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Alteisen posted:I'm sorry but they've canceled 2 projects based off their popular mascot including one that had a lot of fan involvement, Gene is also pretty popular with Clover fans, flat out stating that both Megaman and Gene where in the running but ultimately where decided against is just a dick move, its irrelevant info that nobody really cares for, far as most people where concerned those 2 chars where just flat out never considered, especially Gene. To be fair, people got really angry when MvC3 came out and Gene was apparently not even considered for it. It does seem like a lose/lose situation unless you just put him in. They still probably shouldn't have mentioned it though. Mega Man is obviously someone you have to answer the question for but mentioning Gene just upsets people unless the answer is "he's in." Admittedly, I'd love to know the thought process behind the raccoon getting in. He can't have been high on the demand list.
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So I take it you've never heard of Rocket Raccoon.
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Broken Loose posted:So I take it you've never heard of Rocket Raccoon. Of course I have. I like comic books. That doesn't mean he's in any way a high demand character considering you're missing a lot more notable people. Assuming they're not on The List, it's hard to buy that there was more call for him then Ms. Marvel or Doctor Octopus or Sabertooth or Colossus or The Punisher or Thanos or... well, the list goes on. Hell, I think he's a fun addition to the game. I'm just talking more about fan demand.
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Alteisen posted:I'm sorry but they've canceled 2 projects based off their popular mascot including one that had a lot of fan involvement, Gene is also pretty popular with Clover fans, flat out stating that both Megaman and Gene where in the running but ultimately where decided against is just a dick move, its irrelevant info that nobody really cares for, far as most people where concerned those 2 chars where just flat out never considered, especially Gene. The fan response hasn't really changed from before Niitsuma said that to after. As soon as the 12 characters leaked, MM fans were already calling for Niitsuma's head or for someone to punch Seth. They were also already fabricating bogus stories of Mega Man fans and cosplayers getting kicked out of SDCC and threatening DDoS attacks against Capcom's web domains. They've basically gone full-on rabid and quite frankly, as a Mega Man fan myself, I feel embarrassed for them. ImpAtom posted:Admittedly, I'd love to know the thought process behind the raccoon getting in. He can't have been high on the demand list. As I mentioned earlier, all of Marvel's picks are in Marvel's hands and seem to be fairly influenced by their cross-marketing promotion ability. Rocket Raccoon and Nova have apparently both been fairly active in comics lately, Doc Strange, Hawkeye, and Iron Fist all apparently have movies in various stages of development, and Ghost Rider's popularity is still fairly high from his recent foray onto the big screen.
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Alteisen posted:Why don't you chill the gently caress out, at no point does my post infer any sort of great rage not to mention the rest of your knee jerk poo poo. Dude, appearing in MvC is not a right or a privilege that a character gains or something. They don't round up the directors of each franchise and say "Hey! You sold well! Here you are: two slots in the next MvC!". Mega Man is not fresh, and he is not bringing anything new to the table, that's why he didn't make the cut. Get over it. Ever since the characters for UMvC3 were leaked the internet exploded with whiny whiners. How can I not lump you with the rest of them when you say "it's dick move" and "they gave the fans the finger abloo bloo". E: Re: Rocket Raccoon: He is not a well known character, for most people (including me) he might as well be a brand new character. Bringing new characters keeps the games fresh; it's certainly a good thing. What's the point of making new games if you're just gonna recycle the old ones. When Capcom recycled characters everybody whined, and now when they didn't everybody whined. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Goddamned Internet. E2: I can't spell. Shinku ABOOKEN fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 03:07 |
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:Mega Man is not fresh, and he is not bringing anything new to the table, that's why he didn't make the cut. I don't know. The problem with this argument (and the "Arthur is just like him" argument) is that it forgets the fact that Mega Man has a hell of a lot of stuff to call upon. If he was identical to his MvC2 version, yeah, but you could pretty reasonably adapt any of the Mega Men in pretty different ways. For all that he hasn't had a game in years, you could have a Mega Man X who played incredibly drastically different from regular Mega Man with all his weird power-ups and abilities. It's a lot more likely they just figured he wasn't popular enough, which is hard to buy but a lot more logical then "It's impossible to make one of the many different Mega Men into a distinctive character." ImpAtom fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 03:14 |
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:Dude, appearing in MvC is not a right or a privilege that a character gains or something. They don't round up the directors of each franchise and say "Hey! You sold well! Here you are: two slots in the next MvC!". Mega Man is not fresh, and he is not bringing anything new to the table, that's why he didn't make the cut. Get over it. I don't care about fighting games but you are easily the huffiest, whineiest poster in this thread. You are the whiny Internet nerd.
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:Mega Man is not fresh, and he is not bringing anything new to the table, that's why he didn't make the cut. Get over it. While I'm not really butthurt over his exclusion, this statement is absolutely untrue. Looking at TvC, you can clearly see that. There are so many incarnations of Mega Man, not to mention the fact that he literally copies the abilities of enemies he defeats. That's pretty much unlimited potential. He's not 'fresh' in the sense that, yes, he's a classic character, but that's kind of irrelevant. See: Ryu, etc.
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ImpAtom posted:I don't know. The problem with this argument (and the "Arthur is just like him" argument) is that it forgets the fact that Mega Man has a hell of a lot of stuff to call upon. If he was identical to his MvC2 version, yeah, but you could pretty reasonably adapt any of the Mega Men in pretty different ways. For all that he hasn't had a game in years, you could have a Mega Man X who played incredibly drastically different from regular Mega Man with all his weird power-ups and abilities. The problem is: they can't do any significant changes to the character. Mega Man X does have increased mobility and new weapons, but he is even more limited than the regular one (he doesn't have beat or rush or whatever). The only new things he has are ride armor, charged special weapons, and the Z-Saber. If I were a designer and I had to pick a Mega Man to add you know who I'll add? Mega Man ZX. I know it's not the most popular game and some people even hate it. But at least that Mega Man can change form and some forms are easy to adapt to close range fighting (the deer from ZX and the fire guy from ZX2 come to mind). Mega Man is just not a great choice for that game, let it go.
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ImpAtom posted:Sonic's pretty far away from a dead corpse of a franchise. It has new games coming out on a regular basis, they sell very well for the most part and the overall quality has been going up pretty dramatically with recent titles. As far as mascot characters go, Sonic remains second to only Mario as far as general success goes. Wasn't Sonic Colors largely regarded as the first good 3-D Sonic game? LemonLimeTime fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 03:17 |
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:The problem is: they can't do any significant changes to the character. Mega Man X does have increased mobility and new weapons, but he is even more limited than the regular one (he doesn't have beat or rush or whatever). The only new things he has are ride armor, charged special weapons, and the Z-Saber. He doesn't just have those. He has access to every single power up he got over the course of his games. Even just a few of those or a few of his armor abilities would make him very distinct. Hell, you could even base him off the Command Mission version where he can switch between ranged combat and a close-ranged fire claw version and has a kicking rad red scarf. He has 8 platformers with their own distinct armors + power ups plus a JRPG to draw from. If you can't make a distinctive and interesting character out of that, I don't know what to say. Phoenix Wright is a playable fighter in UMvC3. A character whose fighting experience begins and ends with getting his rear end repeatedly tased or whipped into unconsciousness. If they can come up with a fighting style for him, they can make Mega Man unique if they want him in. LemonLimeTime posted:Wasn't Sonic Colors largely regarded as the first good 3-D Sonic game? Generally the feeling is that Unleashed could have been good if not for the lovely Werehog and Colors is basically Unleashed + A good Gimmick for once - Werehog. Generations is also looking very solid. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 03:19 |
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Since no one seems to be able to figure out how Megaman X (or any megaman for that matter) can be different from Zero or Arthur, i'm going to tell you how: Armor Supers. The way i see it, you start off as basic X. He would have his standard X-buster, his dash, air dash, and various attacks from his games. However, at any point, he can activate any of his supers and change his armor, changing his gameplay style. Level 1: Falcon Armor - Rushdown style In the Falcon Armor, X would obviously gain the ability to fly, as well as get a boost in his jumping and dash/airdash speed and duration. He would also gain an unblockable charged X-buster shot, since in X5, the Falcon X-buster was a small projectile, but it could pierce walls and shielding. As all X armors do, X's other weapons would be powered up, similar to what Gold Armor does for Arthur's attacks. Level 1: Force Armor - Keepaway style In the Force Armor, X can now hover in the air for a period of time, for either stalling purposes or to give him time to charge either of his X-busters. Charging with the L button could let X charge up his stock X-buster, which in X4 let him store up to four fully charged shots for him to fire at his leisure. Charging the buster with the H button would let him charge up the Plasma Shot, which when fired, would leave a large plasma ball on the screen if it hits the opponent, continuing to hit the opponent or give them big chip damage until it dissapated. Level 1: Gaia Armor - Tank Style In tha Gaia Armor, X moves slower now, but not without some perks to make up for it. He can quickly charge up his X-buster to release a shot that will not travel far but will cause knockdown. He will also have super armor on a lot of his attacks, will get increased defense, and since the Gaia armor in X5 was immune to spikes, the Gaia armor in Marvel could make X completely immune to traps, such as the ones Trish can make for example. There, that's my idea on how to make X a completely unique character to MvC3.
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:The problem is: they can't do any significant changes to the character. Mega Man X does have increased mobility and new weapons, but he is even more limited than the regular one (he doesn't have beat or rush or whatever). The only new things he has are ride armor, charged special weapons, and the Z-Saber. This is amazing. One of the core tenets of every single Mega Man to have ever existed (except, strangely enough, Mega Man Volnutt) is that they have completely protean fighting styles. They can copy and utilize almost anything they need to fight the enemy with. To claim that a Mega Man (any Mega Man) cannot bring anything new to the table is absurd.
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TaurusOxford posted:Oh come the gently caress on. Don't even try to convince yourself or anyone else that Zero can be used as a megaman substitute, especially when 95% of his attacks involve the Z-saber. As for Arthur, I don't understand how you people can be so full of yourselves when you say that Megaman is a dead franchise and no one cares about him, when Arthur and Firebrand get in the game. Did I miss the memo? When was Ghouls & Ghosts EVER bigger than Megaman? Lighten up man. It's a video game. No need to get so overbearingly fanboy that they're not tickling your specific fancy with this one game not having your ~ dream character ~
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Zorak posted:Lighten up man. It's a video game. No need to get so overbearingly fanboy that they're not tickling your specific fancy with this one game not having your ~ dream character ~ Well maybe if people would stop being so ignorant to the obvious. Yeah, people here are getting annoyed by people being pissed about no Megaman in MvC3. Am I not allowed to be equally annoyed when people clearly have no idea what they are talking about? I'm starting to wonder if the people who are getting annoyed by the megaman fans have even played a Megaman game before, because if they think that megaman would be little more than a clone of Arthur, they seriously need to wake up. Edit: \/\/\/ - X has been able to duck since X5. TaurusOxford fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 03:39 |
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Arthur got in because he can duck. Megaman can't duck. How you gon' sweep Wolverine with a character who can't duck?
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You guys are thinking too small. They could literally have Mega Man do whatever they felt like, as long as it fit his design. I don't remember Samus ever smacking things with her arm canon, or kicking, and I sure as hell don't remember Captain Falcon punching anyone in his games.ImpAtom posted:Phoenix Wright is a playable fighter in UMvC3. A character whose fighting experience begins and ends with getting his rear end repeatedly tased or whipped into unconsciousness. If they can come up with a fighting style for him, they can make Mega Man unique if they want him in. Hey, he was punched a couple of times by a rich man too 
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Zorak posted:Lighten up man. It's a video game. No need to get so overbearingly fanboy that they're not tickling your specific fancy with this one game not having your ~ dream character ~ ...but this is the Mega Man thread? 
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So what's the CANON reason that Megaman, in every incarnation, loses the powerups of the previous game?
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Mister Roboto posted:So what's the CANON reason that Megaman, in every incarnation, loses the powerups of the previous game? If I recall: Classic Mega Man: Dude's a housekeeping robot and reverts back to that when he's not busy shooting Wily in the face. Mega Man X/Mega Man Zero: He keeps getting the poo poo kicked out of him and needs to be repaired. Legends: Roll sold his poo poo. Mega Man.exe: His parents take his stuff away.
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Mister Roboto posted:So what's the CANON reason that Megaman, in every incarnation, loses the powerups of the previous game? Dr. Light's too cheap to spring for a hard drive with more space, so he just reformats Megaman at the end of every game.
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ImpAtom posted:Mega Man.exe: His parents take his stuff away. Lan constantly upgrades his PET and the MMBN world has awful BC issues (especially when the program in question is a digitized human soul).
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Mister Roboto posted:So what's the CANON reason that Megaman, in every incarnation, loses the powerups of the previous game? Every time you die Dr Light sends in a new copy of a mega man, and whenever you beat the game Light turns off that copy. Drunk old man can't remember where he put the last one whenever Wily flips his poo poo again.
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TaurusOxford posted:Well maybe if people would stop being so ignorant to the obvious. Yeah, people here are getting annoyed by people being pissed about no Megaman in MvC3. Am I not allowed to be equally annoyed when people clearly have no idea what they are talking about? I'm starting to wonder if the people who are getting annoyed by the megaman fans have even played a Megaman game before, because if they think that megaman would be little more than a clone of Arthur, they seriously need to wake up. What's that, you say? The video games you've played don't excuse violence and DDoS attacks? Or are you honestly attempting to claim that Megaman is so special that his fanbase is entitled to act like hooligans and criminals when he's not included in a game that already has 2 characters representing his series? So, what does that mean? Does that mean that God Hand fans should be allowed to kill people because they get NO representation? Or what about Breath of Fire fans? Or Powerstone, or Cyberbots, or Plasma Sword, or The Ultimates, or Guardians of the Galaxy, or Infinity Gauntlet, or Howard the Duck? And for the record, I've played through every Megaman game except 9, 10, and the Wonderswan games, and that includes the ROM translation of Rockman and Forte. Does that make me more important than you? They already have a weapon-switching, small character in Marvel 3, and her name is Amaterasu. They also have another small character with a variety of different projectiles and armor boosts, and his name is Arthur. Both of these characters are brand new and fun to play, whereas if I'm seriously that desperate to play Megaman, I can play him in MvC: Clash of Superheroes or Marvel 2. Not just that, but he's a good character in both games. Until then, I can wait for DLC instead of QQing and calling people names for not being True Enough to Rokku-man-sama.
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Can this thread be a bit more about Mega Man and a bit less about whatever the gently caress that spergfest above this post is? So what are the odds Capcom would sell off the Mega Man IP? They seem to be making GBS threads all over it, are they so petty that they would rather kill it than make a bit of money selling it off if they're not going to expand it any more?
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Spaceman Future! posted:So what are the odds Capcom would sell off the Mega Man IP? They seem to be making GBS threads all over it, are they so petty that they would rather kill it than make a bit of money selling it off if they're not going to expand it any more? Zero. As long as they control the IP, they can still make money off of remakes and other merchandising even without making new games.
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Spaceman Future! posted:Can this thread be a bit more about Mega Man and a bit less about whatever the gently caress that spergfest above this post is? Considering they can re-release all the Mega Man games on XBLA, PSN, Wiiware/Virtual Console, 3DSWare/Virtual Console, Steam, and Mobile/Smart Phone with little involvement beyond adapting code to varying degrees AND put the various characters in any game they make (such as MvC3) and make money off of all the fans who are so thrilled over seeing Zero or anyone else they chose for it, I would assume the odds are pretty low. EDIT: As dead as Mega Man seems right now to everyone in the thread, Capcom still sees dollar symbols in various ways. If they made a brand new Anniversary Collection to include Mega Man 9 and 10 in it, everyone would buy it. If they made an Anniversary Collection for all the Gameboy games with no other bells and whistles beyond artwork they found on Google Images, they'd make more return than investment I'm sure. Just, not the kind of dollars we would see that requires involving developing Legends 3, it seems. Cock Goblin fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 06:00 |
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Spaceman Future! posted:So what are the odds Capcom would sell off the Mega Man IP? They seem to be making GBS threads all over it, are they so petty that they would rather kill it than make a bit of money selling it off if they're not going to expand it any more? Considering that they supposedly cease-and-desist-ed The Protomen recently? Less than zero. Edit: Or not. I need to stop believing what I read on Twitter without fact-checking it first. Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 06:05 |
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Kyrosiris posted:Considering that they supposedly cease-and-desist-ed The Protomen recently? Less than zero. I just came to post this.  Why are all these things happening at once  It's like Capcom is in a pissing contest with itself on who can run this series into the shitter the fastest.edit: goddamn internet
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Chibs posted:I just came to post this. Well, now, their twitter would allude to the fact that it's fake. Plus, protomen.com is still active. tweet chain posted:@hearstlee: the protomen got a cease and desist from capcom #thereisagod Edit: I see you saw my edit. 
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I hate Capcom as much as the next guy right now, but there's plenty of legitimate BS to hate them for without having to invent new stuff out of wholecloth to do it.
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Man, I was apathetic to MML3's cancellation, but I felt my blood pressure rising when I saw that Protomen C&D. I'm so glad its fake. I thought it was complete bullshit, especially given that Capcom's Community Blog praised Father of Death when it came out.
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It's gotten to the point where the fans would genuinely believe if someone told them capcom were secretly a sect of Neo-Badds. And for all of the poo poo they're getting right now, given their atrocious PR, I'm sorry but I don't entirely feel sympathetic for what they have to go through every time they have to quash word that they turned Megaman Cosplayers away from their booth, they're taking fan efforts to court or someone's punched the HP out of one of their community managers. If they had managed their PR a little bit better (Here's a plan next time guys, next time you're planning to cancel a game, let's not have it get announced just before a big convention where, say, a whole contingent of fans, many of who would be enough of a fanatic to, say, show up in costume of the game's characters of that game might be there. Also, fire the moron you have at the twitter keyboard at Capcom Europe) they wouldn't be able to be painted as the second coming of Activation. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 07:28 |
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TaurusOxford posted:Armor Supers. This is exactly what I was thinking. Just like Silver Samurai and his elemental change supers mechanic,(except actually useful) X would have a different playstyle according to what armor you picked. I figure if C.Viper can eat meters with EX attacks, an X using up hyper meters to change playstyles would work just fine. On the other hand, Amateratsu can change weapons and have some changes, and are less resource intensive. At least X would have way more health than Zero, and wouldn't die in one regular combo.
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It's from last page, but I don't care much:TaurusOxford posted:Oh come the gently caress on. Don't even try to convince yourself or anyone else that Zero can be used as a megaman substitute, especially when 95% of his attacks involve the Z-saber. As for Arthur, I don't understand how you people can be so full of yourselves when you say that Megaman is a dead franchise and no one cares about him, when Arthur and Firebrand get in the game. Did I miss the memo? When was Ghouls & Ghosts EVER bigger than Megaman? But you know what was a RELEASE title for Super Nintendo? Super Ghouls&Ghosts. Quite obviously, Capcom knew exactly that there was a new console coming, and they did want to bring one of their franchises to is asap. As a result, SG&G sold over a million copies (even MM2 "only" sold 1.5 million). Why didn't they do it with Mega Man? Just because the engine was easily copy-pasteable? They were so invested in developing X that they just decided to make low-effort main series games for the NES in the meantime? Think about it. They didn't care too much about developing the franchise BACK IN 1991. This is what I mean when I say "are you really that surprised, guys".
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Apparently Megaman.exe also has nothing going for him because he can only take basic moves (Chips) and align them into powerful combinations (Program Advances) and there are only like 400 of them created over the course of that franchise. Wait... Simply Simon posted:But you know what was a RELEASE title for Super Nintendo? Super Ghouls&Ghosts. Quite obviously, Capcom knew exactly that there was a new console coming, and they did want to bring one of their franchises to is asap. As a result, SG&G sold over a million copies (even MM2 "only" sold 1.5 million). Why didn't they do it with Mega Man? Just because the engine was easily copy-pasteable? They were so invested in developing X that they just decided to make low-effort main series games for the NES in the meantime? Think about it. They didn't care too much about developing the franchise BACK IN 1991. This is what I mean when I say "are you really that surprised, guys". That would be a good argument except they ran X into the ground too. Also I dunno about the rest of the people on this thread but when I say "I'd like Megaman to be in some game or another" I'm not explicitly referring to Megaman. I'd be fine with X or Volnutt or Hub. Dr. Luau fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 10:34 |
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UselessLurker posted:Don't worry guys, I'm sure Inafune is off to work wonders with his newfound freedom - Inafune is an inspiration. MinibarMatchman posted:The genre was so full of lovely ZX, Zero, and Exe games pumped onto the GBA at a disturbing rate that I'm not surprised Capcom got sick to death of it. There hasn't been a single lovely ZX or Zero game. Except Zero 2, but that just might be Phoenix Magnion bias.
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Simply Simon posted:It's from last page, but I don't care much: Living in the 90's was such a confusing time. Even more confusing with how game magazines outright lied to you. I almost bought this for the "Super NES". Mordaedil fucked around with this message at Jul 23, 2011 around 10:56 |
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Cock Goblin posted:now to everyone in the thread, Capcom still sees dollar symbols in various ways. If they made a brand new Anniversary Collection to include Mega Man 9 and 10 in it, everyone would buy it. Steam. Both MM9/10 plus maybe a few slapdash emulated versions of like MM1 and 2 or something. Five bucks for the whole thing. That would print money. Unfortunately, Capcom hates the living poo poo out of putting things on PC for some reason.
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Simply Simon posted:It's from last page, but I don't care much: Now hold up, there was a very GOOD reason why MM5 and MM6 comes out for the NES: It was a cheap and easy way to make money. They already had the engine, they already had the art assets, already hadprogrammers experienced with the NES, and once the SNES came out people didn't just automatically throw away their NES or instantaneously move to the SNES,.
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