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Rabbi Satan posted:Quoted for the loving truth. Wacom's gotten too comfortable in their lofty perch, and they're no longer innovating or even *trying* (As far as I know) to come up with the Holy Grail of on-the-go digital painting and sketching - I.E. a portable Cintiq, with actual long battery life, capable of running photoshop, painter, or whatever. But the whole stylus-on-glass thing has simply reached its maximum potential, in my opinion. The nature of the technology is inherently limiting and requires software to simulate way too much. The diversity and sensitivity of artists' tools bears almost no resemblance to the pen-tablet experience. You can't hold the stylus in anything but a precision/writing grip, which is exactly the opposite of how you properly hold pencils or paintbrushes. The lack of texture, nuance, tactile feedback of any kind is pretty inhumane. As much as the technology appears to improve, it never gets any closer to solving these basic insufficiencies. Personally I've just given up on pure digital as artistic medium. At this point I'd rather deal with natural media, pigments, surfaces which reflect light instead of emitting it -- and have original paintings to sell when all is said and done. After 10 years of trying to make all-digital work for me, it was 75% frustration and struggle and only 25% satisfaction.
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Jul 21, 2012 18:29
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Be careful which one you buy if you do buy it - Frenden is posting a lot on his blog lately about how there are two different generations of that model, one of which is great and the other of which is ganked. They have two different digitizers.
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Jan 16, 2013 15:28
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Look into Manga Studio 5! Especially if you're on a Mac. SAI is wonderful and is my sentimental favorite, but MS5 looks like it might be a real contender.
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Jan 23, 2013 14:17
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Noah posted:
The ability to work directly on the screen is the most important thing. You can attach a Cintiq to anything and it improves the working experience. The computer it's attached to doesn't even need to be all that powerful. When the iMac is obsolete, the Cintiq will still be valuable because you will be able to hook it up to whatever, Mac or PC.
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Feb 28, 2013 21:09
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You definitely need a large workspace. I have an older model which is on an Ergotron arm, but I don't believe the newer ones are light enough to be put on an arm. The newer Cintiqs have their own stands which have a large footprint. An extra monitor is never a bad thing. Depending on where the design work is going, you may have to work a bit to calibrate the color of the Cintiq with another display.
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Feb 28, 2013 21:29
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Yeah that sounds pretty good to me at least.
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Feb 28, 2013 22:50
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No, they use a different radio frequency. Even the various generations of Intuos aren't cross-compatible. You might be able to get a differently-shaped stylus that works for your model, though...
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Apr 18, 2013 12:05
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Bored posted:Thank you so much for this list. That's not sarcasm, in case you're wondering. How true is color on the 21ux?
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May 3, 2013 20:27
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kefkafloyd posted:If you like painting or doing calligraphy where rotating the brush during the middle of the stroke is essential to the process, yes. I've been on the fence about getting one of the newer art pens. I had the older model and liked how chunky it was, but I've heard the new one doesn't keep the nib in place, so it can just spin around as you move the stylus. If the nib can move freely, how do you make sure it's aligned correctly with the pen rotation? 
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Jul 17, 2013 17:03
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I am convinced that all Cintiqs are color-hosed. I have used several models and the color on them is ALWAYS WRONG. 
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Sep 16, 2013 14:48
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Yup. Also, curse God every day.
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Sep 16, 2013 15:03
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Tesla Was Robbed posted:Inthreeos Pro phi. It runs Linux and the software is Qt-based, so if you have Linux experience and C++ ability you can do all kinds of fun stuff. Once you get the package manager running, if you want you can try the drawing app I jury-rigged for it: http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/asus-eee-line/47605-neeeondraw-modified-sketching-app-eeenote.html The source code is there on the last page of that thread. Here are some drawings I made with the program:  
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Sep 20, 2013 14:44
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Neo Duckberg posted:Am I dumb for replacing my broken Intuos4 with... An Intuos4? Yes, you should replace it with an Intuos 3. 
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Nov 19, 2013 02:05
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SexyBlindfold posted:Hey, I won an Intuos5 on a contest, and it's been pretty sweet so far (at least when compared to my busted up Genius 8x6), but every once in a while and for no particular reason the drivers (all updated) seem to fart up and die, and then I have to either unplug it or restart my computer for it to work properly again (pen sensitivity, extra buttons, etc). Is this standard fare for wacom tablets? As far as I know. I've had that problem with every Wacom product I've ever owned.
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Dec 2, 2013 17:29
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MeKeV posted:As someone that has only drawn with a mouse so far, would an old generation Fujitsu t730 for GB£250 bet a silly purchase at this point in time? As a tablet PC owner I can tell you that the screen size can be very cramped. When you factor in all the software interface elements, as well as the decrease in accuracy near the edges of the screen, your real useful tablet screen area is about a 4x6" rectangle. That is good for doing very detailed touch-up work, but often uncomfortably small when working on large images. For coloring/touch-up stuff, I don't think you'll have much difficulty using a non-screen tablet. The disconnect gets unacceptable when you're doing things like inking comics where, if you're not working directly on screen, you're making the same mark 25 times and hitting Undo until it's finally correct. But other than that type of unforgiving work, it doesn't take long to get used to the hand-eye disconnect after the first couple months of practice.
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Jan 4, 2014 15:41
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Don't get anything that isn't Wacom.* *Except for external devices like the Monoprice/Huion/etc.
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Apr 10, 2014 19:16
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When it comes to all-in-one tablets, there are a couple of non-Wacom systems out there (Ntrig, and whatever the heck is in the Dell Venue Pro), and they're all terrible.
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Apr 10, 2014 20:41
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You might want to look into a Surface or other Windows based tablet, OneNote has a lot of features for people doing math. Like it can translate math handwriting to pretty equations, and it can do calculus.
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Feb 22, 2015 15:58
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the_lion posted:My Pro 2 had hardware issues, and got replaced with a Pro 3. Very happy. Microsoft is moving toward using the MS login for everything, not much you can do there.
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Feb 25, 2015 16:27
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Honestly the only way that working at a cintiq has ever been comfortable for me has been when I made a makeshift standing desk for it. But unfortunately I moved and don't have the same furniture anymore.  Working on it at a seated position is awkward and gets painful after a while.
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Feb 27, 2015 21:17
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kefkafloyd posted:I would suggest looking at an Ergotron sit-stand arm. Frown Town's got one there on their 27HD. You can clamp it on to any desk or table and position the cintiq any way you want and use it standing up or sitting down. I have the LX arm but found it gets in the way of the bulge that sticks out the back of the unit. Maybe I should get the sit-stand arm instead...
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Feb 27, 2015 22:35
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I use mine mostly for 2d animation and digital painting, and in that case I want the screen to be tilted slightly away from me like a drafting table or animation desk. One issue I have is that Wacom styluses have these teeny weeny tips that don't really reflect how I use real pencils. When I draw I tend to use the side of the pencil most often, and rarely do I ever use the tip portion. The tilt responsiveness of the drivers is great, but it's still a weird, unnatural grip.
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Feb 27, 2015 22:44
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kefkafloyd posted:The old Inutos 3 era 6D Art pen was really good for this. It had a big fat chisel nib. I really liked it a lot. The current Art Pen is just a standard pen with fatter nibs (or skinny chisel nibs). UGH I know, I have one of these and it was the best but it's not compatible with anything anymore. The new art pen is hardly a proper replacement.
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Feb 28, 2015 02:25
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Yeah, that sucks. I waited a full year to get my hands on a 21UX back in the day, they have some supply chain problems and the demand is the same regardless.
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Apr 29, 2015 14:04
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I've been using felt nibs on my 21UX for four years or so and have not scratched the screen. The risk I believe is in getting a piece of grit stuck in the felt, not the nib itself scratching the screen.
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Jul 12, 2015 14:54
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buy a roll of newsprint and some graphite pencils Edit: But really, though, trying to learn how to draw for the first time using a tablet as your medium is generally not a great idea. For one thing, it keeps you tethered to your computer, which encourages drawing from photos and not from life. Drawing on a tablet is tough, and if you're just starting out you run the risk of improving more slowly than you would if you just buy a stack of paper and get going. I speak from personal experience. I wasted about 5 good years of time when I could have been improving much faster, because I was wrestling with both basic draftsmanship AND the weirdness of digital drawing at the same time. neonnoodle fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 29, 2015 |
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Jul 29, 2015 22:07
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windex posted:Not trying to make you angrier, but the one I just got here in Japan is basically perfect. You have the worst luck of all time. The sub-par units go to the gaijin. 
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Aug 13, 2015 15:14
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Well, Wacom's gone and changed their product naming system again! 
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Sep 4, 2015 13:26
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Only the Pro supports the Pencil (for now) but the tracking and tilt etc. are all BETTER than a Wacom.
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Jan 30, 2016 19:05
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The Intuos 3 is the best best best one. It's really durable. Get another one on eBay.
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Mar 3, 2016 12:55
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Corel Painter has a new fluid dynamics engine for watercolor effects. It's very good, but it's also complicated. It's so fiddly that I'd prefer to use real paint TBH. FYI: I sell a watercolor brush kit for Photoshop (use discount code sagoon for $3 off). It doesn't do the fluid dynamics stuff that Rebelle or Painter does, but I'm still proud of what it can do. Because of the way it's designed, it doesn't use a ton of CPU cycles and so it runs fast on older computers even in high-resolution documents.
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Mar 6, 2016 19:46
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Teflon Don posted:Use the grey spring nib
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Mar 17, 2016 19:27
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Apr 12, 2016 20:29
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It's good but imperfect. It's very hard to go back to the Intuos style after using one because it's so much easier to make the marks where you want them, obviously. However, one of the big issues is ergonomics. Sitting in front of one, even when it's at an incline, can be rough on your back and drawing arm. I have an Ergotron arm and it's still pretty uncomfortable after long periods. As far as I know, the DPI is still about 100. That's OK, but not amazing. If you're accustomed to a Retina or 4K screen, it'll be a step down. Likewise, Cintiqs are notorious for having inconsistent color, so you might have to calibrate yours. The parallax of the glass thickness annoys some people because it creates a small offset between the cursor and the stylus tip. I have the older 21UX which has a cool stand with a gimbal thingy in the center so you can rotate it around on its stand. I think the 22HD still has that one, but they removed it for the bigger 24/27 inch models. Are you looking at the one with the touchscreen? People say it doesn't work very well, but I haven't tried it. All in all, I am glad I bought one. It was somewhat disappointing for a while because it's so expensive and yet still not quite perfect, but  oh well. It's paid for itself in the 5 or so years I've had it.
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Apr 12, 2016 20:50
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But it's warm 
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Jun 3, 2016 20:24
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Get a used Intuos3 on eBay.
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Jun 5, 2016 13:19
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Short answer is not really. Long answer is, there are various degrees of film texture that you can get. None of them are that rough because it compromises screen visibility too much. The roughest texture you can buy is still way smoother than the smoothest paper. There is a company that will send you a sample envelope of all the textures of film they sell so you can try them out. I don't have the company name in front of me at the moment but I will post it later.
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Jun 15, 2016 01:19
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I have not owned either, but here is what I know from a technical specs standpoint: Cintiq Companion: - stylus supports tilt - has hardware ExpressKeys - crappy battery life - textured screen surface - very little sign of robust support on the part of the manufacturer. They have abandoned earlier models, so beware of that. - very wide aspect ratio for the screen (more widescreen) Surface Book: - non Wacom stylus, so the cursor can lag when hovering. Still some issues with jittery lines when working very slowly and tightly. - there have been some complaints about power/sleep issues and MS has been slow to fix them - very slick screen - detachable keyboard, but you can't use it when the screen is detached (it doesn't do wireless)
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Jun 23, 2016 23:13
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Want to hear something kind of gross? Almost all the "serious" artists I know/follow on social media are getting iPads Pro. 
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Jun 24, 2016 03:13
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