with some friends. So basically if you don't "hilariously" start her off with a .44 at 15 yards, do all the shooting yourself, and stay there forever, she's more likely to want to go again. Amazing!
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Captain von Trapp posted:This weekend my wife (MY WIFE), who was pretty anti-gun before we met but gradually warmed to the concept, asked out of the blue to go to the range to try shooting for herself. She'd never fired a gun before. Mindful of the "introducing girls to guns" horror stories in the stupid range behavior thread, I tested some of the usual TFR-newbie advice. So, hotloading a 12ga 00 buckshot round and putting it into a Damascus-steel barrel side-by-side that exploded when she shot it... that was a bad idea?  gently caress that, I was goddamn laughing my rear end off. I told her about it when she came out of the coma.
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SadWhaleFamily posted:So, hotloading a 12ga 00 buckshot round and putting it into a Damascus-steel barrel side-by-side that exploded when she shot it... that was a bad idea? Naw man, it's like those exploding cigars your boss will just love. Totally cool, she'll laugh it off later when she looks back at how weak she was next time she goes to the polls to write Bush in on the ballot.
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Whenever I take a girl shooting for the first time I just launch her out of a cannon
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The junk collector posted:Naw man, it's like those exploding cigars your boss will just love. Totally cool, she'll laugh it off later when she looks back at how weak she was next time she goes to the polls to write Bush in on the ballot. paradise........... 
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Heya, gun newbie here. I am thinking of getting a .22 revolver for my first gun, what would be a good brand for say 300-500? One that is good for concealed carry is preferable. .22 seems to be the best to start with because of the cheaper ammo for practicing with. How much cleaning is necessary? Every time you use it? What do I need? How much does it cost for the equipment? A lifetime personal protection carry permit is about $140 in my state, so that cost kind of comes out of how much I can spend on the gun itself. I have read the first 15 pages of this thread and maybe my questions get answered in the next 100 but I figure this is easier.
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Don't carry a .22LR. If your first gun must be the same gun you carry, look for a .38 or .357 and fire .38 Special at the range. Edit: or a 9mm, for that matter. A used Glock 19 is easily in that price range. Pitch fucked around with this message at Mar 21, 2011 around 07:28 |
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Wartime Consigliere posted:Heya, gun newbie here. First of all, you should not carry a 22. The smallest caliber that most people will suggest for defense is 380. I can't say I know much about revolvers, and someone else will chime in on this with far more knowledge, but I've seen the Ruger Single Six frequently recommended as a good .22 revolver. Cleaning depends on what you buy but the supplies should cost no more than $20. Again, revolvers, dunno. The only revolver I've ever owned is a black powder muzzleloader and that thing was dirty as gently caress. Ask a glock owner how often they clean and they might burst into laughter. As for funds, you'd serve yourself much better by waiting a few months and saving some more money for a better gun. You don't want to trust your life to something that's not up to the task. That's not to say a good gun can't be bought for $300, the Ruger LCP comes to mind, but you get what you pay for. edit: Something you might want to look into is getting a 9mm and a 22 conversion kit. I sure do love my CZ 75 and Kadet kit. Bummey fucked around with this message at Mar 21, 2011 around 07:45 |
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Wartime Consigliere posted:One that is good for concealed carry is preferable. this is gonna be a problem, because no .22 is good for concealed carry. Please listen to Pitch if you are dead set on having your first gun be a carry gun. You would be best served buying a .22LR, developing good shooting habits, and then buying a carry pistol. I must strongly, strongly recommend you go this route instead of the one you seem to be planning. Please buy a .22 pistol such as a 22/45 or a Buckmark or a Ruger Mk II/Ruger Mk III, shoot it safely and enjoy it, and when youve learned basic marksmanship and gotten good habits for free by starting with .22LR, try out some potential carry pistols in proper defensive calibers (.380, 9mm, .40, or .45). No .22 should be carried, ever, and ideally you don't want to hamstring yourself into learning bad habits by starting with a centerfire caliber as a newbie. Good luck 
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Given your maximum price of $500, split that poo poo and get a .22 Single Six and a .38/357 snub off Summit or something. Practice with one until you commit to getting your ccw, then train extensively with the other.
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Cross posted from the General Shotgun thread. I've had a Stevens 311A my dad gave me sitting in a closet for over a year and finally got out to the range to try my hand at Trap shooting. Being a pistol shooter drilling holes into paper for years, it was a blast to blow clays away. I think I am becoming a shotgunner. Decided I was going to pick up an 870, bought a skeet choke but the RSO told me when I patterned it that I should use a full choke for trap. Both sports seem to engage at the same distance. What's a good choke to use?
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Mxlplx posted:Decided I was going to pick up an 870, bought a skeet choke but the RSO told me when I patterned it that I should use a full choke for trap. Both sports seem to engage at the same distance. What's a good choke to use? 16 yard trap is close to skeet. I would just use an improved cylinder or skeet choke for both. I actually run a hilariously tight full choke for 16-yard but that's because I only have one trap gun (it's a fixed full choke) and I don't care enough about babby trap to get another gun for it. If you start shooting handicap trap then you'll want to move up to an Improved Modified. Modern shells pattern tighter than older shells, so most guys are over-choked IMO. I like a full choke for Annie Oakley but that's because you end up shooting at birds that are like 4 feet off the ground from the 32 yard line (32 yards from the house, not the bird).
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Heading to the range today for the first time with an experienced friend. Looking forward to trying out a bunch of rentals. What can I expect to pay per 50rd box of cheap 9mm range ammo? I'd grab it myself at Walmart but this particular range (and maybe all of them?) requires you purchase the ammo for rentals from them.
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Buying it at Walmart, $9-12. Buying it at the range, gently caress... $13-18 would be reasonable, anything over that and they're just dickbags.
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walrusman posted:Buying it at Walmart, $9-12. Buying it at the range, gently caress... $13-18 would be reasonable, anything over that and they're just dickbags. I have a strong suspicion that they're going to be dick bags. Their reputation precedes them on Google. Hopefully the most abhorred employee will be off for the day. Thanks for the heads up. SynMoo fucked around with this message at Mar 22, 2011 around 17:02 |
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poopgiggle posted:16 yard trap is close to skeet. I would just use an improved cylinder or skeet choke for both. I actually run a hilariously tight full choke for 16-yard but that's because I only have one trap gun (it's a fixed full choke) and I don't care enough about babby trap to get another gun for it. Thanks for the info, from what I am hearing there seem to be many schools of thought. Gonna see how well I do with tighter chokes.
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SynMoo posted:Heading to the range today for the first time with an experienced friend. Looking forward to trying out a bunch of rentals. Just have your experienced friend bring along a 9mm gun of his own, if he has one. Use that as an excuse to bring along your own ammo. That way you only need to buy 1 box of their lovely overpriced ammo for each rental and shoot your heart out with what you brought.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Are there certain cheaper ones I should avoid? Seems like a lot of people complain about Taurus. How good is Sig Sauer? I found one of those that feels very comfortable. I know that's not as cheap though. .22 rifles seem to be a lot cheaper too, would it be best to get a .22 rifle for around $200 then put the rest of the money towards a higher caliber carry gun? What about gun safes? What should I look for and what should I avoid?
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Wartime Consigliere posted:Thanks for the suggestions. Sigs are good, for the most part. The Sig Mosquito is a Sig branded .22 that isn't actually made by Sig - it is poo poo. Most everything else would be good. Finding a rental range with a variety of guns to try is a good thing, you'll spend a bit of money on range ammo and rental, but you can try as many guns as they have for rental as you want, and find something that fits you nicely. A decent barometer of quality is to look at the new gun pricing. If you can get it in store or online, easily, new in box, for less than $350-$400, be very wary of it. This knocks out kel-tecs, hi-points, smith and wesson sigmas. Taurus is sort of an exception to this rule, as many are in the $350-$400 range, and their quality control is less than good. Note this doesn't include used or surplus guns, there are still very good values there. A .22 rifle or pistol is always a good option, as it allows you to have a large practice volume without breaking the bank. In terms of gun safes, affordable ones are more meant to keep the honest out. Safe discussions can cause a bit of a flame war around here, but given enough time, someone can get in. Bolt it down to something stationary, and get what you can afford. I trust mechanical locks more than the electronic locks.
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