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I have played almost all western MMOs on the market, but right now I can't find an MMO to play. I've played EQ2, Eve, WoW, Coh, Champions, Guild Wars, Puzzle Pirates, Runescape, Vanguard and a lot more, but I've quit all of them after less than a year. I'm looking for an MMO with a good crafting system that's not just a giant moneysink, but actually a viable way to play the game. A non-level-based system would also be nice, but it's not a requirement. I hope anyone can help me find one!
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 13:47 |
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| # ? Nov 22, 2009 02:01 |
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Sorry dude, you missed the boat ... that game was SWG.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 14:04 |
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RareBrit posted:Sorry dude, you missed the boat ... that game was SWG. I never played oldschool SWG, but I've heard goons praising it everywhere. But alas, it's not like I can play it anymore. Is there any games that still exist like that?
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 14:08 |
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You could try and get in the Dawntide beta. It's an up and coming indy sandbox mmo leaning towards crafting and pvp (as it is fleshed out). By the team who made WR/SoD.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 14:55 |
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Elswyyr posted:I have played almost all western MMOs on the market, but right now I can't find an MMO to play. I've played EQ2, Eve, WoW, Coh, Champions, Guild Wars, Puzzle Pirates, Runescape, Vanguard and a lot more, but I've quit all of them after less than a year. Sorry, but it sounds like you aren't cut out for MMO's. After trying (nearly) all of them you still haven't found something that clicks. Maybe look for a different genre?
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 16:53 |
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There are no good MMOs that have what you are trying to find. Every single MMO that attempts a non-level type system ends up being horrible due to balance issues and is slow as gently caress and revolves around horrible PvP mechanics.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 16:57 |
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Doh004 posted:Sorry, but it sounds like you aren't cut out for MMO's. After trying (nearly) all of them you still haven't found something that clicks. Maybe look for a different genre? The problem is, there is no other games genres that click with me. I might jump from MMO to MMO all the time, but it's still fun playing them up until the point where it isn't, and I quit.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 17:13 |
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Elswyyr posted:I have played almost all western MMOs on the market, but right now I can't find an MMO to play. I've played EQ2, Eve, WoW, Coh, Champions, Guild Wars, Puzzle Pirates, Runescape, Vanguard and a lot more, but I've quit all of them after less than a year. You should look into Fallen Earth.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 17:50 |
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you just sound like you get burnt out easily. Maybe next time when you are playing an MMO, have a few other games in your rotation so you aren't playing that game, every single loving day.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 17:58 |
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Doh004 posted:Sorry, but it sounds like you aren't cut out for MMO's. After trying (nearly) all of them you still haven't found something that clicks. Maybe look for a different genre? hahaha. Like it's necessary to have some sort of commitment to a MMO?
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 18:02 |
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DDO Is free to play now, unlimited. It's a fun game to play, I'm playing it since I let my WoW subscription run out, and it passes the time well. Give it a look-see. http://www.ddo.com I think all games need to get into the P2P/Free to play mindset, DDO claimed profits increased by 40% with the new set up, and Funcom has had it goin' on for a while with Anarchy Online.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 18:12 |
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Mr. Crane posted:DDO Is free to play now, unlimited. It's a fun game to play, I'm playing it since I let my WoW subscription run out, and it passes the time well. Give it a look-see.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 18:15 |
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Before I got a computer fast enough to play WoW, I played an MMO called Dofus. I enjoyed it, especially the turn-based combat, which let me watch tv and do business over the phone while playing. Just a thought. It's not quite as fruity as the home page makes it look, and I may go back to it at some point just for fun. http://www.dofus.com/en I think the "en" domain designation is because it also has a huge French following.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 18:24 |
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Atlantica Online http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...40&pagenumber=1
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 18:58 |
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Twigand Berries posted:hahaha. Like it's necessary to have some sort of commitment to a MMO? Meh, most of the time you're paying a monthly subscription fee, therefore you feel obligated to keep playing. Or you get involved with some raiding guild that makes you have a commitment. And no, I don't play MMOs anymore.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 19:11 |
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After a decade or so of playing MMO's, I've finally realized that getting drunk and getting into real fights is better then whatever PvP they have to offer. Eve is probably the best one out there. It's about the only one that isn't a pure time sink, but I can't make myself login anymore. I'd like to play right now, but when I think about what I would do if I logged in, I can't think of anything worth doing, and just say the hell with it.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 20:19 |
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I'll second Fallen Earth. It wore me out pretty fast, and the system requirements are ridiculously high considering what it looks like, but the crafting system is close to what I think you want. You can gather your own materials and make your own recipes. Most drops are crafting mats, and nearly all useful items are crafted. In theory this means not a lot of collaborative crafting, because unlike base stats and combat skills, all crafting abilities can be leveled at once on the same character. This will take a lot of time, though, so for now there is plenty of specialization. The only other game I would compare to this is Ryzom. I'm not sure you would like that one, because you can't really craft for yourself but instead find yourself crafting for other players, or just to skill up. Partly because of this there is a lot of giftgiving among players. You join a guild and they set about decking you out whether you want it or not. The really nice thing about Ryzom's system is recipes are fuzzy, and you have a lot of freedom when it comes to what you actually use as materials. Depending on your choices the end result will have various bonuses on it. These are pretty limited but it does feel, to me, a bit more like I actually made something. If nothing else this game is worth a look for its uniqueness and beauty, and the fact that it died twice and lived to tell about it.  trykers got my back
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 22:01 |
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So was EVE online's crafting and economy not deep enough for you? If so, I don't think the game you are looking for has or will ever exist.
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| # ? Nov 08, 2009 22:53 |
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I'll second Atlantica Online. You can craft just about anything, the markets are interesting to watch, and you can craft through combat or while away from your computer via auto-craft. There's even a dude in the Goon guild that's been sitting in his 60s for, what I'm told, months who does nothing but work the market and craft--needless to say, the dude is rich. The biggest downside is the queer Korean crap. If you find the right craft you can get a nice return on your investment without much problem. For example, about 4-5 days ago I started with 10mil to invest and now, if I hadn't been spending a ton on my characters, I'd have about 120-140mil. If I worked hard enough with the 80mil I have left I could easily double it in a day or two. Fun stuff. Rainbow_Horse fucked around with this message at Nov 09, 2009 around 02:09 |
| # ? Nov 09, 2009 02:00 |
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Anarchy Online
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 03:15 |
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haven and hearth. There's a thread here for it someplace. It's free alpha, but very playable. Almost the entire game is crafting, but it also has hunting and full pvp. There is a strong goon presence and there are no levels. Everything you do earns LP which you can spend freely to raise skills and statistics.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 03:22 |
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Sophian posted:So was EVE online's crafting and economy not deep enough for you? If so, I don't think the game you are looking for has or will ever exist. What other games would you say come close to the depth of EVE's crafting system? I got bored of the aspects of EVE that weren't crafting related, and am just looking for a new environment.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 03:33 |
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OP, you sound like a person who would like Garry's Mod, Wurm Online, and Dwarf Fortress (token dwarf fortress shoutout). e: maybe space station 13 but I could never figure that drat game out. Lorem ipsum fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2009 around 15:27 |
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Lorem ipsum posted:OP, you sound like a person who would like Garry's Mod, Wurm Online, and Dwarf Fortress (token dwarf fortress shoutout). I'm actually one of the admins at space station 13.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 15:51 |
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Elswyyr posted:I'm actually one of the admins at space station 13. I don't see a newbie guide in the OP for SS13, is there anything like that? I've always wanted to play but its kind of intimidating getting started.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 16:13 |
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Elswyyr posted:I'm actually one of the admins at space station 13. Well, that was a good guess then. Maybe you should try one of the other games in my post since you obviously aren't afraid to try esoteric stuff.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 16:29 |
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At the risk of hating myself later, Everquest 2 has the most robust crafting system I know of. Since you've already tried that, I don't know that there is a current MMO that is any better.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 19:28 |
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tadashi posted:At the risk of hating myself later, Everquest 2 has the most robust crafting system I know of. Since you've already tried that, I don't know that there is a current MMO that is any better. Do you have any comments about how it compares to EVE's?
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 22:13 |
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Crafting in EQ2 is one of the few things that the developers do a great job implementing. 9 primary tradeskill classes (level independent of adventure level) and 2 secondary tradeskill classes (dependent on adventure level). Crafting makes a ton of useful stuff both leveling up and end game. All crafting materials (except fuel) can be harvested or bought from the broker. There is crafting gear that makes you craft easier, group tradeskill instances and a ton of poo poo for crafters in EQ2. They get catered to more than either raiders or casual players. http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Tradeskilling That link gives a breakdown of the tradeskill classes, but some of their descriptions are off. Carpenters for example make primarily house items (for player housing and guild halls. Tinkering is the more useful of the secondary tradeskills because it lets you use items for feign death, evac and 20% power stones. Transmuters make adornments and can melt items. http://eq2.eqtraders.com That is the primary source of information on crafting in EQ2 and it's pretty exhaustive.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 23:02 |
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The first MMO the OP lists that he played was EQ2 as well... I'd second Dwarf Fortress though not strictly an MMO... EDIT: or at all an MMO for that matter.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 23:10 |
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Hughlander posted:The first MMO the OP lists that he played was EQ2 as well... No poo poo. And the post above mine asked about crafting in EQ2. Let's talk about things already written ITT. EDIT: Not that I was specifically replying to the OP, but if you crafted in EQ2 at launch or near it it's a totally different system now and no longer kills you when you gently caress up. bigperm fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2009 around 23:21 |
| # ? Nov 12, 2009 23:17 |
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Face of Mankind. There are no levels. The entire economy is player-run. Every item in the game is made by a player. You can make poo poo and sell it for profit or just make poo poo for yourself. Also you gotta factor in the costs of production and the sales tax if you sell stuff on the market. If you wanna fight, combat is determined by your own skill, your gun, your armour and if you are packing any healing items that you can pop real quick. Combat is FPS style. So basically, the gameplay is kinda like STALKER. Combat is almost entirely PvP. You should read up on it and learn about the different factions and whatnot. Currently it's in Closed Beta, but it should be hitting Open Beta in a little while. It took me a while to find another goon, but I did. Also let it be known that this game has a tremendously steep learning curve. Like holy poo poo after you log in the curve is at 80 degrees.
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| # ? Nov 12, 2009 23:54 |
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Darkfall, Fallen Earth, or EVE. If any of those games don't fit what you're looking for, then you definitely aren't looking for anything that currently exists.
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| # ? Nov 13, 2009 00:04 |
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Here is a battle in Face of Mankind. Remember, just your guns and your armour. The green guys on the right are the Freedom Defence Corps (FDC) who are basically the army. The red guys on the left are the Brotherhood of the Shadows (BoS), sort of like the "mafia". The BoS get ambushed vorting into this node. They got beaten quite severely. Click here for the full 1280x768 image.
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| # ? Nov 13, 2009 00:12 |
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Snayke posted:Here is a battle in Face of Mankind. Remember, just your guns and your armour. The green guys on the right are the Freedom Defence Corps (FDC) who are basically the army. The red guys on the left are the Brotherhood of the Shadows (BoS), sort of like the "mafia". The BoS get ambushed vorting into this node. They got beaten quite severely. I read up about the game, but the graphics are pretty dated. I lose the immersion with pre 2000 era gfx.
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| # ? Nov 13, 2009 00:18 |
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moolchaba posted:I read up about the game, but the graphics are pretty dated. I lose the immersion with pre 2000 era gfx.
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| # ? Nov 13, 2009 00:23 |
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Snayke posted:To be honest, once you start playing you either love it or hate it. The game itself is quite unique. You can't judge it on graphics alone. Unless of course you judge a game solely on graphics, then you'll probably hate this game. It helps. I have this huge monitor and this kickass video card. I have to put them to work and get my money's worth.
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| # ? Nov 13, 2009 00:51 |
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The answer to this question is always Wurm.
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| # ? Nov 13, 2009 07:38 |
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Snayke posted:Here is a battle in Face of Mankind. Remember, just your guns and your armour. The green guys on the right are the Freedom Defence Corps (FDC) who are basically the army. The red guys on the left are the Brotherhood of the Shadows (BoS), sort of like the "mafia". The BoS get ambushed vorting into this node. They got beaten quite severely. played it for a few days, met like two people and both wondered why the hell somebody would play this piece of poo poo. This was a while ago, though, the game might not be so dead now.
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| # ? Nov 13, 2009 22:23 |
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If you're a fan of Tolkein you might consider Lord Of The Rings Online. I got fed up with WoW after raiding felt like it was turning it into a job rather than a game, and I've really enjoyed LoTRO. All the classes are fun to play and it doesn't have a talent tree system (it has "traits" which work quite differently). You can make good gear through the crafting, the only downside to it is that unless you're in a kin (guild) you'll need several characters with different professions to supply each other, as each crafting profession usually depends on at least one other (i.e. a Tailor needs a Forester to supply him with leather).
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| # ? Nov 14, 2009 23:58 |
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