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I just got a Single Six a bit ago (totally awesome gun, I'd recommend it to anyone looking for a nice .22 handgun), and I realized that I've never cleaned a revolver before, and it's been a long time since I last cleaned any gun at all. Basically, what I'm asking for here, is a link or two to some tutorials to refresh my memory on gun cleaning, and maybe a goon tip or two. Also, northern Wisconsin newbie checking in, though I probably won't have the time to drive and meet up with any more experienced people until the spring/summer.
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The Sphinxster posted:What do you folk make of the Saiga in 7.62x39? I am specifically interested in accuracy, but maybe this is the cheap clone of which the Walrusman spoke. The Saiga is a good gun and is one of the more accurate AK pattern rifles. Right now, the Saiga is also pretty affordable. Centerfire systems presently has the sporter-style Saigas for $325. If you prefer an AK in a more classic military configuration, Saiga SGL21-61s can be had at K-var for $600. That's not as little as they cost a short while ago, but it's still better than the $900 they used to go for. A WASR-10 can be had for a little more than the Saiga sporter, but I wouldn't expect them to be extremely accurate. Still, they can be fun guns.
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DAVE!!!(c)(tm) posted:The Saiga is a good gun and is one of the more accurate AK pattern rifles. Right now, the Saiga is also pretty affordable. Centerfire systems presently has the sporter-style Saigas for $325. If you prefer an AK in a more classic military configuration, Saiga SGL21-61s can be had at K-var for $600. That's not as little as they cost a short while ago, but it's still better than the $900 they used to go for. A WASR-10 can be had for a little more than the Saiga sporter, but I wouldn't expect them to be extremely accurate. Still, they can be fun guns. Remember that if you get a Saiga you won't be able to use normal AK mags without modding the rifle yourself. It's not that hard to do, but it does require some basic skill with hand tools and fabricating a couple small metal parts.
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Propagandalf posted:I was able to shoot a 18"-20" sized group with mine at 50 yards on iron sights... Your gun sucks or there is more then one blind man on this forum. 
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kwantam posted:If it's legal to hunt with a semi-auto in your state, the SKS will be a fine hunting gun inside 100 yards. I don't think it's worth scoping one, though. With how cheap AKs have dropped back down to, and how expensive SKSs are still hovering at, there is ZERO reason to buy an SKS right now. Just get an AK (or sporter Saiga if you're really on a budget). Seriously, a stock configuration Saiga is roughly 500% better than an SKS in every way, and costs nearly the same. Propagandalf posted:I was able to shoot a 18"-20" sized group with mine at 50 yards on iron sights Yeah you either have the palsy, or your eyeglasses prescription is somewhere near Mischaco's if that's as good as you can do. That's a 38-40 MOA grouping, or about 20 times larger than what it should be at that range.
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Angry Guacamole posted:loving A, say when and where and I'll be awake when the sun's still out that day, just give me a few days' notice. alright, look for an IM from me soon
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So what is the deal with Glaser safety slugs are the really that good? Are they really "A perfect choice for populated urban areas? I mean they sound cool but I am sure that's just the work of some ad guru stroking the company image.So are they good or garbage?
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They're expensive snake oil.
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SouthsideSaint posted:So what is the deal with Glaser safety slugs are the really that good? Are they really "A perfect choice for populated urban areas? I mean they sound cool but I am sure that's just the work of some ad guru stroking the company image.So are they good or garbage? To the best of my knowledge, I don't think there's a police agency or SWAT team in the country that uses Glasers. If I'm going to load something into my gun that might save my life in the most remote of circumstances, I'll defer to the expertise of people who are risking their lives as part of their job.
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hangedman posted:To the best of my knowledge, I don't think there's a police agency or SWAT team in the country that uses Glasers. If I'm going to load something into my gun that might save my life in the most remote of circumstances, I'll defer to the expertise of people who are risking their lives as part of their job. Better start putting 5.56 in your AK...that's why it's a .30-cal chambering, you know!  All kidding aside, Glaser safety slugs are stupid.
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Looking at various models of the CZ 452 and I have a few questions. The American model has a shorter barrel than the Varmint but it's heavier. What difference does this heavier shorter barrel make? Also, what is a dovetail and what does it do exactly? edit: I was recently payed back some money that was owed to me, so I can now afford to splurge a bit more on my first rifle. I won't be out looking for one until at least two weeks though. Finals start next week. Steve Jorbs fucked around with this message at Dec 11, 2009 around 00:39 |
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A Jew in Manhattan posted:Looking at various models of the CZ 452 and I have a few questions. The American model has a shorter barrel than the Varmint but it's heavier. What difference does this heavier shorter barrel make? Also, what is a dovetail and what does it do exactly? A dovetail is a kind of small rail machined into the receiver. It's used to mount light-duty scopes, but you generally only see it on .22LR guns.
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A Jew in Manhattan posted:Looking at various models of the CZ 452 and I have a few questions. The American model has a shorter barrel than the Varmint but it's heavier. What difference does this heavier shorter barrel make? Also, what is a dovetail and what does it do exactly? The american has a heavier barrel than the varmint? Are you sure you didn't get the models mixed up? The varmint is heavier barrel, forend of the stock is wider and flatter and rides on benchrest bags better. The varmint also has one barrel screw and one action screw attaching it to the stock while the american has two action screws and the barrel can be free floated because of that. A dovetail means that you can just buy rings such as these and mount a scope directly to the receiver. http://www.belisimo.com/prodimages/BKL/257.JPG Other guns may require you to mount a a rail first in order to be able to mount scope rings. Like this for example but this is a rail mounted on a dovetail. You will make this choice depending on what rings you would like to use for your scope. http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/...oductCode=19009 Question you got to ask yourself is are you benching the gun or running around woods or what? I would try the 16" american for range shooting with optics. The FS model with no optics if you are not shooting for groups from a rest. CZ is phasing out some models btw if you want to read up on that. Definitely decide first if you want the 453 set trigger or not before anything else.
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Pitch posted:I can't speak for the CZ452 specifically, but in general a heavier barrel will flex less on firing and absorb more heat, making it more accurate. A shorter barrel won't have any effect on accuracy, but will have less muzzle velocity which could effect the working range of the rifle. (It doesn't matter on .22LR, 16" is just about perfect for it). I've been wondering about this (and asked about in another thread), but if a 16" barrel would be optimal then why do they make .22LR rifles with longer barrels? Specifically, why are there several different barrel lengths for different CZ452 variants if making the barrel longer than X inches will only make it more inaccurate?
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I don't think I said anywhere that longer barrels were less accurate? They aren't.
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Welmu posted:I've been wondering about this (and asked about in another thread), but if a 16" barrel would be optimal then why do they make .22LR rifles with longer barrels? Specifically, why are there several different barrel lengths for different CZ452 variants if making the barrel longer than X inches will only make it more inaccurate? It is not a matter of just accuracy from what I have learnt about it. Most of the powder in a .22lr cartridge should have burnt completely in the 16-18" barrels depending on what velocity cartridge you are shooting and more than that it slows down a bit due to friction. If you want the most oomph you would get a shorter barrel but if you run irons you might want a longer sight radius. This last bit I only know in theory and have no experience with it. With higher velocity rimfire ammo when shot it flys straight but once it passes the speed of sound and then slows down after passing that while the bullet is flying to the target, it tends to destabilize. To avoid this people will use a longer barrel to make sure their slow flying ammo stays that way. A longer barrel is also very quiet if that makes a difference. If you notice with the cz, the 16" model does not sport any iron sights while stuff like their lux with the looooong barrels sport irons. VVVV hahahaha. Rimfire junkie meeting at 230am. Who else is up? I love how my post has all newbie terms for what you so eloquently said. king of the bongo fucked around with this message at Dec 12, 2009 around 07:35 |
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Edit: ^^^^^^^^^^^ Welmu posted:I've been wondering about this (and asked about in another thread), but if a 16" barrel would be optimal then why do they make .22LR rifles with longer barrels? Specifically, why are there several different barrel lengths for different CZ452 variants if making the barrel longer than X inches will only make it more inaccurate? As long as the barrel is long enough to spin stabilize the bullet, it will be as accurate as the machining tolerances that went into making it. The differences in barrel length and size are really only going to crop up in a few places. The longer the barrel is, the more time there is for powder to burn and accelerate the bullet so that it has a higher velocity when leaving the barrel. Typically a faster bullet is what people want, however you might find that if your bullet comes out above but close to the sound barrier it might lose enough velocity in flight to cross that barrier which will negatively impact accuracy. So you either want the bullet to be subsonic all the way, or to leave the barrel and impact the target while at super sonic velocities. Another benefit of a longer barrel is going to be a longer sight radius which will make it easier to accurately use your sights. Longer barrels tend to be heavier reducing recoil and place weight to the forward of the gun reducing muzzle flip as well. Finally, if you shoot for a while you may notice that your groups are getting worse as your barrel heats up (lol Mini-14). A larger, heavier barrel will be less impacted by this by simply having more mass to heat up and dissipating heat better. The costs of this are mostly weight and having to truck around a long rear end barrel.
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Pitch posted:I don't think I said anywhere that longer barrels were less accurate? They aren't. Apologies, slightly misread your post. king of the bongo & The junk collector posted:
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king of the bongo posted:Question you got to ask yourself is are you benching the gun or running around woods or what? I would try the 16" american for range shooting with optics. The FS model with no optics if you are not shooting for groups from a rest. CZ is phasing out some models btw if you want to read up on that. Definitely decide first if you want the 453 set trigger or not before anything else. Until the spring and summer this will just be a range gun for shooting targets in my neighbor's back forest. The first 600 feet or so is pretty much just grass with a few trees on the one side, after that it is just dense forest for a few miles. When my neighbor starts his garden again he likes to keep the squirrels and rabbits in check or they eat all of his fruits, vegetables, and nuts. I sat out and got a few squirrels for him with my shotgun this past fall.
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A Jew in Manhattan posted:What's the difference between the triggers? Also, how much would it cost and how difficult is it to change them out? You cannot change them out. The 453 you can push the trigger forward and it clicks into a preset mode which is a very very light trigger. The reason you would buy the 453 would be that in addition to the set trigger you can adjust every aspect of the trigger pull to your preferences. Amount of take up, over travel, where it breaks and so on. The difference is I think ~100$ but considering that most adjustable sears cost around 60$ it is not a big price increase. If you go back to the main cz rimfirecentral forum you can see another post called the Poor mans trigger job for the 452 models. Read that and you will see that with that you can adjust some things about the trigger pull but if say 3 months later you want a heavier trigger pull for hunting purposes, it gets hard to reverse the changes each time. With the 453, you just adjust some screws for what you want. For what you want though, really any 452/453 model will work for you with a decent scope and 9"-12" harris bipod and a 10 round mag loaded up. I have a 130$ mueller APV on mine which is awesome but might be too heavy for your needs but I have no issues picking out shotgun hulls 75-100 yards out with it and am happy with it compared to the other 100$ scopes I have tried. Random picture from rimfirecentral to show you what it would look like  
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Rust removal seems to be a fairly common question in TFR. I removed some rust that was hiding underneath the grips on my Star Model B and took some pictures for anyone curious about the process.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. The rust.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. Required tools, all you need is some steel wool (I used #0000) and some oil. I dabbed the affected area with oil, rubbed with steel wool and wiped off the residue occasionally.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. As you can see there is some pitting, I think I got most of the rust though. I used a qtip to spread some white lithium grease over the pitting to hopefully prevent any future problems.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. Ta-da.
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I had a 452 varmint in 17hm2 and I was easily able to heat the barrel up to the point I had rounds walking left, until I free-floated the barrel. I wasn't even trying for rapid fire, but one shot every 20-30 seconds was enough to get things nice and hot. I really don't know poo poo about rimfire rifles, but it seems like if you plan to shoot it a lot, for accuracy, the lighter American barrel may overheat quickly.
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Ninja Rope posted:I had a 452 varmint in 17hm2 and I was easily able to heat the barrel up to the point I had rounds walking left, until I free-floated the barrel. I wasn't even trying for rapid fire, but one shot every 20-30 seconds was enough to get things nice and hot. I really don't know poo poo about rimfire rifles, but it seems like if you plan to shoot it a lot, for accuracy, the lighter American barrel may overheat quickly. I have never experienced this with any of my CZ452's (I've owned 3 different models at this point). So YMMV. PS: the 16" American is a very slick setup. It's extremely light and balances well with a shotgun/pistol scope.
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What's the significance of posing your gun with a knife inserted through the trigger guard?
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A Jew in Manhattan posted:What's the significance of posing your gun with a knife inserted through the trigger guard?
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A Jew in Manhattan posted:What's the significance of posing your gun with a knife inserted through the trigger guard? real answer: some people like doing that to make taking pictures with is easier. they also use shotgun shells and pens and poo poo. it's stupid.
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Why is it stupid?
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bunnielab posted:Why is it stupid? I wondered this, too. Only thing I can think of is some hive-mind objection to "  ZOMG might be loaded and thereby DANGEROUS "
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Kommienzuspadt posted:real answer: some people like doing that to make taking pictures with is easier. they also use shotgun shells and pens and poo poo. it's stupid. I think most people do it (I do) to prop it up and make it easier to get something besides a complete top down picture of your gun. It's not the easiest to get your tripod angled to take a picture of something directly under it.
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emathey posted:I think most people do it (I do) to prop it up and make it easier to get something besides a complete top down picture of your gun. It's not the easiest to get your tripod angled to take a picture of something directly under it. Mostly this. You can also use a gun to prop up a knife! It adds to the eXXXtreme nature of the photo  
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emathey posted:I think most people do it (I do) to prop it up and make it easier to get something besides a complete top down picture of your gun. It's not the easiest to get your tripod angled to take a picture of something directly under it. It also avoids that really flat look to the photos. The reason people object to it is that, at its worst, it looks like rear end, doens't help the photo that much, and you have a cheesy knife/bic pen/whatever poking through the triggerguard. Really, all the objections are because TFR has become a LOT more appreciative of quality photos in the last 2 years or so, largely as a result of having a few posters who actually really, really know what they're doing with regard to cameras. Miso was the first example of this, but there's some other people here now who take really nice pictures as well.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It also avoids that really flat look to the photos. this is basically it. really, i'm just spoiled. we have a lot of great photographers in tfr.
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edit: perhaps not so much a newbie question
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Kommienzuspadt posted:this is basically it. really, i'm just spoiled. we have a lot of great photographers in tfr. Yeah, those jerks make it harder on us with point-n-shoots and our extreme case of laziness. But hey, I found the white balance function on my camera!
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Hey, I want to change out the trigger bar on my Glock for one with a lighter trigger pull. Right now it's got the default one in there (which I think is 5.5 lbs). What's the best place to pick up a 3.5 lb bar, and how hard would the process of swapping them out be?
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joehonkie posted:Hey, I want to change out the trigger bar on my Glock for one with a lighter trigger pull. Right now it's got the default one in there (which I think is 5.5 lbs). What's the best place to pick up a 3.5 lb bar, and how hard would the process of swapping them out be? Wolff FTW! http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm...ems&cID=1&mID=5
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Motronic posted:Wolff FTW! Thanks for the link, but please don't do that.
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I will check that out, but apparently what I am looking for is an OEM 3.5 lb. trigger connector (not planning on swapping out springs yet). I think I have found instructions on how to install it, for which I apparently need a special tool as well. It also seems that the aftermarket trigger connectors aren't any different from the OEM one, which makes sense since it's just a metal bar. So maybe I have this covered.
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infrared35 did a write-up about trigger springs and different triggers for Glocks if I recall correctly. Maybe someone has a link handy?
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So I got my CZ 453 last night and spent the better part of 15 minutes trying to insert the bolt. Turns out I had to pull the trigger . At least I can insert and remove it with ease now. That trigger is a hell of a lot different than my Remington 870. I know they're completely different guns, I just wasn't expecting it to be so light. All stuff that can be adjusted though. I thought it was a good idea to slip on some ice and hurt my left shoulder too. So I won't be firing it much until next week.
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