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ephex
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after reading this thread and the epl debt report, i kicked back with some coffee, read this and had a good laugh.

FC Bayern Munich posted:


FC Bayern München AG posted turnover of €268.7 million, down slightly from last year’s record level (2007-8: €286.8 million) due to decreased transfer activity, but profit after tax rose some 20 percent to €2.5 million (2007-8: €2.1 million). Operating profit (Ebitda) rose to €45.0 million (2007-8: €42.0 million). FC Bayern München AG boasts equity capital totalling €177.5 million (2007-8: €176.0 million).

After presenting the latest set of results, Hopfner reported on Audi AG’s new commitment to FC Bayern, whereby the automobile manufacturer from Ingolstadt will acquire a shareholding in FC Bayern München AG ultimately totalling 9.09 percent. Audi will transfer the total investment of some €90 million in three steps up to the agreed final date of 31 March 2011.

Following the final transfer and an associated increase in capital from today’s €25 million to €27.5 million, 81.82 percent of the shares in FC Bayern München AG will be held by FC Bayern München e.V., 9.09 percent by Audi, and 9.09 percent by adidas.

“These additional funds will largely be used as repayments on the Allianz Arena, so [/b]our stadium will be free of debt considerably earlier than originally planned,” announced chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.[/b]

What they dont tell you is that Bayern indeed has debts around 220m €.
the interests are 19m € per year plus the costs for repaying the debts, ca. 30m € per year.

Bayern planned to be debt-free in 2020, but with the new money coming in from audi (90m € in 3 payments till 2011), they will achieve their goal in 2016.

Sorry folks, but that is how it's done.

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Oceanbound posted:

They've been dumping players this window to cut down the wage bill, so it's unlikely that will happen.

thats right, with the exception of the articles theory of franck ribery being sold to lower the wages being complete and utter bullshit.
they said that players need to be paid accordingly to their performance, so top players like ribery surely could get a raise if they sign a new contract.
and IF ribery wants to stay at munich, they will pay whatever he wants them to.

bayern doesnt have to sell their silverware to pay wages :v:

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Jose posted:

When was the last time Bayern won meaningful silverwear?

2001 :eng99:

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Scikar posted:

And then some oval office will buy you out with loans secured against the club and start the process all over again!

nope.

50+1 Rule posted:

All Bundesliga clubs are organised as eingetragener Verein (eV), which is similar to a Non-Profit Organisation (NPO) in Britain or a Non-Profit Corporation (NPC) in the US – to give you some orientation.In 1999 the DFL (German Football League) acknowledged the growing economic relevance of football and the legal/tax issues coming with it.
The clubs were allowed to spin off parts of the club, like the men’s football team, and turn them into separate corporations. With one important restriction: the original NPO has to keep 51 percent of the shares (50+1 Rule), essentially blocking potential investors from taking over and running the football team.
No other European league is that restrictive. So far 17 of the 36 clubs in the first and second Bundesliga have spun off their football teams. Some of the biggest names like Schalke, Hamburg and Stuttgart remain exclusively NPOs though.

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dailystar.co.uk posted:

TROUBLED Portsmouth last night put their whole squad up for sale.

And Starsport can reveal that the cash-strapped outfit are so desperate for money they even asked the Premier League to guarantee a loan so they could pay their players.

Source

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





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got my new bayern munich season ticket, 120,- € in the stands :smug:

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Barudak posted:

Well I looked into it to make sure. 600 out of 50,000 seats were affected. They put tv monitors in the area and dropped the price from 12 to 5 USD. On the other hand the stadium cost 1.5 Billion USD so its not exactly like the 600 seats saved them a ton money.

hahahaha 1.5 billion for 50.000 seats what a retarded sum of money
thats even more idiotic than wembley :D

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





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seriously i looked up that stadium and everything and i just don't see the money
are the seats made of silk and platinum or what?

just for a comparison, the allianz arena (69.000 pax) did cost 341 million euros.

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FCB posts profit for 18th year in a row
30.11.2010



The 2009-10 season was a runaway success on the field of play as Bayern claimed the double and reached the Champions League final, and the equivalent fiscal year was equally spectacular for the Munich giants. In the reporting year from 1 July 2009 to 30 June 2010, Germany’s biggest football club cracked the €300 million turnover barrier for the first time, while operating at a profit for the 18th successive year.

“Our sporting success has ensured we’ve yet again made a profit. FC Bayern is ideally placed to face the future with equity capital at 65.1 percent, or €206.4 million. It means our club is and remains financially independent and unaffected by market fluctuations,” Finance Director Karl Hopfner told 2,807 club members gathered at the Olympic Hall in Munich for Tuesday evening’s Annual General Meeting.

FC Bayern München AG posted turnover of €312.0 million, up by almost 16 percent on 2008-9 (€268.7 million). Profit after tax rose some 20 percent to €2.9 million (2008-9: €2.5 million). Operating profit (Ebitda) rose to €61.2 million (2008-9: €45.0 million). FC Bayern München AG boasts equity capital totalling €206.4 million (€2008-9: 177.5 million).

A similarly positive trend applied to the figures presented for the FC Bayern München AG group (consolidated accounts for FC Bayern München AG and Allianz Arena München Stadion GmbH). The profit after tax was the same as for FC Bayern München AG at €2.9 million (2008-9 €2.5 million), on turnover of €350.2 million (2008-9: €303.8 million). Operating profit (Ebitda) was €86.5 million (2008-9: €65.5 million). All the 2009-10 figures represent new records.

:smug:

ephex
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The Top 20 Deloitte Football Money League clubs:

http://bit.ly/f3VAYg

quote:

All of this year’s top 20 clubs are from the ‘big five’ European leagues with England contributing seven, Germany and Italy four clubs each, Spain three clubs and France two.

quote:

Whilst Spanish clubs claim the top two positions in the Money League, England retains the largest representation from any single country, with seven clubs. Manchester United, Arsenal and Chelsea all retained their previous years’ positions of third, fifth and sixth, respectively. Liverpool slipped one place to eighth.

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





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this is a fantastic insight into manchester citys finances

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-manchester-city-could-break-even.html

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





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Just FYI:

German second division football club TSV 1860 Munich is in desperate need of almost 9 million Euros until Friday or they'll face bankrupcy and relegation to the fourth (!!!) league.

On the weekend there was a huge demo in Munich with around 100.000 participants. That was the one against nuclear power. A total of 150 fans of 1860 meanwhile stood on Munichs Marienplatz in dire desparation. The atmosphere supposedly was very aggravated and in the following night the FC Bayern HQ was vandalised with blue paint, being 1860s colour.

Why would they attack Bayern now? Because they offered to "The Lions" from insolvency (again) by loaning them the money they need at a 4% interest rate (2% to the bank, 2% to Bayern).
1860 still ows Bayern around ? 2mio in rent for the Allianz Arena.

1860s president Schäfer was called a traitor on several banners while meeting with fans on the weekend because he talked to Bayern about the loan offer. In the end the deal was called off.

The fans seem to agree that the death of their club is inevitable and somehow a good thing, a chance to start anew. They will be especially ecstatic about the prospect of not playing in the Allianz Arena anymore, since the contracts are only binding down to the third league. They will most probably play in the Grünwalder Stadion again if they get relegated, together with Bayern Munich II who will most probably get relegated to the fourth league as well (they suck poo poo). So there will be still a derby in Munich :)

Well let's wait and see what the next five days bring, perhaps they somehow manage to postpone the inevitable again for a few months...

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Taff posted:

Good news, I do indeed. Heres a small portion of the horrors that awaited me when I came to work that day



Some men just want to watch the world burn.

ephex
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I am still very grateful for the introduction of the 50+1 rule in Germany.

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:smuggo:

FC Bayern München AG group (consolidated accounts for FC Bayern München AG and Allianz Arena München Stadion GmbH) posted turnover of €328.5 million , down on the previous year (2009-10: €350.2 million), but still “the second-highest turnover figure we have ever been able to report,“ Hopfner observed. Operating profit (Ebitda) was €62.3 million (2009-10: €86.5 million), with profit after tax standing at €1.3 million (2009-10: €2.9 million).

FC Bayern München AG, the joint stock company responsible for the club’s professional football operations, achieved similar results. Turnover of €290.9 million was some seven percent down on the previous year (2009-10: €312.0 million). The profit after tax was the same as for the group at €1.3 million (2009-10: €2.9 million). Operating profit (Ebitda) was €42.3 million (2009-10: €61.2 million). FC Bayern München AG boasts equity capital totalling €268.3 million (2009-10: €206.4 million).

Record membership figure

“I’m justified in describing the financial side of our club as exemplary,” commented chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, expressing great satisfaction with the company’s business performance in the last fiscal year. Hopfner noted that FCB is “in excellent commercial shape” for the future, and declared himself “confident“ of another positive financial performance next year, provided the team performs successfully on the field of play.

FC Bayern München e.V., the members’ club and ultimate parent of the professional football company, is also in rude good health, as senior vive-president Dr. Fritz Scherer reported. The club, which owns 81.8 percent of the joint stock AG, made a surplus of €900,000 in the last fiscal year, and boasts accumulated reserves of €52.5 million. “Commercially speaking, we’re a very healthy club,” commented Scherer.

Club president Uli Hoeneß also announced further new records, as club membership has risen to 171,445 (up from 162,187 last year) with a total of 2,950 officially affiliated fan clubs (2009-10: 2,764) boasting 204,322 members (2009-10: 192,160). “These are unbelievable numbers, and we’re very proud of them,” the President said.

:smuggo:

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the sex ghost posted:

didn't dortmund use their champions league money to float themselves on the stock exchange a while back and it all went horribly wrong? or am I thinking of someone else

Yeah, but their 'downfall' was mostly based on spending too much on new players and a stadium expansion, then missing the CL spots and in consequence the originally budgeted earnings.

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





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FC Bayern said on Wednesday they have sold every single ticket for the upcoming Bundesliga season 12/13 in their 69,000-capacity Allianz Arena, including almost 40,000 season tickets, and expected total attendance for the home league games to exceed 1.1 million fans.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/bayerns-season-already-sell-103558981.html

Bayern are also looking forward to at least 20m more in cash per year once their stadium has been paid off by 2020.

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Nov 4, 2007





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Tal Ben Haim has agreed to leave Pompey - a deal that takes the club another step closer towards securing its future.
Club administrator Trevor Birch announced that the former Chelsea man had now accepted a pay-off and Birch also revealed that Liam Lawrence’s future could soon be finalised.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/ben-haim-agrees-to-leave-pompey-1-4142893

Now they only have three players left in their first team.
http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/squad/first-team.aspx

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Nov 4, 2007





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Now would you look at that

ephex
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TheGoatFeeder posted:

So I know its London prices etc, but this is pretty mad:



£13.80 for Fish & Chips

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Nov 4, 2007





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Ninpo posted:

Lol loving hell and I thought the Glazers were cunts.

Reminder that the highest price at the Allianz Arena for the best regular seats at a Champions League match is €70.
A place in the stands is €15.

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julian assflange posted:

Anyone know how much corporate/private boxes are? (anywhere, just curious)

Allianz Arena :

The contract has to be signed for at least five years and each year a box costs between €90.000 and €240.000, depending on size (8-60 pax) and positioning.

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F C Bayern München AG group (consolidated accounts for FC Bayern München AG and Allianz Arena München Stadion GmbH) posted turnover of €373.4 million, significantly up compared to the previous year (€328.5 million) and comfortably “the biggest turnover we have ever reported,” said Hopfner. The operating profit (Ebitda) was €86.0 million, also considerably greater than last year (2010-11: €62.3 million), as was the profit after tax at €11.1 million (2010-11: €1.3 million).

FC Bayern München AG, the joint stock company responsible for the club’s professional football operations, achieved similar results. Turnover was up just short of 14 percent at €332.2 million (2010-11: €290.9 million). The profit after tax was the same as for the group at €11.1 million (2010-11: €1.3 million). “This means we can pay a record dividend to our shareholders of €5.5 million,” Hopfner announced.

Operating profit (Ebitda) was €69.3 million (2010-11: €42.3 million). FC Bayern München AG boasts equity capital totalling €278.3 million (2010-11: €268.3 million), “almost certainly a unique sum in world football,” commented Hopfner in the light of a capital ratio of 77.5 percent.

“All’s very well indeed with the world of FC Bayern at the moment. The club is in rude good health,” chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge said earlier in the week prior to the announcement of the outstanding financial results. “Nowadays, FC Bayern boasts solid financial foundations like never before in the 112-year history of the club,” added Hopfner.

FC Bayern München e.V., the members’ club and ultimate parent of the professional football company, is also in an extremely strong position, as senior vice-president Dr. Fritz Scherer reported. The club, which owns 81.8 percent of the joint stock AG, made a surplus of €1.6 million (2010/11: €900,000), and has amassed accumulated reserves of €54.23 million (2010/11: €52.5 million). “Commercially speaking, we are absoluely healthy and capable. We can be extremely satisfied,” commented Scherer.

Club president Uli Hoeneß also announced further new records, as club membership has risen to 187,865 (up from 171,445 last year) with a total of 3,202 officially affiliated fan clubs (2010-11: 2,950) boasting 231,197 members (2010-11: 204,322). “These are unbelievable numbers, and we’re very proud of them,” the president said.

:smuggo:

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Byolante posted:

Does that disgusting profit go directly into buying players or is it split among shareholders?

I think that most of it will be used to pay back the credit taken for the Allianz Arena, so that soon most of it will be available for buying all the players.

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Byolante posted:

Between the new English tv deal and that it will be interesting to see if football changes dramatically.

Things that are dead usually don't change.

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Lot 49 posted:

€59.9m (£47.3m).

That's for everything though. Chelsea are a perennial fixture in the quarters and beyond so they would normally get a lot of that money anyway.

Bayern made €60m from last years CL run so I guess Chelsea should have made a bit more. Not that they deserved it or anything.

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julian assflange posted:

Old Trafford's pitch is in bits, how much does a new pitch cost these days? Few hundred k?

A new lawn at the Allianz Arena (105*68m) costs €110.000.

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Tortuga posted:

You would think the Ricoh arean people would do what they could to keep Coventry there. What else are they going to do with a football stadium in Coventry?

Burn it down, then cash in on the insurance.

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Football is dead.

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FCB now is the most valuable brand in world football.

"With a brand valuation of US $860 million (€669 million), Champions League winners Bayern Munich have overtaken Manchester United ($837 million) as the most valuable brand in world football. The Premier League champions were top of last year's list but have now swapped places with the Bundesliga giants. Real Madrid ($621 million) and Barcelona ($572 million) are third and fourth in the new ranking."



http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/en/news/news/2013/42822.php

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Pissflaps posted:

What a load of crap.

You are a resentful man, Pissflaps.

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Nov 4, 2007





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Oh boy :allears:

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Scott Bakula posted:

A new report on manager salaries has been published in Brazil. Its no wonder why Guardiola chose Bayern and Allardyce/Redknapp are getting paid huge amounts



Guardialo would have earned the same or more at Chelsea/City/etc.

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pissy smelliott posted:

327k euros a week

It's gross.

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





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I like how nobody mentions Lippi makeing a shitload of soccerbux for managing a team of literal amateurs.
And Moyes making more than Klopp lol.

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oh em gee bee ess posted:

Seriously, what the hell is with Italy and not going to games? Do ultras really run off everyone? I heard a story that the san siro women's toilets are basically a de facto second men's toilet as so few women go to the games.

Old stadiums that have been worn down, bad teams that play football in a bad league, owners like Berlusconi that alienate the fans, hooligans, lots of racism, high ticket prices and the economic recession....

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Aston Villa post £51.8m loss in latest financial accounts

quote:

The accounts for the year ending May 31, 2013 show that Villa have reduced their operating losses by £9.5 million to £42.6 million.

But the loss after tax for the financial year increased by £34.1m to £51.8m because, because unlike the year before they did not generate a substantial figure in selling players and because there was a significant waiver of interest in the previous accounts.

Although the 2012-13 accounts still show large losses, it is believed the next set of accounts for 2013-14 will show that the club is self sufficient.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-post-518m-loss-6759930

ephex
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Jesus tittyfucking Christ.

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ephex
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Look in the BuLi thread.

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