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King of Bleh: Mar 2, 2007; A kingdom of rats.

You mean SotW3?

e: which I guess would have to be a "up" kingdom versus a "down" kingdom since the 4 cardinals have been taken now

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:42

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# ? May 19, 2013 17:45

Mills: Jun 13, 2003; I had a dream I could buy my way to heaven ~ When I awoke I spent that on a necklace ~ I told God I'd be back in a second ~ Man, it's so hard not to act reckless

I don't remember a second one but it doesn't count if there wasn't two threads.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:43

Quandary: Jan 29, 2008; I pledge allegiance to the Crimson and Cream

Ecco was king in SotW 2

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:43

Quandary: Jan 29, 2008; I pledge allegiance to the Crimson and Cream

Mills posted:

I don't remember a second one but it doesn't count if there wasn't two threads.

And Varinn was the other king, in a seperate thread.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:43

Mills: Jun 13, 2003; I had a dream I could buy my way to heaven ~ When I awoke I spent that on a necklace ~ I told God I'd be back in a second ~ Man, it's so hard not to act reckless

Oh wow I missed a whole generation.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:43

Mills: Jun 13, 2003; I had a dream I could buy my way to heaven ~ When I awoke I spent that on a necklace ~ I told God I'd be back in a second ~ Man, it's so hard not to act reckless

Well, whatever.

It's time for the third one.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:44

King of Bleh: Mar 2, 2007; A kingdom of rats.

Mills posted:

Oh wow I missed a whole generation.

There was a dark horse cross-thread SK team win, it was pretty amazing

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:44

Mills: Jun 13, 2003; I had a dream I could buy my way to heaven ~ When I awoke I spent that on a necklace ~ I told God I'd be back in a second ~ Man, it's so hard not to act reckless

So basically the results were never surprising.

MiR beat Xythar and then Ecco and Varinn both managed to lose.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:45

Jose Valasquez: Apr 8, 2005; Bzzt Bzzt!

Xythar posted:

Avoiding playing the game day 1 is a difficult task that requires Jose's full attention.

Not scum hunting doesn't mean I'm not playing.

I make plenty of game relevant posts on day 1.

rear end.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:47

Ridonkulous: Jan 11, 2006; I gotta take a leak. When I get back, we're doing body shots.

zzyzx posted:

And is anyone starting any totally cool games soon?

My game.
Baron Munchausen

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:56

SlothBear: Jan 25, 2009

Hey mafia buddies.

I've played six games here now. I've pretty much come to the realization that I'm terrible as scum after losing the last two game as scum (and my first game as scum the scum won but no thanks to me). I think it's because I like actually trying to catch scum as town and when you're the scum it's a lot more of a waiting game and you post what you're expected to post and you know what's happening and it becomes a chore. Sort of like watching a movie you've already seen.

So, what can you do to enjoy playing scum?

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:57

Xythar: Dec 22, 2004; echoes of a contemporary nation

Jose Valasquez posted:

Not scum hunting doesn't mean I'm not playing.

I make plenty of game relevant posts on day 1.

rear end.

Being purposefully scummy is a difficult task that blah blah blah

I dunno, I guess my point is that if you don't scum hunt on day 1, someone else has to scum hunt on day 1. If nobody scum hunted day 1, then day 2 would be exactly the same as day 1 and so on. It's social loafing, and it also means you expect to receive a free pass for essentially acting the same way day 1 as scum would.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 05:59

Shitty_Wok: Apr 28, 2009; utmost class

SlothBear posted:

Hey mafia buddies.

I've played six games here now. I've pretty much come to the realization that I'm terrible as scum after losing the last two game as scum (and my first game as scum the scum won but no thanks to me). I think it's because I like actually trying to catch scum as town and when you're the scum it's a lot more of a waiting game and you post what you're expected to post and you know what's happening and it becomes a chore. Sort of like watching a movie you've already seen.

So, what can you do to enjoy playing scum?

Well, although I've never actually made it past pg 3 of a game as scum, what I've heard is just play like you're town. That is, make cases exactly like you would as scum. When it comes to bussing... well I haven't gotten that far yet, but I see it sort of like this. If I'm on a scum team with Merk, let's say, then I would tell him to bus the poo poo out of me because he's better at scum than I am and if he pushes for my lynch and can get me lynched, it's instant townie cred for him. I guess it's about recognizing your importance. Team win and all that.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:02

trajanmax: Apr 19, 2007; People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well, that's my burden, I guess.

Mills posted:

I regret not being King of one of the Soldiers of the Wasteland threads now.

I should have accepted when it was asked of me.

What have I done?

_{Let's run SotW2 already.}

I support this. And I also want to be king, just so I can post this a lot:

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:02

winvirus: Jan 23, 2009; ~Best Mafia Player Ever~

i am the best at day 1 scumhunting

i basically think really hard and then it usually becomes clear

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:02

EccoRaven: Aug 15, 2004; _{you're standing on my neck}

King of Bleh posted:

There was a dark horse cross-thread SK team win, it was pretty amazing

When the setup was posted it was actually 100% expected.

quote:

MiR beat Xythar and then Ecco and Varinn both managed to lose.

Also not true; I won by having Varinn die, it's just, I died the next day allowing the SKs to win.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:02

Shitty_Wok: Apr 28, 2009; utmost class

So, I was thinking, I see soru did Dark Tower Mafia, which is excellent. Great series (up to Wolves of the Calla). And I'm a big Stephen King fan.

Okay so what I'm going to do is scrap my previous announcement of R&R Hall of Fame Mafia, in favor of something a bit more exciting.

The Stand Mafia. A game for 26 players.

I'll need to hook up with my book to write the flavor (and obviously it's not coming any time soon - queue and all that), but I figure I could put it out there that I want to run it and see what people think of the idea.

Shitty_Wok fucked around with this message at Dec 2, 2009 around 06:09

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:06

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

I'm looking for a co-mod for my large game. Anyone who's interested, please get in touch with me either through PM or AIM (starlightzorn, just because I'm away doesn't mean I'm not there).

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:08

Synx: Nov 6, 2005; Dentistry? I can't even believe that's something that's real.

Shitty_Wok posted:

So, I was thinking, I see soru did Dark Tower Mafia, which is excellent. Great series (up to Wolves of the Calla). And I'm a big Stephen King fan.

That was such a good series, but seriously, when stephen king wrote himself into the 6th (5th ?) book I was just like ok come on what the gently caress. the first four books loving were so good though.

Shitty_Wok posted:

Okay so what I'm going to do is scrap my previous announcement of R&R Hall of Fame Mafia, in favor of something a bit more exciting.

The Stand Mafia. A game for 26 players.

This is awesome. I was thinking about a setup for this a while ago and I couldn't figure out how it would work as a mini, considering there are a million characters. Didn't even think of a big game.

Shitty_Wok posted:

but I figure I could put it out there that I want to run it and see what people think of the idea.

Yea loving do this.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:11

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

EccoRaven posted:

When the setup was posted it was actually 100% expected.

Also, you're just bitter

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:12

SlothBear: Jan 25, 2009

Shitty_Wok posted:

Well, although I've never actually made it past pg 3 of a game as scum, what I've heard is just play like you're town. That is, make cases exactly like you would as scum. When it comes to bussing... well I haven't gotten that far yet, but I see it sort of like this. If I'm on a scum team with Merk, let's say, then I would tell him to bus the poo poo out of me because he's better at scum than I am and if he pushes for my lynch and can get me lynched, it's instant townie cred for him. I guess it's about recognizing your importance. Team win and all that.

This is good advice on how to play well as scum, but I was more looking for how to enjoy it! This approach gets pretty formulaic after several days of it.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:13

Savahontas: Jun 13, 2005; I say..
Yea buddy!
Rolling like a big shot,
Chevy tuned up like a Nascar pitstop

SlothBear posted:

This is good advice on how to play well as scum, but I was more looking for how to enjoy it! This approach gets pretty formulaic after several days of it.

Aw, you are not horrible AT ALL in Action Heroes.

I hope you enjoyed it, I really liked your flavor in the night action PMs.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:17

Shitty_Wok: Apr 28, 2009; utmost class

SlothBear posted:

This is good advice on how to play well as scum, but I was more looking for how to enjoy it! This approach gets pretty formulaic after several days of it.

I don't remember which game it was - Illandir was scum, and someone else too, and they were basically like "So here's what's up, we're scum, so the survivor can either vote with us and win or vote with the town and lose. Your call." Nobody ever really truly enjoys their alignment until they've got the other side over a barrel. (See also: 50 in that game where as town he got the scum to claim)

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:18

busb: Mar 19, 2009; busb!

Savahontas posted:

Aw, you are not horrible AT ALL in Action Heroes.

I hope you enjoyed it, I really liked your flavor in the night action PMs.

This is the truth, you played quite well really, and if you had picked up the cues i left snowberries and night messaged me it might have been different!

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:22

Xythar: Dec 22, 2004; echoes of a contemporary nation

Shitty_Wok posted:

I don't remember which game it was - Illandir was scum, and someone else too, and they were basically like "So here's what's up, we're scum, so the survivor can either vote with us and win or vote with the town and lose. Your call." Nobody ever really truly enjoys their alignment until they've got the other side over a barrel. (See also: 50 in that game where as town he got the scum to claim)

Claiming scum is a bad idea pretty much 100% of the time, fyi. Action Heroes should be the proof of that.

Playing as scum is really only fun when you manage to orchestrate a victory against impossible odds, I usually don't enjoy it either.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:28

King of Bleh: Mar 2, 2007; A kingdom of rats.

SlothBear posted:

So, what can you do to enjoy playing scum?

The cognitive dissonance involved in pretending to be town so hard that you can actually bring yourself to believe the cases you are making on players you know are town is just as fun as the logic puzzle flip side of the game, imo.

Don't play scum from a mentality where you're faking it, just take your alignment as a slight handicap for your goal of finding the illuminati-like REAL SCUM in the game, who could be ANYONE!! (It helps if there actually is a second scum faction, but if not just pretend)

e: basically play every game as a massive conspiracy puzzle, no matter your alignment

King of Bleh fucked around with this message at Dec 2, 2009 around 06:33

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:29

Clearly Not Amish: Jun 19, 2009; by Tiny Fistpump

Tom Tucker posted:

Everyone needs to get through their heads that not posting and lurking are two completely different things and always have been.

How are they different?

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:34

Shitty_Wok: Apr 28, 2009; utmost class

Xythar posted:

Claiming scum is a bad idea pretty much 100% of the time, fyi. Action Heroes should be the proof of that.

Playing as scum is really only fun when you manage to orchestrate a victory against impossible odds, I usually don't enjoy it either.

Well it was a situation where it didn't matter that they scum claimed because they were going to win regardless; the only question was whether or not the survivor wanted to win or not. It was an awesome ending.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:36

Xythar: Dec 22, 2004; echoes of a contemporary nation

Shitty_Wok posted:

Well it was a situation where it didn't matter that they scum claimed because they were going to win regardless;

If this was actually the case the game would already have ended, so I think you're remembering something wrong

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:41

SlothBear: Jan 25, 2009

Thanks Sava! I loved everything about the game except the fact that I was scum in it, so don't take this as a criticism of your modding. Although I do wish I had picked someone who had a PR I could actually do. But you are a great mod I'll jump at a chance to play in one of your games again.

lovely Wok, I'm not sure I agree. When you get to the point you've got the other side bent over a barrel the game is pretty much over. I like the buildup more as town and learning something more each day and going back over it all again to see what makes sense and what doesn't with what you've learned more ... which I think is the problem with scum you don't get that progression, you know about as much at the end of the game as you did at the beginning.

And busb/Xythar ... well I'll say more when the game is officially over.

King of Bleh. Gooood idea.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:41

zzyzx: Mar 2, 2004

SlothBear posted:

This is good advice on how to play well as scum, but I was more looking for how to enjoy it! This approach gets pretty formulaic after several days of it.

Talk with your teammates OOT about interesting stuff. Scum is essentially drawing the short straw and waiting things out until night actions come out in your favor or don't.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:45

Shitty_Wok: Apr 28, 2009; utmost class

SlothBear posted:

lovely Wok, I'm not sure I agree. When you get to the point you've got the other side bent over a barrel the game is pretty much over. I like the buildup more as town and learning something more each day and going back over it all again to see what makes sense and what doesn't with what you've learned more ... which I think is the problem with scum you don't get that progression, you know about as much at the end of the game as you did at the beginning.

The only time I have really had to experience being scum was in Answering Question Mafia, which was 12 vanilla townies and 1 cult recruiter (winvirus...), who was answering everyone's questions under the guise of the mod. He recruited me N1 and Tagov N2... and then that son of a bitch suicided. Said it would be funnier seeing me and Tagov try to work our way out of it. Somehow we won but I do remember feeling really paranoid about being found out.

I guess I sort of equate being scum to how Matt Damon or Leo DiCaprio felt in the Departed.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:45

Quandary: Jan 29, 2008; I pledge allegiance to the Crimson and Cream

I enjoy town overall a lot more than scum. Actually scum hunting is the fun part of mafia for me, trying to fit in and getting all stressed out when pressure gets on you isn't nearly as enjoyable.

Best case scenario though, I'm a town mason. God I love being a town mason, it's all the fun of being town with all the fun of being able to talk to people OOT. Keeps me a lot more interested in the game as well.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:47

amaranthine: Aug 27, 2009; I AM A TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING

Shitty_Wok posted:

So, I was thinking, I see soru did Dark Tower Mafia, which is excellent. Great series (up to Wolves of the Calla). And I'm a big Stephen King fan.

Okay so what I'm going to do is scrap my previous announcement of R&R Hall of Fame Mafia, in favor of something a bit more exciting.

The Stand Mafia. A game for 26 players.

I'll need to hook up with my book to write the flavor (and obviously it's not coming any time soon - queue and all that), but I figure I could put it out there that I want to run it and see what people think of the idea.

MY LIFE FOR YOU

No, seriously, I would be all over this.

Also, being from cleveland, I have to say the rock and roll hall of fame is pretty much the most overrated tourist attraction in the US. So good choice.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:51

Mills: Jun 13, 2003; I had a dream I could buy my way to heaven ~ When I awoke I spent that on a necklace ~ I told God I'd be back in a second ~ Man, it's so hard not to act reckless

Xythar posted:

Claiming scum is a bad idea pretty much 100% of the time, fyi.

NFL Mafia disagrees with you.

# ? Dec 2, 2009 06:53

Dead Cow: Nov 3, 2009; Passion makes the world go round.
Love just makes it a safer place.

I would be so down for Stand mafia

M-O-O-N that spells Mafia

# ? Dec 2, 2009 07:58

Varinn: May 3, 2005

it'll just get to lylo and the mod will modkill the last scum anyway

# ? Dec 2, 2009 08:03

Look Under The Rock: Oct 20, 2007; you can't take the sky from me

Quandary posted:

I enjoy town overall a lot more than scum. Actually scum hunting is the fun part of mafia for me, trying to fit in and getting all stressed out when pressure gets on you isn't nearly as enjoyable.

Best case scenario though, I'm a town mason. God I love being a town mason, it's all the fun of being town with all the fun of being able to talk to people OOT. Keeps me a lot more interested in the game as well.

Masons in general is a great role if your mason is awesome, it's like having a gossip buddy!

# ? Dec 2, 2009 09:05

flatluigi: Apr 22, 2008; here come the planes

I just usually share my thoughts with the mod. It's all the pleasure of talking to another player without them sharing any of their pesky opinions!

# ? Dec 2, 2009 09:08

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# ? May 19, 2013 17:45

dy.: Dec 6, 2003

I just accuse every player of being scum on Day 1 so then when the game ends I can feel vindicated at having perfectly predicted the scum team on Day 1

# ? Dec 2, 2009 14:32

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