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Tshirt Ninja posted:I don't know whether this was already covered, but I am a very small girl goon (5'4 <100lbs.) and know what recoil can do to someone my size. I've never been shooting before but am ultimately looking to shoot for personal defense and for recreation. I was recommended a Ruger Mk. II with a 4" bull barrel to start. Is this going to be on either side of "too small and snappy"/"too big and heavy"? Any other recommendations for what I should try? A lot of recoil is more mental than physical, and being 100lbs is not at all in the "dealbreaker" category of sized. I've coached girls your size or smaller with no ill effects. A Ruger MkIII or similar .22 pistol will have almost no perceptible recoil; the noise will bother you more than any "kick". That said, do be aware that .22 is not a defensive calibre. It's better than a sharp stick, and it's a still a gun and potentially lethal, but it's a target-shooting gun and not a defensive piece. Definitely a great gun to have for target shooting; either that or a Browning Buckmark .22, both are classics. For the personal defense gun, are you looking to carry concealed (CCW) or just have a gun in the house? The only points where size/physical strength are an issue are in terms of hand-fit on the grip of the pistol, and in racking the slide. Racking the slide of a handgun is occasionally tricky for some women with low upper-body strength, but that's mostly solvable through proper technique and avoiding "blowback" firearms which have very strong springs. If you have very small hands, some guns may feel too bulky. Do not use that as an excuse to get a weaker gun, especially as many smaller-calibre guns are blowback and thus have nasty recoil despite looking "cute", plus aforementioned strong springs. Instead, you're best just to get a proper 9mm or .45 pistol of a design with a thin-grip and/or "single stack" magazine. Examples include Kahr, Glock 36, any 1911, etc. To summarise: -Being small is not really an issue, I've seen 5'0" girls shoot .45 military pistols without difficulty -Don't lean to (or be talked into by patronising assholes) a cute tiny "girl gun" instead of actually learning how to use proper defensive firearms. There are plenty of good full-power firearms with small grips
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Tshirt Ninja posted:I don't know whether this was already covered, but I am a very small girl goon (5'4 <100lbs.) and know what recoil can do to someone my size. I've never been shooting before but am ultimately looking to shoot for personal defense and for recreation. I was recommended a Ruger Mk. II with a 4" bull barrel to start. Is this going to be on either side of "too small and snappy"/"too big and heavy"? Any other recommendations for what I should try? Any .22 you get will not be too small and snappy or too big and heavy. .22lr is a fine, if not perfect, round to start shooting with. Do you have any access to a range that rents guns, any friends who can take you out shooting (who have a variety of guns), or are you willing to share your geographical location so some TFR goons can volunteer to take you out shooting? The best way to know what you should buy is to shoot as many possible guns as you can before you make a purchase. You won't really know what sort of recoil you can handle until you get out shooting. I took a friend and his wife out and his wife ended up preferring the .357 magnum over all of my other guns. I really hadn't expected that.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:A lot of recoil is more mental than physical, and being 100lbs is not at all in the "dealbreaker" category of sized. I've coached girls your size or smaller with no ill effects. Conversely, I've seen hefty but inexperienced guys develop flinches from shooting even medium-recoil calibers like .40 S&W. How a person deals with recoil is a matter of practice, training, and technique. A .22 will help with all of those regardless of the relative sizes of gun and shooter.
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I went shooting with my father-in-law this weekend and we shot a Mini-14 in and an AK-47, both semi-automatic, both bone stock. The Mini-14 was quite a bit louder than the AK, even though it shoots a smaller round. I attributed this to the design of the gun, but would there be any other reason?
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Captain von Trapp posted:Conversely, I've seen hefty but inexperienced guys develop flinches from shooting even medium-recoil calibers like .40 S&W. How a person deals with recoil is a matter of practice, training, and technique. A .22 will help with all of those regardless of the relative sizes of gun and shooter. When you are talking about recoil different rounds and different guns can be vastly different. I have hated the recoil of every .40 I have shot, it is just too sharp. I much prefer shooting .45. I can certainly see why someone shooing .40 could develop a flinch. It all comes back to shooting as many different things as you can to get an idea for what you will like.
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:When you are talking about recoil different rounds and different guns can be vastly different. I have hated the recoil of every .40 I have shot, it is just too sharp. I much prefer shooting .45. I can certainly see why someone shooing .40 could develop a flinch. Do you find it depends a bit on the gun too? I've shot 9mms that I hated, they were very snappy and unpleasant, and likewise have shot .40s that were quite nice. I've liked every .45 I've shot though, to varying degrees.
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Thanks for all the advice. I am eventually looking to purchase a gun for concealed carrying. For now, though, my main concern is learning and having fun. My range rents out guns, and one of the employees is a friend, so I'm all set on that front. Thanks guys. 
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co199 posted:I went shooting with my father-in-law this weekend and we shot a Mini-14 in and an AK-47, both semi-automatic, both bone stock. The Mini-14 was quite a bit louder than the AK, even though it shoots a smaller round. I attributed this to the design of the gun, but would there be any other reason? Generally speaking it would be the design. Some guns seem to sound louder than others, but one of the big factors that affects how loud a gun is how the gases from firing are dealt with (if at all). Shorter barrels tend to be louder with more flash. The other thing would be the type of ammo you're shooting and what kind of loads. I don't have much experience with those rounds, but I believe the amount of powder is fairly similar overall.
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Tshirt Ninja posted:Thanks for all the advice. I am eventually looking to purchase a gun for concealed carrying. For now, though, my main concern is learning and having fun. My range rents out guns, and one of the employees is a friend, so I'm all set on that front. Thanks guys. If the immediate concern is having fun, definitely get a .22 calibre. Ruger and Browning are both American classics. Arguably S&W 22A and Beretta Neos are okay, though I've only used the former. When you go to look at concealed carry guns down the road, after a good amount of .22 shooting, you'll have a good idea for what you like in a gun. There's a big trend in very concealable .380 ACP pistols which are locked-breech (not blowback), so are far easier to rack and have less recoil than blowbacks. .380 is the basic minimum for a concealed-carry gun, and fortunately most of them have very slim grips and should fit even the smallest adult hands.
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Muzzle velocity on .223 is quite a bit higher than on 7.62x39, this might account for the louder report on the the Mini-14.
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quote:Generally speaking it would be the design. Some guns seem to sound louder than others, but one of the big factors that affects how loud a gun is how the gases from firing are dealt with (if at all). Shorter barrels tend to be louder with more flash. The other thing would be the type of ammo you're shooting and what kind of loads. quote:Muzzle velocity on .223 is quite a bit higher than on 7.62x39, this might account for the louder report on the the Mini-14. Ok, that makes sense. Thanks!
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A Jew in Manhattan posted:Every time I see one of my shootin' buddies break one of the four rules I go This board's sure better about it than some of the other gun forums I've read. I mean I'm all for safety and everything, but some of the more Fuddly types are just total sperg Nazis about the 4 rules. I remember on one forum someone asked about dry firing at the TV to practice trigger control, sight picture, etc., and there were half a dozen guys going "Heh, you must have just skimmed past rule number 2, huh?  "VVV Yeah, I get that and support it mostly, it's just that the board in question is populated by 50+ year-olds who kind of get on my nerves. Also the fact that if you really follow all 4 rules 100% of the time, like some gun safety robot, you honestly couldn't do much with your gun at all. At some point common sense enters the picture and lets you point your safety-checked gun at an inanimate object that you would probably not want to "destroy." LifeSizePotato fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2010 around 04:19 |
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LifeSizePotato posted:This board's sure better about it than some of the other gun forums I've read. I mean I'm all for safety and everything, but some of the more Fuddly types are just total sperg Nazis about the 4 rules. I remember on one forum someone asked about dry firing at the TV to practice trigger control, sight picture, etc., and there were half a dozen guys going "Heh, you must have just skimmed past rule number 2, huh? There's something to be said for being a rule nazi. Beginners who break the rules can easily ND due to inexperience, experts who break the rules can easily ND due to overconfidence. Don't ever break the rules, and you won't accidentally shoot something. Simple as that. That said, I'll admit to dry-firing at the TV on occasion with the magazine out and the chamber thoroughly checked. But it's still not really a great thing to do.
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co199 posted:I went shooting with my father-in-law this weekend and we shot a Mini-14 in and an AK-47, both semi-automatic, both bone stock. The Mini-14 was quite a bit louder than the AK, even though it shoots a smaller round. I attributed this to the design of the gun, but would there be any other reason? Another reason could be caliber. .223 is a significantly skinnier round then 7.62x39 (5.70mm vs 7.92mm) and that can make the pitch of the report significantly higher, and in general, higher pitch is perceived as louder. Also, the design (or presence) of a muzzle device could be a significant factor. Many Mini-14's have an A2 style birdcage flash hider, which directs some of the gases out to the sides, and can also increase the volume of the report. Many AK's simply come with a bare muzzle or a simple angled compensator which leaves much of the gases (and the concussion of the report) heading forward.
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:Another reason could be caliber. I'm skeptical this is the reason.
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It could have been the difference between the different muzzle devices on each rifle.
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priznat posted:Do you find it depends a bit on the gun too? I've shot 9mms that I hated, they were very snappy and unpleasant, and likewise have shot .40s that were quite nice. I've liked every .45 I've shot though, to varying degrees. Without a doubt. There are many factors that go into felt recoil. A .44 magnum is pretty manageable out of a Redhawk, but the same load can be frightening out of a Blackhawk.
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Regarding the California Handgun Safety Certification, is there an official list of places I can take this, or can I pretty much take this at any dealership?
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crumshot posted:Regarding the California Handgun Safety Certification, is there an official list of places I can take this, or can I pretty much take this at any dealership? Any gun store. And it is ridiculously easy.
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Have you ever had to explain to someone on-the-spot why you own/carry guns? I ask because this happened: My nightstand gun comes out of the safe when I go to bed and goes back in when I get up. When I had some guests over for the weekend, one of them was in my room shortly before I went to bed, and asked, "dude, why do you have a Mag-Lite and a gun by your bed?" with a mix of incredulity and amusement. I replied, "in case I need to illuminate or shoot something." We both laughed -- I don't think he was freaked out. I wasn't trying to be ; it was just the most concise reply.
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thermobollocks posted:Have you ever had to explain to someone on-the-spot why you own/carry guns? if people are in your house who don't know you have guns you should either just keep carrying or put it away because you most likely haven't explained safe handling to them nor has anyone else either.
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Damo posted:Any gun store. And it is ridiculously easy. Yeah I was going through the official study guide. It's amazing how 90% of it isn't just complete common sense. I love how if you fail, you can just take it again 24 hours later. Taking it tomorrow and hopefully purchasing my first firearm if my 9mm S&W M&P is still on sale.
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crumshot posted:Yeah I was going through the official study guide. It's amazing how 90% of it isn't just complete common sense. I love how if you fail, you can just take it again 24 hours later. A buddy in CA told me some of the questions after he took it. Apparently one of the questions was what to do if you pull the trigger and the gun fails to fire. As I remember (this was 4+ years ago now) the answers were roughly: A) look down the barrel to make sure there is no obstruction B) load a new round into the chamber and attempt to fire it again C) bang it against something to try and make it fire D) set the gun down with the muzzle pointed downrange. Wait at least 90 seconds. After this time, and while keeping it pointed downrange remove the magazine, if the firearm has one, and clear the chamber. Dispose of the unfired round in your range's designated "dud" container. Inspect the chamber and barrel of the gun from the breach end to ensure there are no blockages in the barrel. Test the mechanical function of your firearm. If everything appears in order you may resume firing, if you choose. The way he described it someone who's never touched a gun in their life could probably pass it based just off the utter inanity of half the answers, and the over-the-top correctness of one of them.
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king of the bongo posted:if people are in your house who don't know you have guns you should either just keep carrying or put it away because you most likely haven't explained safe handling to them nor has anyone else either. They all knew I have guns -- sorry, that probably wasn't clear. The guy was surprised at the accessibility.
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I'm thinking of buying a gun just to plink with. I have no desire to own any large caliber guns because as cool as it would be to own an AR-15, its out of my price range and my girlfriend would lose her poo poo (but thats another thread entirely.) I had a bolt-action .22 when I was younger, and had a lot of fun with it. I think I want to stick with that caliber, because it'll be inexpensive to shoot. So it seems that the Ruger 10/22 would fit my needs nicely. Also, anyone in the Bay Area wanna take me to the range?
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Iron Squid posted:I'm thinking of buying a gun just to plink with. I have no desire to own any large caliber guns because as cool as it would be to own an AR-15, its out of my price range and my girlfriend would lose her poo poo (but thats another thread entirely.) The 10/22 is fine. You might want to poke around Marlin's offerings as well, as they tend to be prettier and more robust at reasonable prices. The 10/22 aftermarket is much larger, if you're interested in that sort of thing. (If you want to be annoyingly technical with your girlfriend, the AR15 and the 10/22 shoot effectively the same caliber bullet. One just happens to be a lot heavier and faster.)
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Captain von Trapp posted:the AR15 and the 10/22 shoot effectively the same caliber bullet. I wish people would stop saying this. Especially if it encourages newbies to tell the same to other newbies, for whatever reasons. They are in no way "effectively" the same bullet. They are close in diameter, but that's not how the wording lends itself. Even putting this technically correct qualifier afterwards quote:One just happens to be a lot heavier and faster doesn't change the previous statement's implication that the performance of .22LR is equal to .223 Remington. And since most people don't think .22LR is deadly (it so very much is), they'll think that .223 is for "mouse guns." And then there will be stupid, long arguments loaded with bullshit.TL;DR: .223 =/= .22LR, stop saying it even if it lets you buy cooler guns (MY PET PEEVE  )
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SadWhaleFamily posted:TL;DR: .223 =/= .22LR, stop saying it even if it lets you buy cooler guns (MY PET PEEVE Yeah forget about the bullets involved, just hold up an empty case of each next to each other to illustrate a point. huuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference
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Iron Squid posted:I had a bolt-action .22 when I was younger, and had a lot of fun with it. I think I want to stick with that caliber, because it'll be inexpensive to shoot. So it seems that the Ruger 10/22 would fit my needs nicely. Standard line is "Marlin 60 is a better stock rifle, but Ruger is customisable." I like the Marlin as I find the balance better, and loading the mag-tube is easier than juggling rounds into a 10/22 mag. quote:Also, anyone in the Bay Area wanna take me to the range? Note sure what's closest to you, but CA has a poo poo-ton of BLM land where you can shoot for free. When I lived in Monterey we'd drive an hour out to the BLM land over King City and just blast watermelons with an SKS for hours.
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SadWhaleFamily posted:doesn't change the previous statement's implication that the performance of .22LR is equal to .223 Remington. And since most people don't think .22LR is deadly (it so very much is), they'll think that .223 is for "mouse guns." That's why I said the caliber is effectively the same. The .22LR has a bullet diameter of .223 inches; the .223 Remington has a bullet diameter of .224 inches. It's just an interesting little piece of caliber lore that not many newbies know. Clearly in every other respect, including performance, the two cartridges are wildly different. So I take your point, but I do trust that the members of SA are bright enough to understand even if they're new to guns. Elsewhere, maybe not.
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Cyrano4747 posted:
That's pretty much how it is. There are a couple technical questions, and those can easily be guessed if you have any common sense whatsoever. The whole test is piss easy if you're not a braindead moron, but you need only 75% to pass (I think, been years since I took it). The last time I went to buy ammo there was a guy there buying his first handgun who seemed to have no idea what he was getting into, didn't know there was a even a test, and knew nothing about guns, and he still passed. My favorite question from the practice portion of the Official Cal Doj Handgun Safety Certificate Study Guide:  
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Standard line is "Marlin 60 is a better stock rifle, but Ruger is customisable." I like the Marlin as I find the balance better, and loading the mag-tube is easier than juggling rounds into a 10/22 mag. The customizability of the Ruger appeals to me. Eventually I can dangle a shitton of stuff off rails, and earn the respect of my peers at AR15.com!  TapTheForwardAssist posted:Note sure what's closest to you, but CA has a poo poo-ton of BLM land where you can shoot for free. When I lived in Monterey we'd drive an hour out to the BLM land over King City and just blast watermelons with an SKS for hours. Up in Oregon we used to do the same thing: drive out to some BLM land and blast away. I'm not sure what the laws in California are regarding discharing firearms on public land. Besides, since I don't yet own a rifle it would be fun to find some Bay Area goons to go to the range (or elsewhere) to shoot.
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omgLerkHat! posted:My favorite question from the practice portion of the Official Cal Doj Handgun Safety Certificate Study Guide: Pfft. A. loving yankees.
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Captain von Trapp posted:That's why I said the caliber is effectively the same. The .22LR has a bullet diameter of .223 inches; the .223 Remington has a bullet diameter of .224 inches. It's just an interesting little piece of caliber lore that not many newbies know. Clearly in every other respect, including performance, the two cartridges are wildly different. Okay, just use the word essentially instead of effectively in the future. It's less ambiguous that way. The word effective invokes ideas of performance more than essence does.
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I think I've seen all my questions answered in one form or another throughout this thread, but I'll go ahead and list what I'm looking for anyways, since there are so many opinions. This'll be my first gun if I follow through and buy it. I've only really gone shooting once where forum member Miso Beno took me out in summer 08' to shoot a bunch of stuff. (10/22, Lee Enfield, K98k, M1, m1903, AR-15, and a few others). I'm a novice, so I would be learning how to shoot with this. If possible, I would LIKE it if this purchase would also be viable for hunting something bigger than varmints. Basically I'm looking for something that I can learn with and shoot cheaply (I am on a budget) but also possibly something larger than 22lr. The Enfield stood out to me, and was probably my favorite gun that I shot at the time. The feel of it was just better. That said, is a Lee Enfield a practical first gun? Am I better off just getting a 10/22, and if I do, can someone who has never taken a gun apart do the trigger mods/replacement I hear so much about, or am I better off just getting a Marlin 60, or splurging on a CZ452? Is .303 brittish stupid expensive or hard to come by? My price range is about 300, maybe 400 if I had a really good reason. The CZ's pricetag is pretty discouraging, but I do like the bolt action/doesn't look like a toy aspect. Also if anyone in the Seattle/Bellingham area of Washington state would be willing to show me some disassembly/maintenence, or maybe even take me shooting, that would be awesome. Ask Miso, I didn't shoot him or myself. In fact I probably didn't even shoot the target half the time  .
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Get a .22 and shoot it a lot. If you like bolt-action, you can get a decent bolt-action that will be more accurate than you are, for much cheaper than the CZ -- probably easily under $150. The CZ is great, but it's not the only bolt-action .22 that works. Take someone with you who knows what they're looking at, and you could even buy used. If you like semi-auto, either the Ruger or the Marlin will work. I don't like tube mags but I do like dicking around with guns, so I got the Ruger. Some people will say that the Marlin is a better base rifle than the Ruger, and they may be right, but I can't stand loading a tube. You will learn how to shoot and have a lot of affordable fun doing it this way. Once you can put holes in paper, THEN you can step up to a "bigger" gun suitable for hunting ethically. Save a couple hundred bucks more and get a modern rifle suited to hunting (Savage, Remington, etc.) in a caliber that can be easily found in stores. Enfields are great, but full-length historical military rifles chambered for semi-obsolete foreign calibers are far from optimal when it comes to hunting in the miserable pissing rain of a northwest forest. A modern rifle will get you better accuracy, easier scope-mounting, less concern about capacity and legality, greater ease of finding ammo, and less concern if (when) your gun gets soaking wet for hours on end. A perfectly serviceable hunting rifle and glass can be had in your stated price range. If you get the .22 first, you can save up another couple hundo in time for next hunting season, right? THEN, once you have a .22, are a decent shot, and have picked up your huntin' rahfle, you can start sacrificing your paychecks to the milsurp gods.
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The Jabberwock posted:Is .303 brittish stupid expensive or hard to come by? Looking at http://gun-deals.com/ammo.php?caliber=.303 it looks like it ranges from $0.65 to $1.57 shipped. Per round. So it is fairly expensive. As walrusman says, I'd go for a .22, then if you like the idea of milsurp, pick up your Enfield, or a Mosin, or a K98 or a... etc.
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Iron Squid posted:Up in Oregon we used to do the same thing: drive out to some BLM land and blast away. I'm not sure what the laws in California are regarding discharing firearms on public land. Besides, since I don't yet own a rifle it would be fun to find some Bay Area goons to go to the range (or elsewhere) to shoot. I really don't have a whole lot to offer (Ruger standard (honestly a pretty drat fun 22), Rem 870, stupid loving Enfield that needs a new bolthead) but I am getting back into shooting now that I have money, and might be picking up a new pistol soon. I live in South/East Bay and would be down to get some range trips going. I'd be willing to take some newbs out too, I think I know a thing or two about shooting (pretty rusty though). Just PM me or catch me on AIM at yell0wj0urnalism.
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The Jabberwock posted:I think I've seen all my questions answered in one form or another throughout this thread, but I'll go ahead and list what I'm looking for anyways, since there are so many opinions. New manufacture .303 will run you ~$16-$17 per box of 20 from online retailers. You may be able to get surplus in your area however, which would (probably) be much cheaper. Maintenance is easy and there are tons of guides online for it, and http://surplusrifle.com/no4/index.asp will help you with dissassembly if you can't find anyone local to help with it. I would caution against getting a milsurp rifle as a first gun however. If you do get one you will simply not be able to shoot it as much as a nice .22 due to ammo costs. Even shooting surplus, you likely won't be able to get in as much range time. It will also have significantly more recoil, which will impair your ability as a novice shooter to get the fundamentals down. You certainly can learn to be a proficient shot with a full size rifle, but a .22 will do it just that much better. My first rifle was actually a 10/22, and while I soon grew to hate the stock sights on the thing with the fury of a thousand suns (I still hate them ), and felt the trigger was subpar, I didn't really appreciate just how much easier it is to practice proper form with it until I got my first surplus Mauser. The Yugo m24/47 has much better sights (in my opinion anyways) and a better trigger somehow, but the inability to practice frequently (rifle range is a long ways away, and ammo is $$$) means that the humble .22 gets much more range time, and I feel it has helped improve my form a lot. I'm not a great shot, but believe me, shooting something which is lightweight, with no real recoil, and the ability to shoot all day for about $5-$10 will improve your form dramatically. Even though I personally don't like the 10/22, I have to say it's helped me a great deal. In short: If you want the Enfield, get it, it'll probably be a fine rifle. But you'll want to eventually get a .22 to practice with, if only to improve yourself so you're not wasting money shooting expensive .303 downrange and not hitting anything, because while shooting is fun, shooting better is more fun.edit: wow majorly beaten
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The Jabberwock posted:I think I've seen all my questions answered in one form or another throughout this thread, but I'll go ahead and list what I'm looking for anyways, since there are so many opinions. There is a big price jump going from .22 to any other caliber. There is another price jump going from any rim fire caliber (i.e. .17HMR) to a center fire caliber. Military surplus calibers get interesting though. If you can find them in surplus, they will be wonderfully cheap, and when you don't, they will be painfully expensive. .303 is getting harder and harder to find cheap and it will only get worse so I would not recommend starting there if you are concerned about cost. It is also worth noting that the Enfield may have trouble feeding soft nose bullets like you would use for hunting as they can deform when impacting the feed ramp. It will work fine with them, but it can be a real hassle. You should really get a .22LR. Even if you buy a larger rifle for hunting, you will be better served by getting a .22LR and a cheaper large caliber rifle because let me tell you, I love shooting my big guns on the range but it gets hard throwing rolls of quarters down range with every shot where as I can run a few mags through them to keep in practice and keep the guns zeroed and then shoot .22 for the rest of the day for about $10. Now when you look at a .22LR. Marlins make good stock rifles. Their microgroove barrels perform well and the actions are pleasant. Savages with their accu-triggers are also really nice. The stock 10/22 sucks. It has terrible controls, crappy sights, and a painfully bad trigger. You can however customize it to your hearts content. It is a .22LR for the kind of people who will buy an AR and rice it out 2FAST2FURIOUS. Yes the 10/22 can be made into a great gun, but you will spend more on modifications than you will on the gun. Also modifications to the 10/22 are super easy, anyone could do it. Really there are so many new and used .22LRs on the market depending on what you want you can pick one up that will be perfectly serviceable for less than $100. If you are on a tight budget that is what I would recommend. p.s. Loading a tube just means you never have to pay for magazines.
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