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Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



Hoppin Tin posted:

It would be unfair to compare the ps3 version with the ps2 version.

Quite. It would also miss the point, which is to compare PCSX2’s emulation to the PS3’s emulation.

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tooooooo bad
Jun 27, 2009

bad post bad post bad post

I imagine that he meant the re-release of God of War on the PS3 which as I recall was improved a bit graphically.

Too Poetic
Nov 28, 2008
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supervipping posted:

I imagine that he meant the re-release of God of War on the PS3 which as I recall was improved a bit graphically.
Right, which again completely misses the point. It was a comparison of the original GoW emulated on pc vs ps3. Comparing it to the new version that they added better textures to and poo poo doesnt really showcase anything at all.

El Hefe
Oct 31, 2006

my boys


I was so excited since I finally got this to work but the games run like poo poo on my PC

Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



Too Poetic posted:

Right, which again completely misses the point. It was a comparison of the original GoW emulated on pc vs ps3. Comparing it to the new version that they added better textures to and poo poo doesnt really showcase anything at all.

Exactly.

Mug
Apr 26, 2005


Too Poetic posted:

Right, which again completely misses the point. It was a comparison of the original GoW emulated on pc vs ps3. Comparing it to the new version that they added better textures to and poo poo doesnt really showcase anything at all.

Honestly, that PCSX2 screenshot looks just as good as the PS3 remake, except the PCSX2 shot is higher rez (the PS3 remake is only 720p).

bbcisdabomb
Jan 14, 2008

SHEESH


Mug posted:

Honestly, that PCSX2 screenshot looks just as good as the PS3 remake, except the PCSX2 shot is higher rez (the PS3 remake is only 720p).

The PCSX2 screenshot is in 720p.

Mug
Apr 26, 2005


bbcisdabomb posted:

The PCSX2 screenshot is in 720p.

Really? I'm an idiot.

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX


Still the point stands. You can upscale it to 1080p with the click of a button in pcsx2.

Industrial
May 31, 2001

Everyone here wishes I would ragequit my life

Has anyone tried Fatal Frame 2? The list says it works but it crashes on the loading screen every time I try to start a new game. 1 and 3 work perfectly but 2 is the best

HenryEx
Mar 24, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...


Industrial posted:

Has anyone tried Fatal Frame 2? The list says it works but it crashes on the loading screen every time I try to start a new game. 1 and 3 work perfectly but 2 is the best

Played it quite extensively a while ago (until my video card exploded and i had to finish the game on a real PS2), so i can attest to it working.
Maybe one of the more recent updates broke it. Try the latest stable/beta release instead of the SVN releases Gyoru compiles for us in this thread. It's been quite a while (more than half a year) since i played it on PCSX2.

AllenR
Dec 5, 2007
Blerg

Ditto on 2 working fine for me some builds ago. 3 was also working for how much I played it. 1 last time I tried still had the camera aiming bug.

4000 Dollar Suit
Dec 11, 2005

I rarely go into the field, motherfucker.

For the game this thing was mostly tested on FFX has a lot more glitches than say KH2, half of the battles in the game my middle character was standing backwards, and when he would go to attack he would run around the character on the right and and attack the dude. and the whole final battle was fought with Jecht facing away from me like he was Jim Morrison or something. Not a huge deal thought just kind of took away from the game since it was my first time playing it.

Diovanti
Aug 18, 2003
no afterlife

Is it possible to spend no more than $1000 on a new laptop and be able to get decent performance with PS2 emulation? If so, does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for? The PS2 games that I'd like to be able to play well are mostly JRPGs (FF, Persona, DW, etc.)

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006



Diovanti posted:

Is it possible to spend no more than $1000 on a new laptop and be able to get decent performance with PS2 emulation? If so, does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for? The PS2 games that I'd like to be able to play well are mostly JRPGs (FF, Persona, DW, etc.)

I just picked this beast up -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16834220827

I haven't tried PS2 emulation yet, but I am sure it'll be fine.

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX


Ragequit posted:

I just picked this beast up -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16834220827

I haven't tried PS2 emulation yet, but I am sure it'll be fine.

I don't know, the quad core isn't going to help and 1.73ghz is a pretty low speed. I have a dual core i3 laptop @ 2.13ghz and 2D games are fine, but 3D games get slow in certain areas (persona 3, kingdom hearts 2, etc). Still playable though.

Kiggles
Dec 30, 2007


Zo posted:

I don't know, the quad core isn't going to help and 1.73ghz is a pretty low speed. I have a dual core i3 laptop @ 2.13ghz and 2D games are fine, but 3D games get slow in certain areas (persona 3, kingdom hearts 2, etc). Still playable though.

i7s (and some i5s) have a dynamic clocking technology which underclocks some cores and overclocks others when only a few are being stressed. It is literally the best of both worlds.

The speed is pretty low, but should still be enough at native PS2 resolutions.

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX


Kiggles posted:

i7s (and some i5s) have a dynamic clocking technology which underclocks some cores and overclocks others when only a few are being stressed. It is literally the best of both worlds.

The speed is pretty low, but should still be enough at native PS2 resolutions.

I know, I have a desktop that does that, but it only autooverclocks about 10% max. So a base of 1.7 is still pretty low.

I mean it'll be playable, just expect some slowdowns. Resolution doesn't affect it at all really, that part's handled by the GPU and it's never the bottleneck.

sethsez
Jul 13, 2006

He's soooo
dreamy...


Ragequit posted:

I just picked this beast up -- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16834220827

I haven't tried PS2 emulation yet, but I am sure it'll be fine.

I've got the G73JH, which is essentially the same computer with a better GPU.

It won't run PCSX2 very well. 2D stuff is going to be okay, but don't get your hopes up for perfect 3D emulation.

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006



Zo posted:

I know, I have a desktop that does that, but it only autooverclocks about 10% max. So a base of 1.7 is still pretty low.

I mean it'll be playable, just expect some slowdowns. Resolution doesn't affect it at all really, that part's handled by the GPU and it's never the bottleneck.

The i7 740Q overclocks to 2.93 GHz. It does it instantly too (I can watch with the monitoring widget). The thing is rarely ever at 1.7 GHz. It screams. I'll test out some emulation shortly and see how it goes.

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX


Ragequit posted:

The i7 740Q overclocks to 2.93 GHz. It does it instantly too (I can watch with the monitoring widget). The thing is rarely ever at 1.7 GHz. It screams. I'll test out some emulation shortly and see how it goes.

Really? That's pretty crazy. It'll be more than enough then.

On a game note, FFXII on 1080p really looks way too good for a PS2 game.

Throumbas
Dec 24, 2006

why did the byob cross the road

From my experience you need around 3ghz on a single core to get good speed on 3d games. Having Intel over AMD gives you a boost but mostly the emulator seems to use raw power and I've read about people overclocking from 3 to 3.2ghz and getting fairly big improvements.

Ragequit
Jun 1, 2006



Zo posted:

Really? That's pretty crazy. It'll be more than enough then.

On a game note, FFXII on 1080p really looks way too good for a PS2 game.

I just tested it out on Wild Arms 3 and FFXII:ZJ -- I remember Wild Arms 3 needed some custom settings, but FFXII ran fine (50-60 FPS) on the default settings. I could probably get a lot more out of it but I really suck as setting that stuff up, and I haven't done it in ages since they have overhauled the interface.

However, I primarily play PC games, and haven't really jumped into the emulation scene headfirst. I just follow this thread to keep up on the latest news. My opinion may not be the bet to follow.

Kal
Jun 3, 2007



I'm running FFXII at 60+ fps at 1536 x 1536 (3.6 ghz E8400) and it looks great. Looked even better at 2048 x 2048 but then it slowed down too much, but only in the cut-scenes, not in the main game. Anyone know why? I got speed hacks disabled because it crashed (once) with them on.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

THAT'S WHAT THE SONG WAS REALLY ABOUT


Throumbas posted:

From my experience you need around 3ghz on a single core to get good speed on 3d games. Having Intel over AMD gives you a boost but mostly the emulator seems to use raw power and I've read about people overclocking from 3 to 3.2ghz and getting fairly big improvements.

I've only tried Nocturne DX9 but it runs perfectly on this:
http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=48496

Constant 60FPS, no dips at all.

NOT PAUL LAYTON
Nov 27, 2004

You've got about as much skill as the rest of the aforementioned 500-degree-pizza-making, twice-fermenting, under-kneading, poorly-seasoning, parchment-using yokels.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16819103846 this'll do it guys i'm serious

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.


Diovanti posted:

Is it possible to spend no more than $1000 on a new laptop and be able to get decent performance with PS2 emulation? If so, does anyone have any recommendations on what to look for? The PS2 games that I'd like to be able to play well are mostly JRPGs (FF, Persona, DW, etc.)

Get Intel, not AMD. I think the emulator has a lot of code that takes advantage of intel tech and not so much with the AMD.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 16, 2004



redreader posted:

Get Intel, not AMD. I think the emulator has a lot of code that takes advantage of intel tech and not so much with the AMD.

AMD doesn't support later SSE instruction sets fully, so it's sub-optimal for PS2 emulation. But really, you shouldn't be basing your CPU purchases solely on PS2 emulation, and my Phenom II X4 works just fine with the majority of games on PCSX2. I think its large clock speed helps it out.

Terpfen
Jul 27, 2006
Objection!



Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

AMD doesn't support later SSE instruction sets fully, so it's sub-optimal for PS2 emulation. But really, you shouldn't be basing your CPU purchases solely on PS2 emulation, and my Phenom II X4 works just fine with the majority of games on PCSX2. I think its large clock speed helps it out.

For purposes of this thread, performance in PCSX2 is all that matters for CPU recommendations.

Ziggy Tzardust
Apr 7, 2006

The only free choice is refusal to pay


I haven't used PCSX2 in about 6-9 months. Is the issue with SotC running really slowly been sorted or is it still around?

HenryEx
Mar 24, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...


Ziggy Tsardust posted:

I haven't used PCSX2 in about 6-9 months. Is the issue with SotC running really slowly been sorted or is it still around?

That largely depends on you. This video is 10 months old already. SotC is one of the beefiest games on the PS2, naturally it's the one who'll demand some of the highest specs.

-Troika-
May 2, 2009

I started caring deeply
about guns since I saw
an anime where wizards
have sex with King Arthur.


My core i5 750 handles everything fine with no overclocking.

Sir Unimaginative
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




AMD UPDATE:

3.4GHz is the magic line for Athlon II/Phenom II. That may change with Bulldozer, since that will have all of Intel's latest extensions, or it may not. (Okay, it may actually be WORSE given that the front-end and FPU are pair-shared.)

Point is: if you already have an AMD chip and can get it to 3.4 you're probably fine, but if you're buying AMD for PCSX2 you're insane.

Sir Unimaginative fucked around with this message at Jan 3, 2011 around 02:51

SwissCM
Apr 23, 2003

Fight the system by not tipping waiters! Not by refusing to eat out!

I have a 3.4 Phenom II and yeah it just barely runs most stuff full speed. Hopefully they can optimise PCSX2 a little more though.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 16, 2004



I've been running Okami, Warship Gunner 2, Radiata Stories, and a few others at a full 60FPS and good resolution just fine with my 3.3GHz Phenom II X4 345, (normally 3GHz, OCed 10%). Maybe I could OC it slightly higher but I'm running a stock heatsink/fan and I don't know much about about overclocking or proper cpu temperatures or anything like that, and all the games I've tried running work fine so I'm not concerned. And yeah, the emulator is only going to get better optimized from here. Any games that might run at just 90% speed will run at 100% speed a year from now.

edit: Here's a question, since PAL games run at 50Hz instead of 60Hz, does that mean you need less cpu speed to emulate them, since you're emulating fewer frames?

Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at Jan 3, 2011 around 03:22

NOT PAUL LAYTON
Nov 27, 2004

You've got about as much skill as the rest of the aforementioned 500-degree-pizza-making, twice-fermenting, under-kneading, poorly-seasoning, parchment-using yokels.


Sir Unimaginative posted:

AMD UPDATE:

3.4GHz is the magic line for Athlon II/Phenom II. That may change with Bulldozer, since that will have all of Intel's latest extensions, or it may not. (Okay, it may actually be WORSE given that the front-end and FPU are pair-shared.)

Point is: if you already have an AMD chip and can get it to 3.4 you're probably fine, but if you're buying AMD for PCSX2 you're insane.

that's super funny because a phenom II X2 550 (3.1 ghz, stock) is playing god of war 2 at 720p literally right now and it costs $80

BeSwedes
Oct 21, 2010


Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

edit: Here's a question, since PAL games run at 50Hz instead of 60Hz, does that mean you need less cpu speed to emulate them, since you're emulating fewer frames?

In my experience, it doesn't help. I think the reason is that many games are poorly/lazily ported to PAL. Ultimately, it will vary with some games running better, some the same, and some not run at all. If you decide to try it, keep in mind that you will have to change the region on your save files.

Charles Martel
Mar 7, 2007

"The Hero of the Age..."

The hero of all ages


Dolphin is very impressive just by looking at the compatibility lists. Just about every game I have for the GameCube and the Wii right now has 4 stars or above. I brought a stack of games over from my girlfriend's place along with a wiimote to rip them to my PC for when my tools arrive this week!

Roflan
Nov 25, 2007


4000 Dollar Suit posted:

For the game this thing was mostly tested on FFX has a lot more glitches than say KH2, half of the battles in the game my middle character was standing backwards, and when he would go to attack he would run around the character on the right and and attack the dude. and the whole final battle was fought with Jecht facing away from me like he was Jim Morrison or something. Not a huge deal thought just kind of took away from the game since it was my first time playing it.

You can fix this by setting the number clamping and rounding settings to the highest precision levels. I don't have an install of pcsx available to look, but there are two sets of these settings; one under Emotion Engine and another under VPU settings. All four need to be changed. It also results in a slight performance decrease(about 1-2fps for me).

(Names subject to faulty memory)

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Tolwyn
Jun 13, 2001


It's a shame putting scaling at 6x brings the framerate down to an unplayable level, cause it looks so much better than with 4x (which is completely playable @ 40fps+) I've only tested out God Of War 2 though so maybe others will run better. Loving that for once I have a PC that can handle this kind of thing though.

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