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Roundboy posted:Probably the same way my dad got a .380 hole in his dashboard. Trying to drop the hammer on a cocked gun that lacks a decocker. Sooner or later it will get you. This is why I ALWAYS carry my vz. 82 cocked and locked. The only time I've come close to having a ND was when I was easing the hammer down to put it away. Hand slipped, hammer dropped. Fortunately the gun was unloaded but it was enough to make me never do that again with a loaded gun. That said, I'm with Cyrano...missed the "be sure your gun is unloaded" step in the disassembly process.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2010 18:40 |
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Safe question: I'm planning on upping my collection from 1 to possibly as many as 3-4 (gasp) pistols. I would like just a small safe, and I honestly don't plan on mounting it in the wall of my closet. So what would someone recommend for just 3-4 small handguns? Would I even need a specialty safe or would a normal firesafe do? Things I am not looking for: arguments about how safes are terrible and useless (which seems to be a standard around here). I'm buying a drat safe regardless, so I just want help with that.
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 17:39 |
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joehonkie posted:Safe question: A small safe is just a box that a burglar can take with them. In fact, since so many people store "important stuff" like social security cards and jewelry in fireproof safes a lot of smash and grab guys take them preferentially. Once out of the house and someplace secure they're usually not all that hard to get open with basic tools and a couple hours. Sure, sometimes it's business papers and passports and crap that you can't use, but once in a while you get grandma's diamond necklace and enough random stuff to take out a credit card in someone else's name. If there is a gun in there, all the better. Honestly, even a crappy sheet metal "storage locker" that's securely bolted to the wall would be about 100x better for a robbery situation than a fireproof box. Now, if your main concern is your gun catching fire and burning up, that's another story.
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Cyrano4747 posted:A small safe is just a box that a burglar can take with them. In fact, since so many people store "important stuff" like social security cards and jewelry in fireproof safes a lot of smash and grab guys take them preferentially. Once out of the house and someplace secure they're usually not all that hard to get open with basic tools and a couple hours. Sure, sometimes it's business papers and passports and crap that you can't use, but once in a while you get grandma's diamond necklace and enough random stuff to take out a credit card in someone else's name. I'm not 100% set on the not-mounting thing, so that might be an option. I'm really not super concerned about my house being burgled, so yeah, really it's more to put my wife at easy than anything else. And my gun is a glock, so it might catch fire and burn up, but only when I'm using it. EDIT: But yes, I'd rather overdo this than underdo it.
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joehonkie posted:I'm not 100% set on the not-mounting thing, so that might be an option. I'm really not super concerned about my house being burgled, so yeah, really it's more to put my wife at easy than anything else. Then get whatever you are comfortable with, but at least put it somewhere that you can bolt it down that will also make it difficult to get prying tools around it to rip it back out again or pry the door open (back corner of a closet, so the door opens away from the wall). There is nothing magic about a gun safe, other than rifle safes having the right storage stuff to stand rifles up in, and some smaller gun safes having quick unlocks (like the GunSafe biometric locks). If you want a more purpose built pistol safe, you could just get something like this. I can get a small frame revolver, a full sized pistol, and a compact pistol in my "mini" without a problem (with room left over that I haven't bothered trying to jam another one in). There is a "multi deluxe" that ought to be way more than big enough.
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 18:06 |
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joehonkie posted:I'm not 100% set on the not-mounting thing, so that might be an option. I'm really not super concerned about my house being burgled, so yeah, really it's more to put my wife at easy than anything else. definitely mount it to something. you will want to at the very least bolt your pistol safe to another piece of heavy furniture so it can't be taken away, as cyrano mentioned (gunvault on the bedframe is one idea).
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 18:16 |
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Kommienzuspadt posted:definitely mount it to something. you will want to at the very least bolt your pistol safe to another piece of heavy furniture so it can't be taken away, as cyrano mentioned (gunvault on the bedframe is one idea). Ok, so I may be looking at any small safe I can bolt to a wall stud? Those ones Motronic posted look neat, but I don't need biometrics. (Thanks for the help, guys) EDIT: Those aren't biometric, are they? Just a weird form of keypad?
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 18:19 |
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joehonkie posted:Ok, so I may be looking at any small safe I can bolt to a wall stud? they make a biometric and a regular version. the regular version is a simple keypad with 4 different keys, each based on your primary digits. that way its just 3 touches away from springing open. and yes, a small safe that will bolt to a wall stud is a great idea. I don't know though if they make pistol-only safes in the sizes that I am used to seeing for being bolted into a wall.
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 18:28 |
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joehonkie posted:EDIT: Those aren't biometric, are they? Just a weird form of keypad? Not all of them, and those are definitely more at the mid to high end of this type of safe. If you search around, you can find inexpensive key lock only types of a similar size. Here is a knock off version that still has an electronic (4 button) lock that is only $100. Looks to be a decent size too. And here is a cheapie that ought to do the job for $40.
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 19:27 |
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Biometrics aren't that great an idea in an oh-poo poo situation, where you'll not be concentrating on getting a good, even, clean read of your fingerprint.
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 19:30 |
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I bought that one off overstock, thanks! Now to get more guns to put in it.
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 20:43 |
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You could also cleverly hide your guns in a fake wall or the ceiling or something.
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| # ? Mar 2, 2010 13:56 |
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Sylink posted:You could also cleverly hide your guns in a fake wall or the ceiling or something. Like so?
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| # ? Mar 2, 2010 14:05 |
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joehonkie posted:Like so? ooh now i really want a circular sun blade and an RPG, so that i can go raiding the white devils at dawn on horseback.
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| # ? Mar 2, 2010 14:10 |
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Would someone tell me why i shouldnt buy one of those 9mm S&W semi-autos from aim. I need a carry gun for the job im starting soon and just need something cheap and reliable for a few months. Any other recomendations are welcome.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2010 02:19 |
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SouthsideSaint posted:Would someone tell me why i shouldnt buy one of those 9mm S&W semi-autos from aim. I need a carry gun for the job im starting soon and just need something cheap and reliable for a few months. Any other recomendations are welcome. Because http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...K22G3&groupid=3 is not much more money. Are you starting a security job? I've been trying to get an entry level one for months but I think my degree scares off most places  edit- sold out let me find a suitable replacement.
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Yes you would be correct and that was my original plan. But they were sold out. And i am getting a job in that field there are many schools in the chicagoland area that offer the training to carry and also help with job placement. The one im using is called reliance and its only 185 for the full forty hours you need in Crook county. Edit: i know you said your degree scares them but im sure if you went through one of those courses. I would think your degree would scare them the way they like it 
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SouthsideSaint posted:Yes you would be correct and that was my original plan. But they were sold out. And i am getting a job in that field there are many schools in the chicagoland area that offer the training to carry and also help with job placement. The one im using is called reliance and its only 185 for the full forty hours you need in Crook county. I've thought about taking one of those courses but didn't know if they were really reputable. I'll have to look into it a little more in depth if nothing pans out soon. http://www.summitgunbroker.com/1658544.html has brand new Glocks from $475, you may call CDNN and see if they have any used ones as well. If you're not looking for a budget gun and want instant satisfaction, the flyer for Cabelas I just got in the mail today has the new RTF models for $499 I believe.
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The course im taking is very reputable (the bitch who works the front counter i could live without though). But i dont like the RTF glocks i tryed one and didnt like the fact that it felt like skateboard grip tape. I didnt know whether to shoot it or try to kickflip. But the gun shop near me has NIB glocks for 490 which is looking to be the route i will take. Now if they have OD green....well then i think i will explode from pure joy.
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SouthsideSaint posted:The course im taking is very reputable (the bitch who works the front counter i could live without though). But i dont like the RTF glocks i tryed one and didnt like the fact that it felt like skateboard grip tape. I didnt know whether to shoot it or try to kickflip. But the gun shop near me has NIB glocks for 490 which is looking to be the route i will take. Now if they have OD green....well then i think i will explode from pure joy. any reason you want a NIB glock ? especially if it's a duty weapon I would consider just grabbing one from summitgunbroker.com as you can get used 22s and 17s for dirt cheap that will work just as well as a new one.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2010 03:12 |
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I just took my new M&P 9mm to the range for the first time today. If you are interested in a Glock type pistol but dislike glocks, they are worth a look. I am in love with mine. It shoots like a dream. You should be able to find a used one for Glock-ish price, maybe slightly more. If you know someone with one/know a range that rents them out, I reccomend giving them a chance.
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charliebravo77 posted:Because http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...K22G3&groupid=3 is not much more money. Are you starting a security job? I've been trying to get an entry level one for months but I think my degree scares off most places You mean like this? http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...Glk22&groupid=3
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| # ? Mar 3, 2010 03:18 |
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Yeah, exactly that. I must have missed those.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2010 03:21 |
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:unlike Marlin/Winchester, they're actually copies of the Winchester 1892. So they're pistol-calibre frames, whereas the big guys tend to just jam pistol cartridges into a 30-30 frame to keep up commonality of design.  The Marlin 1894 (which comes in .357 and .44)is different from their 336 (.30-30) series rifles, and you can easily tell them apart at a glance because the 1894s have a square bolt that covers the ejection port/chamber flush with the receiver, and the 336 has a round bolt that leaves the ejection port open with the bolt visible. The 1894 has never been a rifle caliber rifle, and doesn't share the same receiver or design as the 336, why are you spouting this misinformation?
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Can anyone give me a few ideas for .22LR bolt action rifles for less than 200? I'm looking to buy my first rifle. In a perfect world, I would just shell out 450 for a CZ 455 with a mannlicher stock, and probably do so gladly from what I hear, but who knows when the hell the rest of the 455's are coming out. Suggestions for cheaper/more available options? Maybe I'll get lucky and stay broke until after the CZ releases the rest of the line. 
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The Jabberwock posted:Can anyone give me a few ideas for .22LR bolt action rifles for less than 200? I'm looking to buy my first rifle. I bought a Savage Mark II bolt action at Walmart for 117 bucks. Great rifle. I like shooting it more than my AR sometimes.
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emathey posted:You mean like this? http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...Glk22&groupid=3 See i would have picked those up but i dont like glocks without finger grooves. And if i was gonna waste money a gun without the grooves it would be the J&G sigs they have. Thanks for all youre help everyone but im getting a nice deal on a G19 from my local shop. I basically told them what i could get one for even with there fifty dollar transfer fee(woohoo Crook county). They agreed to haggle on a slightly used one for about 450. i tryed to get them to flip a coin for less but they told me i watch to much pawn stars  ( i hate those buttpumpkins on that show)
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SouthsideSaint posted:See i would have picked those up but i dont like glocks without finger grooves. And if i was gonna waste money a gun without the grooves it would be the J&G sigs they have. Thanks for all youre help everyone but im getting a nice deal on a G19 from my local shop. I basically told them what i could get one for even with there fifty dollar transfer fee(woohoo Crook county). They agreed to haggle on a slightly used one for about 450. i tryed to get them to flip a coin for less but they told me i watch to much pawn stars slightly used glock for 450 isn't the worst deal in the world especially if your county is as lame as it sounds. did it come with any extra mags or anything? what generation is it? either way glock 19s are awesome and i guarantee any misgivings you have about the price you paid will go out the window after you put your first mag through it.
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Ohh i have no problems with the price. But more money in my pocket is always my preferred option. And it is coming with two mags and that little plastic mag loader. And once i do put some rounds through it i will be glad to report. im pretty sure its a third gen but i could be wrong. im getting it today or tomorrow. Ohh and crook county is one of the worst gun owning countys. Nothing over ten rounds. (except those old marlins/glenfields with the long tube) and most of crook county cant even own handguns. "For crime reduction" 
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SouthsideSaint posted:Ohh i have no problems with the price. But more money in my pocket is always my preferred option. And it is coming with two mags and that little plastic mag loader. And once i do put some rounds through it i will be glad to report. im pretty sure its a third gen but i could be wrong. im getting it today or tomorrow. Ohh and crook county is one of the worst gun owning countys. Nothing over ten rounds. (except those old marlins/glenfields with the long tube) and most of crook county cant even own handguns. "For crime reduction" 10 round magazines  . well at least its keeping DANGEROUS HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES off the streets right?  if it has the finger grooves on the grip then it is a gen 3 - if it has a flat front strap then it is a gen 2 or gen 1. google "glock gen 3" if you want a visual. gen 3s also have the forward mounted rail for lights. also if i was you and lived in such a place i would probably invest my firearms collection in 1911s and sixguns because 10 round magazines make me so sad 
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you can always go with these: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...W5906&groupid=3
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Kommienzuspadt posted:i guarantee any misgivings you have about the price you paid will go out the window after you put your first mag through it. SouthsideSaint posted:Nothing over ten rounds. Okay well maybe make that your first mag-and-a-half.
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Kommienzuspadt posted:10 round magazines See i wish you were right about them keeping the the high caps of the street but it doesnt. I had an aquaintance who sold guns illegaly. (this was in high school i just bought weed off the man) But he would always be showing me his High cap glock mags. But then a couple weeks later he was sent down the river to Pound Me In the rear end Prison.
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SouthsideSaint posted:See i wish you were right about them keeping the the high caps of the street but it doesnt. I had an aquaintance who sold guns illegaly. (this was in high school i just bought weed off the man) But he would always be showing me his High cap glock mags. But then a couple weeks later he was sent down the river to Pound Me In the rear end Prison. color me unsurprised. and man selling guns + drugs illegally sounds like a really realy great way to end up in pound me in the rear end prison. all probably for the best.
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SouthsideSaint posted:See i wish you were right about them keeping the the high caps of the street but it doesnt. I had an aquaintance who sold guns illegaly. (this was in high school i just bought weed off the man) But he would always be showing me his High cap glock mags. But then a couple weeks later he was sent down the river to Pound Me In the rear end Prison. Of course it doesn't. High caps are fully available, legally, to just about anyone right across the state line. A good comparison would be to imagine what it would be like if a state that straight up legalized pot was next to one where it was still illegal. Chances are it wouldn't be hard to find bud in either one. Better example: dry counties. Just because Bum gently caress McJesus County decides not to allow liquor sales doesn't mean people there don't drink - they just drive the 15 miles to the neighboring non-dry county that has a shocking number of liquor stores per capita.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Of course it doesn't. High caps are fully available, legally, to just about anyone right across the state line. there are a shitload of fireworks boutiques in vancouver, just over the bridge from oregon to washington. captive markets yeaaaah!!
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Kommienzuspadt posted:there are a shitload of fireworks boutiques in vancouver, just over the bridge from oregon to washington. This also works with taxes. You should see all of the stores selling cut-rate cigarettes on Indian reservations near-ish to NYC.
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Cyrano4747 posted:This also works with taxes. haha im from the NYC Satellite area and when I would go to buy cheap booze in Porchester you would regularly see guys loading up cartons of cigarettes in their 89 civic or whatever before heading off to NYC in the morning to hock them around midtown.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Better example: dry counties. Just because Bum gently caress McJesus County decides not to allow liquor sales doesn't mean people there don't drink - they just drive the 15 miles to the neighboring non-dry county that has a shocking number of liquor stores per capita. The dry city of Monmouth, home to Western Oregon University, sends a loud and clear message to its residents: if you want to drink, you'd better drive.
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