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Rodrigo Diaz posted:here is a much better video showing the same thing, and a bit more. The narrator makes the video just too much. I also really, really want an AK now.
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| # ¿ Mar 3, 2011 13:46 |
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| # ¿ May 20, 2013 00:24 |
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Has anyone built an AK from a parts kit? How hard was it, and what special tools did you need? I am fairly mechanically adept, but I have no access to specialized machining tools - I've heard you can build them with screws or bolts or some such to avoid having to rivet poo poo though.
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| # ¿ Mar 7, 2011 04:34 |
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Thanks for everyone getting back to me on the kit builds - I'm not up to the challenge of welding and riveting something that is going to be containing an explosion inches away from my face, I think. Anyways...is there any reason not to buy a WASR or Saiga in .223? I want an AK-pattern rifle, but it'd help if I could just buy one type of rifle ammo for my AR and future AK. Can they take standard AK furniture and parts still? Are they horribly terrible in some way that isn't obvious?
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| # ¿ Mar 9, 2011 02:05 |
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Mishaco posted:I would recommend against the WASR-3....but i really don't need to. They are not commonly available and usually run $450+ anyway. They aren't dangerous, just not as reliable as other AKs because they are a half-assed conversion that Romania did for the US civie market. That said, the WASR-3 does use typical AK furniture and most parts. I'll check out the arsenal AKs, I'd just assumed they were far too expensive to consider, but around $600 is reasonable. The Golani Sporters looked cool, but  CENTURY ARMS. Are they decent quality?
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| # ¿ Mar 9, 2011 11:30 |
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Well, looking at my options...if I bought a Saiga, I would certainly try and convert it, which is a terrible idea, and I'd still be stuck with terrible furniture, so no. I'll heed to Misha's wisdom and put a WASR-3 out of mind. The Arsenal AK's look really nice, but they cost so much...I'd just be using it for a shooter, and for that much I wouldn't be saving any money by only having to buy one type of ammo. Sigh...I may just get one of J&Gs vz. 2008s.
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| # ¿ Mar 10, 2011 01:57 |
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CAT ON THE COUCH!! posted:This is my favorite part about them (it makes them charming!). I wish CZ hadn't discontinued theirs I have a massive hard-on for CZ products in general - I've wanted a vz.58 anyways (though a guy on arfcom has a Skorpion for $400) I might break down - only question is whether I should get one of the Classic Arms wood stocked ones, or get a side folder from J&G...hmmm...
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| # ¿ Mar 10, 2011 02:24 |
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Wait, there are AKs that take STANAG magazines?
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| # ¿ Mar 16, 2011 01:20 |
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Mishaco posted:I have pictures of our new kitten and i put a gun in one of them so its TFR fitting. Who wants to see? Nope. Not a single person on TFR likes cats. 
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| # ¿ May 7, 2011 15:07 |
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That cat is adorable. Dog is awesome. And I want an AR lower that says its restricted to military/law enforcement use only.
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| # ¿ May 8, 2011 05:28 |
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So no more of the oh-jesus price-gouging for Saigas?
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| # ¿ May 14, 2011 01:03 |
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So, what is exactly about a krink-style AK that makes them cost 3-4x as much as other AKs? They don't seem to be anything more than a short-gas version of the rifle.
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| # ¿ Jun 1, 2011 02:48 |
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If you're going to SBR your Draco, do it right and have a gunsmith put in a left-side folder trunion. Now that would be hot poo poo.
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| # ¿ Jun 6, 2011 23:18 |
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incredibull posted:No way in hell that was never fired, but it's probably still in just as good shape. That is stupid good looking, but the stock looks too long...I assume that is a NATO-length one?
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| # ¿ Jun 10, 2011 21:20 |
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mischief posted:How good of a deal is this? This requires a MILLED receiver. Those are much, much more expensive than the $50 stamped Nodak Spud ones.
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| # ¿ Jun 23, 2011 00:05 |
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Mishaco posted:cool....i wasn't pickin' on you---i was seriously confused and thought maybe i was missing a feature of the AIMR. You should really post pictures of the KR - I'm having issues finding a decent one online, and I'd like to see it with the better furniture on it.
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| # ¿ Jun 23, 2011 03:25 |
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Finally had a chance to shoot an AK pattern rifle today - a pre-ban Egyptian Maadi in fantastic shape. Holy crap, that was fun to shoot! After hearing everyone bitch about the safety, amongst other ergonomic downfalls, it didn't feel much more awkward to use than an AR. It was also a bit funny how the recoil impulse felt sharper on the AK than the FAL which I had been shooting. That said, if I'm just looking for something to shoot, would I be better off getting a -47 or a -74 pattern rifle? I know 5.45 is cheap right now, but surplus doesn't last forever. Either way, I think I may end up getting a Saiga and converting it myself...who knows?
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| # ¿ Jul 1, 2011 03:26 |
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Mishaco posted:I bought an SAR-1 in 2000. I bought an SAR-2 in 2002. I never had trouble finding ammunition and magazines for the sAR-1 but i did have trouble finding commercial 5.45mm from time to time. Its because they only import it twice a year and in smaller batches than they do 7.62x39mm. Misha, all you're doing is making me want to buy several AKs instead of one.  I'd love a vz.58, but I'm concerned about spare parts and magazine availability, and I have concerns about buying a discontinued century product, leaving me with the rather expensive (but awesome) czechpoint models. It will fit in with my CZ collection though...At the rate I shoot rifle, unless I get into 3-gun, I could buy two crates of 5.45 surplus now and be set for a long, long time. Despite that...I can buy 7.62 at Walmart for cheap if need be, and it generally seems to be more common commercially both online and locally. On the other hand, it has been available for longer, and maybe once 5.45 has been around for longer, it will become more common too? Either way, regardless of what caliber I get, it's either going to have decent wood furniture on it, or find some of that awesome plum stuff. Do 47s and 74 models have interchangeable furniture? Since I'm going for just a shooter/token AK piece, I'm not too worried about anything fancy, just something that shoots decent and I can hit at 100 yards with. As such, I'm probably looking at either a standard WASR-10 for my 7.62 gun, or a Bulgie M74 for a 5.45 option. Same as the vz.58 though...with the 5.45 guns, I have concerns about spare parts and magazine availability. The other option for either is to buy a Saiga. They seem to be around $350 right now, and since I'll be replacing the furniture likely on whatever I buy that isn't really an expensive. Supposedly, the newer ones already have the receiver cut for the PG and military trigger group, too. Final option...a used Arsenal AK. I'm keeping an eye out on arfcom. TheFuglyStik posted:
His Maadi actually had a standard stock and PG on it. Maybe it wasn't a Maadi? It was definitely Egyptian made. In any case, I really don't mind the thumbhole stocks (gasp!). It was a blast to shoot though - having never handled or fired an AK before, it felt a lot more solid and clunky and communist then I ever though it would, which was awesome.
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| # ¿ Jul 2, 2011 22:35 |
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on having a ball with the Maadi. People make fun of the stock, but I'll be damned if it isn't the most fun and most reliable AK I've ever gotten hold of.
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Professor Awesome posted:The aluminum Vz.58 magazine is quite a bit lighter than the giant pig-iron slab of WWII era technology that is a metal 7.62x39 magazine, something which Warsaw Pact countries obviously came to see as unnecessary weight since the vast majority of AK-74 magazines were lightweight polymer or bakelite designs. Plus the Vz.58 has a bolt holdopen feature thanks to that big spine on the rear of it's magazines which is one of the things I really like about it. Why go through all the trouble of making a 7.62x39 rifle that isn't an AK if you turn around and remove the useful distinctive features because that's how the AK does it? Oh gently caress me that is awesome. Is it an SBR? Or are you in Canada? I really want one, regardless. I did discover I have one more option - I have a local smith who will assemble and refinish an AK from a kit for $200, and does great work. All I have to bring him is a parts kit, barrel, and whatever 922(r) parts I need. He'll get the NDS receiver. Are century guns typically built using quality parts, and the "sketchy" part of them comes from the assembly? or vice versa?
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| # ¿ Jul 3, 2011 21:35 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:OK, this may be one of those "gun store guy says:..." things, but I wanted to ask before I go and potentially break the law here. If you take the thumb hole stock off or put a high capacity magazine (which you've probably already done) in it, you need to worry about 922r compliance (officially). there are other features which will put you there either, but those are the most common.
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| # ¿ Jul 7, 2011 23:47 |
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Vorlonesque posted:I understand this...its why I have a nice Russian military PK-A for my SGL as well as the less authentic co-witnessing mount. I will say the PK-A is (IMHO) nicer looking with the rifle...but that's just me. The RS co-witnessing mount does lend itself to a nicer cheekweld I have to admit. wilfoy said similar earlier, but you have one of the most attractive AKs I've seen.
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| # ¿ Jul 17, 2011 22:53 |
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What's the deal with the Century Tantels? I feel like I always hear lots of negative things about them, but I thought century's AKs in general were moistly decent now? Also, I feel like I've heard that they can't take standard AK furniture. True/False?
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| # ¿ Jul 17, 2011 23:27 |
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king of the bongo posted:Filter thread for Mishacos posts only and do a CTRL+F for "Tantal". It's been explained in detail and he also has a pretty nice OP with a ton of info.  I didn't even think to look at the OP, it appears that had everything I needed to know.
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| # ¿ Jul 17, 2011 23:37 |
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My I just got back from my smith, and he managed to convince me I need an AK last yesterday. He does really, really good builds for reasonable prices, and he has an FFL so he'll get the receiver for me with no transfer fee. (intersting note: he has a kickin' rad 6.8 SPC AK he just finished up. Never seen one before). Now, he'll do a VZ-58 for me, which I'd prefer, but receivers seem to be impossible to find. That leaves me with an actual AK pattern rifle. I'm thinking I want one in 5.45, but I'll take a 7.62 if I can get a good price on a kit. Since I'm starting from scratch, I can pick the trunions I want installed, and I would LOVE a left-side folder. How much am I looking at for a trunion and stock? Also, what is a good price for a 5.45 kit/7.62 kit? I'd like something with a fixed stock, since that is what I will go with if I can't get a lefty-folder.
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| # ¿ Jul 29, 2011 23:47 |
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I love the vz.58s, but the cost is prohibitive. Between the receiver, compliance parts, and parts kit, it would definitely be cheaper just to buy a Czechpoint (which I plan on doing - from you, at that). An AK build on the other hand...the M1960 is cool, but I'd prefer something in 5.45 unless I got a good deal on a 7.62 kit. I was looking for a CAI Bulgie M74, but I have not been able to find one for a reasonable price. With 922r parts, the receiver, and the parts kit, I can get it thrown together and still come out cheaper than an Arsenal build with what, by all accounts, is a very high quality rifle.
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| # ¿ Jul 30, 2011 02:11 |
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Perhaps someone here will know? There are some cheap Bulgie AK47 parts kits on the market right now. The only problem is, they are made for a milled receiver. Supposedly if you replace the front and rear trunions, you can use the kit on a stamped receiver. Confirm/Deny? I figure this would be cheaper than buying a milled receiver.
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| # ¿ Aug 2, 2011 01:37 |
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Last irritating AK build question! If I bought a Nodak receiver, a brand new US barrel (and other compliance parts), and a complete parts kit, how hard would it be to build a kit properly? It appears that riveting the trunnions in isn't too hard with a hand press, which can be had for ~$50. I work at an autoshop and have access to plenty of giant gently caress-off presses and vices, also. Is this something that could be handled? It looks like I could throw one together for about $400 on my own - $50 receiver, $200 parts kit, $150 barrel/922r poo poo.
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| # ¿ Aug 5, 2011 22:17 |
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I need a modern sling that doesn't suck. It's actually for my vz.58 folder, so there are side sling mounts on the left side at the front of the handguards and rear of the receiver. What are some suggestions?
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| # ¿ Aug 24, 2011 00:03 |
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The Rat posted:If all you're doing is putting a few mags worth downrange at a time in a leisurely setting, sure. Wait, are you telling me someone decided to give people WASRs for an actual "functional" role? I don't have any experience (good or bad) with WASRs, but it seems for something like that one would be best off dropping the extra money for something else...
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| # ¿ Aug 26, 2011 21:48 |
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Has anyone gotten their hands on the new TGI import Saigas yet? For $300, I'm tempted to buy one and do the conversion myself as a fun project, but I'm curious whether this batch has the pistol grip holes and such milled out already.
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| # ¿ Oct 3, 2011 22:31 |
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Has anyone made any progress with the J&G $300 Saigas? I want to do a conversion, but I can't weld, so I'm curious as to how many holes are left in the receiver after it. Post pictures of your AK optical setups ITT. Czechpoint has a nifty siderail for vz.58s that more or less replicates an AK siderail, and I discovered I can get upper handguard mounts for Canada with no problem. Anyone ever put a magnified optic on theirs?
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| # ¿ Oct 16, 2011 00:28 |
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If they can be filled with rivits, that's not too bad, since I'm going to be making a rivit squeezer for the trigger group anyways. Did you do the conversion for the handguards yourself? How did you do it (those guides don't go into that part)?
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| # ¿ Oct 16, 2011 16:19 |
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I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around these magwell conversions. How do they attach to the rifle? And how do they seat the magazine at the proper height? It seems that it would hold the mag too low for proper feeding...
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| # ¿ Oct 30, 2011 15:25 |
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I'd be more excited to have AK style sights on an AR...
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| # ¿ Oct 30, 2011 22:44 |
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Ozmiander posted:Is a 1-2 ton hand arbor enough to set the rivets in an ak build? I'd be interested in that too, since I have a shop full of heavy automotive tools. What have people been using to press barrels in and set rivits? Also, is it bad that I really want to buy either the DDR AK47 kit or the RPK kit and do a build? they seem like good values. Anyone actually carrying repro RPK barrels though? What about barrels for the yugo underfolder kit?
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| # ¿ Nov 13, 2011 00:58 |
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https://www.apexgunparts.com/produc...roducts_id/2128 This is the RPK kit I was looking at. It seems like the kit ($259) + barrel (~$120) + receiver ($100) would already put me really close to a AES-10b, which I've heard good things about - might forget about that one. I was thinking about doing this kit, though: https://www.apexgunparts.com/produc...roducts_id/1540 Only $165 for the kit, plus $110 for the barrel, ~$60 for the receiver, and then some money for compliance parts. I have a smith who will park everything for dirt cheap, so that's not an issue. It's an underfolder, but they do look kinda neat, plus I could probably find a rear trunion + fixed stock for cheap if I wanted.
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| # ¿ Nov 13, 2011 15:58 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:PB is way up there on the list of poo poo you can buy at home depot that every gun owner should just have. For as much as I hate my current job, all of my gun cleaning supplies went from cheap to free as soon as I began working there. Also: industrial parts cleaner, brake cleaning station, etc etc.
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| # ¿ Dec 13, 2011 17:10 |
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I know a few people here started on this project, but I'm wondering if there are any updates: Who has bought some of the new batch of $300 Saigas that came in and converted them? Particularly, the .223 ones? I've heard that all of them now have the pistol grip and trigger group holes pre-drilled, which is nice, but if I bought one I'd want to convert to standard AK furniture too, so I'm wondering if anyone has gotten that far.
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| # ¿ Dec 31, 2011 19:02 |
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Is Arsenal ever going to get any more SLRs in? Or if I want a decent .223 AK, am I going to need to do a Saiga conversion? I know I *should* get a Galil, but I want an AK dammit, and preferably one of a newer (100-series?) styling. It seems I could do a conversion of a $300 Saiga for around another $200, which isn't too bad, and I have a smith who'll do all the difficult bits for me for cheap. edit: this would be awesome: http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.p...&cat=356&page=1 edit: Though Galils are pretty neat. Still think they'd be more expensive then a Saiga conversion. IuniusBrutus fucked around with this message at Jan 11, 2012 around 04:52 |
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incredibull posted:Mishaco keeps saying that Arsenal says "they're coming," but we know how that always turns out, and if they do get SLR-106s they'll probably get like fifteen of them, or some other stupid low number. Just curious as to what you did with as far as a bullet guide and magazines go - Galil magazines seem to be a common favorite, but I'd like to keep it more "authentic" if possible and use surplus .223 AK magazines. Also, are the Saigas a .223 or 5.56 chamber? fffffff looks like I dragged my feet too long one one anyways. 
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| # ¿ May 20, 2013 00:24 |
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Since I no longer have an AR ( ), a .223 AK no longer has any particular appeal. That said, what is the current best price/value AK these days? 7.62 or 5.45, doesn't matter a ton to me. Only requirements are a chrome-lined barrel, optics mount, ability to take bitching plum furniture, and minute-of-ISPC target accuracy. Arsenal AKs seem perfect, but they are pricy, and Misha has managed to convince me that they are a bunch of assholes. I'd also strongly prefer a fixed-stock, since right side folders all look silly to me, and if I want a left-side folder I have a smith who can swap the trunions with zero problems for cheap. I also would like it if the muzzle/gasblock had real threads on it. Also, do the russian Kobra red dots suck? They look like they give a neck-weld, so I'm expecting that, but how are they quality wise? edit: I have zero brand snobbery when it comes to AKs, so Century builds are not out of the question. IuniusBrutus fucked around with this message at Jan 17, 2012 around 23:28 |
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