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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:15 |
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| # ? Feb 09, 2010 16:52 |
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What laptop has the best touchpad for Modern Warfare 2?
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:20 |
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Weinertron posted:What is wrong with you people. The MX518 is the only mouse. What the gently caress is that awful looking stuff on the mouse? Why does it look like that? It's like they plastered a graphic of leather with holes on it for some reason
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:20 |
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Blarticus posted:The only downside of having a wired mouse is when you have to do a full foot and a half 360 in Counterstrike and you yank the USB cable out of the back of the computer and it whips around and knocks your Doritos bag on the ground
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:21 |
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fleshweasel posted:Also these mice you're posting are all pointless as gently caress cause you should buy that one on woot.com Did this can't wait to get it. Thanks for the heads up.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:21 |
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Kaal posted:That's the standard low latency RF/Bluetooth connection. The reason that is particularly laughable is because the reaction time of the average human eye is at best 24 ms, and usually longer than that (94 ms) if you are tracking a moving target. That means that a wired mouse gets you a whopping best-case average of a 1 ms jump on your opponents. Hope you can think fast. It doesn't really matter for games, because it's still a tiny fraction of a second, but your logic is bad. If a player can react to something onscreen at 24ms, and is using a device that has a 24ms delay, his character is reacting about 50ms after the onscreen action. It really doesn't matter in the end though. I used to use a wireless mouse for games and had no problems with lag, but ditched it because it was a pain in the rear end if I forgot to charge it. I can tell you that there are mice out there that have far more than 24ms of lag, the worst offender being a friend's horrid little mini mouse that always had at least a half-second delay.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:23 |
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killaer posted:What the gently caress is that awful looking stuff on the mouse? Why does it look like that? It's like they plastered a graphic of leather with holes on it for some reason I got turned off by the looks initially too. I forgave it after years of use. It is just smooth good plastic, and those dimples aren't actually dimples. The entire case is nice and smooth and comfortable.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:25 |
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fleshweasel posted:Read my earlier post. Also these mice you're posting are all pointless as gently caress cause you should buy that one on woot.com
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:25 |
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Mogomra posted:I know that you're joking, but I've always wanted to try a trackball mouse like this. It would probably end up being complete poo poo, but you'd never have to actually move the mouse, just your thumb. I played games with a trackball for 3 years before the cord died on mine a few weeks ago. Now I'm using a ball mouse. being poor sucks.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:27 |
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http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/g...ls.aspx?pid=087 with USB sample rate set to 1000hz - all you need
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:27 |
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I use a Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 5000 and it works perfectly fine. I'm going to go ahead and buck the trend and say I prefer wireless mice precisely because they're heavier; a few years ago I got that Logitech pro-gamer mouse as a prize for something, and found it was easier to use if I loaded that little weight cartridge up completely with the heavy weights. Just use whatever feels the most comfortable to you and it'll be far more effective than whatever has the most scientific/technical/logical/pixie-dust proof behind being the most effective.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:27 |
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OpenOffice mouse http://www.openofficemouse.com/ nuff said
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:29 |
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MacGyvers_Mullet posted:It doesn't really matter for games, because it's still a tiny fraction of a second, but your logic is bad. If a player can react to something onscreen at 24ms, and is using a device that has a 24ms delay, his character is reacting about 50ms after the onscreen action. It really doesn't matter in the end though. I agree that 25ms is a very small amount, but 100ms isn't small at all in twitch-gaming, and if, say, most "who shot first" situations come down to something within 100ms, then a quarter of them (or an eighth if it was 100ms either way) will have the result changed by adding a 25ms delay. Probably actually more than an eighth since the distribution is likely to be a bell-curve around the zero-difference mark. Even one extra failure in eight would be pretty critical in a close match.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:40 |
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SanitysEdge posted:I use a Logitech G5. I've had my G5 for a bit over a year now. It's been very solid and I don't have many complaints. I got it on sale for 40$ anyway. The only thing I had to get used to was the groove for the pinky on the right side, but it really helps keeping a firm grasp on the mouse. The rough texture they put on it is awesome too. You didn't mention the weight cartridge which, while gimmicky, is one of my favorite features. You can feel the extra 36 grams you can put on it, and I feel the added weight makes my movements more precise. killaer posted:What the gently caress is that awful looking stuff on the mouse? Why does it look like that? It's like they plastered a graphic of leather with holes on it for some reason It's just the graphic they put underneath the plastic. The cover of the mouse is completely smooth. The MX518, according to mouse spergs, is the best out of the box mouse you can get. Take that with a grain of salt though.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:44 |
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Kaal posted:I find it hard to believe that someone's gameplay could be significantly affected by a latency of about 25 ms. I agree that the people who freak out about shaving off 1-2 ms and end up spending twice as much for their hardware are just being dumb about it, but 20ms is a pretty significant interval of time, 80 ms is about when latency becomes significant enough to be noticeable, so you're already talking about at least 1/4th of that, just from your mouse. That said, the other reasons people have mentioned for not liking wireless mice are far more important than latency will ever be. Batteries suck, charging your mouse up sucks, the added weight sucks. There are a handful of people who feel that getting rid of the cord outweighs all the crappy things about wireless, but for most gamers wired mice are going to end up feeling better.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:45 |
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killaer posted:Yeah, I'm looking into that one. It looks nice. Also, drat, your sensitivity is only 2.5? Mine is cranked up all the way to 7.5... Yeah dude, as far as pinpoint accuracy goes, lower sens is generally better. And I mostly play TF2, which definitely is suited for a higher sens than CS. I've heard some people use the guideline that from the center to near the edge of your mousepad should give you a 180 degree turn for Quake style games and a 90 degree turn for CS style games. I'm by no means a high level player and I don't have as many years of experience as the greats, but I find all this advice helps. I think that shaving milliseconds off can definitely help. For instance changing your lerp from the default 100ms to the minimum ~10ms in TF2 can make projectiles fire much more responsively. If you have the choice, and the cost/quality is the same, why not get the mouse with 24ms less latency?
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:50 |
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Miraculous Meat posted:It's just the graphic they put underneath the plastic. The cover of the mouse is completely smooth. The MX518, according to mouse spergs, is the best out of the box mouse you can get. Take that with a grain of salt though. I'm one of these mouse spergs. I have a pair of MX518s. I vastly prefer their optical sensor to a laser mouse, laser mouses have tiny skips that I notice. It may just be because I don't use a mousepad at all.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:53 |
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killaer posted:What the gently caress is that awful looking stuff on the mouse? Why does it look like that? It's like they plastered a graphic of leather with holes on it for some reason I got a metallic red/black one at target. It looks far nicer.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 04:53 |
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I would definitely go with one of the new logitechs. I have been using the same optical logitech mouse since they original max payne came out and I haven't had any reason to replace it yet because it still works well
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:06 |
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Gotta love my Microsoft wired optical mouse. This baby will never go out of style. I don't play games where I need more than two buttons and a mouse wheel, and I find that customizing the sensitivity in-game is enough for me. I'm not an elite gamer by any means, but I can hold my own in most shooters (I usually place in the top half of the leaderboard, often in the top 3). RTS games are another story, though, I haven't quite mastered the tank spam/zerg rush that works so well online. I think gaming mice are silly and experience and practice have a much greater effect on performance. Then again, I've never used one, so I'm talking basically out of my rear end. Question though--I've used those mice with the big ball, and I'm literally incapable of doing anything with them. What's the point? What kind of games do they help in?
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:06 |
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Unless you're competing at the highest levels, your mouse doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with your performance as long as it's configured correctly and isn't a trackball or something retarded. I use a G9 now because the frictionless scroll wheel and the adjustable dpi is awesome, but I did just fine in competitive play with the two button Dell mouse that I picked up from a friend for free. If you use a regular mousepad, buying a decent cloth mat will set you back all of 15 bucks and probably make a much more noticeable difference.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:10 |
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mp5 posted:Anything marketed by Fatal1ty Slumpy posted:Haha oh god no  I feel ashamed to own a sound card branded with his hideous visage.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:27 |
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The Aftershave posted:
He's not really hideous, he's actually pretty hot compared to the average pro gamer
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:28 |
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I hope he's suitably embarrassed about having picked the name fatal-one-ty back when he wasn't famous, and being stuck with it now.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:29 |
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LSD posted:holy-table-breakage batman! it's a trackball! Yes. Newegg still sells 'em too, love mine on htpc as a "remote" (don't buy the antec IR remotes, they are crap, and I use boxee so I don't need a bajillion buttons on an MCE remote) just... no fps these are RTS monsters. Got in on the woot, thanks for the heads up. Been hearing great things about the mx518 but for such a 1337 price it had to be done.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:30 |
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nodadchad posted:Did this can't wait to get it. Thanks for the heads up. i own that exact mouse and it owns grats bro
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:31 |
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giZm posted:http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/g...ls.aspx?pid=087 with USB sample rate set to 1000hz - all you need Listen to this man. It's a little more difficult to set the polling rate in x64 operating systems, but you should still do it, makes a huge difference in 'feel'. Also, depending on how good your computer is, you might want to get some configs for CS so you are sure it runs 100 fps all the time.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:36 |
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Weinertron posted:What is wrong with you people. The MX518 is the only mouse. What's up with this trend of foot-thick "ergonomic" mice, are there really people who need to rest their entire hand across the mouse? I tried one of these at a store and it was like trying to play a game by shoving a brick around the desk. Mr_Person fucked around with this message at Nov 09, 2009 around 05:39 |
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Mr_Person posted:What's up with this trend of foot-thick "ergonomic" mice, are there really people who need to rest their entire hand across the mouse? I tried one of these at a store and it was like trying to play a game by shoving a brick around the desk. This is the only way I can really use mice anymore. I have a hard time with a mouse that I don't hold like a rock while resting my entire massive hand on it. The MX518 may not be the best mouse possible, but I can only really use ones like it now. 
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:41 |
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A good laser mouse is a dime a dozen these days, and you don't need much more then that.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:45 |
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I'm a big fan of Razer. Ever since my first mouse of theirs - the Boomslang, I think - I've been a loyal customer. They feel good, and can be as in-depth customizable or as simple as you want them to be. The company seems like they're doing interesting things, such as the speakers they developed with THX, so I don't mind supporting them. I've had wireless mice work in FPS games, but also sometimes there is a delay which makes the game unplayable. Wired mice always work.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:47 |
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i've used a lachesis for a year or two and i find it to be pretty comfortable with great response times i usually just turn down my sensitivity to say .6 in a source game and set dpi at 4000
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:48 |
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Allow me to give an opinion on the MX518, great mouse, great functionality, fits the hand very well, big ol' lemon. I love them, but I've bought 4 in 2 years, they just have so many issues and keep breaking so drat easily. In the meantime I've been using a crappy $10 mouse to for the last 2 years and still works fine.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:58 |
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Mogomra posted:I know that you're joking, but I've always wanted to try a trackball mouse like this. It would probably end up being complete poo poo, but you'd never have to actually move the mouse, just your thumb. Trackball mice aren't complete poo poo when you get used to them. I've been using this for years now and I can't stand using regular mice any more. I tried looking for something more recent and bought the one you linked a few months ago but it broke so now I'm back to the one I linked. I'd suggest at the very least trying it out. just noticed the price on the microsoft mouse i linked. guess they don't make them anymore? it's a really good mouse but i would not suggest paying 100$+ for one
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 05:59 |
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The Bramble posted:I've had problems with wired mice rarely losing their connection or whatever. Not something you notice browsing the internet, but very frustrating while gaming. Are you on windows 7? I've had this same issue lately.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 06:07 |
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Use one of these 
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 06:08 |
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Mrens posted:Allow me to give an opinion on the MX518, great mouse, great functionality, fits the hand very well, big ol' lemon. I love them, but I've bought 4 in 2 years, they just have so many issues and keep breaking so drat easily. I've bought 2, both are going strong. My oldest one was bought years ago... 2005 or 2006 if I had to guess. I use them a lot, and abuse them, and haven't had one fail yet.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 06:14 |
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Phyresis posted:I've been using a (wireless) Logitech MX Revolution for almost a year now, and it's loving terrible for gaming. The dumb thing flips the gently caress out all the time, like the cursor spazzes out and that is just awful for FPS gaming. I have to recharge it fairly often and it just doesn't ever "feel" right, no matter how I tweak the cursor speed. I'm gonna order that woot deal Salmosa right now as soon as I read some reviews of it. I think your mouse may be broken, I have the same mouse and have been using it since Boxing Day last year. The mouse holds a charge for well over 2 weeks with moderate to heavy use, has only lost connection once in the whole time I have had it (software automatically updated while I was playing, fixed the setting and haven't had the issue since)and the size is great for my size of hands, and the mouse feels almost as right as my cherished mx10. The curser is accurate and I have no trouble tracking moving targets in games. Get your bill of sale, call logitech and get that poor revolution looked at because your description doesn't sound anything like the small sample of users I know including myself who all love the mouse.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 06:23 |
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I use a Logitech G5. It's nothing special, but it suits me.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 06:38 |
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Tossing in my love for the MX518. Ive been using this one for about 5 years and only just now my mouse wheel stopped working. Other than that everything else about the mouse works like the day I got it.
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| # ? Nov 09, 2009 07:45 |
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