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Pretty annoyed, this morning the fuses in my condo decided to blow, leaving me the option of switching fuses constantly to perform normally daily functions with my fiance. So I was pretty annoyed to begin with, however, when I went out to my car I found this annoying (and slightly expensive) ticket sitting on my windshield. Just as a little side story, when my fiance moved in with me about a year ago, I did the gentlemenly thing and allowed her to use my underground parking. The city we live in is pretty lovely (Hamilton, Ontario) and the neighborhood usually has cop cars are out nightly sorting out issues with the people in the area I live in. So obviously I don't want her to be by herself early every morning just incase as the condo building that I live in doesn't have additional underground parking available. So, due to this I ended up buying a time limit parking pass. Basically what it does is allows me to park in areas marked limited to X amount of time for 12 hours. Anyways, recently they put up a school in the area, and I continued parking in the same area that I had parked in previously. This morning I came down to find a parking violation stating that I had parked within 6 meters of a cross walk, fined 100 bucks and said that I had been parking in a no-stopping zone. The signs where I am parked clearly state that it is a time limit parking spot, and can I really be held at fault for ignorance of a bi-law that I had never heard of before when parking in a designated zone? I plan on taking it to "trial" and really just know if I have a leg to stand on. I do apologize if im not posting this in the right area, I didn't actually see a pseudo-legal forum and have seen people post questions of the sort here prior.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 14:59 |
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| # ? Nov 22, 2009 00:37 |
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To quote a judge who i once discussed a similar topic with "ignorance of the law doesn't make your breaking it valid."
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:03 |
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Pwyduddihudd posted:To quote a judge who i once discussed a similar topic with "ignorance of the law doesn't make your breaking it valid." Oh, I understand that, but isn't it their responsibility as well to make sure designated areas are marked appropriately? I mean, I understand that I cannot park there on the second tuesday of every month between 8am and 12pm because there are signs saying so. How can I be aware of a bi-law if signs marked "parking allowed" are really "parking allowed, but only if you are 6 meters from the cross walk, which means that technically parking isn't allowed here at all"?
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:07 |
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By-law, bylaw, or byelaw. Never bi-law. You should also know things like "you can't park within 30 ft of a stop sign" or "you can't run over little old ladies" even though there aren't signs for those.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:11 |
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I LOVE YOU posted:By-law, bylaw, or byelaw. Never bi-law. So basically the sum of the thread will be even though parking in a zone that tells you that you can park there its not legal because of a hidden bylaw that makes the entire area of the parking zone invalid.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:22 |
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Are you saying that there's a length of road with a sign on the side that says you can park during certain hours, but after the new school was built, there is no length of that road which is more than 6 meters from the newly-made crosswalk? How short is this road? By the way, I found your thread for you: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=2090924
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:28 |
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Is the spot that you parked in clearly marked as a parking area? As in there is a sign right next to your car stating that you are allowed to park there between certain hours? If so, you might have a chance of the judge declaring the ticket invalid. Otherwise do not park near stop signs, crosswalks, or fire hydrants in the future.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:32 |
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Who was the ticket issued by? Is it police or like a municipal parking agency? If police, look up when your District Attorney has "pro-bono" hours and go talk to him at the court house. If it's a municipal agency go down to their office and talk to somebody. Just politely explain your situation and ask if anything can be done. Either way if they don't reduce it or drop it, you can work out a payment plan. I know it sucks, but sometimes we make costly mistakes. Also look into getting another space in your underground lot. I mean you pay rent, if there's a vacant space you should by all means have access to it.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:38 |
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 Heres a diagram, I was the red car. The dark grey are drive ways, the green the parking signs and the black lines the cross walk. (yay ms paint!)
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:47 |
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I dunno, looks to me like you'd be screwed here. If there was a fire hydrant at the corner where the sidewalk is, would you still have parked there? (Hint: you should not)
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:49 |
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No, because on the other street I park in that has a fire hydrant the parking signs end 3 meters away from the hydrant and start up 3 meters after.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 15:53 |
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when did EN turn into municipal jurisprudence?
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 16:49 |
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Seriously how many threads a day are there about parking violations and speeding tickets? Cheers to you wasting another few hours of time to "save money" on something that probably won't work out for you in the end, anyway.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 19:24 |
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You guys should probably break up.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 19:52 |
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I never understand these ticket threads. I thought it was common knowledge, at least here in the states, that you just go to court and fight every traffic violation because why the gently caress not? Nothing to lose (except time, but you did take the time to post about it so...) So go fight it and then don't come back because I don't care how it went. I got my own battles, man.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 19:56 |
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KillerBean posted:when did EN turn into municipal jurisprudence? You're right, I should have tossed in a... "She smiled at me once im in love" "She called me once and im in love" "I'm lazy why am I lazy and how do I stop?" "We broke up because im a douche and i miss her because i love her" "I did something creepy as poo poo and it back fired" That is litterally every other thread and could be answered with a simple yet resounding solution: "If you sat down, stopped being dumb for a second and thought about your issue, what would you do?" Which includes this thread, and the answer is spend time in court for the hell of it because I have no reason not to. I would have deleted the thread after I was linked the other. But remembered its a no-no here.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:13 |
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Thomase posted:You're right, I should have tossed in a... The "switching fuses" stuff is all a crock of poo poo. She's loving your friend every time you go down there to fuss with things. You're blind, man, BLIND.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:18 |
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Ozma posted:The "switching fuses" stuff is all a crock of poo poo. She's loving your friend every time you go down there to fuss with things. You're blind, man, BLIND. I've always noticed her being extra friendly with that elderly guy with a walker. gently caress her and him. Time to do illegals.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:48 |
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Take the city to small claims court for instructing you to park in an illegal spot. It's pretty much entrapment if the signs are the way you say they are.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:49 |
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The only way to save yourself is to leave The Hammer and get a job in Toronto like a sane person.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:53 |
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Sally Slug posted:The only way to save yourself is to leave The Hammer and get a job in Toronto like a sane person. Canadian parking question: Can you park a dog sled anywhere or do they have special designated spaces?
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:57 |
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Sally Slug posted:The only way to save yourself is to leave The Hammer and get a job in Toronto like a sane person. The Hammer owns gently caress the haters.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:57 |
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Pwyduddihudd posted:To quote a judge who i once discussed a similar topic with "ignorance of the law doesn't make your breaking it valid." This is only true in certain circumstances, for instance you can't be ticketed for cutting through private property unless there's a sign up instructing you that it's private property. If I were the OP I'd still attempt to fight the ticket.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 20:59 |
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EmeraldFlashlight posted:Canadian parking question: Can you park a dog sled anywhere or do they have special designated spaces? What, are you a girlie man? You tuck it under your arm and hang it up with your coat when you get inside. You let the dogs hang out in the special dog igloos that you find outside of most stores. decahedron posted:The Hammer owns gently caress the haters. 
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 21:03 |
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There is a good chance you could fight your ticket and win, especially since you have the logic all worked out.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 21:04 |
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Look. Rules were meant to be broken. I object, badgering the witness. Permission to treat witness as hostile. Side bar. Go in that order and you'll win.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 21:09 |
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Sally Slug posted:What, are you a girlie man? You tuck it under your arm and hang it up with your coat when you get inside. But what if it's fully loaded with fresh walrus blubber?
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 21:10 |
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In canada people are really nice, they'll let you park your car in front of the house and even move in for awhile if you want. Why anyone would move from there to here is beyond me!
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 21:12 |
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The best reason to move from Canada to the States is that America has better Mexican food. I'm pretty sure that's the only reason.EmeraldFlashlight posted:But what if it's fully loaded with fresh walrus blubber? Oh, well in that case you can leave it where ever the gently caress you want, as long as you have your polar bear to guard it (Texan oil tycoons are infamous for just walking off with someone else's hard-earned blubber as their own Canadian hunting trophies so you need to watch out!). If your bear is elsewhere then you're expected to construct a makeshift igloo to contain your supplies (separate from the igloos that are provided for the dogs, no one expects it to be perfect and generally it shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes to get a passable structure if you're doing it on your own). Canadians are friendly folks, so if you are ever in this predicament just ask and a few will gladly help you build it and with a few extra hands you can be done in 5 minutes. Sally Slug fucked around with this message at Nov 03, 2009 around 21:18 |
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Paste posted:especially since you have the logic all worked out.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 21:21 |
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Sally Slug posted:If your bear is elsewhere then you're expected to construct a makeshift igloo to contain your supplies Tried this but I don't think I built it right because I had some of that milk that comes in a bag and it froze.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 21:40 |
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That's okay if it thaws you can just sort of shake it up and it should be more or less the same. If it's still undrinkable though you should call the Mounties, they'll go get you some more and send it out with whichever available horse is the fastest.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 22:03 |
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Thomase posted:I've always noticed her being extra friendly with that elderly guy with a walker. gently caress her and him. Time to do illegals. You know what you do now? You tell her to pay the loving parking ticket and screw her mother.
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| # ? Nov 03, 2009 22:19 |
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If you're constantly blowing fuses then you either have a short or have something that is drawing wayyyy to much current. So, you know, get that checked out before your poo poo burns down. BiohazrD fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 03:03 |
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Ozma posted:You know what you do now? You tell her to pay the loving parking ticket and screw her mother. No way! I can't do that! I’m an obese bulimic shut in with confrontation issues that secretly enjoys watching her rub his cane. I'm going to stew in anger and when I go to therapy blame my parents. Her mom does have huge guns though, think of the wife from dog the bounty hunter. quote:Look. Rules were meant to be broken. I object, badgering the witness. Permission to treat witness as hostile. Side bar. I enjoyed this thoroughly. And no one beats the Hammer! No one!
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| # ? Nov 04, 2009 15:15 |
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You should probably sever. If she comes back, tell her she needs to get help. Don't hit on her mom. That's lame. and awkward.
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| # ? Nov 05, 2009 02:01 |
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If you bring that MS Paint to court there is no way you can possibly lose.
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| # ? Nov 05, 2009 08:27 |
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I'd just pay it if it were a normal parking ticket, but a hundred bucks is a little stiff, and I know a friend of mine got out of a similar ticket by showing a picture of where he was parked with regards to the sign, so go nuts.dMastri posted:I never understand these ticket threads. I thought it was common knowledge, at least here in the states, that you just go to court and fight every traffic violation because why the gently caress not? Nothing to lose (except time, but you did take the time to post about it so...) edit: E/N answer, make your girlfriend pay the ticket, if she refuses then you two should probably break up and you get to keep her car because it's parked in your space
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| # ? Nov 05, 2009 08:40 |
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I LOVE YOU posted:I dunno, looks to me like you'd be screwed here. If there was a fire hydrant at the corner where the sidewalk is, would you still have parked there? (Hint: you should not) Usually, specific signs override more general laws. This works one way when it's "no parking" in a spot where parking would otherwise be legal, and it works the other way when it's a marked "permit zone X parking" spot where it would otherwise be illegal. In Seattle, I've parked with the bumper of my car just a few inches outside a crosswalk, right in front of a cop, and it was perfectly legal because the spots are marked off as such. Canadian parking law might be different, but I doubt it's so different that marked legal spots are somehow illegal. And, uh, dump your girlfriend or something.
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| # ? Nov 05, 2009 10:14 |
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Yeah I took some pictures. Whats the best approach in court? Matlock or Perry Mason?
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| # ? Nov 05, 2009 16:54 |
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