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Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


This thread is the best thread. Great job on the OP.

Luce fucked around with this message at Dec 12, 2009 around 07:36

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Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Broken Loose posted:

Also Library is pretty underrated.

By who? At worst it's a better play than a Smithy and if you can get some cards out of your hand first it's even better. There are totally times you wouldn't want to buy it but that's true of any card.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Poopy Palpy posted:

Smithy also costs 4. This is part of what makes Smithy the best card.

But anything that is an action is a dead draw without +actions, which sucks. Courtyard costs 2 and allows you to stash a card for the next turn. I know it's meant to be a drawback but it works in my favor more often than not.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


In the highly hypothetical situation that you removed most copper from your deck and only have Silvers and Golds (or ideally just Golds) and you don't have any other actions apart from whatever you used to remove the coppers, it's an action that will give 4-6 coins and help you tear past any Victory cards or the now-dead Trash card that's in the way.

So practically, Adventurer is not worth getting unless you build a deck around making it work.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Would Adventurer become broken if it were cost 5?

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Countblanc posted:

Yes.

I feel like that too but I can't figure out why.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Poopy Palpy posted:

I've seen Swindler nuke a Province.

What happened? Did it hit more than one and end the game that way?

I don't think Swindler is anywhere near as bad as Saboteur just for the fact that it can't (or can rarely) kill Provinces. I've had fun turning Coppers into Curses but I actually haven't really found it to be all that damaging to my opponents overall. Maybe I'm just getting unlucky on what I hit or am not understanding how to fully utilize it though.

Countblanc posted:

(Fishing Village, for example, is just much better than retro Village [4 cost is hardly worse than 3]).

Fishing Village only costs 3 anyhow.

I haven't had the pleasure of playing with Ghost Ship yet (it just never comes up) and Sea Hag is rarely used due to it being a dead end that only hurts others (and most people in my group find it more fun to boost themselves rather than hurt others (even though hurting others can help you)).

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


I've tried it twice - once in a game that intentionally had no attacks and the Black Market deck was one copy of each attack and once as intended. The first time only one person used it and snagged a couple of attacks but it didn't matter. The second time no one even bought it.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


I was disappointed that they used the same insert instead of designing a new one for Seaside too (or at least labeling the slots differently so that the big cards can fit in when everything is filed where it says it should be). Overall the Seaside components are great quality though - those metal coins are awesome.

Would you rather have wooden cubes? Heh, maybe you'd like Agricola.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


The "starter" deck from base is great for teaching, but post that I'd just go ahead and throw at least Intrigue into the mix. Maybe go through the suggested card setups in all three sets and then just go ahead and play with randomized supplies. I've found the learning curve to be pretty low (which is one of the reasons I love the game).

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Honestly, I find the most annoying thing about Torturer being the +3 cards given to the person who uses it. It can be annoying to be tortured 3 times in a row in a 4-player game, but it's no worse than a Witch that you can sometimes avoid or plan for since the Curse goes into your hand.

I think the most important thing about the nastier attacks is to have one or two ways to deal with them, even if it's just one of the defensive cards. I love Secret Chamber - in a 5 player game where 3 people were playing Pirate Ships, I cleaned up by constantly being able to use the Chambers to move coins into my hand and force victory cards to be discarded. I was as gently caress.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Coulda embargoed the embargoes if you wanted to push Duke.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


I would too but it's still better than just sitting there letting them embargo your Duchies without penalty.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


It's also fun to have a card that is a counter to the attacks that isn't a designated anti-attack card - Library is an obvious example for Militia and Torturer; Steward is a good one for anything that shits up your deck with Curses or other garbage.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


I used the cheap ones from Mayfair games and they fit okay with a few corrections. I pull 28 Coppers out and put them in the middle and then put the Coppers where the Silvers should be and the Silvers where the Coppers should be. Then I pull 12 Estates out and add them to the Coppers in the middle - this is not necessary but then you have the starter decks ready to go.

I can't take credit for this idea - I read it somewhere either here or on BGG.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Ahahahahahaha I can't stop laughing at how stupid those comics are...someone took the time to do that?

e: Apropos of nothing (apart from that I just looked at his terrible comic about Woodcutter) does anyone else have friends that look at Woodcutter and gasp, and say, "Wait a second, why would you ever buy Silver instead of this?" I have a friend who does this pretty much every time we play...he's been playing the game with me since the first time I played.

e2: http://dominion.diehrstraits.com/co...ionComix003.PNG what the gently caress is this one even referring to

Luce fucked around with this message at Dec 31, 2009 around 03:57

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Gotta say, it's mighty disappointing to learn that those are bad on purpose. Do you go around telling little kids about Santa, too?

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Has anyone had any luck with Native Village? It seems like a cool card and I really like it in theory but it just seems too random to really incorporate into any kind of strategy and trying to set up combos with it seems to be a waste of time.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


You'll never win if you always have a fistful of Provinces and Duchies!

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


I've only used BSW to play Tichu. It usually goes like this:

Me: "Wow, a hand with 4 Aces, 4 Kings, and the 1 and the Dragon. This'll be sweet."
Partner: *calls Tichu while holding three 2s and the dog*

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


I'd rather keep the Silver in my deck so I can draw it with my Council Room.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Zigmidge posted:

Saboteur loving owns, fyi. Scariest card in the game no doubt.

Saboteur is loving retarded, fyi. As annoying as Swindler can be at least it doesn't cause people to lose because of lucky hits on Provinces.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


It's not grammar it's decency and being an adult. Nothing is more pathetic than someone over 12 who insists that "I don't mean gay like homosexual I mean gay like stupid, durr."

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Except one involves being and acting like a decent human being soooo...

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


All but two of the people I have taught Dominion to went out and bought it afterwards. That's how much Dominion owns.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


My favorite thing in Dominion flavor-wise is Mining a Silver into a Harem. "Hey guys, check out what I found down here!"

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Since when does Thief give you no actual benefit?

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Vyse_23 posted:

Ok, this I can agree with, but I still wouldn't go Thief/Gardens.

That's too bad I pulled over 80 points in a game with Thief, Gardens, Workshop, and Throne Room.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


No way. Thief let me add 4+ cards to my hand per turn and bought me a couple extra turns the times I hit Golds.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Vyse_23 posted:

You weren't actually putting the money you Thiefed into your hand, were you? You meant to say "deck," right?

Yes I meant to say deck.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Provinces are not fine. Provinces force you to either get in on the Provicing or get out of the game.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Is that BSW or is it some prototype for RGG's Dominion online stuff?

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


what is going on in here

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


gently caress yessssssssssssss

here's a BGG link: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardg...ominion-alchemy

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


I think the general complaint about some (but not all) attacks are that they make the game unfun not because of what they do but because what they do makes the game last so much longer. Most people hate Thief not because it irks them to get their poo poo stolen (though it does) but because it drags the game out so loving much sometimes.

Saboteur is loving retarded though.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Multiple buys and the game is ending soon - better to spend your extra cash on a point than on a Silver. I've had games come down to Estates before.

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Duchies gone and game close to ending?

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


HE REGRETS NOTHING

Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Nope he said he doesn't regret Throne Room despite the fact that he has to do that.

e: found it:

"Third, there’s The Throne Room Variations. As usual most of the questions people have are about Throne Room. I have no regrets. I do have answers though. Where there’s no confusion, I will just marvel at what you get out of Throning the different cards."

from: http://www.boardgamenews.com/index....minion_seaside/

Luce fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2010 around 02:56

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Luce
Jan 2, 2008

good morning sunshine


Countblanc posted:

Donald X is a fat sack of poo poo

qft

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