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How about you dispute the fact that there's clubs out there that couldn't finance themselves out of a wet paper bag?
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MJBuddy posted:Owners hold on to property because it earns them more than the market value of the property. You heard it here folks, ManU is worth £22.9m.
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Stim posted:Yes - that's why I said they don't utilise it like United. I think it costs just over £10 but when you consider that no club in the Bundesliga is really charging a huge amount and that you are filling the stadium with 80,000 fans it means they should have a significant advantage over the majority of the league in terms of matchday revenue. While we are talking about more modest revenue we are also talking about more modest debts compared to United. Im not looking to draw a direct comparison anyway I'm just pointing out that having a stadium which should give you a steady and good flow of cash isn't always going to save you. I'm pretty sure Dortmund ended up having to sell their stadium at one point or at least considered it so there are lots of things that need to be considered. Dortmunds shittastic management at one point actually sold parts of the stadium to rake in a bit of short term cash, and then continued to pay horrendous sums per month to continue using those. The manager in question doesn't work there anymore.
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Jun 8, 2010 11:05
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Stim posted:Sound familiar? Yeah, luckily for Dortmund the current management has found ways to consolidate their debt and even buy back the stadium, though it means midtable obscurity for a couple of years to come with the occasional EL-spot. Edit: What I'm saying is ManU is probably hosed, 300m for OT? Which dumbfuck would pay that much for a stadium? Healbot fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Jun 8, 2010 |
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Jun 8, 2010 11:18
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Why don't you share a bigger, readable version?
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Jun 14, 2010 17:43
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Japan and Korea had to do a lot to accomodate the FIFA rules as host countries, so an increase in ticket prices was necessary (not to mention Japans cost of living).
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Jun 15, 2010 11:32
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Well, that kinda happens when you get paid high sums of money playing in Italy and don't actually pay any taxes for 20 years. Edit: Played in Neapel from 1984-1991, accumulated tax sum 13.5m, paid 42.000€. The rest is pretty much interest and the Italian IRS handing out reminders. Healbot fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Jul 6, 2010 |
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Jul 6, 2010 12:24
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Couch posted:German. Yeah sorry, I kinda forgot to translate Napoli.
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Jul 6, 2010 17:09
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Bacon of the Sea posted:It's so obvious they're going to back pedal on it. You can't imagine a champions league without any of the big Spanish, English or Italian sides. I sure hope not, it's about time some financial sensibility took hold in the top flights of football. Spending moon money to 'preserve competitiveness' is all kinds of hosed up.
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Jul 8, 2010 21:52
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MoPZiG posted:So are England and France the only significant leagues that actually punish clubs for going into administration? Seems like you can get away with murder in Spain and Italy. Clubs going into administration in Germany will probably get their license revoked and relegated, mostly due to missing liquidity.
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Jul 16, 2010 08:26
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Numbers like that happen when you add debts to club value. Edit: Forbes.
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Jul 22, 2010 22:30
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http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/1020405 (http://translate.google.de/translat...405&sl=de&tl=en) So due to creative accounting Barca actually lost 77.1m € this season (reported a win of 11.1m). Also club debts are higher than expected, a staggering 442m.
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Jul 27, 2010 17:33
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s0meb0dy0 posted:It's not much different to me. In the EPL this last season, you had 3 people fighting for 4th, but it didn't matter who got 1st/2nd/3rd (to me). With Real Madrid, and Barça, sure, they're going to come 1/2, but because you know that, losing a single game is a HORRIBLE result, because you absolutely have to come in 1st or you've failed. Then there's also the competition for the 3rd CL spot. So either league, you're focuse on who's first, and who's in the last CL spot. Except the top two Spanish teams lead by more than 20 points which is usually a big hint that something's not right in La Liga.
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Jul 30, 2010 07:33
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Liverpool could end up as front for money laundering.
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Aug 2, 2010 12:56
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Ah yes, it's the perfect ploy. Don't pay your players, win the Champion's League and profit.
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Aug 3, 2010 10:25
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There'll be no real bid at all, H&G will stay on top of their mountain of debts, abandon all hope ye fans of Liverpool.
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Aug 4, 2010 17:02
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RCD Mallorca is now actually suing the UEFA for their lost spot in the Europa League.
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Aug 7, 2010 15:41
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I don't know, they might shoot themselves in the foot with it in the end.
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Aug 7, 2010 16:33
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It'll build up to a billion, after which the banks will greatly increase the pressure.
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Aug 25, 2010 08:34
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Because they might've just sufficiently weakened the opposition they'd be encountering in an important match one day after the transfer?
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Sep 30, 2010 11:57
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That's not a lot of turnover.
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Oct 1, 2010 19:45
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Still doesn't have an impact in Football Manager, gently caress Bayern.
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Dec 1, 2010 06:24
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Once per matchday one game is free to watch on Spanish TV. The clubs want all of their games on PPV (and thereby demand more money from the TV stations; €800m instead of €620m) and threaten the government with strike (not strictly a strike as it's the clubs that want it, not the players or staff). To show that they mean it, the upcoming matchday has been postponed by a week. Seven clubs of La Liga (Villarreal, Sevilla, Athletic Bilbao, Real Sociedad San Sebastián, Espanyol Barcelona, Real Saragossa and Málaga) were against it though. It is expected that the government doesn't buckle under the 'pressure', losing the one free game a week might be a deciding factor in the next elections.
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Mar 24, 2011 12:17
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It's usually the last game on Saturday at 10pm.
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Mar 24, 2011 12:45
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hhhmmm posted:Isn't it kinda of shortsighted to have all the games on pay-per-view? What about recruiting new fans etc Who cares about fans when you only perceive moving money-pouches (it'd be a PR-disaster if it wasn't so pathetic)?
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Mar 24, 2011 14:48
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That's what happens when your (old) management is not only criminally incompetent but also criminal.
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Mar 28, 2011 11:37
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Yeah, it's kinda expected that mostly oldtimers pay for tickets when they are so expensive, but 44 years average. 
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Apr 4, 2011 20:33
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Half the teams in the Spanish first and second division filed for bankruptcy or are nearing that point (21 out of 42). And the best thing is: once filed until the 30th of June the club cannot be forcefully relegated (which happens when you cannot pay your player wages) thanks to a loving stupid court ruling, meaning clubs that are financially sane get the shaft. Go Spain!
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Jun 14, 2011 21:30
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MattWPBS posted:Little bit of paper saying "we tried to give you a scarf, but you were out". I'ma just add that  here.
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Aug 22, 2011 21:59
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Raightning posted:they'll probably hire paolo di canio to enforce 'stability' But will Di Canio have to auction off his fascist military regalia to pay for himself then?
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Sep 19, 2011 16:25
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The Saurus posted:Wait...So they're basically borrowing and then paying the loan back with the tv money they get next season? What happens next season when they have no money then? Will they just continue to borrow further and further into the future? Yep. It's the dumbest loving idea.
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Sep 20, 2011 23:52
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Mickolution posted:Absolutely and as I said, my problem is with the perception that Rooney was somehow put in his place by the whole situation. If he felt the club lacked ambition, how was that changed by him getting a new contract? I think Rooney can gloss over the ambition part with a raise. And still make it to the finals.
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Sep 28, 2011 15:19
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That's a whole lot of  for a bunch of regulations that supposedly do nothing at all.
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Nov 22, 2011 13:21
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Me, I'd rather receive 800m than the pitiful sums Sky vomits into my books p.a.
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Nov 22, 2011 23:59
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Yeah that is going to be A Point Of Contention.
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Dec 17, 2011 20:59
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But pngman, dude has something he cares even less about!
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Dec 17, 2011 22:04
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I don't think the Milan clubs are struggling that much with attendance.
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Jan 23, 2012 23:39
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Pretty sure Messi, despite all his earnings, still has not amassed a million billion trillion dollars.
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Dudley posted:Define debts I guess, technically Chelsea have 0 debt. Chelsea are not a rich club.
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Dudley posted:Richer than Man City according to that not remotely horribly flawed site. That's worth and not money on the bank, both clubs have none.
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