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I decided that polymer guns are not for me and put my XD 45 up for trade for either a 9MM pistol or .357 revolver. Per the thread title, someone offered a 92FS Inox in trade. Most of my research has indicated that CZ 75s are the way to go for a 9MM, so I really haven't read up much on Berettas. I've done a bit of reading now about the 92FS in general, but not found much on the Inox version in particular. So I ask you, is this a reliable 9MM worth trading for? Should I hold out for something else?
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 06:14 |
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| # ? Nov 21, 2009 01:02 |
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Huuuuge personal preference thing here. Me, I can't stand slide safeties, and I think Beretta 92s are pug-fugly in appearance. They're comfortable as hell in my hand, accurate and reliable enough to pass an Army torture test, but I could never own one due to the presence of the slide safety (goddamn ewww) and ugliness. There are plenty of nice guns with featuresets that I like better, and that are sexier to boot. So the answer to your question is: do you like it? If so, go to town. I think the objective "value" of the two guns is pretty close, so no one's really getting a steal.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 06:27 |
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If you are going Beretta, do a Vertec model. It has a flat backstrap, rail, and changeable sites. They are nice guns and fun to shoot. And unless you have stubby munchkin hands or religious devotion to frame safeties, the slide safety is not difficult to operate with your thumb.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 06:37 |
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Not a fan of slide safeties myself, but they do feel excellent in the hand.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 07:05 |
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I am a bit biased.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 11:00 |
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Why the dislike for slide safeties?
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 16:09 |
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a foolish pianist posted:Why the dislike for slide safeties? I think it comes down to the controls being in different places based on the condition of the gun. On frame mounted buttons/toggles/etc they're always going to be in the same spot. (Plus it's hard to reach on the 92FS unless you have giant hands)
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 16:20 |
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a foolish pianist posted:Why the dislike for slide safeties? Mostly because folks parrot what they've read, rather than basing opinions on actual firsthand knowledge. Unless you have womanly hobbit hands, a slide safety is not all that hard to work.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 16:33 |
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It's farther away from my thumb, ergo harder to work. It also takes up space on the slide, making it less of a positive surface to grab during slingshotting, clearing failures, etc.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 17:00 |
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It's not that it is that hard to work as it is going to get in the way of a proper reload. You should always slingshot the slide and the slide mounted safety is right in the way and could be activated inadvertently.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 17:00 |
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It should never be on safe anyway. The ONLY legit complaints I've ever heard about a slide safety is that it's in the way when racking the slide or it could be engaged while doing so. I've personally never had this happen with my 92. The inox versions are great too. Never shot a CZ75, so I'd say try both if you can, or at least check them out in a store. The CZ can be carried cocked and locked right? Where the safety is actually important. If you want to carry like that, might be a better option, otherwise the beretta is going to be double action for the first pull (no safety).
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 17:16 |
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I love me some Berettas, so I'd say yes without hesitation. The Vertec model is nice but I owned one for a while and I ended up going back to a "normal" frame Beretta eventually (for several reasons, one of which was that the older, larger grip felt more comfortable to me). The slide safety doesn't bother me much. If you're seriously worried about accidentally engaging the safety while operating the slide, send the slide in to Beretta and have them convert it from an F (decocker with manual safety) to a G (decocker only). That way even if you do hit the safety lever while working the slide, it'll automatically disengage as soon as you let go of it. The gun is always ready to fire. You could probably even do it yourself if you're mechanically inclined.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 17:21 |
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Fog Tripper posted:Mostly because folks parrot what they've read, rather than basing opinions on actual firsthand knowledge. Unless you have womanly hobbit hands, a slide safety is not all that hard to work. I'm not saying it is hard to work and that I wouldn't buy it as a result, merely that I prefer other types of safeties.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 17:36 |
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I own a 92fs dual tone and a 96fs inox and both of them have been pretty much flawless for me (just don't over oil them and then allow the chamber to grime up until its sandpaper like...but thats a bad idea with anything...I know of a guy who screwed up a glock and almost screwed up a beretta doing that...I don't know what else he was doing though...I'd imagine there was something else he wasn't admitting to). The beretta is a personal preference thing really...they fit my hands perfectly, but I have long fingers so I can reach every control on it in my sleep (my 92 has an oversized HUGE mag release I had installed...its the most hilarious thing ever in terms of how it looks...but it works amazingly well). I'd say you'd best see how one fits your hands if you have the chance...that would be ideal. I've fired CZ-75s and they are also excellent pistols...I'd have a hard time saying which I prefer actually (I intend to eventually get a CZ-75 among other things, right now I've got a 92fs, 96fs, 2 1911s (RIA 1911 GI with some modifications, and a Colt 1991A1), a CZ82, and a K22 Masterpiece...and two AKs (a crazy bullpup built off a Maadi and a pre-ban Norinco underfolder Type-56))...and there's always this desire for more.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 21:19 |
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infrared35 posted:I love me some Berettas, so I'd say yes without hesitation. The Vertec model is nice but I owned one for a while and I ended up going back to a "normal" frame Beretta eventually (for several reasons, one of which was that the older, larger grip felt more comfortable to me). The slide safety doesn't bother me much. FS slides cannot be converted to G configs on 90 series guns, although it is possible on PX4s.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 22:52 |
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Neo Mara posted:FS slides cannot be converted to G configs on 90 series guns, although it is possible on PX4s. I think they can, but it's a permanent modification. I guess I don't know for sure, but on a gunsmithing board someone mentioned being able to Dremel out the part of the slide where the safety detent rides, which prevents it from locking in the "safe" position.
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| # ? Nov 07, 2009 23:24 |
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infrared35 posted:I think they can, but it's a permanent modification. I guess I don't know for sure, but on a gunsmithing board someone mentioned being able to Dremel out the part of the slide where the safety detent rides, which prevents it from locking in the "safe" position. That's possible I suppose but I was thinking you ment a simple parts swap of the safety.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 01:32 |
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king of the bongo posted:I am a bit biased. Me too! (get a cz-75 you won't regret it)
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 03:33 |
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Whoa, lots of helpful advice---thanks, guys!devmd01 posted:Me too! (get a cz-75 you won't regret it) That would be my first choice for a 9MM and I might still buy one eventually. But sadly, no one's offered to trade a CZ-75 yet (not surprising if they're that well-loved). I *did* get an offer for a Sig P226, though, which I've shot before and enjoyed. And as it turns out, a couple of S&W revolver offers. Decisions, decisions.... Vorlonesque posted:The beretta is a personal preference thing really...they fit my hands perfectly, but I have long fingers so I can reach every control on it in my sleep "Turnquiet posted:And unless you have stubby munchkin hands or religious devotion to frame safeties, the slide safety is not difficult to operate with your thumb. My fingers are a bit short, actually, though I wouldn't say my hands are stubby munchkin hands (or Oompa Loompa hands or gully dwarf hands, thank you very much). I've got to admit, though, I don't usually trust safeties to tell me a handgun is safe;. If I go with the 92FS, I probably won't bother fiddling with it much as I'll be ensuring the chamber's empty and magazine ejected when not in use anyway. stangman posted:Never shot a CZ75, so I'd say try both if you can, or at least check them out in a store. There was a huge shortage of CZ75s in the Bay Area when I was first looking, plus the local ranges only had Glocks and Sigs for their 9MM selections, so I haven't been able to even see either one in person, let alone test them on the range.  stangman posted:If you want to carry like that, might be a better option, otherwise the beretta is going to be double action for the first pull (no safety). If I want to carry, period, I'd probably have to move out of California (or out to the boonies anyway, which I might wind up doing to hang my own shingle anyway). This is purely going to be a range and secondary home defense gun (my shotgun remains my primary HD firearm).
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 21:30 |
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My vote would be for the CZ given my owning an SP-01 and my buddy owning a 92FS that I've shot a lot. Both are great guns I just prefer my CZ. That all being said, if somebody is offering you a P226, then I'd definitely give that some serious consideration. Is it in good condition? I'd probably jump on that over a CZ.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 21:36 |
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lilspooky posted:My vote would be for the CZ given my owning an SP-01 and my buddy owning a 92FS that I've shot a lot. Both are great guns I just prefer my CZ. What tipped you toward the CZ? lilspooky posted:That all being said, if somebody is offering you a P226, then I'd definitely give that some serious consideration. Is it in good condition? I'd probably jump on that over a CZ. Supposedly very low round count, but I haven't seen it yet.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 22:13 |
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ibntumart posted:What tipped you toward the CZ? "Feels" more solid in my hand. They're both big guns but the Beretta feels.........full of "air"? Also the front site on the 92FS can't be changed, not that it's a huge feature, just another one. I liked the feel of the CZ better overall and it seems better built, not to say the 92FS is poorly built or anything it's just all a personal preference thing. I also shoot the CZ better. Along with aforementioned things about slide safeties and I don't personally care for decockers.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 22:15 |
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ibntumart posted:I *did* get an offer for a Sig P226 Thread just took a turn for the awesome.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 23:30 |
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Just tossing my .02 in.. I like grip and trigger safeties because just gripping the gun means I have one less thing I have to consider before firing. It makes drawing more simple and I believe the gun remains "Safe" no matter where it is stored.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 23:41 |
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Get the SIG
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 19:50 |
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I have pretty large hands, I love my 92fs, and I dislike the CZ75. It's just too small, it doesn't sit right in my hand. My only real gripe about the 92 is that the safety is the de-cocker. It just bugs me for some reason.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 20:39 |
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If you're getting a Beretta, the Inox is the one to get. I've got an Inox Neos and the finish is just terrific. Overall though I like both my 226 and CZ 40p better than any Beretta I've used. This is mainly personal preference for a decocker vs safety though.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 20:58 |
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Killgasm posted:Get the SIG or a 1911 Seriously, get the SIG.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 21:54 |
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:or a 1911 SIG 1911
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 22:10 |
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infrared35 posted:I think they can, but it's a permanent modification. I guess I don't know for sure, but on a gunsmithing board someone mentioned being able to Dremel out the part of the slide where the safety detent rides, which prevents it from locking in the "safe" position.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 22:40 |
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Hey, thanks again everybody for all the advice! After much deliberation, I decided I wasn't willing to trade for the Inox. In the end, I will be trading my XD for a S&W 586 that's seen minimal to moderate use. I also decided that I really want a Sig—perhaps more than a CZ75—and will scheme until I find a way to test both side-by-side at the range. (Well, you know, one after the other, not one in each hand, though that would be pretty loving sweet now that I think about it.) Killgasm posted:Get the SIG I so almost did! But I decided I didn't want to drive down to San Diego for it or pay the ungodly FFL fee in California, plus next day UPS/Fed Ex, to trade guns sight unseen. (My wife may have had to talk some sense into me here....) Still, when I'm in the market to outright buy, a Sig (even the certified used ones) might be the 9MM of choice for me. There's usually a few folks selling used ones for decent prices around here. For one brief moment, I wish I lived in Texas again as apparently Academy has a good deal on Sig P226s right now and there's one not a couple of miles from my mom's house.... Hmm. Anyone know if it's legal to have a parent buy an out-of-state adult child a handgun for a birthday present? (Only half joking.) Edit: Ah, never mind, it's just the SP2022 on sale. MazeOfTzeentch posted:or a 1911 That's next up after my revolver and 9MM cravings have been satisfied. I'm planning to drop a lot more on a 1911 that the other two when I finally make the purchase, though. I might even buy Virgin of Guadalupe grips to get my wife to practice with it, too. ibntumart fucked around with this message at Nov 10, 2009 around 01:44 |
| # ? Nov 10, 2009 01:19 |
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infrared35 posted:I think they can, but it's a permanent modification. I guess I don't know for sure, but on a gunsmithing board someone mentioned being able to Dremel out the part of the slide where the safety detent rides, which prevents it from locking in the "safe" position.
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| # ? Nov 10, 2009 06:44 |
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Wonder_Bread posted:SIG 1911 did somebody say Sig 1911?  
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| # ? Nov 10, 2009 07:19 |
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