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Monti posted:Probably the coolest thing on the prophet 08 is the four LFOs.  [/korgwhore]
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 00:41 |
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You're the one that is making me want to get a polysix so bad. You should tell me your whole setup for it because I'm probably going to get it as soon as I get some money. I feel like going to the casino.
(according to wikipedia, it only has two  )Monti fucked around with this message at Jul 7, 2010 around 00:59 |
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Monti posted:(according to wikipedia, it only has two  check the specs, there are 4 independent lfos, but only one that you can patch more than one place
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 04:41 |
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Monti posted:I figured out how to change the values when a function knob causes the values to jump back. - endless rotaries - if the position doesn't matter, you always start from the value in memory - control smoothing, where it uses the relative distance to get to the value - pickup mode where it just doesn't do anything unless you pass the position of the value quote:Can someone explain how destination works for the LFOs? I thought it just meant that was the point in the sequence in which the LFO was applied. Probably the coolest thing on the prophet 08 is the four LFOs. - source (in this case the LFO) - destination (pitch, filter, amp or whatever) - amount (whether it's actually doing something)
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 06:00 |
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Ya I got amount and waveform but the P08 has like 42 different destinations for the LFO with very different sounds. Here's the list:
quote:Off No destination selected I realize that's probably hard to read. Here's the manual: http://www.dsisynth.com/misc/Prophet_08_Manual_v1.0.pdf It's on page 27. Monti fucked around with this message at Jul 7, 2010 around 06:28 |
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No, that's entirely obvious and proves my suspicions - it's for the mod matrix, not the sequencer (though I suspect that the sequencer is also able to act as a source). An LFO by itself does not do anything; it has to be sent somewhere to do something. Older synths, like a Polysix, have the LFO "hardwired" to PWM or oscillator pitch; the same waveform drives two parameters. With the P08 you have the choice - a fast LFO on the pitch for vibrato, a slow LFO on the PWM to create animation.
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 06:30 |
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Ok holy poo poo p-08 is a modulation beast. I never realised...
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 08:21 |
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Monti posted:I found another midi cable, but the other end is a 15 point giant thing that needs something else to interface with a computer. That sounds like an old PC gamepad connector, which used to be built into Soundblaster (etc.) cards, and were commonly used for connecting MIDI back in the days before USB. h_double fucked around with this message at Jul 7, 2010 around 17:08 |
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KevinHeaven posted:Yeahhh, I knew the CZ-1000 would need batteries to hold the sounds I created, but I didn't know that It would take 6 D batteries... loving D Batteries... Do other vintage synths need this magnitude of battery power? Use patch transfer software to keep them safe on your computer. My CZ-101 at least uses some bastardized pre-MIDI setup but there's software out there to do that.
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 18:03 |
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I have been trying to educate myself on what the various synth controls do by attempting to replicate various instruments. First real challenge: a cello. I got pretty far with some basics (sawtooth waveform and slow attack, to name a couple). But I am sure I could get much farther using other settings (amp? LFO?). Are there any good resources out there for the various synth settings that go into making certain sounds?
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 20:38 |
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The Synthesier Cookbook has a list of patches which replicate traditional instruments, which I think is what you're looking for. I've never read it so I can't say if it's good or bad, though.
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 21:44 |
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Sound on Sound's Synth Secrets series has some really good information about synthesizing acoustic instrument tones.
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| # ? Jul 7, 2010 23:04 |
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Yoozer posted:No, that's entirely obvious and proves my suspicions - it's for the mod matrix, not the sequencer (though I suspect that the sequencer is also able to act as a source). no, those destinations are _just_ the dedicated LFO destinations. In addition to the 4 LFOs, there's also a Mod Matrix that can accept the following as modulation sources: Sequence track 1-4, LFO 1-4, Filter Env, Amp Env, Envelope 3, Pitch Bend, Mod Wheel, Pressure, MIDI Breath, MIDI Foot, MIDI Expression, Velocity, Note Number, Noise, Env Follow, Peak Hold with the same destinations as the ones listed in the post above, with an amount (can go positive or negative) control for each of those four. PLUS, you can assign Mod Wheel, Pressure, Breath, Velocity, and Foot pedal each to any of the listed destination parameters, again with an amount control. AND then you get the four sequencer tracks, which are each can be assigned to any parameter you want (the mod matrix just allows you to assign additional destinations beyond the first one you choose for it in the sequencer settings - each track has it's own dedicated destination independent of the matrix). So really, you have up to twelve different modulators available in a given patch, not counting the manual expression controls (velocity, mod wheel, aftertouch, and foot pedal). As far as the DCO/VCO/Digital oscillator discussion from the last page... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fluxbA65NY4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnG-urPckF8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpBVJHE264 Those are all done on the Korg DW-8000, a hybrid synth with totally digital oscillators (actually single cycle waveform samples that scan back and forth rapidly to simulate oscillators) going through completely analog filters and VCAs (and with a nice built in delay/chorus/phaser effect too). It's easily thicker and more lush than a lot of "all analog" VCO synths. The technology under the hood isn't nearly as important as how good the gear sounds and how usable it is in your tracks, so don't get too hung up on the "DCO/VCO/DSP" part of it, and focus more on whether you like the sound of the gear and if you'll actually use it in your songwriting. (the DW-8000 is also frequently available for less than $300, so think about that before you drop the cash on something more expensive  )Also, if you're looking at the Prophet 08, it's also worth looking at the Tetra, which is essentially the same hardware with half the voices and repackaged into a cheaper unit (editing requires software, but it's free with the unit and easy to use) for around $700-800. Add in a cheap midi controller keyboard, and it's a lot less of a hit to the wallet if you get it and decide you don't like the sound of it and want to sell it for something different. Run Dodo Run posted:The Synthesier Cookbook has a list of patches which replicate traditional instruments, which I think is what you're looking for. I hate the jerk that makes that, because his Ebay listings for it always clutter up searches for synths with a bunch of useless results 
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| # ? Jul 8, 2010 18:18 |
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Run Dodo Run posted:The Synthesier Cookbook has a list of patches which replicate traditional instruments, which I think is what you're looking for. h_double posted:Sound on Sound's Synth Secrets series has some really good information about synthesizing acoustic instrument tones. Thanks for the suggestions. That's definitely the sort of thing I was looking for. I am just trying to wrap my head around what I am doing to the sound when I twiddle the LFO knob versus the Amp knob, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, I understand in theory what is happening. It's just easier for me to grasp the practical result of a cutoff frequency when it moves me closer to a target tone.
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| # ? Jul 8, 2010 19:43 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:Korg DW-8000, a hybrid synth with totally digital oscillators (actually single cycle waveform samples that scan back and forth rapidly to simulate oscillators) going through completely analog filters and VCAs (and with a nice built in delay/chorus/phaser effect too). The DW-8000 is pimp, as well as the often overlooked Ensoniq ESQ-1, which has a similar setup. Until Ceephax started touring with his they would go for like $50-80, with the only drawback being they are loving huge and heavy. The ESQ-M rack is worth it if you have a good controller setup. I like the 3 LFO + 4 Envelope Generator setup.
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 02:43 |
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WanderingKid posted:Ok holy poo poo p-08 is a modulation beast. I never realised...
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 06:17 |
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I want a P-08 now...shudders. 3 envelopes? 4 lfos? These can modulate other envelope stages and lfos for re-contouring waveshape yes? In the mod matrix is it possible to have noise or one or more of the oscillators as modulation sources? Is it capable of osc cross mod? How many simultaneous destinations can an LFO modulate and can it do sample & hold? Sorry for the stream of questions but I'm suddenly turning gay for Dave Smith...Oooh er.
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 08:29 |
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Yes, please send a measly 2,000$ my way, thank you.
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 08:47 |
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Which would you guys recommend for a newb with no real experience or equipment other than a laptop; a microkorg or a kaossilator pro (or something else entirely)? I just want to be able to make some sounds and loops and perhaps songs and play around and poo poo, but I also don't want to find myself out of options in a few months and wanting to buy something else. My friend has a kaossilator (non-pro) and I found it really fun, but its kind of limited, but the pro looks awesome. But the microkorg actually has keys so it feels more like a 'real' instrument. N.B. I haven't actually played either in real life
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 12:24 |
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I'd choose the MicroKorg for the keys. $30 extra for an USB cable makes it a MIDI controller. The Kaossilator is neat but probably not suitable as a first/only purchase. Or upgrade a little bit to a secondhand R3 and have the benefit of bigger keys and USB already built in.
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 12:39 |
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Does anyone here have a x0xb0x? I'd like to get the TB-303 but I feel like I'd need to modify it (for MIDI), plus every 303 I've seen has gone for at least $1500... I'm especially looking for people who have owned or used a 303 as well as a x0xb0x. How do the two compare in terms of sound and programmability? Are there more things I can do with a x0xb0x?
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 15:00 |
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Wyatt posted:Thanks for the suggestions. That's definitely the sort of thing I was looking for. I am just trying to wrap my head around what I am doing to the sound when I twiddle the LFO knob versus the Amp knob, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, I understand in theory what is happening. It's just easier for me to grasp the practical result of a cutoff frequency when it moves me closer to a target tone. I've found that making sound effects (starting from a blank patch) can be a good way to get your head around synth programming, because it seems easier to wrap your head around the sonic character of "a doorbell" or "a jet plane flying overhead" (or a foghorn, a submarine sonar ping, a lightsaber, R2D2, an evil 1950s mainframe, a videogame powerup sound, etc.) -- as opposed to an acoustic instrument, which can be really complex beasts to simulate effectively.
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CHRISTS FOR SALE posted:Does anyone here have a x0xb0x? I'd like to get the TB-303 but I feel like I'd need to modify it (for MIDI), plus every 303 I've seen has gone for at least $1500... I've built my own X0X (#701, to be specific). Soundwise it's essentially the same as a 303, since it uses exactly the same schematic and almost all the same components (there are a few transistors that have to be subbed with the closest available replacement since the originals haven't been produced in decades... unless you have an old broken 303 you can steal the parts from). The difference in sound between a X0X and a real 303 is usually no more than the difference between two real 303s made on different weeks of production. Programmability is much easier on the X0X, since the computer half of the unit is all-new and designed to be easier to program than the original's sequencer, while still driving the actual sound producing parts the same way. If you've ever used Rebirth, the X0X programs the same way (real 303s are a little wonkier than how Rebirth/X0X does it). You can also play it via a MIDI controller or sequencer as a monosynth, and you can activate the Accent/Slide functions via specific MIDI velocity ranges. You can also load/save patterns via USB. You can also use it's CV outputs to drive other analog gear with CV inputs, and it'll not only hook up to MIDI, but also to any of Roland's old DIN-sync gear (and you can use it as a MIDI->DIN sync if you have something like a TR-808). I've modified mine to have a VCO out and a VCF in, with a signal disconnect between the two if a jack is inserted in either socket... I can hook the CV out to my modular's VCOs, plug those VCOs plus the X0X's VCO into a mixer, route that back in to the VCF, and have a 3 oscillator 303 run off the X0X's sequencer (of course that's more my handiwork than something that's specific to the X0X...)I basically feel that if you can build (or are willing to pay someone to build for you) an X0X, there is no reason to own a real vintage 303. It's got more utility, the sequencer is streamlined, you can actually save/backup your patterns, and it's pretty much impossible to tell the difference in sound.
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 18:21 |
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h_double posted:I've found that making sound effects (starting from a blank patch) can be a good way to get your head around synth programming, because it seems easier to wrap your head around the sonic character of "a doorbell" or "a jet plane flying overhead" (or a foghorn, a submarine sonar ping, a lightsaber, R2D2, an evil 1950s mainframe, a videogame powerup sound, etc.) -- as opposed to an acoustic instrument, which can be really complex beasts to simulate effectively. That's a good point. I had already successfully made a really nice bell sound and thought "Time for a cello!" Haha. I've been reading about the sonic character of bowed instruments and it's definitely a tall order to replicate.
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| # ? Jul 9, 2010 18:43 |
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If you buy something like the Roland Fantom G8, you'll find lot of string sounds already programmed into it, and you can still modify them quite a bit. If you want to write an orchestra piece, that is probably the way to go. If you're trying to do it for you're own knowledge, that's cool. I just find it kind of strange that you would buy a synth in order to replicate a string instrument. I'd want to spend more time trying to figure out some new sounds with modulation, LFO, and live control of the functions like cutoff frequency and tempo.
Anyway, here's my new wish-list in the order I'm going to buy them: Polysix, Prophet 08, XoXBOX, Fantom G8, R3
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| # ? Jul 10, 2010 05:57 |
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h_double posted:That sounds like an old PC gamepad connector, which used to be built into Soundblaster (etc.) cards, and were commonly used for connecting MIDI back in the days before USB. that's exactly what it is. cut the end off and use pinouts.ru to splice a midi din head on.
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| # ? Jul 10, 2010 14:55 |
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I found my midi-usb! I'm going to try to download that VST tonight and see if it works with the privia acting as the midi controller. There is probably at least going to be some kind of packet delay.
Monti fucked around with this message at Jul 11, 2010 around 00:12 |
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Monti posted:I found my midi-usb! I'm going to try to download that VST tonight and see if it works with the privia acting as the midi controller. There is probably at least going to be some kind of packet delay. Download asio4all (you can google it) to greatly reduce the latency of your sound card.
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HotCanadianChick posted:I basically feel that if you can build (or are willing to pay someone to build for you) an X0X, there is no reason to own a real vintage 303. It's got more utility, the sequencer is streamlined, you can actually save/backup your patterns, and it's pretty much impossible to tell the difference in sound. Agree 100%. Although you may lose "cool" points with the vinatge-or-die crowd, gently caress 'em. Laugh all the way to the bank. It sounds the same and is so much easier to program. AFAIK the kits aren't being sold right now, so you'll need to get a second-hand one. Use the extra $1000-1500 you saved getting it to start a eurorack.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2010 02:28 |
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I stumbled on this collection of books in a dusty pile of crap in a music instrument storage building for the school district when I was installing wifi. It's the accompanying literature for the Roland System 100. It has the basics of subtractive analog, as well as knob settings on the s100 for making timpanis and cellos, etc. I made it very clear to the nice woman running the place that 'these are totally obsolete, but I kind of collect this stuff". She let me walk right out the door with the whole collection.  Click here for the full 1066x800 image. edit: They smell amazing and are essentially unopened.
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Limbertimbre posted:Roland System 100 goodies Scan and share?
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I'd also love a copy of those manuals. Great find! I'm considering starting the synthesizers.com monthly plan. I figure that I could probably have the entire kit in 3-6 months. Anyone have any recommendations on better/more diverse modular systems such as a euro rack setup? I'm not sure about how all of the module sizes/systems work, and which size leads to the largest selection of custom/boutique/useful modules. Currently, I'm working on my battery powered modular setup with analog and digital synths/analog sequencers from http://www.chimerasynthesis.com/ , as well as some reverb, delay, and moogerfooger pedals, and Korg's Kaossilator and Mini-KP. I'm digging the ad-hoc modular methodology. I've been doing it in software for years, and it's drat nice to get away from the glow of the screens. renderful fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2010 around 06:16 |
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I was actually considering starting a modular madness megathread which answers all these questions. Euro is a great format to get into as there are just so many super creative module makers in that format. Makenoise, Malekko, TipTop Audio, etc. are all making awesome stuff right now. This isn't a slight against 5U or Serge or Frac - there are awesome, awesome things in all of those formats, I just can't afford it  . If you are interested in starting in Euro, here is a great flash app that will help you plan your synth: http://www.modularplanner.co.uk/ Also, head over to http://www.muffwiggler.com/ - they are one of the best modular synth user forum on the internet. Super nice, super helpful people. Developers hang out there so you'll get to here about new stuff coming out long before it's released.
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I'm about to buy a Korg R3. I just need a synth with full sized keys to play simple multi layered Pad lines with my left hand while i play piano with my right hand. What are peoples opinions on the R3? Is it a piece of junk or is it worth the $1200 au? Ive talked to salesmen about it and they all raved about it(trying to close the deal). I want a real opinion from you guys about it.
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| # ? Jul 14, 2010 10:07 |
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Umm well its a nice synth for what it is. You just need to make sure that what you want is something that it can do. Its pretty versatile what with the formant goodies, the vocoder and what not. The vocoder is really fun. The keyboard action is very light if thats ok with you. Not really enough knobs in my opinion so you have to make do with menu flipping via a page select knob. Some people hate it, others can deal with it. Make sure its something you can live with. If you played it and liked it then go for it. Otherwise, play it before you hand over the wonga.
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Even though I plan nothing more but seeing if it's any useful for filtering boring drum machine kicks and snares through, if anyone of you already have the Monotron I'd like to say gently caress you for being lucky. Motherfucking August 12th..
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| # ? Jul 14, 2010 11:50 |
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Ugh, that thing looks like such a waste. Take the nice, well-loved filter from the MS-20, and stick it in a nearly useless toy. God I hate Roland and Korg so much these days 
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| # ? Jul 14, 2010 19:32 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:Ugh, that thing looks like such a waste. Take the nice, well-loved filter from the MS-20, and stick it in a nearly useless toy. Seriously. Korg business strategy if I ran things: 1) Re-release the MS-20 and Mono-Poly. No changes. 2) BAM - print money. Roland business strategy if I ran things: 1) Re-release x0x series with updated programming capabilities. 2) BAM - print money.
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| # ? Jul 14, 2010 20:16 |
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Realistic Roland strategy: 1) Rerelease the MC303, replace the LEDs with blue ones 2) Get rich enough to buy the competition
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Oldstench posted:Seriously. Here follows the  that'll ruin your dreams:The economy is in the shitter. Synths are luxury objects. 7 billion people on the planet. Fraction of 'm plays a musical instrument. Fraction of that bothers with synthesizers. Fraction of those bother with analog synthesizers. The market is smaller than you think and on most synth forums you see the same faces. These people are terrible people; they want a Jupiter 16 for $200 with a puppy. When you get down to it they're scrooges. They want it to flop, then want to score it for cheap in thrift stores only to guffaw when it goes up in price again. These people are terrible people: whatever you put in, it's not going to be good enough. "At least you could've added X! Why isn't feature Y in there!" When any of the classic models is going to be re-released - even if you did not change anything - people are going to complain that the old ones sounded better. DeBeers uses a similar strategy against synthetic diamonds - "she won't love you unless this thing was responsible for the demise of at least 20 dirt poor miners". It'll take at least 3-5 years to re-hire veteran analog engineers to build the things and fix the flaws, because a lot of older hardware had some stupid design mistakes in there. lovely PSUs, capacitors that'd die, low-quality opamps, chips that'd eventually die (Juno-106), weird-rear end custom sliders that'd be impossible to get again, rare homebrew ICs, slow envelope generators, and so on and so on. You'd have to redevelop that poo poo all over again. Korg and Roland aren't actually that big and can't throw that kind of money around, especially not for a target group that's small and ridiculously picky. If Yamaha did it, they'd might kill (or at least put a good dent in) the currently flourishing market for analog gear. We've got more variation and choice now than they ever had in the 70s. It's like throwing a brick in a pond. Any of 'm would screw up in one way or another; because they always do. When there's not much to screw up, there's not much going on (which is why that Monotron thingy will sell like hotcakes). You have to start small; see Dave Smith. Once he could be certain that the Evolver was actually being bought instead of just whined about on internet forums, he started expanding the line - carefully, step by step. Miniaturized SMT designs have nice issues going on like parasitic capacitance and sync; you have to do it the old-fashioned way, which means a steel case and wire looms and crap and a big layout. Look at the current audience. They've grown up with free plugins and FL Studio or whatever other ubiquitous sequencer there is. Convincing that they too need that new TB-303 mkII with blue LEDs is probably going to be hard, especially when you tell 'm it's monophonic, can't be dealt with properly as a plugin, has a sequencer designed by a madman and only makes a few noises. What they're actually printing money with: the iPad Electribe thingy the Monotron the DS10+ the MicroKorg
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