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Anyone have one of these? I was looking for something to carry IWB in the warmer months, any a friend loaned me his. He did mention the trigger pull for double was ridiculous (like 24 lbs), but he put in a 17 lb spring and polished some surfaces and its now at 12-14. It shot well, and felt pretty decent to me. The guy I was shooting with hated it. And the seems to be the consensus with people I talk to: hate it or love it. Also, it was very comfortable for me to carry at 4/5:00. I ordered one from J&G yesterday, and I'm about to get a Wolf 17lb hammer spring for it. Just curious who else might have one and hate it/love it. I also borrowed a CZ-82 and like that a lot. I think it's something I would shoot on a regular basis and enjoy, and the 9x18 can be had for pretty cheap. I'm likely going to pick one up as soon as my Type 3 FFL comes in (its on the C&R list). Now I need to find an IWB holster that I like for the 64.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 15:44 |
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| # ? Nov 22, 2009 01:41 |
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I've got one, and besides the almost two-handed DA pull it's a great little gun. Very accurate, though the small size makes it uncomfortable to shoot for extended periods of time. The only thing I have a problem with is availability of spare parts. TGI used to carry them but they don't seem to be on their site anymore. I had the trigger transfer bar thing break on mine and had to troll gunbroker for a couple of weeks. Other than that though it's been great. I'll try to answer any other questions if you have them. edit: Holsters. This is literally the only company that makes a IWB for the P64. If you can find one somewhere I'd get a Red Storm holster, though the company itself has gone out of business by now. Also, This board and it's corresponding home page can be of help. Forum Hussy fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 16:46 |
| # ? Nov 06, 2009 16:37 |
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Forum Hussy posted:I've got one, and besides the almost two-handed DA pull it's a great little gun. As mentioned, I've experienced one that was totally fixed. The trigger pull is like glass. I'll be doing this to mine under the supervision of my friend (who owns the fixed one). He's a SWAT guy and firearms instructor/amateur gunsmith. I'll be taking pictures if anyone is interested. Forum Hussy posted:Very accurate, though the small size makes it uncomfortable to shoot for extended periods of time. After putting 50 downrange, I pretty well found that out. But I'm fine with that. It's not for fun, it's for concealed carry. I'll scratch my fun itch with a different new toy (the CZ-82). This was also my first 9x18 experience. Its a hot little round. I was surprised. I was cautioned about spare parts availability. Fortunately, SWAT guy has a bunch of parts laying around. Any common failure points that you know of that might be worth keeping an eye out for deals on spare parts? Forum Hussy posted:edit: Holsters. Oooohhhh...nice. Thanks. I was also told most PPK holsters will fit somewhat, some of them fitting quite well (no surprise after handing both). I was going to try some test fitting at the local places once it comes in.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 16:59 |
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If you want something for compact 9mm carry, I'd really suggest you just go with the CZ-82. Between the Makarov, CZ-82, and P64 I'd have to say the CZ wins hands down for trigger pull right out of the box and just feel in general. If you really like the way the P64 trigger feels and the way the gun in general feels and fires go for it of course, but I'd suggest you give the CZ a try first. At least to me, the CZ feels like a real quality made firearm, the Makarov feels like a hefty but reliable Soviet made gun with a rough trigger (that can also be smoothed out without parts replacement if you're careful), and any P64 I've tried has felt like a hastily made knock-off that someone could have thrown together over the weekend in a machine shop. From what I can tell with a quick Gunbroker search the price of the P64 and CZ-82 are almost even. For that price, I'd gladly buy a CZ-82 if I had the money, but it'd have to be one hell of a nice feeling P64 for me to drop $250-$300 on. Edit: Another nice bonus is that both the Makarov and the CZ have holster options readily available, so you're not just limited to one manufacturer or trying to find a holster second hand. I have a Blade-Tech UCH kydex holster for my Makarov, and I know I've seen more options for both of those guns online during my searching. Veen fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 19:02 |
| # ? Nov 06, 2009 18:58 |
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Veen posted:If you want something for compact 9mm carry, I'd really suggest you just go with the CZ-82. I carried both to give them a try, and I'm buying both. But I'll not be as likely to carry the 82, as its significantly larger. I will try to find a good IWB for it in any case, but I will be buying that as a range weapon, primarily. Veen posted:From what I can tell with a quick Gunbroker search the price of the P64 and CZ-82 are almost even. For that price, I'd gladly buy a CZ-82 if I had the money, but it'd have to be one hell of a nice feeling P64 for me to drop $250-$300 on. You can easily get an 82 for $210, and a 64 for $160. J&G has them in stock at that price. In fact, that's where I ordered my 64 from yesterday. Edit: P64: http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/ha...sh/cPath/16_385 CZ82: http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/ha...us/cPath/16_155 Motronic fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 19:23 |
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I think the Aim Surplus deal on the vz.82 is slightly better. 2 magazines at 220, shipped. Also, I like their service, but I haven't had anything go wrong yet.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 00:35 |
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Motronic posted:I carried both to give them a try, and I'm buying both. But I'll not be as likely to carry the 82, as its significantly larger. I will try to find a good IWB for it in any case, but I will be buying that as a range weapon, primarily. For a good IWB for the Cz82, I've found the FIST k8 in kydex sized for a Makarov works well. It's true, though about carrying the 82: since it's a double-stack mag, the grip is very wide, and it can be hard to conceal sometimes.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 02:41 |
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I took mine apart when I was drunk and lost a part. Now it randomly locks the slide back. I am thinking it is a spring on the last round slide hold open bar. I asked a guy at a gun show if I could field strip one to see what I was missing and he laughed at me and said it doesnt even have a bolt hold open  Any chance you could take a picture of the inside of yours?
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 10:25 |
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JEEVES420 posted:I took mine apart when I was drunk and lost a part. Now it randomly locks the slide back. I am thinking it is a spring on the last round slide hold open bar. I asked a guy at a gun show if I could field strip one to see what I was missing and he laughed at me and said it doesnt even have a bolt hold open Which one? I'll be stripping and cleaning both of them like a mad man anyway when they come in, as per my ritual for used guns. I'll take pictures and post them if they're of any use to anyone. I was at least going to post what I do to the P64 to "fix" the trigger pull. The Sphinxster posted:I think the Aim Surplus deal on the vz.82 is slightly better. 2 magazines at 220, shipped. Awesome. That's a great deal. Plus basically free shipping. Unfortunately I don't have my FFL paperwork back yet and was hoping for the 82 to be the first thing in my bound book. Hopefully the deal is still around when ATF is done with my papers.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 15:07 |
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Yeah, the vz.82 seems to be a much better made gun than the P64, even if it's bigger. 9x18 is a reasonable defensive round, somewhere between 380 and 9x19 in capability. The biggest issue is that there aren't many good JHP choices - gel tests indicate the Silver Bear does well, but most everything else expands too quickly and thus achieves less than 10" of penetration. Even XTPs aren't great in this caliber, and they're the only handloading option of which I'm aware, since 9mm Makarov is a non-standard diameter, closer to 9.3mm.JEEVES420 posted:I took mine apart when I was drunk and lost a part. Now it randomly locks the slide back. I am thinking it is a spring on the last round slide hold open bar. I asked a guy at a gun show if I could field strip one to see what I was missing and he laughed at me and said it doesnt even have a bolt hold open Are you talking about the vz.82? There's a funny little wire spring that loops into the slide release, and it loves to come out when you disassemble the gun. It's also a bitch to reinstall and likes to bend in such a way that it no longer functions correctly. There used to be a guy out there who made new ones - the spring geometry is complex enough that it would be a bit tricky to bend it yourself and you'd really want to heat treat it afterwards. A better solution, if you've go the time and ability, would be to upgrade to the CZ-83 parts, which don't like to spontaneously disassemble themselves. I am told that CZ-USA will sell them to you, and one of their support guys will even tell you where you need to drill in order to fit the new parts to the 82. It'd be hard to get a good picture of it without disassembly the release, which I'm not going to do as reassembling it will make me very angry. Tetraptous fucked around with this message at Nov 07, 2009 around 17:05 |
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woops, I was talking about the pa-64.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 17:29 |
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JEEVES420 posted:woops, I was talking about the pa-64. Welp, I guess they both have lovely slide stops!
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 18:21 |
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ummm PA-63 or P-64? Both are chambered in 9x18 Makarov but one is FEG made and the other is Radom made. I dont see wehre people are saying the P-64 is shittly made. Poland has had a rep for high quality firearms for a long while and the P64 is a steel gun and feels solid to me, though some parts of it such as the trigger barrel do seem needlessly complicated and like to fall out if you remove both teh slide and grips at the same time. All that said i love the Vz.82...its definitely well made and 12 rounds are never a bad thing. Compared to other double stack 9mm pistols i'd say the Vz's grip isn't that fat. Please note though, completely disassembling the Vz is also a bitch and a half. Getting both is the best solution and what i did...for that money why not? The P64s have remained very stable in price for over 6 years. The Vzs have come down slightly since their introducttion to the surplus market 5 years ago. The one to me that feels less high quality made is the PA-63. I know its partly due to the aluminium frame but also FEG seemed to have looser talerences than the others. Also the PA-63 hates HP rounds.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 03:17 |
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PA-63 is pretty awful, and I've heard anecdotes of PA-63 frames cracking. On the other hand, FEG Hi Power clones are actually decent, and with some work can be turned into fine guns. Anyway, I still stand by my assertion that the vz.82 is a better made gun - fit and finish is excellent and the trigger pull is great for its class. I'm not saying the PA-64 is a bad gun by any stretch, but it's not the CZ. In my opinion, the vz.82/CZ-83 is the only Makarov "clone" which is actually better than the Makarov. But yeah, if you like 9x18, no reason not to get both! A decent bit more punch than 380 and plentiful cheap Russian ammunition.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 03:45 |
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Tetraptous posted:A decent bit more punch than 380 and plentiful cheap Russian ammunition. EDIT: The P-64 is pretty small and has a tiny magazine. Miso Beno fucked around with this message at Nov 09, 2009 around 04:07 |
| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:05 |
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Posted this: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...ber=19#lastpost I have 1 Vz.82 (CZ) left with 2-12 rd magazines in VG condition with only holster wear and in mechanical good shape. I think my price with shipping included still beats the others listed in this thread by $10 at least.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 19:53 |
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Miso Beno posted:While it is more powerful I wouldn't say it's a hell of a lot more powerful (its about 100fps faster on average than a .380 of the same weight). I'd also like to point out that there is no "PA-64" and that comparing a Radom made pistol to the turdtacular PA-63 isn't exactly fair for either gun. Excuse my typo. I wasn't really trying to compare the P-64 to the PA-63, more to the vz.82 which I think is the better gun. The PA-63 is more in vz.52 territory in terms of milsurp pistol quality, and is certainly the ugly duckling of the "Makarov-like gun" family. And I agree that 9x18 isn't a hell of a lot more powerful - it's certainly closer to 380 than it is 9x19. But it is notably more snappy than 380 in similar-sized straight blowback gun.
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| # ? Nov 10, 2009 04:20 |
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Tetraptous posted:I wasn't really trying to compare the P-64 to the PA-63, more to the vz.82 which I think is the better gun. I'm not sure how you make the comparison at all. They're totally different sizes appropriate for different purposes. I think its pretty clear that if someone were to be manufacturing those exact two weapons today as part of a line, the 82 would be the one to get in general, with the 64 being the "CCW version" or for people with small hands that don't comfortable fit around a double stack mag. In any case, its here:  The finish it much better than I thought it would be. It showed up wrapped in newspaper (thanks J&G!) and was in surprisingly good shape - clean, oiled, no cosmoline. Came with the standard "I need 2 fingers to fire this in double action" trigger pull. I hope to have some time to do the Motronic fucked around with this message at Nov 10, 2009 around 22:26 |
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Nice! What year did you get?
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| # ? Nov 11, 2009 08:06 |
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It's a 1971. And I put in the Wolff 18 lb spring. It was pretty easy:  You're going after the spring marked here. When you take off the hand grips, be careful. They require some gentle wiggling to get them off and back on. Don't pry or I'm sure they will crack.  Use a 1/16" punch to push out the pin indicated above. It's what holds the slide release in place (the mag release uses the main spring for tension). You shouldn't even need to tap this out. It comes out smooth. Do be ready to catch the main spring, as it will shoot off the back (to the right in this photo) once you get that pin out. Also, note the collar on the spring post/trigger mechanism. It goes above the main spring with the cupped side facing AWAY form the spring. Without this, the spring wouldn't seat properly at the top of the post.  Clean and polish the two pots indicated above with jewelers rouge. Don't get crazy - it's not necessary. Just make them nice.  Same thing on the back face of the post/trigger mechanism. It appears to rub against the slide lock on the back side - mine was visibly worn a bit, and obviously has paint removed past where it contacts (from the factory, or somebody who's had it before me). Probably doesn't make much difference, but I have it a light polish. It does still have some pitting/scratches. But I'm not going to get to crazy with it right now. Just wanted to make sure there were no burrs or gouges on it. Now the fun part - getting the main spring back in (after properly greasing what you just cleaned/exposed, etc). As mentioned, I used the 18 lb wolf. I re-seated the post in the trigger mechanism, pus the spring on and used the mag release to compress the spring. This is the tough part. Once you get it close, you can push the portion of the mag release that has the pin hole in it back into the gun frame and it will somewhat hold tension - you need to keep pushing the spring/post bad into the frame of the gun. At this point, I got my punch back in there through the frame and mag release and used it as a drift pin to push the pin back through. I have no way of properly testing the poundage of the trigger pull, but I can tell you it went from being hard enough DA to make my hand slightly shake to being like my Taurus .38 in DA. Still heavy, but not too much. Heavy enough to make me feel good about carrying in condition 2. SA pull is like glass. Before, it was nearly as heavy as the current DA pull. I need to get to the range and see how putting some down range makes it feel and if it changed anything/starts to wear in more/etc. At this point, I have to say I'm pretty pleased with the results.
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