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Welcome to the off-season plan megathread! What, exactly, is an off-season plan, you ask? Basically, it’s drafting your dream 25-man roster for your team within the confines of the budget and reality. Here is an example from Dave Cameron. Now, don’t feel like you have to be as spergilicious as he is (or I will be). However, do try to keep your plans realistic or else they will most likely be torn asunder by SAS MLB regulars. Good resources for player salaries and worth are Cot’s Contracts and Fangraphs. For a list of free agents, click here. I will be posting a 4-part effortpost on where the Mariners should be going, but feel free to play GM and prove your superiority over your team’s GM.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Welcome to the off-season plan megathread! What, exactly, is an off-season plan, you ask? Basically, it’s drafting your dream 25-man roster for your team within the confines of the budget and reality. Here is an example from Dave Cameron. Now, don’t feel like you have to be as spergilicious as he is (or I will be). However, do try to keep your plans realistic or else they will most likely be torn asunder by SAS MLB regulars. Good resources for player salaries and worth are Cot’s Contracts and Fangraphs. For a list of free agents, click here. I can't wait to see your effortpost good sir! Go Mariners, God Bless Ichiro and Long Live King Felix.
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Part I: The Current Situation Overview The Seattle Mariners, all things considered, had a very good year last year. Their 85-77 record exceeded almost all the expectations for the team. Compared to the disastrous 2008 campaign, there was a 24 win swing. With this turnaround, the perception is that the “reconstruction” phase, short though it was, is over. The Mariners have a decent, albeit offensively anemic, core group of players that, with the right pieces, can become perennial contenders in the AL West for the next few years. Going into the offseason, here is how the Mariners currently look:  Again, this is a young group with good pitching, solid defense but incredibly poor offense. Thankfully, there are a couple spots on the roster, mainly the DH, where we can plug in some power hitters to bring this offense at least back to the mean. Also, between Jarrod Washburn, Miguel Batista, Erik Bedard, Adrian Beltre and Kenji Johjima coming off the payroll, the M’s are ~$45 million cheaper than last year. After arbitration raises and the almost-inevitable resigning of Russell Branyan, it’s probably closer to ~$40 mil. Felix: The Tail that Wags the Dog Simply put, Felix is the center around which the Mariner offseason revolves. He would be the centerpiece for any attempt at a Mariner dynasty. Resolving his situation determines the rest of the outcomes. In this series, we will look at the three possible outcomes of this situation, and the roster moves they determine, in decreasing order of preference: extending Felix, trading Felix and keeping the status-quo with Felix. Goals So the Mariners have money, and some definite holes to plug. In this series, the Mariners are thought to have the following goa ls, in the following order: - Extend Felix Hernandez – This is pretty self-explanatory. The likely-Cy Young Runner-Up is only 24 years old and hasn’t had any sort of injury problem. Probably more so than Ichiro, Felix is the heart of the core that this team should be built around. Felix has 2 years left on his contract before hitting free agency, where he will most likely (and should) demand $120 million+, which the Mariners realistically cannot swallow. Extending Felix would delay the inevitable and give the M’s roughly half a decade to build a contender around him. - Get a DH with power – Last year, the Mariners went with a Griffey Jr./Sweeney platoon at an entirely-offense-oriented position. While the nostalgia was nice, this is a team that needs to begin to seriously compete, and a Griffey re-reunion just is not feasible. The Mariners were second to last in team .OPS in the AL last year, and the open spot at DH is the perfect candidate to find a big bat to begin to rectify that. - Remain competitive for AT LEAST the next 2 years – The Mariners are at a critical juncture. The last time the team had a winning record, 2007, then-GM Bill Bavasi attempted to “compete now” by trading for/overpaying for Erik Bedard, signing Carlos Silva to a 4 year/$48 million deal and adding Horacio Ramirez and Miguel Batista. Needless to say that did not turn out well. 2009 helped wash away most of those wounds, and the competent moves of GM Jack Zduriencik has established trust back in the institution. However, there is now an expectation that Mariners are back, and need to win now, especially if Felix cannot be extended. And the goal is to do all this with a payroll ~$90-95 million. I will be using Wins Above Replacement (WAR) as a rough measure of player value and expected team success. For an explanation of WAR, click here. Trade Candidates Aside from having possibly the largest chunk of change to play with this side of the Mississippi, the M’s also have a couple of pieces that can be traded for major-league talent: - 2B Jose Lopez – Lopez is a cheap (~$2.5 million), young player under team control for another couple years. He’s come off a year of career highs in homers and rbi’s. However, his glove is somewhat of a liability and his plate discipline is non-existent (look at ISO). As a right-handed hitter, his abilities are held back by Safeco’s cavernous left field and fickle winds. The Mariners have 2nd overall pick Dustin Ackley beginning to kick around in the minors and the cash on hand to delve into the deep free-agency pool at 2B to find a stopgap in the short term. - RP Mark Lowe – Above-average fastball with a sick change-up, Mark Lowe exemplifies the high-strikeout, high-walk makeup of the Seattle bullpen overall. Lowe could, depending on the market, move into the closer role pretty successfully. As far as replacing him, Zduriencik has shown that he can find relievers almost for free off the scrap heap to work well in the Mariner bullpen (see Aardsma, David and Kelley, Shawn). - 5th starters. The Mariners have seven pitchers who could start at the MLB level as a 5 starter: Lucas French, Chris Jakubauskas, Doug Fister, Garrett Olsen, Petit, Ryan Feirabend and Cesar Jimenez. Zduriencik has shown that he can find these players for free as well (see Petit) and thus a good chunk of this group could find themselves moving this offseason. - SP Brandon Morrow – Morrow has shown flashes of brilliance between swaths of crapulence. His control has been his downfall in his bad starts. He has electric stuff, with a 95-98 MPH and a 12-6 curve that can buckle batters when it’s on, which so far has been rare. Morrow’s availability depends on how the front office feels about him, with the current scuttlebutt being that patience for him is almost up. However, he is still a young, MLB ready starter that other, pitching- and cash-starved teams may covet *cough* Milwaukee *cough*. As far as replacing him, Jarrod Washburn proved last year that high-contact, flyball pitchers can succeed in Safeco with Gutierrez and Ichiro in the OF. The Mariners have the cash to get an undervalued FA starter to hopefully experience a similar resurrection, or they can turn to one of their many fifth starters. Assumptions and Conclusion We have outlined the current status of the Mariners, their goals, holes and available capital, both in terms of money and players. We will next examine what the Mariners may look like after extending Felix Hernandez, which would be the best outcome. In this and the other plans, I operate under the following assumptions: - Ken Griffey Jr. and Mike Sweeney retire: There is simply no room for them on the Mariners as players, and they both retire, or are convinced by the Mariners to take on non-player roles on the team. - Carlos Silva is not an option to start the year as a starting pitcher: There is no reason to give him even a single start on a competitive team until he has proven he has fully returned from his injury and is back to his 2006-ish form. Hopefully he will be given the mop-up role left vacant by Miguel Batista. - Russell Branyan is resigned for 1 year/$4 million: There is mutual interest in bringing Branyan back, even with his injury prone-ness. He’s staying - Ryan Langerhans is non-tendered: He would be due ~$1.5 million with a raise, but with Michael Saunders emerging and Bill Hall still around, Langerhans becomes extraneous and is thus booted. - Adrian Beltre and Erik Bedard aren’t coming back: Beltre will explore free agency and Bedard won’t be offered arbitration. We will next attempt to build a roster centered around an extension of Felix Hernandez, sometime tomorrow. ManifunkDestiny fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 01:55 |
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I wish I could muster up the effort to make a post on the Dodgers offseason, but right now my only hope is that they don't firesale the team ala Loria. They are basically hamstrung until the divorce and ownership get settled, and who knows when that will be. This could be a dark, dark winter in LA.
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here's an effortpost gonna sign your favorite player gonna pay him an obscene amount of money gonna put trophy 28 in the bathroom between some spare towels and the potpourri
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The Orioles The current situation: not that good on the whole win/loss things Guys whose contracts are up that I don't want back unless they are super cheap: Danys Baez - Dude cost us a lot of money over three years and was really not that good. I don't see him coming back as someone out there will offer him more money than we (hopefully) are willing to pay him Mark Hendrickson - I wouldn't mind seeing him coming back in a bullpen role as he was not that bad as a long reliever and god knows we will probably need some of those while our rookie pitchers develop some more. Trade bait: Luke Scott - I like Scott because he provides good outfield depth and when he gets hot he can really hit. But we do have a lot of outfielders in Jones, Markakis, Reimold, Pie and maybe Montanez. I am willing to bet we could flip Scott for a decent bullpen arm or maybe a good prospect. Ty Wiggington - I hate Ty Wiggington and want him off my team. We'll take sunflower seeds for him, they don't even have to be flavored. Jason Berken - I could see him being another Garret Olsen. He didn't really pitch as well as we had hoped and have better young prospects I would like to see get time on the mound. that's really all I can think of, we have so many young guys who saw a little bit of Major League playing time I don't know who I would want them to trade. I could see Liz, Ray and maybe Robert Andino go but I don't really know. Things that need to be done to make us not suck: Sign some corner infielders - While we have Snyder, Bell and Aubry all coming up and Aubry even saw some playing time at the end of the year I would like for us to take some of the money coming off the books this year (last year paying Jay Gibbon's roided rear end) and get a couple of guys. At first base I could see us signing Nick Johnson but if not I see us taking someone like Adam LaRoche or even someone like Blalock if we think Snyder or Aubry is going to take over later in the season. As for third base I think we can probably land Chone Figgins but much like first base I could see us signing someone to just hold us over for the first few months until we bring up Bell. Get pitching that doesn't suck - Our bullpen was horrible last year and so were our starters. The starter situation we are set on since we have tons of rookies who will hopefully be better next year. I wouldn't be surprised if we make the normal O's move and get a lovely veteran pitcher for his veteran presence. Bullpens are always a crap shoot but Ray, Albers and so many others sucked back there. Henrickson could stay there and be fine, Uehara is getting moved to the closer role probably which would put Johnson back in his set up role. If Rich Hill is healthy next year I hope they start him in the bullpen as a middle innings guy. Mickolio will hopefully stay good next year and hopefully Sarfate will get healthy and come back strong. Maybe get a real shortshop - Izturis has been ok for us because if nothing else he can field but I wouldn't mind seeing us upgrade the position. But looking at the FA list I really don't know who we would go after. Maybe O-Cab or Jack Wilson if his club option isn't excercised. Sign a DH if we can - We should sign Godzilla or Jason Giambi just 'cuz.
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If I were Dayton Moore, my plan would be:
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The yankees don't have to do a lot to remain at the top of the AL but the offseason does include some choices: Starters 1: CC Sabathia 2: AJ Burnett 3: Vacant 4: Vacant 5: Vacant Assumptions: Andy pettitte returns for 1 year / 10-13 million dollars. Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, and Alfredo Aceves will probably fill the remaining two spots. Barring a trade I don't think they are going to go after any of the free agent pitchers. A lot of people want the Yankees to go after Lackey but I don't see Cashman doing that. If Joba Chamberlain comes to camp out of weight, I can see him going down to the minors to start. But in all likelihood they are going to go with pettitte/Hughes/chamberlain. Chamberlain will not have any limits, and Hughes should be around 180. Wang will probably be non-tendered and resigned and could come back around the all-star break or later in the year. They could take a run at Ben Sheets for depth. Mitre and Gaudin provide the backup for those positions. Relievers CL: Rivera SU: Marte SU: Robertson MR: Coke MR: Melancon MR: Bruney LR: Aceves/Gaudin/Mitre Nothing new here. I'd like to move guys like Coke and Bruney, but I don't think they are going to go after any relievers. Positions 1B: Teixeira 2B: Cano 3B: A-rod SS: Jeter C: Posada LF: Vacant CF: Gardner/Melky RF: Swisher DH: Vacant The Yankees will bring back , at the very least, 1 of Damon/Matsui. I think they will get both back. I want them to bring them back for 1-2 year deals, because I like the LF options better down the line. I don't think they break the bank in consecutive years on a guy like Holliday or Bay. A possibility is another 'buy low' deal by Cashman on Milton Bradley, who would take over at DH. I think the end result is nothing big, and the yankees go into next year with the same overall lineup. Bench C: Cervelli OF: Gardner/Melky UF: Hairston/Pena/Hinske UF: Hairston/Pena/Hinske UF: Hairston/Pena/Hinkse The biggest changes will be on the bench. Jose Molina's contract is up so I think they go with cervo behind the plate. The UF positions will be determined by which players are non-tendered in the offseason but the current inhouse candidates are Hinske Pena and Hairston. Hinske or Hairston would have to be resigned, but I think they bring back Hairston due to his versatility and I doubt another team is going to offer him a better chance to win. Honestly, this offseason should be boring for the yankees, which is good for the rest of baseball 
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Dinner Dream posted:If I were Dayton Moore, my plan would be: Gentlemen, we have a winner.
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i'll give this a once-over Washington Nationals first off, the back of the roster will include many completely poo poo fringe major leagurs who i couldn't begin to identify, so just assume that in addition to the below i feel a sense of dread in that i'm doing an effort post, at least to some degree, and i will certainly be wrong Catcher INCUMBENTS - Jesus Flores, moderately good and still young. however, he's only caught 161 games in 3 MLB seasons, so the backup will be vaguely important Wil Nieves seems like a good guy, career minor leaguer, who, like a barnacle, has stuck on this team, for two years Jamie Burke has like 3.038 years of mlb service, is he up for arby or still a reserve clause slave or what? MINOR LEAGUE HELP - Derek Norris got hype in single-A this year, so maybe in five years he does something, if ever. we apparently own Gustavo Molina, the Pretend Molina Brother FREE AGENCY - we could sign Brian Schneider? it might be kinda fun to have him back. there's no reason to think this will actually happen, it'd just be funny VERDICT - Jesus Flores, Wil Nieves, and Jamie Burke STRENGTH OF POSITION - moderate to low. First Base INCUMBENTS - Adam Dunn, in the last year of his contract with the nats, was the starting 1B from August through the end of the season. MINOR LEAGUE HELP - nope. in AA, chris marrero is worthy of slight hype, high minors have brad eldred and mike morse as potential poo poo backups FREE AGENCY - maybe Chad Tracy's fallen far enough for this to happen VERDICT - Adam Dunn and some fuckers. Pete Orr might be involved. STRENGTH OF POSITION - all-star caliber Second Base INCUMBENTS - Alberto Gonzalez. Willie Harris can play this position too. MINOR LEAGUE HELP - Seth Bynum? FREE AGENCY - i kinda hope we sign jamey carroll VERDICT - Alberto Gonzalez, Willie Harris, and even worse players than them too STRENGTH OF POSITION - non-strengthy Short Stop INCUMBENTS - Cristian Guzman. MINOR LEAGUE HELP - Ian Desmond had a legitimately exciting September callup debut, but his defense is atrocious (he makes misplays i have never seen any other major league player make). i assume he'll come up later on in the year. danny espinosa's kinda cool in high A FREE AGENCY - this is practically a position of strength so probably not VERDICT - Cristian Guzman, Ian Desmond, and some Alex Cintron-type player or two STRENGTH OF POSITION - mediocre THIRD BASE INCUMBENTS - Ryan Zimmerman. coming off the best season of his young career. one-time member of the Facebook group "You Booze, You WIN!!!", a group for athletes who perform better when hung over. MINOR LEAGUE HELP - nah FREE AGENCY - not so much VERDICT - Ryan Zimmerman and i guess the backup for injury and like five rest starts is Pete Orr. STRENGTH OF POSITION - all-star caliber LEFT FIELD INCUMBENTS - Josh Willingham, pending arbitration. Willie Harris is still around too. MINOR LEAGUE HELP - no, but one Leonard Davis is surprisingly competent for our high minors in his mid-20s FREE AGENCY - not in any meaningful capacity VERDICT - Josh Willingham with Willie Harris as chief 4th OF STRENGTH OF POSITION - moderately good CENTER FIELD INCUMBENTS - Nyjer Morgan. we love him. gently caress off, we just do. I guess Justin Maxwell counts by now. he might be starting up a lucrative 5th OF career, maybe Willie Harris can play here too and Elijah Dukes played here, and not very well i might add, in 30 games last year MINOR LEAGUE HELP - does rogearvin bernadina count? no? ok then. our AA CF is named Michael Daniel FREE AGENCY - we have nyger so gently caress it VERDICT - Nyjer Morgan, Willie Harris, and Justin Maxwell. STRENGTH OF POSITION - honestly probably average because morgan seems to have great defense RIGHT FIELD INCUMBENTS - Elijah Dukes was pretty mediocre last year but he's still sorta young and poo poo Austin Kearns will presumably not be here but hell, maybe we take the $10MM option on the corpse of his prospecthood and he's on this list MINOR LEAGUE HELP - Jorge Padilla i guess. he's old and can hit in AAA, had a bad call-up. also there's Norris Hopper who played a bit for the reds so he'll probably play here too FREE AGENCY - i mean they could, but i doubt it VERDICT - Elijah Dukes, with some of the above mentioned guys and Willie Harris. I'm saying no Kearns but we'll see STRENGTH OF POSITION - probably below-average but i guess there's still the possibility Dukes lives up to years-old scouting hopes/hypes STARTING PITCHING INCUMBENTS - John Lannan is actually kinda good, definitely decent. Craig Stammen beat the world champions and hung out for most of the year so i guess he's still in. J.D. Martin was kinda decent, don't feel terrible about having him out there. Shairon Martis kinda blew up and spent a while in AAA but he'll be around Ross Detwiler has the sixth-overall-pick pedigree but right now he's mediocre. Collin Balester is honestly a level below all those guys. Scott Olsen? do we still own him? forget about him MINOR LEAGUE HELP -  strasburg. everybody but John Lannan, who himself was in single A to start 2007? zimmermann's out with TJ for the year, so him plus the above accounts for basically every semiprospect in the high minors. this dude Erik Arnesen made it to AA by the end of last year, he could be a craig stammen in the makingFREE AGENCY - I'm pretty much certain that we'll sign Livan Hernandez. you might want to kick the tires on Brad Thompson, as much as it terrifies me to say it VERDICT - John Lannan at #1; later in the year Strasburg will almost certainly make his debut but i bet he gets shut down pretty early on. his innings cap will probably define this era of coddling SP prospects. then Martin, Martis, Stammen, Detwiler, and Balester will spend time in the rotation here and at AAA, i'm guessing in declining order of major league time but who knows. as for Livan Hernandez, I guess he'd kinda join the merry-go-round with all the kids, but he'd start the year in MLB most likely if only to give this rotation the incredibly slight vanity of his name recognition RELIEF PITCHING I mean i could throw a lot of names at you, there are plenty of guys in the system who will filter in and out of this portion of the team, but who really gives a gently caress? we'll also pick up many fringe minor league relievers and they will join the fun. I'll say one thing; Tyler Clippard was actually kinda decent in middle/long relief last year. the issue is, that means nothing with reference to his performance in 2010. good ol' relief pitching I guess Mike McDougal will start the year as Closer, maybe Garrett Mock gets to have some late innings, and Tyler Clippard will rescue shortened starts pretty often. ok what did i forget? i honestly forgot about strasburg until halfway through RP, so i bet i hosed up something else even worse wait you wanted an offseason "plan". the only plan at this point is to take any and all talent you can in any trade that looks even slightly biased in our favor, to wrap strasburg in surgical gauze, and to use our draft picks in June to select players who showed promise in amateur play. i think the only things i honestly said we'd do in the above were sign Livan Hernandez and reject Austin Kearn's option, if you want me to go on the record and be wrong oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 03:15 |
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the blue jays have already managed to screw up the most obvious part of the offseason by not firing cito gaston so at this point i don't even care
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Dinner Dream posted:If I were Dayton Moore, my plan would be: If he gets rid of Callaspo or Greinke, I will drive to his house and do it myself.
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Greinke is not going anywhere.
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The New York Metropolitans Current contractual situations: CONTRACTS FOR NEXT YEAR 2B Luis Castillo, $6 million 3B David Wright, $10 million SS Jose Reyes, $9 million CF Carlos Beltran, $18.5 million SP Johan Santana, $21 million SP Oliver Perez, $12 million SP Mike Pelfrey, $500k (assuming likely non-qualification for Super 2 arb) RP Francisco Rodriguez, $11.5 million Total: $88.5 million ARBITRATION ELIGIBLE (2009 salary) OF Jeremy Reed, $925k OF Cory Sullivan, $600k OF Angel Pagan, $575k RF Jeff Francoeur, $3.38 million SP John Maine, $2.6 million SP Tim Redding, $2.25 million (non-tender candidate) RP Pedro Feliciano, $1.61 million RP Sean Green, $471k RP Nelson Figueroa, $350k Total, assuming Redding is non-tendered and across the board 20% raises: $12.6 million TEAM CONTROL C Josh Thole C Omir Santos 1B Daniel Murphy 1B Nick Evans OF Fernando Martinez UT Anderson Hernandez SP Jon Niese SP Fernando Nieve SP/RP Pat Misch SP/RP Bobby Parnell RP Brian Stokes Approximate total of team controlled players: $6 million FREE AGENTS (2009 salary) C Brian Schneider, $4.9 million 1B Carlos Delgado, $12 million SS Alex Cora, $2 million LF Gary Sheffield, $300k UT Fernando Tatis, $1.7 million UT Ramon Martinez, $750k RP Elmer Dessens, $600k RP JJ Putz, $6 million Total payroll relief: $28.25 million So, give or take, they're going to have $105 million or so invested in returning players. The 2009 payroll was $143 million and the Wilpons are claiming payroll will stay even or go up, not get slashed. So there's a lot of money available here, $40 million give or take. POSITIONS OF NEED: LF, 1B, C, frontline SP POSITIONS OF NO NEED: 3B, starting SS, starting CF, closer, backend starting pitcher, 4th/5th outfielder POSITIONS THAT COULD GO EITHER WAY: 2B, RF, setup relief 1.) Sign Matt Holliday Matt Holliday is the biggest bat on the market, wants to play in New York, and the Yankees don't have room for him. Angel Pagan is not a starting left fielder for a championship team, and besides, how likely is it that both Beltran's knees hold up and Jeff Francoeur doesn't fall apart? You're probably going to need Pagan to cover for those things, and probably Fernando Martinez too. The Mets have been rumored to be interested in Holliday for almost three years now, they need a power hitter, and he's the type of athletic player that tends to age well. I think in this market, Holliday's price ends up being around 6 years, $100 million. Even at a little more, this should be an absolute no brainer for the Mets. Jason Bay is a viable backup plan. Johnny Damon is not. 2.) Get rid of every single pending free agent They're all too old and overpaid. If Delgado wants to come back for a million or two, fine. But no more $750k contracts to complete scrubs who end up at AAA anyways - those should be your minor league free agents - or $2 million utility infielders, you do enough of them and it adds up to an actual player. 3.) Take some fliers on guys with front of the rotation upside There's three guys out there with legitimate ace potential who will come quite cheaply this offseason due to risk: Erik Bedard, Ben Sheets, and Rich Harden. And there'll probably be a few more available cheaply in trade. The Mets are filled to the brim with back of the rotation candidates, so why not take a shot on one or two of these guys on a short-term deal? This is the type of risk that a smart, big market ballclub does - instead of signing Jason Marquis or Jon Garland for $10 million per. John Lackey is somewhere in the middle, he's a better pitcher than those guys but also will be more expensive and doesn't have a clean injury bill either. 4.) Dig up a cheap, short term first base solution Free agent possibilities include Adam LaRoche, Nick Johnson, Russell Branyan, Hank Blalock, and the aforementioned Delgado. Non-tender or trade possibilities include Conor Jackson, Jack Cust, Mike Jacobs, Jorge Cantu, and Marcus Thames. With this many guys out here who are clearly better than or at least complement Daniel Murphy and wouldn't cost all that much in money or prospects, you have to get someone who can provide league-average hitting for the position. At the same time, you don't want to block Ike Davis too much and there aren't any real big bats in this market. Spend wisely, Omar. 5.) Find a complementary option to Josh Thole at catcher Omir Santos is not the answer, folks. I don't know if Thole is ready to be the everyday guy yet, but it won't be long and frankly I'd rather take a slightly green Thole over the likes of Bengie Molina and Yorvit Torrealba. A splashier trade acquisition like Ryan Doumit would be nice if feasible, but barring that, someone like Gregg Zaun would probably work. 6.) Extensively use minor league free agency and cheap major league free agents to fill out the back end of the roster and Buffalo The Mets basically punted minor league free agency last year and then had to trade for Wilson Valdez and Anderson Hernandez in midseason. This is bad. Find a utility infielder for cheap (or just use IPOR). Bring in a nice 150 AB pinch-hitting bench bat like Eric Hinske. You probably already have all your back of the bullpen relievers with guys like Misch and Nieve, both of whom were shrewd waiver claims with some upside who can both start and relieve. You managed to unearth a really great Rule 5 pick in Darren O'Day - except another team reaped the rewards. You can sign one midpriced setup man - a Brandon Lyon type - but don't spend a bunch of money on a "second closer" or a brand name. So in a perfect world, the spring roster looks like: SS Jose Reyes 2B Luis Castillo 3B David Wright LF Matt Holliday CF Carlos Beltran 1B Adam LaRoche RF Jeff Francoeur C Josh Thole/Gregg Zaun/other OF Angel Pagan OF Jeremy Reed INF Anderson Hernandez C Gregg Zaun/Omir Santos/other 1B Daniel Murphy 1B/OF Eric Hinske SP Johan Santana SP Erik Bedard/Rich Harden SP Mike Pelfrey SP John Maine SP Oliver Perez RP Francisco Rodriguez RP Pedro Feliciano RP Brian Stokes RP Fernando Nieve RP Pat Misch RP Brandon Lyon RP Sean Green/Bobby Parnell jeffersonlives fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 03:56 |
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uggy posted:Greinke is not going anywhere. Clearly you are not familiar with Dayton Moore.
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Philadelphia Phillies projected returns/additions in italics, ??? discussed below SP: Cliff Lee, LHP SP: Cole Hamels, LHP SP: Joe Blanton, RHP SP: J.A. Happ, LHP SP: Jamie Moyer, LHP/Kyle Kendrick, RHP/Kyle Drabek, RHP RP: Scott Mathieson, RHP RP: Scott Eyre, LHP RP: Chan Ho Park, RHP RP: Ryan Madson, RHP RP: Brad Lidge, RHP RP: J.C. Romero, LHP RP: Kyle Kendrick, RHP/Jamie Moyer, LHP (whoever loses the 5th starter battle) C: Carlos Ruiz 1B: Ryan Howard 2B: Chase Utley SS: Jimmy Rollins 3B: ??? LF: Raul Ibañez CF: Shane Victorino RF: Jayson Werth B1: Greg Dobbs B2: Ben Francisco B3: ??? B4: ??? B5: ??? Third base and the three bench spots are the big question marks. Third base: Six months ago, Pedro Feliz's 2010 club option seemed like a lock. Now? Not so sure. The most likely candidates are Chone Figgins, Mark DeRosa, or Adrian Beltre. Beltre can probably be had for similar money to the option with a potential moderate offensive upgrade. Mark DeRosa would command a few million more. Chone Figgins would be terrific and I would love to see him in Philadelphia, but coming off his playing-over-his-head 2009 season he will probably demand and command a very large multi-year contract somewhere else. If he wants to come to Philadelphia for $36 MM/4 years, I'll hand Rube the pen. Bench: I pray that Bruntlett is fired into the sun. Matt Stairs seems like a great guy and his HR in 2008 will forever be a part of Phillies lore, but he hasn't hit worth poo poo most of 2009, and Benny Fresh fills the 4th OF spot competently. Bako is easily replaceable either internally with a replacement-level catcher like Hoover or some other random old free agent. I don't really know who they could acquire to fill out the bench for the other 2 spots that aren't a backup catcher. Felipe Lopez? Ryan Spilborghs?
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Scoobi covered most of the moves and I expect Damon and Matsui to be back so 1. Offer CMW a minor league contract. If he declines he can go somewhere else. 2. 5th starter. Go for Justin Duchscherer if he's available. I'd like Pavano, but nobody would accept him. 3a. In an ideal world Damon doesn't come back and we trade for a LF who doesn't field like a blind man
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One man's thoughts about the Boston Red Sox: Starting Pitchers 1. Josh Beckett 2. Jon Lester 3. Daisuke Matsuzaka 4. Clay Buchholz 5. Tim Wakefield If Matsuzaka can be healthy for a full season, and be at least better than he was in 2009 (nobody should think that he'll replicate his insanely fluky 2008 season), this rotation should be pretty good. Beckett and Lester are a fantastic 1-2 combo, and Buchholz showed signs in mid to late 2009 of developing into a very nice middle of the rotation starter. The free agent market offers little in the way of improvement, although it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Sox try to pick a few guys up off the scrap heap, as they did with John Smoltz and Brad Penny. An injury to Wakefield is all but guaranteed, and it would be nice to have someone to step in and fill that void. Relief Pitchers CL: Jonathan Papelbon SU: Daniel Bard SU: Hideki Okajima MI: Ramon Ramirez MI: Manny Delcarmen MI: Vacant LN: Vacant Trading Papelbon and trusting Bard to be the closer would be a major mistake, in my opinion. While it is true that Papelbon is becoming more expensive with each passing year, I am concerned about Bard's remarkably poor numbers in August and September. A trade of Papelbon should only happen if it is accompanied by re-signing Billy Wagner, or if the deal is so fantastic for the Red Sox that they simply cannot say no. Ramirez and Delcarmen were both disappointing in 2009, as their strikeout rates dropped and their walk rates rose greatly. If they revert to their career norms in 2010, the Red Sox should have a very deep bullpen. If they do not, the bullpen could be an area of weakness. Position Players LF: Vacant CF: Jacoby Ellsbury RF: JD Drew 3B: Mike Lowell SS: Jed Lowrie 2B: Dustin Pedroia 1B: Kevin Youkilis C: Victor Martinez DH: David Ortiz First, the good: Martinez, Pedroia, Youkilis and Drew are all incredible. In terms of their production, there is very little bad that can be said of any of them. Martinez probably lacks the durability to catch 80% of the team's games, but his bat is solid enough that it wouldn't be unbearable to play him at first now and then, and Youkilis is versatile enough to move over to accommodate him. Now, the bad. Lowell's range, which allowed him to be a very good defender at third base before his hip surgery, has completely abandoned him. He is an awful absolutely dreadful defender at third, and his bat is not nearly enough to justify putting him on the field. "Luckily," David Ortiz' bat has regressed to the point where he should not be assured a guaranteed spot in the lineup, meaning that Lowell could find some playing time as the designated hitter. To replace Lowell at third, I would love to see the Red Sox sign Adrian Beltre. As others have said both here and elsewhere, he is one of the best defensive third basemen (if not the best) in the American League, and he's managed to be a league-average hitter as a pull-hitting righty in a stadium that kills pull-hitting righties. Playing 81 games with the Green Monster in Fenway's shallow left field would do wonders for him. Continuing the theme of bad defense, Jacoby Ellsbury is one of the more overrated players to come along in recent memory. While it is absolutely true that he possesses a great deal of speed (and his remarkable stolen base success rate shows that he knows how to use it), he has appeared to be completely incapable of tracking down fly balls in center field. If this is something that can be fixed with coaching or training, then it needs to be; if he simply will never learn how to judge a fly ball, then he needs to replaced with someone who can. His bat plays well enough for a center fielder (although he really shouldn't be leading off), but if he can't play the position then he probably doesn't deserve a spot on the roster. Shortstop provides a "refreshing" change from third base or center field in that it has someone who can't hit, rather than someone who can't field. Jed Lowrie has only had one really good month in his career (August of 2008*), and has spent much of the rest of his time recovering from his latest wrist injury. If Lowrie can stay healthy AND show the same patience at the plate that he has over his career, he can be a solid shortstop. If not, then the Red Sox need to look elsewhere, because Alex Gonzalez and Nick Green are simply not the answer. * I'm not counting April of '08 because of his .400 BABIP that month, and I'm not counting May because he had all of twelve plate appearances. The left field situation is, to me, pretty clear: If the Cardinals don't re-sign Matt Holliday, the Red Sox have to sign him. Jason Bay is a very, very good hitter, but Holliday is every bit as good AND is at least 15 runs better defensively. Holliday has a solid glove, while Bay is an absolute butcher. Acquiring a better defensive option becomes even more vital if Ellsbury does not improve in center field. Bench C: Jason Varitek 1B: Casey Kotchman IF: Vacant OF: Jeremy Hermida Varitek is a complete disaster at this point, and it would be best for everyone if he retired and the Red Sox found another option. If he doesn't, then he does have a player option for 2010, and the Sox may not be willing to take the PR hit that would come from cutting him. I wouldn't be shocked to see Kotchman traded over the offseason, simply because he could start for some other team and the Red Sox don't have a use for him beyond being a lefthanded bat off the bench. Finally, as I said earlier, Alex Gonzalez and Nick Green aren't the answer at shortstop; in fact, they shouldn't even be the backup answer at shortstop. Trades Personally, I don't see a trade for Adrian Gonzalez or Hanley Ramirez or Felix Hernandez or Roy Halladay happening. The Red Sox' system lacks Major League-ready talent (unless Buchholz is still considered a prospect, but he alone is nowhere near worth any of the big names mentioned), and the Padres, Marlins, Mariners and Blue Jays are all in positions where they do not have to trade their big names. Obviously I would be in favor of doing anything possible to bring in one of these players, but any Red Sox fan who pins their offseason hopes on a big trade is likely going to be disappointed. Summary 1. Sign Holliday. 2. Sign Beltre. 3. Teach Ellsbury to play defense. 3a. If he refuses to learn, shoot him and sign Mike Cameron. 4. Pray to God that Lowrie is the answer at shortstop.
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jeffersonlives posted:good stuff Couple of things: -Minaya is probably going to add a stopgap 1B through trade, not free agency (according to some article I remember reading). If he doesn't end up doing that, I honestly believe it'll be LaRoche. On the trade deadline, the Mets originally were trying to acquire LaRoche (some sources said the deal was actually done) but the deal ended up falling apart and he ended up going back to the Braves. -There have been articles that the Mets will resign Alex Cora. Anderson Hernandez probably goes back to the minors and Cora will fill that INF spot. Not sure how I feel about that both of them are terrible. -I'd actually be interested in taking a shot at Ben Sheets. Omar loves giving out low risk, high reward contracts (freddie garcia and livan hernandez in 2009) and if Sheets is healthy or back relatively quick into the season there's no real reason not to give him an incentive-laden contract. -I don't want Omir Santos anywhere near a major league roster. -I have a really bad feeling that if the Mets fail with Holliday they're going to sign Vlad
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I CHALLENGE THEE posted:-Minaya is probably going to add a stopgap 1B through trade, not free agency (according to some article I remember reading). If he doesn't end up doing that, I honestly believe it'll be LaRoche. On the trade deadline, the Mets originally were trying to acquire LaRoche (some sources said the deal was actually done) but the deal ended up falling apart and he ended up going back to the Braves. The Mets have been connected to LaRoche at various points for several years so I agree with this. He'll be a little pricier than the other options, but at like 2/16 I don't think that's a problem. Jorge Cantu seems to be the name most connected in trade talks. I guess he's alright but he's going to get something like $6 million in arbitration and with the talent cost you might as well just sign LaRoche. quote:-There have been articles that the Mets will resign Alex Cora. Anderson Hernandez probably goes back to the minors and Cora will fill that INF spot. Not sure how I feel about that both of them are terrible. I've heard this but I've also heard he may not want to return. There's a price at which bringing Cora back makes sense but it doesn't involve the words "millions" or "multi-year deal." Grit and determination is fine but this is a 34 year old player who is slightly above a replacement level talent, and also at this point a utility infielder who can't really play short. quote:-I have a really bad feeling that if the Mets fail with Holliday they're going to sign Vlad I don't even know if Vlad would be interested in coming back to the NL, like Matsui he may be a DH only option. My "really bad feeling" (other than Damon) about left actually involves Manny.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 06:22 |
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Your 2010 Milwaukee Brewers Where they stand right now: SP: Gallardo SP: Bush SP: Parra SP: Suppan SP: ??? RP: Villanueva RP: Stetter RP: DiFelice RP: McClung RP: Coffey RP: Vargas CL: Hoffman LF: Braun CF: ???? RF: Hart 1B: Fielder (and no you can not have him) 2B: Weeks SS: Escobar 3B: McGehee / Gamel C: ???? As we all know, starting pitching was what hosed the Brewers last year. Doug Melvin has promised to be aggressive in finding two new starters, and to be a little less protective of prospects in order to get what they need. He'll be trading for one, and picking up at least one in free agency. Relievers were much better than the starters, and I think will mainly be intact. For positional players, the majority of the team will be the same with a few potential veteran departures. Braun and Fielder still form the heart of the offense (both of which had MVP caliber seasons last year.) Weeks will be back, and if he comes out like he did last year, and manages to not get hurt, that position will be fine. Escobar has taken the shortstop spot away from Hardy, who will be traded. Third is a really interesting question - do you go with the guy who never produced in the minors and mashed in the majors, or the guy who mashed in the minors and is more "prospecty," yet never figured out the majors for whatever reason? Melvin has already said that McGehee has the job at third for next year, so I'm not sure where that leaves Gamel. I don't think Casey's value will ever be higher than it is right now, so maybe they try to flip him instead. Catcher is kind of bad: Either they bring back Kendall, go with one of the catchers in the minors (Salome or Lucroy,) or dip into the free agency scrap heap. I don't anticipate them wanting to spend a lot of money here, so they'll probably go with Kendall again. Cameron will probably walk, although he said he'd take a paycut to stay in Milwaukee who knows how much of a paycut he means. Jody Gerut actually wouldn't be that bad of an option. Lorenzo Cain probably needs time in the minors to start the season coming off knee surgery. The bench is completely open, but if Counsell doesn't retire he'll play for the Brewers. The Plan, were I in charge 1) Let Cameron and Kendall walk. Decline Looper's option (duh.) They need the cash elsewhere. There aren't too many raises to go around in arbitration, and Hardy will definitely be gone, so there's about $20M to play with. 2) Try to acquire at least two starters through free agency. One guy would be a middle of the rotation guy who would hopefully be an upgrade over the Suppan / Looper spacedock (no loving long term contracts though,) the other would be a high-upside high-risk incentive guy. Sheets makes sense if the bridges weren't burned too bad. Melvin has indicated interest in Mulder and I'm assuming he'll sign with the Brewers, but he'll have to be signed as a spring training flyer and nothing more. I'm going to say Garland, Sheets, and Mulder all sign with the Brewers. 3) Suppan would either be released and the salary eaten, traded along with a ton of cash for some A ball scrub, or will be the long reliever. Parra starts the season in AAA. 4) Gerut stays on as Gomez insurance + fourth outfielder. Hart is traded. Miguel Olivo is signed to platoon with Mike Rivera at catcher. Here's how I'd like it to shake out: SP: Gallardo SP: Sheets SP: Garland SP: Bush SP: Mulder / Parra RP: Villanueva RP: Stetter RP: DiFelice RP: McClung RP: Coffey RP: Vargas CL: Hoffman LF: Braun CF: Gomez RF: Gamel 1B: Fielder 2B: Weeks SS: Escobar 3B: McGehee C: Olivo Bench of Rivera, Gerut, Counsell, Irribarren, and some random scrubs. edit: Might as well update this for the Carlos Gomez trade... warwick5s fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 21:33 |
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chutwig posted:SP: Jamie Moyer, LHP/Kyle Kendrick, RHP/Kyle Drabek, RHP Kyle Kendrick is not a good pitcher and I do not think that he will be starting. It would be nice if Drabek could win the spot, but if he doesn't it will probably be someone cheap that they took a flyer on or Moyer. quote:Third base: Six months ago, Pedro Feliz's 2010 club option seemed like a lock. Now? Not so sure. The most likely candidates are Chone Figgins, Mark DeRosa, or Adrian Beltre. Beltre can probably be had for similar money to the option with a potential moderate offensive upgrade. Mark DeRosa would command a few million more. Chone Figgins would be terrific and I would love to see him in Philadelphia, but coming off his playing-over-his-head 2009 season he will probably demand and command a very large multi-year contract somewhere else. If he wants to come to Philadelphia for $36 MM/4 years, I'll hand Rube the pen. I understand that Chone Figgins has a better on base percentage than Beltre, but Beltre is better in the field and hits for more power. Plus I keep seeing people say how Figgins had a great year and played over his head and then I look at the stats and just get confused. That is playing over his head? Guys like Utley and Werth are already great at getting on base and Victorino is solid as well. I just would much prefer having the great defensive third baseman that can hit for some power, I guess. And I know that sounds like Feliz, but I think Beltre will bounce back from last year and continue just being a better version of Pedro. Plus it should help him come cheaper than Figgins. Also I wish there was some way to get Charlie to drop Rollins in the batting order. If they got Beltre or Figgins, Rollins should really be batting 7th. I love the dude but he is a mediocre hitter at best. Jota fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 06:59 |
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If you're looking to get away from the Suppan/Looper types, I'd avoid Garland. He's about the same, albeit not as wretched as 09 Looper. Odalis Perez might come cheap. He might blow up, but he wouldn't be eating up a ton of the payroll. Maybe Pavano? His FIP was 4.00, which would have been 8th on the team and I believe 2nd among starters.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 07:00 |
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I want the Tigers to get Carl Pavano because some other AL Central team will try to get him for his ability to look unhittable against the Tigers for whatever cruel and unusual reason.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 07:18 |
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Is a trade between the Twins and Brewers giving up one of our pitchers for Hardy reasonable? I'm not entirely sure who it would be leaving the Twins but it does seem like both teams could fix some big holes this way. Thinking about it some more, if Hardy rebounds at all then he'd be an improvement at SS and Punto/Casilla/Cabrera(ugh) fight for 2nd. Valencia at third. The Twin's would have Blackburn, Slowey, and Baker pretty much set in their rotation while having Bonser coming back (hopefully healthy) and maybe Pavano (wishful thinking?). Then you got Perkins, Duensing, and Liriano to play around with. Milovan Drecun fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 07:29 |
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Milovan Drecun posted:Is a trade between the Twins and Brewers giving up one of our pitchers for Hardy reasonable? I'm not entirely sure who it would be leaving the Twins but it does seem like both teams could fix some big holes this way. I have to think the Brewers would ask for someone like Slowey and they wouldn't necessarily be wrong. I'd do it for, say, Perkins and a good minor league arm, but I doubt the Brewers would, since what they need most is major league ready pitching. There's almost no way Valencia starts right from spring training and Luke Hughes is going to get a shot too.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 08:23 |
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Jota posted:
Here's yer lineup Charlie vs LHP Victorino Utley Werth Ibanez Ruiz Beltre Howard Rollins Pitcher vs RHP Victorino Utley Werth Howard Ibanez Beltre Rollins Ruiz or something like that
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 08:25 |
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Philadelphia Mariners. Give us all your former Mariners. We want them all. Sign Miguel Batista, too.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 11:05 |
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OKCecil posted:Philadelphia Mariners. Give us all your former Mariners. We want them all. Sign Miguel Batista, too. Please, we all know that Miguel Batista will be starting for the Royals this year, the other land of forgotten Mariners. Also I'm pretty surprised by the effort in this thread. I typed up my effortposts over the span of a couple days, and seeing what all you guys have produced in such a short amount of time is impressive. Part II of my series will be up sometime around noon today.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 12:41 |
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Jota posted:Kyle Kendrick is not a good pitcher and I do not think that he will be starting. It would be nice if Drabek could win the spot, but if he doesn't it will probably be someone cheap that they took a flyer on or Moyer. I think they're going to give Kendrick a chance to showcase himself, and if he fails, he becomes the long man or they trade him. I would like to see Drabek, but since his innings count was around 90-100 last year, I don't think they will want to place a full starter's workload on him yet and ask him to be ready to pitch 180 innings. I would expect to see him appear in spring training, start the year at Lehigh, and be a mid-season call-up if all goes well, unless dire circumstances force them to promote him sooner (somebody gets injured, etc.). Jota posted:Plus I keep seeing people say how Figgins had a great year and played over his head and then I look at the stats and just get confused. That is playing over his head? 
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jeffersonlives posted:The Mets have been connected to LaRoche at various points for several years so I agree with this. He'll be a little pricier than the other options, but at like 2/16 I don't think that's a problem. I agree, as long as Ike Davis won't be blocked, it'd be good to have a stopgap until he's ready, and LaRoche fits the bill. Everything I heard about Davis so far indicates that he's legit, and hopefully it'll stay that way until he's ready for the big time. I did post in the n/v thread yesterday in response to chutwig's post about Minaya doing something dumb like signing Figgins. I was curious since it could move Wright to first. As much as we like Wright, we have to admit his defense at third is a problem. However, the more I thought about it, blocking Davis is a bad idea, so I will stop thinking about this silly possibility. quote:I've heard this but I've also heard he may not want to return. There's a price at which bringing Cora back makes sense but it doesn't involve the words "millions" or "multi-year deal." Grit and determination is fine but this is a 34 year old player who is slightly above a replacement level talent, and also at this point a utility infielder who can't really play short. I'm with I CHALLENGE THEE about Cora. Even with a healthy hand, Cora is just not that good at the plate and a decent defender. The Mets could probably find a utility infielder that is just as good and an even better bat. The average Met fan seems to love him though. quote:I don't even know if Vlad would be interested in coming back to the NL, like Matsui he may be a DH only option. My "really bad feeling" (other than Damon) about left actually involves Manny. Manny still has one more year on his deal, right? I'm worried about Damon too, but it's more of a "Omar is going to sign him to a stupidly long deal based on his postseason" kind of fear. Damon would be an option of all other options are exhausted. If he can come cheap on a one year deal until F-Mart is healthy and ready, it wouldn't be that bad, considering he's still got a decent bat and some speed. Of course his arm in left is definitely a worry and Citifield's outfield is huge compared to New Yankee Stadium. Vlad's power numbers declined bigtime in 2009, and I'd think that trend would continue if he signs with the Mets.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 13:33 |
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The Goog posted:So I would absolutely sign Mike Cameron and relegate Ellsbury to being the 4th OF. He'd at at least hit better than Baldelli in that role. I'm leaning towards wanting Beltre instead of Nick Johnson, but really either one would be pretty good. I can envision Beltre rediscovering his bat slightly with the monster and his defense should still hold up. It almost sounds like it could be a repeat of what Lowell did after his disastrous 2005 and then coming to Boston. Buchholz doesn't have nearly the trade value he used to, so I very much doubt he will be in the mix for any sort of big deal involving the Felix Hernandezes and Adrian Gonzalezes of the world. But, like I would with Papelbon, if there's a good deal to be had I'd jump on it. I've resigned myself to believing that Holliday is going to New York, and it will probably hurt more than Teixeira because this time Boston really, really could use him.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 13:59 |
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OKCecil posted:Philadelphia Mariners. Give us all your former Mariners. We want them all. Sign Miguel Batista, too. This would really work out for me, being that I'm considering a move to the Seattle area. I could fall in love with players on the M's and then continue loving them on the Phils
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 15:13 |
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MLB Trade Rumors has posted their 2010 free agent list with projected Type A/B status for everyone's perusal: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/...mlb-free-a.html
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 15:17 |
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chutwig posted:MLB Trade Rumors has posted their 2010 free agent list with projected Type A/B status for everyone's perusal: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/...mlb-free-a.html That answers my question about Manny. I wonder if the Dodgers pick up his option.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 15:24 |
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Armitage posted:That answers my question about Manny. I wonder if the Dodgers pick up his option. It's a player option.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 15:36 |
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I think I'm the only Red Sox fan who isn't for some reason enamored with Mike Cameron. Dude is 36 years old, and he plays a position that isn't exactly easy on your body. Chances are he doesn't play the whole season for one reason or another. I put next to no faith in defensive statistics, but I'm sure Cameron is better. Offensively he's not much better, and certainly in his declining years. Ellsbury improved a fair amount from last year to this past year, so there's at least some chance he'll continue to improve. Ellsbury has a higher wOBA than Cameron this season. Bottom line for me is that if Cameron is your fix, its not much of a fix at all. He's only going to be helpful for a year or two at best even if he is an upgrade on defense over Ellsbury, and then you're right back trying to find another guy. Given the choice between and old guy whose claim to fame is fielding and a young guy whose defense was bad but appears to be a better hitter and is just coming into his prime, I'd prefer the young guy. Otherwise, CF becomes the same revolving door of poo poo that SS has become. If you can upgrade CF significantly then do it, but Cameron isn't much of an upgrade. Problem is, there just aren't any decent centerfielders available. I'd rather stick with Ellsbury and hope he can improve than get Cameron and hope his inevitable decline isn't this year.
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RalphTheWonderLlama posted:here's an effortpost Wow, what a great post! Thank you for posting in our forum. I hope you continue to post great posts in our forum for years to come.
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I wrote out a potential lineup for the Mariners last night, but realized it was pretty much the same lineup that was used this year, save for a different DH and maybe a few different pitchers. My thoughts: - Jack Wilson had bad luck at the end of the year with injuries. I think the front office might see that and pick up his option. Unless we trade for a SS (a Brandon Morrow for JJ Hardy trade sounds nice), there's really no good SS option available on free agency. If we give Jack one more season, that should hopefully give Carlos Triunfel the time to develop into the SS we want him to be. - DH, I'm not sure about. Hideki Matsui is a possibility of the Yankees decide to go younger, and not resign him. I know he's mentioned Seattle as the only other place he'd play (thanks Ichiro!). We could also play a minor leaguer, like Chris Shelton or Brad Nelson. Personally, I think the team will sign a veteran with some pop left for a 2 year deal. - The team will sign a higher-risk, but higher-reward pitcher, like Rich Harden. Harden, while known for breaking easily, only hit the disabled list twice, and the second time was at the end of the season, to which the Cubs didn't give a poo poo about him coming off because their season was doomed. He put up 141 IP, and could potentially be a 2.0 WAR pitcher. That's better than Erik Bedard. - Dustin Ackley might make his MLB debut halfway through the season. Hopefully we can keep him as a long-term left fielder with his pop. - Jose Lopez gets dealt for something. His 21 HRs (all of which never broke 415 feet) and aggressive batting is probably more valuable elsewhere. Maybe Jack can trick Dayton Moore or Omar Minaya again into getting us some good farm talent or some ready-to-go pitching. Felipe Lopez could be signed as our new 2B. I'm not sure if his 2009 season was a fluke, but he posted a 4.6 WAR. - Adrian Beltre is all but gone. Matt Tuiasosopo seems ready to play the position full time. Also, I have intangible reasons for liking this, mainly because Tui is a Western Washington native, a UW grad, and his brother led the Huskies to a Rose Bowl victory. - Ian Snell should post a decent season. When he fixes his release, he pitches well. When he doesn't, he gets shelled. This will be a priority for the pitching staff this spring training. There's more I could write, but I already wrote a lot  Overall, 2010 Mariners should be exciting and could easily be potential playoff players.
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