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I've read and enjoyed a couple Japanese novels lately: Soji Shimada's The Tokyo Zodiac Murders. I'm not a mystery buff, but Soji Shimada seems to be one of the top contemporary mystery writers in Japan. It's a shame that this is his only book available in English. I liked this one, but the solution to the case was something that I had seen before. Shuichi Yoshida's Villain. This book does a good job of capturing a lot of the loneliness and social problems that young people face in Japan. I would recommend it based on those aspects.
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I just finished reading Yasutaka Tsutsui's short story collection Salmonella Men on Planet Porno and absolutely loved it. The whole thing is written is such a cheeky, bizarre, matter-of-fact way - it really delivers a lot of insight and interesting commentary on modern people and how they think. There's all sorts of hilarious little passages. I think my favorite bit was this one tiny part that explains nobody knew why this one thing was happening, and that "the author didn't know either". I read the Kindle edition and wound up highlighting a lot of different parts of this.
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I skimmed through this thread, and I didn't see any mention of Akutagawa's Kappa. That was by far my favorite novel I read out of all of my Japanese lit classes (Cogwheels was also amazing, and it was extra crazy after you hear that it was actually a depiction of Akutagawa's own descent into hallucinations & madness). I ended up writing quite a lengthy paper on Kappa and all of the socioeconomic implications and issues Akutagawa brought up in the book. It really struck a chord with me because it showed a picture of life and politics in Japan in the 1920's while still having Akutagawa's great storytelling behind it. Anyone else here read Kappa? If so, what did you guys think about it? I chose the book independently from the class, so we never actually read it in class, and I never got to discuss it with anyone else. Also, another book I didn't really see mentioned (but probably was) was Kawabata's The Master of Go. That was a really fun book for me to read as well. I find myself really enjoying the Japanese books that involve more of Japan's history, social commentary, political issues, etc. The Pillow Book was fun, and I guess I've gotta start on Genji sometime soon. Edit: I'm a little surprised at how slow-moving this thread is. I figured with a whole subforum dedicated to anime and manga, more otaku-y goons would've dipped their toes into actual Japanese lit. I love Japanese literature (I don't really watch anime or read manga though); I think it's some of the most interesting and engaging stories out there, and more people should definitely look into it. I particularly love their ghost stories! Does anyone have any good ghost story suggestions? moechae fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 29, 2012 |
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moechae posted:Edit: I'm a little surprised at how slow-moving this thread is. I figured with a whole subforum dedicated to anime and manga, more otaku-y goons would've dipped their toes into actual Japanese lit. I love Japanese literature (I don't really watch anime or read manga though); I think it's some of the most interesting and engaging stories out there, and more people should definitely look into it. I particularly love their ghost stories! Does anyone have any good ghost story suggestions? Manga to actual lit is a big jump and goons aren't as literary as they'd like to think. I haven't actually read any of Akutagawa's novels, just his short stories. Recently read Rashomon in Japanese in a class and the man certainly knew how to set a mood. As for ghost stories, you might try Ueda Akinari's Tales of Moonlight and Rain or the collection called Kwaidan put together by Lafcadio Hearn.
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I just finished reading a collection of Akutagawa's stories a week or so ago. I get why his more classical-themed stories are more popular in the West (Kurosawa), but I liked his later works, too. Both Spinning Gears and Loyalty blew me away and Hell Screen is no slouch either.
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z0331 posted:Manga to actual lit is a big jump and goons aren't as literary as they'd like to think. 90% of the books people are reading in the 52 Books thread are either Sci-Fi or fantasy series. I'm really interested in the more wacky postmodern Japanese writers, like Yasutaka Tsutsui, but don't really know who to read. What are some good translated books in this style?
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Be Depressive posted:90% of the books people are reading in the 52 Books thread are either Sci-Fi or fantasy series. I read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy, doesn't mean I don't throw in a good 'lit' book every once in a while. I think when you're trying to get through a book a week lighter fare makes it easier. I have a thing for Japanese pot-boilers and mysteries. I read a really good book called Slow Fuse by Masako Togawa a few years ago, it's out of print but a great little novel. Miyuke Miyabe, who is a very popular mystery writer in Japan, also does some good stuff some of which has been published in english. All She Was Worth, which is her first translated into english, won quite a few awards in Japan and is a really interesting look into Japanese life and culture.
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Be Depressive posted:I'm really interested in the more wacky postmodern Japanese writers, like Yasutaka Tsutsui, but don't really know who to read. What are some good translated books in this style? Just because he's one of my favorite authors and the guy I'm planning on spending a lot of time researching, I have to suggest Abe Kobo. It's arguable how much of his oeuvre is 'postmodern' since he was writing a bit earlier, but regardless he was a surrealist and influenced by Kafka and therefore certainly wacky in some (very depressing) ways. For most postmodern I would try his novels Box Man and Kangaroo Notebook.
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Be Depressive posted:number9dream, by David Mitchell. I started reading this based off of your recommendation and haven't been able to put it down. Thank you for suggesting it. Each chapter feels unique and original but the book as a whole is so cohesive and well thought out. I never really feel like I know what is going to happen next.
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It felt to me like a white man's tribute to Haruki Murakami, complete with otherworldness and Beatles songs, but actually done very well and in a legitimately compelling way. Mitchell grew up in Japan, I think, and knows his stuff. Ghostwritten is also incredibly good, haven't got around to most of his other books yet.
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I ended up reading Wind-Up Bird Chronicle in a week last month and decided to wait on posting until I finished Kafka on the Shore. I enjoyed how more refined Kafka felt in comparison, the pacing in Wind-Up was quite strange to me 60 or 70% of the way through. I originally thought Kafka was a bit overly wordy of things, but on reflection I probably just wasn't personally getting invested. Kafka just felt like a decent read I don't regret, while Wind-Up is definitely something that will probably stick with me. Though I can pretty much guarantee this is just a personal thing more than anything else (as with my liking of Sputnik Sweetheart)
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Sheep-Goats posted:
I might get blasted for this but I think Katsuhiro Otomo's AKIRA is worth mentioning in this thread. It always reminded me of The Destructors, storywise. I'll definitely give some of the authors mentioned a try though, I wonder if my college has them.
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There was this guy, Yasushi Inoue. He's not too famous but he happened to write one of the greatest book in all of post-war japan, The Hunting Rifle. It's like around a 100 pages long so anybody should check it. I've heard good things about the rest of his oeuvre too but I havent delved into it yet
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So I want to get into Japanese lit. I intend to pick up some stuff mentioned in the thread, including Kokoro and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, but I was wondering if there's any really prominent works on occupation-era Japan. It seems like a really fascinating period, but I didn't see anything in the thread specifically dealing with it.
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Fetucine posted:So I want to get into Japanese lit. I intend to pick up some stuff mentioned in the thread, including Kokoro and The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle, but I was wondering if there's any really prominent works on occupation-era Japan. It seems like a really fascinating period, but I didn't see anything in the thread specifically dealing with it. You mean when Japanese was occupying China or when Japan was being occupied? If it's the latter, Yukio Mishima wrote during that time period. You can also try Osamu Dazai's The Setting Sun.
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Poutling posted:I read a lot of sci-fi and fantasy, doesn't mean I don't throw in a good 'lit' book every once in a while. I think when you're trying to get through a book a week lighter fare makes it easier. Yeah but even just looking at the front page of the forum every single thread is about a fantasy/sci-fi series save a David Foster Wallace thread and miscellaneous "post your last read book", "books you couldn't finish" threads. It is kind of exasperating. In the last couple of days I've read pretty much everything Banana Yoshimoto has written and even though none of it is really ground breaking or deep I feel like she really expressed the kind of languor that seems to be so prevalent in the lives of early 20-somethings. It certainly helps that most of her work is short and easy to read, but I feel like she should certainly not just be pegged as boring chick-lit. I especially liked Hardboiled which managed to be both unsettling and really melancholy. I also think that she writes some of the best female/female relationships (both platonic and sexual) of any Japanese author I have read. Also this thread is totally too slow, I have enjoyed enormously all of the discussion so far. Zebco fucked around with this message at 05:32 on May 22, 2012 |
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Be Depressive posted:90% of the books people are reading in the 52 Books thread are either Sci-Fi or fantasy series. Haikasoru is translating Japanese sci fi books into English, and there was this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guin_Saga that's had a couple books out in the US. They're not great, but not really any worse than most of the crap in that thread. (and this thread is making me feel bad about not having gotten around to reading this copy of The Secret History of the Lord of Musashi / Arrowroot )
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I plan to continue my Murakami-rama through the summer the best I can, and I just finished After Dark that I started reading on a whim. I don't feel like I give much away but I'll still give my short impression in a spoiler box. I was really impressed with how this eventually played out, the other world Murakami-ism in this book felt quite a bit forced though (if I have to read the other side in italics one more time...!) but it ended up not being that big a deal for conveying. Though I would've rather it taken a backseat in this story. I expected it to also have some lame conclusion where everything comes together, but instead it all just intermingles wonderfully throughout. In the end it's pretty forgettable, but I guess in a way that's the point, eh?
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Zebco posted:Yeah but even just looking at the front page of the forum every single thread is about a fantasy/sci-fi series save a David Foster Wallace thread and miscellaneous "post your last read book", "books you couldn't finish" threads. It is kind of exasperating. I don't mind so much since I think that by nature populist fiction is meant to be... popular, so of course there will be more discussion about it. And a lot of great 'literature' as we consider it now was once populist fiction - Charles Dickens, for instance. I wish people would try some other Japanese authors besides Haruki Murakami. It seems every 5 pages in the recommendation thread someone asks "I want to read Murakami, where do I begin?" I like Murakami, but I don't think he's the be all and end all of Japanese literature. I hope a lot of these new world literature readers will use Murakami as a gateway to different Japanese authors or even other translated literature like Gabriel Garcia Marquez. My first Japanese novel was actually The Sailor Who Fell From Grace with the Sea in high school. I was really obsessed with Mishima at the time, what can I say, I was a bit of a goth. I'm glad I was able to branch out from there and try a lot more authors. I'd say after Mishima, Tanizaki is my next fave then Kawabata Yasunari. Murakami comes in a distant fourth. His novels are just so hit and miss for me.
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fritz posted:They're not great, but not really any worse than most of the crap in that thread. (and this thread is making me feel bad about not having gotten around to reading this copy of The Secret History of the Lord of Musashi / Arrowroot ) You really should! They're good stories and Lord of Musashi is also good clean fun, or good dirty fun anyway.
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Be Depressive posted:I'm really interested in the more wacky postmodern Japanese writers, like Yasutaka Tsutsui, but don't really know who to read. What are some good translated books in this style? Sounds like you might like Takahashi Gen'ichiro. Sayonara, Gangsters has been translated and deserves to be loved. There's some good books about to come out in translation: Furukawa Hideo's Belka, Why Don't You Bark? is out in October. It's about military dogs, sort of. Been described as a mix of 'pure' literature and 'entertainment' literature which seems to fit. Natsuki Ikezawa's The Navidad Incident : The Downfall of Matias Guili was fun, surreal, and post-colonial all at the same time. Out now. And the new translation of The Tale of the Heike by Royall Tyler which is out in October should be an instant new classic version. And some of you may know about this site already, but it's worth checking out, especially if you like Japanese literature but can't read Japanese or don't bother keeping up with literary news for some reason: http://www.junbungaku.com/
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midori-a-gogo posted:And some of you may know about this site already, but it's worth checking out, especially if you like Japanese literature but can't read Japanese or don't bother keeping up with literary news for some reason: http://www.junbungaku.com/ Their top news item is the novelisation of Metal Gear Solid 4 
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Sad news yesterday: the Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology has decided to end the Japanese Literature Publishing Project. If you aren't aware, the JLPP is (was) an organization that selected books they wanted published, acquired the rights, commissioned and edited the translation, then offered an automatic purchase of a number of books from whichever publisher took it. The JLPP has been instrumental in getting tons of translations published since its creation. I imagine things will be a lot quieter soon 
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midori-a-gogo posted:Sad news yesterday: the Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology has decided to end the Japanese Literature Publishing Project. I participated in their first (and I guess last now) translation contest this past year, and I learned a whole hell of a lot from it. I didn't expect to win (and I didn't), but it was a great learning experience. Their selection of things to translate has always been great. I'm sad to see them go.
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WE RIDE posted:Not sure if he counts as Japanese since he's lived most of his life in England, but Kazuo Ishiguro is one of my favourite writers. His first two novels, A Pale View Of Hills and An Artist of the Floating World are both set in Japan and are both really good, the latter in particular. He also won the Booker Prize for his third book, The Remains of the Day, which is one of my all-time favourites (not set in Japan, though). Thank you for recommending these, both were really good. Ishiguro makes you understand the characters in a very elegant way and after many subtle hints, when you realize what's it all about, the whole story gains a whole new dimension. Reading moechae's post I'm now set to pick up Akutagawa. Cogwheels sounds most interesting but I'm having a hard time finding just in which of the anthologies it is published. Not really literature but I want to mention Kunio Yanagita's Touno Monogatari, a collection of folktales around the Touno area. Sometimes Yanagita is likened to the brothers Grimm but although some of the stories have a moralistic fairytale touch, most are hearsay from the people he interviewed and this lived mythologie intrigued me.
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true.spoon posted:Reading moechae's post I'm now set to pick up Akutagawa. Cogwheels sounds most interesting but I'm having a hard time finding just in which of the anthologies it is published. Cogwheels is in the Jay Rubin translation under the title "Spinning Gears". http://www.amazon.com/dp/0140449701/ref=rdr_ext_tmb and in the Mandarins collection under Cogwheels. http://amzn.com/0977857603
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I'm just finding this thread, so forgive me if it's been mentioned, but I quite like Medoruma Shun, who's an Okinawan author. In particular, his short story "Droplets" is one of the best things I've ever read (I read it in translation). Another author that is quite popular and well-recognized in Japan, but sadly underrepresented in translation, is Hoshi Shinichi, who writes mostly in the realm of science fiction. There are a few collections of short stories floating around in English, but I'm not sure if they're still in print. I have a few short story collections in Japanese, if anyone is interested in looking him up and wants titles of stories or whatever. Personally, my favorite Akutagawa piece is "A Fool's Diary", and if you can find the copy that I read, which contains the Japanese on one side, and an excellent translation on the other, as well as accompanying artwork, I highly recommend it. It was in my college's library, old, and in the "Oversize" section, so I have no idea how rare it is. Right now the ADTRW simulwatch is doing Blue Literature, which features classic Japanese writers and stories in animated form, including Natsume Soseki and Osamau Dazai. If you are an anime fan, Dazai and Soseki were massive influences on the show Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. On detective fiction, I echo the praise for Edogawa Rampo, and would also like to mention that Miyuki Miyabe started out writing it in the early 90s. Her first book, All She Was Worth is more or less about the credit crisis in Japan that caused the post-80s economic bubble burst, and it's fairly readable, if a bit formulaic. Interesting fact: Miyuki Miyabe started to write by taking classes (when she was a bored housewife) on how to write detective fiction. There are a lot of interesting Japanese detective fiction writers from the 60s and 70s. There's a short story I've read, called "The Fingerprint" that was quite good; it's a surrealist take on detective fiction. I can't remember the author, though; sorry. My personal favorite period of Japanese literature (and a lot of other places as well) is the 1910-20s. Yasunari Kawabata, before he became known for Snow Country , wrote a book called The Scarlet Gang of Asakusa , about the Western-obsessed Japanese youth culture centered around that area. Additionally, Tanizaki wrote Naomi , which is largely concerned with the "modan gyaru" of that time period. Another good novel almost from that period, and not really about any of the modernization and modernist themes, is Broken Commandment , by Shimazaki Tozon, which is a novel focused around the burakumin. Sorry for the really long post, and I apologize if I've repeated a bunch of things, but I just really like Japanese literature, and talking about Japanese literature. edit: I forgot to mention Snakes and Earrings by Hitmoi Kanehara, which is an interesting and graphic book, and in the same vein as Ryu Murakami, who has been recommended extensively in this thread. It's mostly about then-current youth culture, urban alienation, and anomie in Japanese society. Very good. AsteriskAsterisk fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jul 2, 2012 |
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This month's issue of Words Without Borders is entirely devoted to new Japanese literature, guest edited by superstar translator Michael Emmerich. Featured authors: EnJoe Toh, Furukawa Hideo, Kawakami Hiromi, Medoruma Shun, Jin Keita, Kurahashi Yumiko, and Nakai Hideo. http://wordswithoutborders.org/issue/july-2012 For some reason, the Furukawa Hideo piece doesn't show up there, so here's a link: http://wordswithoutborders.org/article/the-farside August's issue will also be devoted to Japanese literature, so we're really in luck.
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Thanks for posting that. I've only heard of Nakai Hideo so it's a nice group of new-to-me current authors.
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I'm currently working through Abe Kobo's Woman in the Dunes. It's my...4th time reading it I think, and my second in the original Japanese. This time, though, I'm going through very slowly and deliberately and trying to make sure I don't just skim words/sentences I don't understand, or that I think I do but don't really. This book is just so drat difficult at times, though. Even in English there are sections where I just have no clue what he's trying to say. I love his work but it can be really frustrating at times. After this, if and when I have time, I bought his Secret Rendezvous and Beasts Head Home (my translation since I'm not sure I like the usual one of The Animals are Going to Their Home), both in Japanese, to work through. I also bought a collection of Miyazawa Kenji's poetry which is pretty interesting but also incredibly challenging. I also semi-started 1Q84 (I'm only like 20 pages in) and, like I lot of people have said before me, it is so drat typical Murakami I almost laughed.
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Reading through Brave Story and I'm starting to wonder if this thing isn't some sort of joke on the writer's part where they'll never actually go to Vision beyond that one time. I get it; being a kid sucks balls, being an adult sucks balls though a straw and being a kid with adult issues thrust upon you sucks balls though a straw with the power of a Dyson vacuum. Can we please get on with things already?
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A couple things I've read recently that others might be interested in: - March Was Made of Yarn: Reflections on the Japanese Earthquake, Tsunami, and Nuclear Meltdown, edited by David Karashima and Elmer Luke, who are two of the coolest dudes working in Japanese literature/translation. Features stories from Furukawa Hideo, Saeki Kazumi, Kawakami Mieko, Kawakami Hiromi, Ogawa Yoko, Abe Kazushige, Akikawa Tetsuya, Kakuta Mitsuyo, Murakami Ryu, Tawada Yoko, Ishii Shinji, and more. All proceeds go to charities working in Tohoku. (Amazon) - Monkey Business, which is the English-version of a Japanese literary magazine run by Shibata Motoyuki. The newest issue is rad. It's a bit pricey ($18 for the newest issue, $15 for the first issue), but worth it. Order here.
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And the second issue of Words Without Borders dedicated to Japanese literature is up: http://wordswithoutborders.org/issue/august-2012 Some big names in there, like Tsushima Yuko, Wataya Risa, and Kawakami Mieko.
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Just got through Ryu Murakami's Saigo no Kazoku (最後の家族). I wouldn't put it up there as one of his best novels story-wise, but it was pretty easy to read in terms of the vocabulary used. My Japanese is still relatively weak, but I was able to understand the plot pretty well. I would recommend it for Japanese language learners because of the way it's set up, each chapter is divided into telling the events of specific days in a family's life from the perspective of each family member. I think the overlap was pretty helpful in getting a hold on the plot. I would recommend it for anyone interested in Japan's societal problems, it goes pretty in-depth into the hikikomori issue as well as domestic violence, for instance.
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This. I'm working my way through The Flying Man by Abe right now for research purposes but it can get really tempting to skip past bits where you have an idea what he's saying even though you sacrifice the actual language. Especially since he works through different characters' perspectives in this one (pretty different from his normal style).
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Magic Man posted:This. I'm working my way through The Flying Man by Abe right now for research purposes but it can get really tempting to skip past bits where you have an idea what he's saying even though you sacrifice the actual language. Especially since he works through different characters' perspectives in this one (pretty different from his normal style). His work gets tougher and tougher the later you go. It's like he starts playing with language and narrative a lot more. I barely made it out alive of Box Man in Japanese. What kind of research are you doing?
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Kenzo Kitikata is one of my favorite novelists in any language. He's only had three of his books translated to english, but apparently he is massive in japan. Winter Sleep is my favorite, about an artist with a dark past, struggling with "painter's block," and his decision to take on students disrupts his otherwise solitary life. It's written uniquely, and reminded me of The Fountainhead (hold on) in the way that that book made me often feel as though it was written by an Architect, or with an Architect's sensibilities, Winter Sleep feels uniquely painterly and is a great meditation on the creative process that builds to an explosive crescendo. His other books I've read are The Cage a crime/detective novel which I couldn't put down (with a recurring character of Takagi, the old dog, a relentless detective), and Ashes, which detailed the classic "last job" of a mid-level Yakuza. I'd recommend Winter Sleep or The Cage before Ashes, but they're all great. They are sparse and beautiful and minimal, and I'm wondering if anyone can recommend me similar.
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I'm currently reading Coffinman by Shinmon Aoki, although I'm not sure if he's written any other works since this one is primarily autobiographical. It's about his life and work as a nokanfu. The translation notes at the beginning are interesting and the tenses kind of dance around as a result, but I've enjoyed it so far. Does anyone have a copy of either Otoko or Naked Festival by Yatō Tamotsu? Scans or a picture gallery would be fantastic too. Mishima did the introductions for most of his photoessays and Yatō's long-term lover helped get Mishima's books translated and published in English. I'd love to find a copy of his works, either physical or digital.
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Belka, Why Don't You Bark? by Hideo Furukawa (translated by Michael Emmerich) was released yesterday. quote:In 1943, when Japanese troops retreat from the Aleutian island of Kiska, they leave behind four military dogs. One of them dies in isolation, and the others are taken under the protection of US troops. Meanwhile, in the USSR, a KGB military dog handler kidnaps the daughter of a Japanese yakuza. Named after the Russian astronaut dog Strelka, the girl develops a psychic connection with canines. In this multigenerational epic as seen through the eyes of man’s best friend, the dogs who are used as mere tools for the benefit of humankind gradually discover their true selves and learn something about humanity as well. And Haikasoru has an excerpt up: http://www.haikasoru.com/excerpt/belka-why-dont-you-bark/
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