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http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3223347 I certainly didn't expect to get trolled there of all forums seeing as how many of them are stoners with potential addictions and mental issues themselves. I'm looking for positive feedback and constructive criticism, not personal attacks. There were many sympathetic views, but the place was dominated by people who wouldn't even make an attempt at seeing my side. It didn't make sense to me. Let me tell you something about myself. I've had some crazy experiences. Apparently the TCC elite don't think being hospitalized twice for going loving psychotic has some kind of lasting effect on people. Honestly, talking and writing about how I feel has really helped me a lot in the past, and I believe it continues to. Maybe I was being unfair to ask them to be secondary therapists in a sense. But I was barely heard out before I had to close the thread because of excessive trolling.
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ok, re-read your post for like the 8th time. I think you should write down you're experiences and get this stuff off your chest. It won't help any to keep these feelings bottled up.
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You will undoubtedly have better luck here! e: Seriously, I did catch the thread in TCC and you really might have better luck here.
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How so?
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Don't do drugs, smoke weed instead.
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DeYoung posted:did you have a question? It wasn't meant to be a brag. I wan't really asking anything. I was relating a personal experience to them.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:It wasn't meant to be a brag. I wan't really asking anything. I was relating a personal experience to them. Yeah, I understand now. It just took a while for me to register, a little early in the morning for me.
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| # ? Nov 04, 2009 05:35 |
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Am I allowed to complain here about rule enforcement?
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RegisteredJustNow posted:Am I allowed to complain here about rule enforcement? TCC gave you solid, well thought out advice and even personal experiences. What the gently caress are you even doing or expecting here and why can't you be hosed to at least copy/paste your post over here. E/N isn't a place where we just let shitposting run rampant. It's not your livejournal either.
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| # ? Nov 04, 2009 05:40 |
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The only advice I got was "quit doing drugs"
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RegisteredJustNow posted:The only advice I got was "quit doing drugs" So what advice are you looking for, exactly?
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Your journal entry strikes me as manic, but I don't have much to go on. How are you feeling now? What brought you to the hospital in the first place? At what age did this start? How are you functioning at this point in your life: job, relationship, etc.? Also, it probably would be a good idea to lay off any substances. I don't believe in the hype that weed rots your brain or makes you psychotic, but if you've already got some sorta/kinda diagnosed issues to begin with that seem to be somewhat related to drug use, you should abstain.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:The only advice I got was "quit doing drugs" How about, quit doing drugs and write down your personal experiences while on drugs.....the stuff you can remember. You will get mocked, told to exercise, told to quit, and at some point probably told to stop trolling/sever. In all honesty and as serious as I can make this, take your sobriety and run with it. Recount all of your experiences hosed up and how it made you feel. The good and the bad, try to give yourself a reason to continue or not continue using drugs. From what I've read already, you're at a state of, I should stop hurting myself with drugs but I can't stop or don't want too. So, go seek some help and get your family involved. This is the life you got, you can continue to keep loving it up or try to correct it.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:Am I allowed to complain here about rule enforcement? In the E/N forum which is designed to either provide some answers or at the very least a whipping post? Yeah, sure. Abe should change our rules so that rule number one is that any thread asking for advice should begin with the advice that the user clearly intends to receive so we can all adjust our responses accordingly. It's make for less acrimony!
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RegisteredJustNow posted:The only advice I got was "quit doing drugs"  Hey guys I'm doing some drugs and I'm starting to mentally detach! My perceptions seem to be altering whoa! Perhaps you should consider quitting Drugs WTF YOU TALKIN BOUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE I LURBS ME SUM DRUGS
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RegisteredJustNow posted:The only advice I got was "quit doing drugs" As someone who quit smoking pot when it started to make me paranoid every time I smoked, I can tell you that the only way to quit having delusions while on drugs is to stop doing drugs. What other advice can we give?
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OK, sure stop doing drugs, great. When should I check back?
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Wait wait, don't quit doing drugs. Switch drugs. Switch to meth.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:OK, sure stop doing drugs, great. When should I check back? Whenever you want?
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Don't take two pills and update us in the morning! Seriously, what are you looking for here?
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Sally Slug posted:Don't take two pills and update us in the morning! Hm. I'm thinking "dude, you're doing DXM? And you've been institutionalized? Where's the tell-all mind-bending novella that's going to help define our generation in terms of drug use and excess?"
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Sorry if we came out harsh, but this isn't the coddle you thread. We are telling you something you don't want to do. So, either quit or stop bitching about it. We can't help you, you can only help yourself!
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Low Carb Bread posted:Your journal entry strikes me as manic, but I don't have much to go on. How are you feeling now? What brought you to the hospital in the first place? At what age did this start? How are you functioning at this point in your life: job, relationship, etc.? I'm feeling OK-ish. Bored mostly. I went into the hospital because I couldn't function because I was either catatonic or completely incoherent and basically not at all present as I am now. This "started" at age 18. I am 22 now. I have a great job, I work for my dad and his dad in the business my grandfather started. I'm modernizing the place. Brining in computers, and creating an electronic invoicing system. I have great friendships, but not many. Edit: Although that circle is growing. I wish I had better relationships with my immediate family. My girl situation is for shits.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:OK, sure stop doing drugs, great. When should I check back? You know, I just read your post that you linked to in the TCC thread. It seems from that that you KNOW you have a drug problem but yet you keep getting "persuaded" into doing them. You should probably, beyond stopping drugs, find friends who won't help you do drugs since you know they're the problem. Maybe go to Narcotics Anonymous? If the drugs are causing you to trip and you keep doing the drugs still, you need to be held accountable by someone outside of yourself.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:I'm looking for positive feedback and constructive criticism, not personal attacks. You lost, son?  f'real: Seconding an Anonymous program. I know it's really hard for me to do anything for myself. So, if I know I really SHOULD (or should not I guess) do something, I make sure I tell several of my friends that I'm gonna. That way, I'm letting other people down or making myself out to be a liar rather than just disappointing myself, if I gently caress up. You absolutely need a support system of people that don't want you doing drugs. And you should really quit hanging out with the ones that do.
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I made an argument in TCC concerning my belief that there are other solutions for addiction besides sobriety. Don't tell me that I'm wrong because "that's addict talk." That is the most ridiculous attempt at an argument I've ever heard. I'm completely prepared to have a serious debate about this instead of when you give up you just tell me that I'm addicted and I need help. Here's where I give the addict's predictable reaction, right? If more sobriety somehow makes you think that I will change my mind on this, you are wrong. If you think it qualifies me as an addict to have this attitude, you are also wrong. If you want to label me as an addict, go right ahead. It still doesn't change my mind. We say things like "only an addict would say 'I can stop anytime'", when a non-addict could and would say the same thing. It's only when a person is viewed as an addict that we dismiss their arguments - even though they may well be right (although they are usually wrong). Then, if that person turns out to actually be right, we say "well, if the person really could stop anytime", then the person wasn't really an addict. Does anybody else see how circular this is? I'm realizing that this turned out to be a can-of-worms opening in TCC.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:I'm feeling OK-ish. Bored mostly. It sounds to me like you have some things to work on (girl situation), but you're functional. That's more than can be said about a lot of people in TCC. My experience with people in a situation such as yours is that the more times you are hospitalized, the greater the chance that you are not going to be able to function in society. Someone with bipolar or schizophrenia, for example, can have a job, wife, kids etc. if he adheres to therapy and medications. And it sounds like you're doing well in that respect. I just want to caution you that when you start throwing drugs into the mix, you risk tampering with that. Not only do these hospitalizations greatly interfere with work and personal life, but there is definitely a lasting effect. I don't know if TCC believes in that or not, but it's true. The people I've seen with dozens of hospitalizations have gone from totally functional, to being totally unable to hold down any sort of job, and everywhere in between. And I'm totally hip to medical marijuana, and even LSD and MDMA for certain conditions, but it may not be the best thing for you. Psychedelics, for example, will interfere with the Abilify you're taking. Mushrooms, LSD, etc. bind to the 5HT2a receptor, which is the same that Abilify works on. Abilify also works on dopamine receptors, which is what cocaine stimulates, indirectly. In the very same way that Abilify is able to stabilize your mood, cocaine and psychedelics can do the opposite, pushing your thoughts towards paranoia, delusions, mania, etc. e: And regarding the girl situation, head on over to the virgin megathread, or the okCupid thread - in either, you can get some good advice on a number of things you can do to improve your odds at dating.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:I made an argument in TCC concerning my belief that there are other solutions for addiction besides sobriety. Name them.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:I made an argument in TCC concerning my belief that there are other solutions for addiction besides sobriety... Dude, your post basically said that you get delusional when you do drugs, and you want to find out the reason. The logical thing would be to assume that drugs are the cause of your delusions, and you'd be better off sober. You don't like this answer, I know. Ok, why don't you try this? Try quit doing drugs for 30 lousy loving days while taking your prescribed medications, just for shits and giggles, and see if that evens your mental health out. If it doesn't, then yeah there's probably something bigger to look at and maybe, maybe recreational drug use is not out of the question for you in the future after you've straightened your other issues out. If it does heal your brain, then hey! drugs were the problem, be sober and take your meds. If you can't quit for 30 days to help diagnose your problem then you probably need to get into rehab to try for complete sobriety because you are an addict who can't go 30 days sober.
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I think you just have a problem disagreeing with you. That thread led to this thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...40&pagenumber=1 I don't think that TCC was so much as trolling you, as massively disagreeing with everything you were saying, because it would seem the majority of people just plain don't agree with a lot of the stuff your talking about. The first thread you made there may have been a bit of a troll aspect to it, but overall they weren't flaming you, they were making logical counterarguments to what you were posting about.
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ssskinner posted:Name them. Well, if you want the non PC version of what I think, sobriety is not a solution to addiction. Once an addict, always an addict, right? Addiction is supposedly a disease that "has no cure". Those in recovery are said to be addicted, always. This is not a solution to addiction, this is a guarantee that someone won't use drugs. Sobriety works in it's goal of sobriety. Whoop de poo poo. Sobriety, instead of being viewed as a solution, should be viewed as one definition of a successful outcome. The other successful outcome would be being able to use as a "normal user" whatever definition you want to give that, as long as it means "non-addict." That option simply doesn't exist for people. For the millions of people who are "addicted" and don't practice sobriety, AA is obviously not successful for them. Why create this polarity? I don't mean to imply that sobriety is not essential for some people (right now). I may be included in that category.
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LuckyDaemon posted:Dude, your post basically said that you get delusional when you do drugs, and you want to find out the reason. The logical thing would be to assume that drugs are the cause of your delusions, and you'd be better off sober. You don't like this answer, I know. I've had a year of sobriety in the past when I was in NA along with other programs. I also just took a 4 week break before before smoking this last weekend.
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RegisteredJustNow posted:Well, if you want the non PC version of what I think, sobriety is not a solution to addiction. Once an addict, always an addict, right? Addiction is supposedly a disease that "has no cure". Those in recovery are said to be addicted, always. You still didn't explain what the actual "other solutions for addiction besides sobriety" are. I think it's possible that those exist, but when it comes down to "I do drugs and it makes me crazy but I don't wanna stop doing drugs," you're not going to find someone who's going to say "right o, chap, keep doing them drugs! let's look for another method to help you stop being crazy!" If you wanna stop being psychopathic and writing down random words in your journal, the only way I can think of to help you is to make a sacrifice -- which do you prefer, drugs and reacting the way you do to them, or being sane enough to understand what you're thinking and not having a flip out when you misunderstand the rules of a board game?
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RegisteredJustNow posted:I've had a year of sobriety in the past when I was in NA along with other programs. I also just took a 4 week break before before smoking this last weekend. Soooo... did you have problems with mental illness and delusions during your year of sobriety and your 4 week break? Cause if you didn't that sure sounds like a cure to me! Seems to confirm that drug use is the cause of your delusions so stopping them is the only way to go. If you did, you should at least stay sober while you work with your doctor on adjusting your meds. Edit: Let me tell you a story about Ramen noodles. I loving love those things. Love them. I used to eat them a few times a week. Then one day out of the blue I noticed that I would get horrible, god awful stomach upset after I ate Ramen. Never failed. I tried eating them in the morning, at night, with Pepto, with alcohol, everything. But they gave me nasty stomach upset. It can't possibly be the Ramen! I thought. I'm 24 years old, food sensitivites don't develop at 24! What the hell? But you know what? I didn't have stomach upset when I abstained from Ramen, and all hell broke lose when I indulged. So I gave up Ramen noodles, even though there doesn't seem to be any logical explanation of why they caused me stomach upset after years of no problems, or why everyone else could eat them just fine with no problems. Sure, I could have posted on the internet soliciting tips that would make Ramen digestible, but what would people have said? Probably, "don't eat Ramen." It sucked, but at least my intestines don't explode anymore. I'd rather have a calm tummy than the glow of Maruchan. The end. LuckyDaemon fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 07:11 |
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LuckyDaemon posted:Soooo... did you have problems with mental illness and delusions during your year of sobriety and your 4 week break? My "delusions" are always present, but given things I have learned in the past year or so, they don't seem as delusional as they were when I first thought them. This is because of the fact that I have been exposed to more and more people who think in similar ways to myself.
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Simply abstaining from drugs is not the solution for better quality of life according to any mainstream model of addiction treatment. Haven't you ever heard of a dry drunk? The very premise of your thread was false and it's pretty easy to see why people didn't take kindly to the retarded conclusions that you drew from it. It's just due to the nature of addiction that most addicts can't return to using their drug of choice or even any drug at all without relapsing and even if they could it still wouldn't be ideal. Your thread wasn't so much an attempt at a productive discourse on alternative methods of treatment as it was you whining about how you want to continue using drugs, knowing that they will exacerbate your mental illness, and not have people think you're an addict. frobert blamble fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 07:40 |
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RegisteredJustNow posted:My "delusions" are always present, but given things I have learned in the past year or so, they don't seem as delusional as they were when I first thought them. This is because of the fact that I have been exposed to more and more people who think in similar ways to myself. What the hell does this mean? What kind of delusions are you talking about? What people share these delusions?
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frobert blamble posted:Simply abstaining from drugs is not the solution for better quality of life according to any mainstream model of addiction treatment. Haven't you ever heard of a dry drunk? The very premise of your thread was false and it's pretty easy to see why people didn't take kindly to the retarded conclusions that you drew from it. It's just due to the nature of addiction that most addicts can't return to using their drug of choice or even any drug at all without relapsing and even if they could it still wouldn't be ideal. Your thread wasn't so much an attempt at a productive discourse on alternative methods of treatment as it was you whining about how you want to continue using drugs, knowing that they will exacerbate your mental illness, and not have people think you're an addict. This is only true if addiction really "can't be cured", but I'm arguing that this is false. My life is not in the shitter. I have good things going for me. I have ups and down, but I deal with them. It has nothing to do with not wanting to be labelled an addict from a bunch of people I don't know. I tend to think that I've fallen in and out of the realm of addiction, but this doesn't really matter. I can be sober and lead a productive life, and still hold this belief about addiction. Why are these two things incompatible?
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ssskinner posted:Name them. Exactly. We're still waiting for you to name them.
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Shasta Orange Soda posted:What the hell does this mean? What kind of delusions are you talking about? What people share these delusions? I'm talking about "delusions" of saving the world, of defeating death, of bringing about peace and genuine change. What people share these delusions? Most of them I've met online, but not all. Some of them have suffered psychosis and depression like me. In any regard, I've met quite a few people who agree that the world is is spurred for big change. Also this: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...7#post367885697 RegisteredJustNow fucked around with this message at Nov 04, 2009 around 07:53 |
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