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http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/05/aut...sion=2009110511quote:NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Ford Motor Co. said Thursday that it will begin equipping certain vehicles with inflatable seat belts that the company says will help prevent injuries in auto accidents. I learned 2 things from this article. First, that Ford was the first company to make a car with a seat belt. Next, that this is an awesome idea. Thankfully, I've never been involved in a major accident, but I have seen marks that a seat belt left on the clavicle/chest of others. This is a really good idea to distribute the pressure across a greater area, and people may be more likely to wear their belt. I wonder how long before other automakers follow. I would prefer to have a car with a seat belt airbag to one that doesn't, all other things equal. Is there some obvious reason I'm missing why they would put these just in the rear rather than also in the front? The article makes it sound like it would be for passengers only. I understand that rear-seat passengers don't have an airbag in front of them, but why not put them on all belts? johnny sack fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 18:03 |
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| # ? Nov 21, 2009 23:16 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnyhkBU1yaw The future is on it's way. edit: quote:I understand that rear-seat passengers don't have an airbag in front of them, but why not put them on all belts? Cost vs Gain. Front passengers have loads of protection, Rear seat passengers don't. it'll make a MASSIVE difference to them but a small difference to the front seat passenger. ToG fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 18:52 |
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ToG posted:Cost vs Gain. Front passengers have loads of protection, Rear seat passengers don't. it'll make a MASSIVE difference to them but a small difference to the front seat passenger. Pretty much this. Plus if a driver has his belt on, the most dangerous thing in an accident is most likely the 100+lb person behind him that is going straight into the back of their seat.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 19:00 |
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Having gotten a really really awful bruise and cut from a lap belt, I'm all in favor. These sound cushy!
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 19:23 |
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The Lexus LF-A also claims to have seat belt airbags. Which makes me wonder if it is the same manufacturer as Ford's, but Ford is making it sound like they developed it themselves.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 19:29 |
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decahedron posted:Having gotten a really really awful bruise and cut from a lap belt, I'm all in favor. These sound cushy! Ever so slightly off topic. I know Lap Belts aren't really 'safe', is there any way of converting these to a 3point?
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 19:41 |
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In case of water landing your seat belts may be used as flotation devices...
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 20:21 |
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Give me my 2.5 or 3 inch racing belts!
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 20:22 |
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ozziegt posted:The Lexus LF-A also claims to have seat belt airbags. Which makes me wonder if it is the same manufacturer as Ford's, but Ford is making it sound like they developed it themselves. Haven't these been used in civil aviation for quite some time?
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 21:13 |
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Some video of the new belts here: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10391812-48.html I'm rather torn on this. How is this supposed to be safer than a normal seatbelt? Seems like a 5-point harness would be better in every way. If we're really going for safety, why don't we have them? Ah well, if the thicker belt prevents my kids from getting the belt twisted in the buckle, it'll be worth it.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 22:19 |
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Five-point restraints have an unfortunate tendency to cause neck damage, is the reason I've heard for why you shouldn't run them on the street. vvv Oh, that makes much more sense. I always figured it sounded kind of bogus. Thanks. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at Nov 06, 2009 around 23:18 |
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Five-point restraints have an unfortunate tendency to cause neck damage, is the reason I've heard for why you shouldn't run them on the street. Um....no. You cant look backwards properly, As in you have a bugger of a time reversing! Also the use of 5 point harnesses precludes back seat passengers. Something about seat belts around their neck. And the kicker. If you are all nicely harnessed up and you roll the car, You cany avoid the large bit of metal (the roof!!!) coming for you!
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 23:03 |
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grover posted:Some video of the new belts here: Five points aren't inherently safer, and if not worn properly are liable to cause basilar skull fractures and spine compression. The cage is what makes race cars safe.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 23:16 |
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More importantly, people just won't wear or buy cars with a more cumbersome 5-point harness. Seatbelts have been available since the 50s, and usage rates still aren't great. As the Ford press release implies, these safety features do nothing unless people use them - so making them no more inconvenient or uncomfortable than current passenger cars is paramount. My only question with these seatbelts is how they'll work with child seats. The show a kid in a booster on the video, and that's fine for bigger kids. But for baby seats, even with the inflatable shoulder harness tucked behind the child seat, how will they ensure that it won't disrupt the safe installation of the seat during a crash?
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 23:18 |
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Tetraptous posted:My only question with these seatbelts is how they'll work with child seats. The show a kid in a booster on the video, and that's fine for bigger kids. But for baby seats, even with the inflatable shoulder harness tucked behind the child seat, how will they ensure that it won't disrupt the safe installation of the seat during a crash? Modern vehicles and child seats use the LATCH system for attachment, not the safety belts. The airbag seatbelts should be smart enough to not fire if they aren't buckled, so no issue.
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 23:32 |
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5 point harness, HANS device and a full face helmet. Everyone will use this, am i rite guys?
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| # ? Nov 06, 2009 23:56 |
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Pacinamac posted:5 point harness, HANS device and a full face helmet. Everyone will use this, am i rite guys? They'll also embed RFID tags in a nomex suit so you have to wear it to start your car.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 00:00 |
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Pacinamac posted:5 point harness, HANS device and a full face helmet. Everyone will use this, am i rite guys?
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 00:11 |
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hobbesmaster posted:They'll also embed RFID tags in a nomex suit so you have to wear it to start your car. I just had the worst (best) idea ever. Take the RFID chip out of your key, put it into a Prince Albert.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 02:10 |
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Advent Horizon posted:I just had the worst (best) idea ever. Take the RFID chip out of your key, put it into a Prince Albert. Unlocking your car with a pelvic thrust? Genius.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 03:26 |
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Pacinamac posted:5 point harness, HANS device and a full face helmet. Everyone will use this, am i rite guys? Open face, if it's closed the airbag will hit your helmet and break your neck.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 03:31 |
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Muffinpox posted:Open face, if it's closed the airbag will hit your helmet and break your neck. IT'S FOR SAFETY ps get on aim, jerk
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 03:35 |
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Pacinamac posted:5 point harness, HANS device and a full face helmet. Everyone will use this, am i rite guys? grover posted:And roll cage. I'd buy the gently caress out of any car that came like this stock.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 03:51 |
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No car ever will without forcing people to sign a waiver that says the maker can't be sued if Little Timmy decides to slam his head into the bars of the cage and give himself brain damage.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 04:13 |
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CombatWombat posted:No car ever will without forcing people to sign a waiver that says the maker can't be sued if Little Timmy decides to slam his head into the bars of the cage and give himself brain damage. Doesn't the GT2 or GT3 come with a (brightly colored) roll cage from the factory?
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 06:24 |
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Muffinpox posted:Open face, if it's closed the airbag will hit your helmet and break your neck. If your face gets anywhere NEAR close enough to the steering wheel for a airbag to actually be worth a drat in a full blown race car with full safety gear..... I think the risk of a broken neck would be the least of your problems.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 07:22 |
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Cat Terrist posted:If your face gets anywhere NEAR close enough to the steering wheel for a airbag to actually be worth a drat in a full blown race car with full safety gear..... I think the risk of a broken neck would be the least of your problems. I don't think the risk of a broken neck should ever be the least of anyone's worries.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 14:56 |
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Raluek posted:Doesn't the GT2 or GT3 come with a (brightly colored) roll cage from the factory?
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 17:28 |
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Raluek posted:Doesn't the GT2 or GT3 come with a (brightly colored) roll cage from the factory? I think it's an half cage that bolts into where the rear seats use to be, and is part of the "clubsport" package that also includes manual seats and 6 point belts.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 22:33 |
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I always remember hearing that Volvo invented the seatbelt and then gave the patent away for free to all the other auto companies. And why can't we have rollcages here in the US?
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 23:06 |
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Throatwarbler posted:I think it's an half cage that bolts into where the rear seats use to be, and is part of the "clubsport" package that also includes manual seats and 6 point belts. GT3 RS. I have no idea about it being optional, but every GT3 RS I've seen has had the cage in the back.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 00:08 |
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These have been in small aircraft for a few years now, and they really do work. A few weeks ago, a student at the flight school I teach at managed to crash one of the new Cessna 172's on takeoff, and the seatbelt airbag probably saved his life. The crash was hard enough to throw some items in the back seat about 15ft in front of where the airplane stopped, but the airbag kept the student from smashing his head into the yoke or instrument panel. Despite the aircraft being totaled (it's about $300,000 to replace), the student only required a few stitches and walked away from the accident.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 00:28 |
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Spor posted:GT3 RS. I have no idea about it being optional, but every GT3 RS I've seen has had the cage in the back. Its just a roll bar. Since it doesn't extend foward of the backs of the front seats its not nearly the safety risk to an un-helmeted passenger that a full cage with a halo and A pillar bars would.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 00:40 |
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b0nes posted:I always remember hearing that Volvo invented the seatbelt and then gave the patent away for free to all the other auto companies. And why can't we have rollcages here in the US? Wikipedia posted:Seat belts were invented by George Cayley in the late 1800s, though Edward J. Claghorn was granted the first patent (U.S. Patent 312,085, on February 10, 1885 for a safety belt).[14] Seatbelts been around for much longer than commonly known
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 01:08 |
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CombatWombat posted:No car ever will without forcing people to sign a waiver that says the maker can't be sued if Little Timmy decides to slam his head into the bars of the cage and give himself brain damage. Ever ridden in a Jeep?
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 01:53 |
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kill me now posted:Its just a roll bar. Since it doesn't extend foward of the backs of the front seats its not nearly the safety risk to an un-helmeted passenger that a full cage with a halo and A pillar bars would. Valid point. Regardless the bar is somewhat useless. I know the people that buy it probably take it to a track, but I'd assume the majority of them aren't good enough to put enough force in their driving to roll the thing. Along with the stock GTR it's something only rich rich lawyers/headgefund guys buy as a toy. Back to topic: Airbags in the back of the front seats still need to become standard. These seat belts are a good start.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 06:52 |
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Spor posted:Valid point. Regardless the bar is somewhat useless. I know the people that buy it probably take it to a track, but I'd assume the majority of them aren't good enough to put enough force in their driving to roll the thing. Along with the stock GTR it's something only rich rich lawyers/headgefund guys buy as a toy. Uhhhhhh, I imagine it's real easy to get fast enough to roll a GT3 blowdog, paging blowdog, threadid= 3225107
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 07:12 |
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Spor posted:Valid point. Regardless the bar is somewhat useless. I know the people that buy it probably take it to a track, but I'd assume the majority of them aren't good enough to put enough force in their driving to roll the thing. Along with the stock GTR it's something only rich rich lawyers/headgefund guys buy as a toy. That it's road legal as well makes it a good example of race safety technology that's at harmony with other safety laws. One issue is helmets. SA2005 helmets restrict visibility to bring the helmet farther around the face, it's one of the big difference between car racing helmets and M2005 motorcycle helmets which allow the rider/driver greater peripheral vision. HANS restrict head turning. If racing helmets and HANS were used for daily driving, this would be a huge issue and would require significant changes in mirrors and blind spot cameras.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 15:08 |
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Spor posted:
No no no no no. Then it becomes illegal to upgrade seats.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 15:30 |
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You gotta figure though that there must be some sort of sensor package built into the seat base. Removing the seats from the vehicle would likely be an issue, much less removing them and swapping a new seat onto the rails. This is annoying as it is so much easier to clean and detail a vehicle with the seats removed.
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