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crunk and white
Apr 21, 2008


academic literary narrative [EDIT] SA=essay[/EDIT][edit] essay/"ese"... work with this? careful racism...[/edit] poo poo you read in the new yorker or poo poo you read in college. an excellent essay is prob the most elegant and satisfying exercise around intellectually & aesthetically for sure. just post whatever essays you read and approve of and it'll become a "resource" i'm pretty sure [supra]edit[/supra]=BUT MAYBE A BAD ONE=


[b]the face of seung-hui cho[/b is no hedging the best essay published for years, in english, in mainstream publications read by white teenage males. n+1 still hasn't put it online which is dumb but i asked the author for a pdf a while back so here, check this out, really

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EYU900QP (also here b/c the download wait blows but thats only good for 10 ppl)

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this essay is long and rewarding and should just be read (<--this foot is a molossus) but I guess a lot of people are children who won't start reading a thing if they don't know where it's going so fine, here, but you should think about your life

excerpt setup a fine man makes an online dating profile

quote:

How many responses had he gotten? How well could he expect to do, being a man able to check off, without lying, boxes that certified that he made more than $150,000 a year, that he was six feet four inches tall, and that he was white? How well do you think he was going to do on that site where people disclosed what they really wanted out of life and also what they really didn’t want?

He had gotten six thousand responses in one night. The fact was that if there was something intriguing or beautiful about that man—and there’s something beautiful about us all, if you look deeply enough— someone was going to take the trouble to find it out, and they’d love him for that thing, not because he was 6 foot 4 inches tall, and not because he made more than $150,000 a year. You’d find out about his love of truth and poetry, to the extent that it existed, or at least his ability to make you laugh, or his own ability to laugh at things that made you laugh too—things on TV. You could watch TV together. Because the thing you wanted to do was to find true love and have that true love coincide with everything else that you wanted from life, so that you could have all the benefits of one kind of ease, and all the moral credit that others had to win by forgoing that kind of ease (but you could have it all, so why not?), and so you were going to put yourself in a position to do that. And you weren’t going to answer the ads of anyone with beady lugubrious eyes in a forlorn, brown-tinted face, and if that person wrote you a message, you weren’t going to write him back, and you’d probably even, if it seemed like it was necessary, block all further emails from that person. And you’d be right to do that. You’d be behaving in the way that any rational person in your situation would act. We all agree that the rational thing to do is to shut every trace of that person’s existence out of your view. The question, though, is—what if it’s not you shutting out the losers? What if you’re the loser whom everyone is shutting out? Of course, every loser is shutting out an even more wretched loser. But what if, as far as you know, you’re the lowest person at the lowest end of this hierarchy? What is your rational move then?

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...There’s a familiar narrative we all know about high school losers. It’s the narrative of smart sitcoms and even edgy indie films. The high school loser grows up, fills out, goes to Brown or RISD, and becomes the ideal guy for every smart, sensitive, quirky-but-cute girl with glasses (who is, in turn, the female version of the loser made good). The traits that hindered him (or her) in one phase of life turn out to be a blessing in another, more enlightened phase, or else get cast aside. For many people, this is an accurate description of their experience—it is the experience of the writers and producers of these stories.

In the indie film version of Seung-Hui Cho’s life, the escort Cho hired a few weeks before his massacre wouldn’t have danced for him for fifteen minutes in a motel room and then shoved him away when he tried to touch her. Not every one of the girls he tried to talk to would have recoiled in horror from him. Something would have happened in that film to remind him, and us, of his incipient humanity—that horribly menaced and misshapen thing. He would have found a good-hearted person who had perhaps been touched in some way by the same hysteria—and don’t we all know something about it?—that had consumed Cho’s soul. And this good-hearted girl or boy would have known how to forgive Cho for what he couldn’t forgive himself—the unbearable, all- consuming shame of being ugly, weak, sick, poor, clumsy, and ungifted...

that didnt happen and the piece is about owning up to why. the writing is hot; the argument moves like quarters down that collections-for-charity funnel they have at the mall and the children's museum, but really though only like the good ones that use solid balls because the argument just can't be stopped (<-molossus) whereas a quarter could be thrown off track(knocked over really) [edit] {1}

[1] in this metaphor the funnel pit represents the uncomfortable conclusionsto wards which the argument circles inward with speed that increases as it moves closer (i'm sorry to condescend but i don't want my point mstaken[/edit]


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EDIT 2: oh also cho seung-hui = v tech killer in case you forgot that's definitely foundational

crunk and white fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 06:14

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crunk and white
Apr 21, 2008


links are cool and pdfs rule especially if you're pulling from a restricted database like jstor but a lot of best stuff won't be online so don't hesitate to just rec a collection/author/title. i have access to a library i am not a child.

EDITt;

crunk and white fucked around with this message at Nov 03, 2009 around 23:44

Reichstag
Jan 19, 2008

She's a model and she's looking good
I'd like to take her home that's understood


so this threads gonna be a lot of words, huh?

crunk and white
Apr 21, 2008


reader this thread says more about you

Modot
May 12, 2007


http://thisrecording.com/film/2008/...uline-kael.html

its more of a recollection than an essay / is sort of interesting even if though it doesnt "[b]own/[b]' per se. the worthwhile part is when wes gets owned pretty hard trying to defend himself from david edelsteins editorial response

e: its wes anderson writing abot screening rushmore privately to pauline kael

Modot fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 01:53

zerojake
Jan 04, 2006


awesome essay crunk, i've known a lot of people who bordered on that kind of existence and it's really uncomfortable to be called out on my feelings about them

varo
Jan 02, 2009



that is a really good essay

tylertfb
Mar 03, 2004

Time.Space.Transmat.

Final Fart Buttball
Jun 24, 2005


varo posted:

that is a really good essay

Reichstag
Jan 19, 2008

She's a model and she's looking good
I'd like to take her home that's understood


essays by richard avedon (rehosted from http://www.richardavedon.com/ because it's a dumb flash site)

richard avedon on making his portrait of henry kissinger
borrowed dogs

tylertfb
Mar 03, 2004

Time.Space.Transmat.

does that essay really end at page 17, or is there more. it seems to end a bit abruptly (if a 17 page essay can be abrupt)

Admiral Crunch
Nov 26, 2005

a wizard smoking a bong, also he is fighting a dragon and the dragon is lighting the weed w/ his fire breath


tylertfb posted:

does that essay really end at page 17, or is there more. it seems to end a bit abruptly (if a 17 page essay can be abrupt)

i agree that the ending seemed abrupt but its not like anything was left unfinished or unexplained about his argument so i think it was partly just because i didnt want it to end there because the guy was making some really insightful points.


crunk and white: has he written other really good essays and if so where can i find them?

Spaceman Bill
Feb 25, 2006

are you a badenov dude

varo posted:

that is a really good essay

Spaceman Bill
Feb 25, 2006

are you a badenov dude

i have an essay published but it is not good at all so i encourage none of you to read it

GBS. Very Funny.
Oct 28, 2009

by Peatpot


Spaceman Bill posted:

i have an essay published but it is not good at all so i encourage none of you to read it

same

CHARLES MANSION
Jul 03, 2008

PUT MY DICK INSIDE YOUR MOUTH, TRY TO FIT MY WHOLE DICK AND NUTS INSIDE YOUR MOUTH


your own personal zine doesn't count but yeah me also a few times

GBS. Very Funny.
Oct 28, 2009

by Peatpot


CHARLES MANSION posted:

your own personal zine doesn't count

erm, i also had a rly terrible essay about revolutionary marxism in the planet of the apes series published, literally babys first attempt at marxist film theory. lets all write masturbatory essays about subjects were n00bs at that will haunt us foerver

HAI
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.


GBS. Very Funny. posted:

erm, i also had a rly terrible essay about revolutionary marxism in the planet of the apes series published, literally babys first attempt at marxist film theory. lets all write masturbatory essays about subjects were n00bs at that will haunt us foerver

interpret everything through a marxist prism 420

NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.

Alan Dundes "Into the endzone for a touchdown" is pretty cool I guess if you like reading about homoeroticism inherent in male rituals as interpreted by a folklorist.

His death was pretty metal, according to internet repository of knowledge: the wikipedia

"Dundes collapsed while giving a graduate seminar;[2] the topics that week were Marxist and Feminist theory, both approaches that Dundes disliked intensely, but thought were nonetheless important for his students to be acquainted with. He left his audience with a cliffhanger. He was introducing the topic (Marxist theory) and then said with a dismissive wave of his hand, "But there are really only two uses for Marxist theory in folkloristics..." and then collapsed.[citation needed]"

CHARLES MANSION
Jul 03, 2008

PUT MY DICK INSIDE YOUR MOUTH, TRY TO FIT MY WHOLE DICK AND NUTS INSIDE YOUR MOUTH


GBS. Very Funny. posted:

erm, i also had a rly terrible essay about revolutionary marxism in the planet of the apes series published, literally babys first attempt at marxist film theory. lets all write masturbatory essays about subjects were n00bs at that will haunt us foerver

you got one thing right though marxists are apes

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004



hi c@w i just read a lil essay that you can prolly find on jstor or whatever library program you want:

linda williams film bodies: gender, genre, and excess

read all about the intersections of porn, horror, and melodramatic weepies

maybe even jerk one out reading about bisexual porn

Bob the Goldfish
May 07, 2009

pause



Mike_V posted:

linda williams film bodies: gender, genre, and excess

2nded

crunk and white
Apr 21, 2008


sometimes i have fun searching jstor for dirty words like "buttfucking" (3 results) cf. me, in the first grade, with the dictionary

ChrisFarley
Apr 09, 2001


~~


all these fuckrs thinking they're using cf correctly. are they? nein

Gagamemnon
Jul 08, 2003

♥☃♥STEADY ON SOLDIER, WATCH WHAT YA DOIN' TO MY GIRL♥☃♥

crunk and white
Apr 21, 2008


ChrisFarley posted:

all these fuckrs thinking they're using cf correctly. are they? nein

sorry i learned all my latin abbreviations from infinite jest [edit] (been meaning to use this & it feels right here)[/edi;]

crunk and white fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 04:53

HAI
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.


the essay in op just labours the point that this kid was socially dysfunctional (and it also obsess on his perceived ugliness in a pretty odd way) and really doesnt say anything that isnt obvious and definitely doesnt explore any psychological or socioeconomic conditions that would help us explain what happened - in essence, hes just masturbating about his own relative success in life imo. c.

CHARLES MANSION
Jul 03, 2008

PUT MY DICK INSIDE YOUR MOUTH, TRY TO FIT MY WHOLE DICK AND NUTS INSIDE YOUR MOUTH


Gagamemnon posted:





This is incredible lyle

crunk and white
Apr 21, 2008


HAI posted:

the essay in op just labours the point that this kid was socially dysfunctional (and it also obsess on his perceived ugliness in a pretty odd way) and really doesnt say anything that isnt obvious and definitely doesnt explore any psychological or socioeconomic conditions that would help us explain what happened - in essence, hes just masturbating about his own relative success in life imo. c.

"explaining what happened" with a coherent narrative of specific causation is sort of the opposite of what yang's doing

crunk and white
Apr 21, 2008


WCH IS 2 SAY the man is interested in cho just asa chance to glimpse the common lived experience of a large[r/ly invisible] social class ("get how cho is one of many not (just) some specfic mutation we can['t be blamed for/explain]" - c&w "my one sentence post: a restatemetn." 2009)

EDIT: removed "window" metaphor &expanded reader options
edit2: various bug fixes
edit3: added formal citations, modified formatting

crunk and white fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 05:52

zerojake
Jan 04, 2006


he's also pretty blunt about the futility of examining the causation, it's more examining how we interact with and think about people like cho

TB Player
Dec 03, 2008

i love lamp


okay that op essay was stupid valid so i guess i'ma have to give this poo poo a chance

gonna scope that linda williams thing & the poo poo that reich posted but here have an awesome well done harper's essay that has talking points for when someone says "sampling=stealing"

the ecstacy of influence by jonathan lethem

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/02/0081387

Gagamemnon
Jul 08, 2003

♥☃♥STEADY ON SOLDIER, WATCH WHAT YA DOIN' TO MY GIRL♥☃♥

CHARLES MANSION posted:

This is incredible lyle

Dave Matthews
Oct 09, 2009

What would you say?

ha ha, anime and deep ecology. very funny. havent seen those joke's befre

CHARLES MANSION
Jul 03, 2008

PUT MY DICK INSIDE YOUR MOUTH, TRY TO FIT MY WHOLE DICK AND NUTS INSIDE YOUR MOUTH


Gagamemnon posted:





close and goldmine

Stegosaurus
Sep 30, 2005



HAI posted:

the essay in op just labours the point that this kid was socially dysfunctional (and it also obsess on his perceived ugliness in a pretty odd way) and really doesnt say anything that isnt obvious and definitely doesnt explore any psychological or socioeconomic conditions that would help us explain what happened - in essence, hes just masturbating about his own relative success in life imo. c.
*clears throat* Mark Ames

U.S. MAPLESTORY
Sep 29, 2006

now run and tell your mama bout that

~~

CHARLES MANSION posted:

close and goldmine

no wait

U.S. MAPLESTORY
Sep 29, 2006

now run and tell your mama bout that

~~

The concept of profiling, personal or otherwise, makes some people very uncomfortable. They’ll say that such profiling is unfair and therefore “racist,” or they’ll claim that it constitutes some other politically incorrect sin. They might go so far as to dismiss it on the grounds that profiling must mean doing so to exclusion, ignoring the real threat posed by people who don’t necessarily correspond to a “warning” demographic.

Both of these judgments are wrong. In the first case, it is no crime, politically incorrect or otherwise, to recognize reality for what it is. In the second case, learning to assign your awareness according to demographic probability is simply the wisest way to allot your time and energy. It does not mean doing so to exclusion. You will still ramp up your awareness for those individuals, regardless of profile, who exhibit threatening behavior, despite the fact that their demographic group is otherwise benign.

For example, if a teenager with his pants hanging off his rear end, throwing gang signs and walking in the company of a group of three others just like him, walks into a convenience store while you’re standing at the counter, there’s a good chance you’ll assign a high level of awareness to him and his actions as you go about your business in the store. This isn’t racism (if he happens to be of a race other than yours). It’s simply a recognition of the fact that young men dressed and behaving as this one does have committed and do commit violent crimes at a rate that outstrips this young fellow’s proportionate representation in society.

If, in the same store, a man in a three-piece suit walks in, chances are you’ll be less concerned with his presence. This is true unless and until you notice, for example, that he’s sweating profusely on a cool night, or walking around exhibiting shifty, furtive movements as if he’s high — or as if he’s trying to work up the courage to pull out a gun and rob the joint. There’s no crime in assigning your awareness based on demographic in the absence of behavior, and there’s no shame in reevaluating how you apportion your attention when potentially threatening behavior becomes apparent.

http://www.philelmore.com/download-...less_Threat.pdf

Gagamemnon
Jul 08, 2003

♥☃♥STEADY ON SOLDIER, WATCH WHAT YA DOIN' TO MY GIRL♥☃♥

Dave Matthews posted:

ha ha, anime and deep ecology. very funny. havent seen those joke's befre

this one just looks freaking cool imhoi should probably be hired as a graphic designer asap

YO MAMA HEAD
Sep 11, 2007



Gagamemnon posted:

this one just looks freaking cool imhoi should probably be hired as a graphic designer asap



bugger the system

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