LividLiquid posted:

I'm not getting it either, but nobody can even substantiate the birdshit ad rumor. Nobody has it, nobody remembers seeing it, and nobody can find the issue of the observer that quote was supposedly lifted from. I wouldn't put much stock in it.

LividLiquid posted:

Had he not pulled the shows, the company would have been sold to Fusient and Eric Bischoff, leaving the huge contracts such as Nash Hogan and Hart with AOL Time Warner.

Without Jamie Kellner, WCW may have survived and become much, much better.

GrimGypsy posted:

If you really, really picture this - I think it more or less sums up the dueling silliness, sadness, unintentional hilarity, and tragedy of late WCW.

Captain Charisma posted:

Schiavone in the 80s NWA was really good, imo. Maybe it's because the alternative was David Crockett, but he fit.

The guy whose praise I don't quite get (nostalgia, but it goes beyond that) is Gorilla Monsoon. The guy was terrible. The only ability he had was to be able to play a good straight man with Ventura and Heenan. When he was with anybody else, he was abysmal, and when he wasn't doing banter with the aforementioned two he was also atrocious. He got moves wrong, sounded bored, and I remember a couple of times where it was said that some wrestlers didn't like him because he'd kill their moves by saying "Oh he'll get outta this one easily!" and poo poo.

Golden Bee posted:

According to his book, he actually just started insulting them so they'd be really really rowdy when they got back.

They really, really misused Jericho.

Satire Forum Mom posted:

He's not- Scott Steiner sounds like a really smart, logical dude in that shoot. He's full of poo poo sometimes, but I mean, guy's still a wrestler.

MassRayPer posted:

One of the greatest matches in WCW History:

Sid vs The Nightstalker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhdmUW6NHPA

HHH learned how to use his sledgehammer from this match.

Wazzu posted:

Is somebody willing to give a rundown of the show to explain why it was so bad?

LividLiquid posted:

Jeremy Piven didn't use his character's name and neither did that Napoleon Dynamite kid, but we were expected to believe that the actors are exactly like their characters, which I suppose is a bit different, but it still bothers the poo poo out of me.

Totally thought it was Doink. Evil, original, Jack-Nicholson Joker Doink. Not stupid clown Doink.

maniacripper posted:

To this day my casual wrestling friends think that the warrior who came back in WCW is a look alike because the real warrior died when he left WWF.

I don't know if they're in denial or are just really stupid.

Rusty Shackelford posted:

Back to the TV Universe discussion for a minute.

When Judah Friedlander was on the MSG Raw as Frank, that means that Raw and 30 Rock share the same universe, right?

GOP posted:

What's 'post' about he misfits. Punk band started in 1976.

Pneub posted:

And he kicked out of a jackhammer. That was pretty much the headstone on his WCW career.

Lurkee Mcgee posted:

I know I can look a lot of this stuff up online without asking you guys, so I've been going that route. One thing that I don't know if I'm understanding correctly: The WCW reboot. What exactly happened? Did they just come on TV one night and say "we're dropping everything, and writing new stuff"??

Has there ever been such an absolute breaking of the fourth wall in pro wrestling like that?

MassRayPer posted:

That was also a pretty good show!

MassRayPer posted:

That is one of the best matches in cruiserweight title history but the second half of that card is utter trash with a legendarily bad and insulting main event.

oldpainless posted:

How many Nitros actually ended with some huge nWo run-in to cause a DQ and beat down the face? I know it happened but has it been blown out of proportion due to time and bashing WCW? Just a rough figure, was it only actually like 10 times or was it literally almost every week like people say it was?

jeffersonlives posted:

On the other hand, the crossface and diving headbutt have both reappeared, which honestly I never thought I'd see again in a WWE ring after the Benoit tragedy.

Sporadic posted:

I never heard that one before. Do you think that could have been because of the Monday Night Wars? 1998 was when the WWF was still behind, wasn't it?

Jack Krauser posted:

Perigryn posted:

-Sheamus winning King of the Ring and then going on a losing streak afterwords was attributed to Dunn not liking him
-No JR ('too southern')
-Mid PPV concerts
-Less wrestling
-Diva Search
-Tough Enough
-Katie Vick

Paul Bearer said he's the only person he actually hates in all the time he's been in the business.

MassRayPer posted:

Or the time some puro company wouldn't let Meltzer or any of the fans leave a TV taping even though it was like 2 in the morning.

SteelAngel2000 posted:

Man, this takes me back.

I absolutely adored WCW back in the day. I first started watching right after the nWo formation in 1996, and for three years, even after WCW started getting really bad, it was my premier destination on Monday Nights.

I watched for Sting more than anybody else, but honestly I can't think of anything in that three year stretch that made me too angry. Raven and his flock, the introduction of Goldberg and his pseudo rivalry with Chris Jericho (I had a Jericholics T-shirt, what of it), Lance Storm and Hacksaw Jim Duggan turning pro-Canada for a while for some reason, just to name a few things I can remember off of the top of my head.

I was a Wolfpack guy myself, mostly because of Sting. I remember sitting in utter horror watching Sting reveal his nWo black and white shirt, then breathed a huge sigh of relief when he ripped it off and had a red and black shirt on underneath. Sting was awesome.

Did they ever reveal who drove the stupid hummer?

VogeGandire posted:

Jericho/Malenko was gold, and I put that down them not over-complicating it. They didn't try any pointless swerves, they just gave the crowd what they wanted. They were hot for Jericho mocking Dean, Dean disappears, Jericho keeps mocking him, Dean comes out of nowhere and slaps Jericho around like he owes him money.

Plus the pop for Malenk-ope unmasking is one of the biggest pops I've ever heard.

To this day, it's still one of my favourite feuds. I still mark out like crazy when Malenko just stands up after unmasking and gives Jericho the most evil-looking death glare I've ever seen, before just beating seven shades of poo poo out of him.

EugeneJ posted:

MassRayPer thinks that if something isn't published, it never happened. I disagree with that.

For instance, if five people in a wrestling company personally tell me something happened backstage, and MRP counters with "SHOW ME WHERE THAT WAS WRITTEN I CAN NOT FIND AN ARTICLE ON THIS" - well, that's just silly.

coconono posted:

WCW basically had a bunch of old white men sitting around trying to think of ways to make WCW 'cool'

That's how you got Spring Breaks, Nitro Parties, NWO Souled Out, Monster Trucks, Biker Rallies, etc.

MassRanTer posted:

You have to remember that Bischoff was initially inspired by seeing the first UWFi vs NJPW dome show. The idea behind that rivalry was it was promotion vs promotion, that the real pro wrestlers were taking on the fake pro wrestlers. NJPW even kept UWFi around as a seperate promotion for awhile even though the whole reason the feud came about was UWFi was no longer viable. So the blueprint was there and it seems plausible that making the nWo its own thing would add to the overall feud, especially if Sting was taking the title. Granted, I have no idea how the nWo would work as its own show. I can see how it would work for one PPV a year, maybe, but its own show, no.