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The biking culture here manages to be even more annoying than back home. It's so bad that I even have friends from home who send me links to Thai Instagram profiles asking if they're real, because it's all spotlessly clean wealthy Thai-Chinese in hundreds of dollars of branded gear posing on super-expensive bikes while drinking coffee somewhere. Knowing these people, I can guarantee that there's about 10k of riding, a support van and about two hours of photography. There definitely are some serious cyclists, but right now it's just a very hip thing to be seen doing, so tons of posers. The way to easily identify them is to check the calf muscles. You can be skinny, fat, whatever, but if you bike seriously you have defined calves. The majority of these people don't. That leads me to a story from a friend of mine - a number of them have been biking around Southeast Asia for decades just on a whim - who told me over beers about a mutual Thai friend (these guys are all 50+) who had recently taken up biking. My friend got a call from this guy asking if he wanted to go ride around Suvarnabhumi on the sealed track they've built there. It was really difficult to explain how awful this sounded without hurting the guy's feelings, but that's where biking is at now, it's like soccer moms in America or something, for whom "biking" is something you drive to and from and do at The Park. So painfully boring. Still, as you say, it's a hugely positive trend and we are seeing more and more real effect on biking for commuting and so on, so I'm optimistic for the future. I'm just annoyed with the present, heh.
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I dunno Reindeer that stuff sounds like Bkk inside baseball to me. Interesting but as a layman I'm pleased to see a dude rock up alongside at the traffic lights, or to be in a semi rural part of town and see a succession of people diligently pedalling away. Yes that bom bui guy I just passed spent a bunch of money on a fad, but this is a country that has gone from paddies to smartphones inside a generation. That guy probably spent his youth picking rice dreaming of the incredible luxury of a bicycle. I'm talking about Hat Yai and Chiang Mai specifically since that's where I've been in the past month.
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Protip - using pompui is one of the signs of having learned English around bargirls. Don't use it in polite company. I mean you could learn it from the som tam lady or just anyone, but among Westerners it's 1000% more likely the former, heh, and whether you came by it honestly or not, it will be seen as that locally. Like I said, I'm optimistic about the future, but a huge amount of it right now is no different than soccer moms lugging around yoga mats to look cool. I'm, you know, "pleased" to see cycling taking off, but it's annoying that it immediately became an ultra-wealthy hobby. I spend a shitload of time outside of BKK and see cyclists everywhere. We chat and so on. You know where they're all from? BKK. You know why you see them in rural areas? That's where their second home is or where the factory house is. I'm sure once you get toward Chiang Mai, it's the locus of power and so on, but it is a *very* elitist "sport" at this point, and it's treated very much like an affectation requiring expensive gear and so on. There are plenty of these twats back home, too, but they're matched in number by people just biking around, or people mountain biking or what have you, in my experience. It's nice to see bike shops popping up all over the country, but I'm not sure that Somchai in Ratchaburi can afford the 11,000 Baht entry level TREK. I'm assuming we're a generation away from some compromise level of cycling enthusiasm where medium grade equipment that's affordable comes in.
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I can't personally imagine biking as a mode of transport in Thailand because it's too dern hot for that. I would however like to see a wealthy Thai-Chinese lose his expensive bicycle in some mishap and due to the urgency of his current situation commandeer one of those bikes with the squid jerky display / roller device mounted on the back, perhaps in some locally made comedy movie with a poster that has that buck toothed woman with the pigtails and a kwai in the background.
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Finally, finally, finally at the place in my life where I have enough money and time to do the solo SEA trip I’ve been fantasizing about since college. Would any kindly goons be able to share some wisdom? I have a couple of friends in Singapore, so my rough plan is to fly there in early April 2016, spend 4-6 days there getting my bearings, bounce around Vietnam/Cambodia/Thailand, and fly out of either Chiang Mai or Bangkok in late May. Total budget is around $3k, total duration around six or seven weeks. Vietnam — I LOVE seafood, so the combination of Danang and Hoi An sounds appealing. As long as I’m in the area, Huế looks cool too. This thread doesn’t sound particularly impressed with Vietnam, though — is that area worth it? My only real “must do” is Angkor Wat — how difficult would it be to get myself from central Vietnam to Siem Reap? From there, would y’all suggest staying in southern Thailand (which means flying out of Bangkok) or head north to Pai and Chiang Mai? There are pros and cons to both — staying south is easier geographywise and flying out of Bangkok is cheaper, but I suspect I'll be beached out after Vietnam and the culture stuff of Pai/Chiang Mai sounds more appealing to me. The agenda is pretty much: artistic/cultural attractions, eating delicious things, chilling out in a hammock somewhere pretty by the water, and at least once shelling out some cash ($100-200ish) for a night or two in a swanky hotel. Partying is not a huge priority, but places with friendly folks up for sharing a drink or two would be nice. Obviously happy to meet up with local goons as well. I'll have my laptop with me so safety is a slight concern. I've done some solo travel around the US and have decent "city sense" so I'm more concerned with theft than personal harm — but any resources that I could point my mom to help her nervousness would be appreciated  Last question — I'm aware that the weather will probably kind of suck but for a variety of reasons that time period makes the most sense. I'm from south Louisiana where it regularly gets to 100+ degrees with 100% humidity... do y'all think it's going to be totally unbearable? THANKS! Hecuba fucked around with this message at 01:40 on May 25, 2015 |
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Does that total budget include your flights from North America? Because if so... uh. Better bring santa hats.
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Haha, no, airfare not included. The $3k (probably more like 4 if a freelance gig I'm looking at goes through) is lodging, ground transport, food and miscellaneous spending money.
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I assume you're bringing your laptop for work. If that's not the case don't bring it. If that is the case don't worry about it getting stolen too much, just keep it out of sight when you move from place to place (in your backpack) and you're only going to get it stolen if you're exceptionally unlucky. People do break into hotel rooms and go through bags when they're stored in the bus but that happens really rarely and there's no scheme to get around it, it's just a risk. If it does get stolen and you need a computer for work you'll either figure something out when you get home or get a loan from someone to get a computer going again, ain't no thang. Chiang Mai usually underwhelms to be honest. Spend a couple of days there if you end up in the north and then fly to Mae Hong Son and do a three or four day hilltribe trek. It's the other thing I tell people to always do after Angkor Wat and MHS is beautiful and the best place to do those kinds of things out of. There's a hilltribe trek agency near the lake that I used that I bet is still there. To get from Vietnam to Siem Reap you'll probably want to to pony up a small sum and just take a cheap flight. Short regional flights are much cheaper in SEA than in the US so don't discount this as an option. Overland in Cambodia can go tits up really quickly, though it's probably tenfold better than it was even ten years ago. When you're in Bangkok swing by the Neilson Hays Library. They have a bulletin board in there that advertises a lot of cultural things going on in Bangkok. Also check the websites for the branches of Aliiance Francais, Goethe Institute and the Japanese and American embassies -- you can meet culturally minded Thais at events held in these sorts of places and maybe get access to a little of the high culture going on in SEA. Your mom is going to worry no matter what, just make sure you call her once or twice a week when you're there. The region is almost hazard free as far as travel in non-first-world countries goes, the only risks generally are that you off yourself by downing too much whiskey and overdosing on stupid or some careless bus driver plunges you into a ravine. April is mind blowingly hot, like the worst days of Summer in Louisiana but more consistently so. But you'll be okay. Skim the travel gear thread I made: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3415334 Don't overpack. raton fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 25, 2015 |
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Hecuba posted:Finally, finally, finally at the place in my life where I have enough money and time to do the solo SEA trip I’ve been fantasizing about since college. Would any kindly goons be able to share some wisdom? Vietnam - I just got back from a 2.5 week solo trip to South/Central Vietnam and I thought the area was great. I especially liked Da lat and Hoi An and I preferred Saigon to Bangkok; it's a matter of preference. The train ride to Hue is beautiful but I would only spend about 1.5 days in Hue. Travelling - Since you have plenty of time before your trip and a decent budget I'd recommend using internal flights for long distances. The flights are very cheap if you book in advance (40$/avg for my last trip including luggage fees) and seem like less of a hassle than land border crossings. Safety - I didn't have any issues with theft; I generally kept anything expensive looking out of sight in public and was a bit more cautious in Saigon. I def felt very safe in SEA as a solo woman. None of the locals ever bothered me in Vietnam or in Cambodia or Thailand when I went. I'm not sure how reassuring others find it but the State department does keep track of US citizen deaths abroad on this site http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/statistics/deaths.html. Only 7 US citizens died in Vietnam last year and they were all accidents/drownings (maybe don't show your mom the stats for Thailand). Weather - I live in Florida and I thought I'd be fine with the weather but it really is awful. Take midday breaks when you need them and protect yourself from the sun.
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Yeah it's very unlikely that you'll be robbed or anything like that. Any death or injury will most likely come from travelling via road. Take flights where you can, and avoid longer bus journeys. Air Asia is pretty cheap and flies all over the region. It'll be easy to stay in contact with your Mom too - 3G capable simcards are free (in Thailand at least) and data packages are incredibly cheap. Coverage is pretty good, and it'll reassure her to know that she can Skype you at pretty much any time.
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e: Soooo quitting coffee is doing wonders for my reading comprehension.
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Hecuba posted:Haha, no, airfare not included. The $3k (probably more like 4 if a freelance gig I'm looking at goes through) is lodging, ground transport, food and miscellaneous spending money.
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Sheep-Goats posted:I assume you're bringing your laptop for work... You got it — the whole reason I'm able to do the trip is that I've gotten approval to work remotely — not 9 to 5, obviously, but I work in the school system so there's end-of-semester wrapup stuff that I have to deal with. Thanks for the reassurance. I'm not hugely worried about it — either I'll invest in some kind of hella secure travel safe for my regular laptop (will definitely check out travel gear thread, thanks), or just buy a lovely $150 chromebook that won't be a tragic loss if the worst happens. flynt posted:[Extremely useful Vietnam stuff] Fabulous, thank you! Did you spend any time in Danang? As I mentioned I am seafood-obsessed, so anywhere I can go to eat delicious stuff from the ocean is a definite priority. Bardeh posted:[Extremely useful safety/flight stuff] Groovy – thanks. Will check out Air Asia for my inter-flight needs. I've pretty much 100% decided on Angkor Wat and the Hoi An/Danang/Hue area but am nervous of overpacking the itinerary, so I'm wondering if I need to cut one of these three: HCMC/Da Lat, Chiang Mai/Pai, or Bangkok. Also aware that Singapore is kind of a pain in the rear end in relation to all of this, but I have friends in the area who would probably be annoyed if I came to SEA without making a visit. So at this point, my itinerary looks like this: - Day 1 - 5 Singapore - Day 6 Fly Singapore to HCMC - Days 7 - 8 HCMC - Day 9 Travel to Da Lat (car or bus) - Days 10 - 13 Da Lat - Day 14 Travel to Hoi An (overnight bus) - Days 15 - 23 Hoi An, Danang and Hue - Day 24 Fly from Hoi An to Siem Reap - Days 25 - 28 Siem Reap/Angkor Wat - Day 29 Fly from Siem Reap to Chiang Mai - Days 30 - 38 Chiang Mai / Pai - Day 39 Fly from Chiang Mai to Bangkok - Days 40 - 45 Bangkok - Day 46 Fly Bangkok to home Alternatively, I could do the Vietnam/Cambodia leg in reverse order: Singapore to Hue/Danang/Hoi An, then work south to Da Lat and HCMC, HCMC to Siem Reap, Siem Reap to Chiang Mai/Pai, then back to Bangkok. Can't thank y'all enough for the help — if anyone's in the areas I outlined above, I'm happy to meet up and buy you a round. Edit because I am bad at math. Hecuba fucked around with this message at 19:22 on May 25, 2015 |
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Looks really solid! Sight seeing in Hue can be done in a day, it's a relatively small town. Have a good trip!
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CronoGamer posted:This isn't strictly speaking SE Asia news but I thought the thread would appreciate imagining if they'd gone to Thailand instead of France. How many different bathrooms would you need to construct for a crew like this to use? Do you just shut it down and burn it to the ground afterward? http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/171-aviation-tourism/93262-twelve-thousand-chinese-tourists-thailand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEfpIxHkufA&t=6450s raton fucked around with this message at 18:31 on May 25, 2015 |
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I'm getting intermittent government censorship pages when I try and click on stories on the Guardian about the mass graves they've found down in the south. It's not particularly effective though, because a refresh means the page will just come up anyway. I guess it does mean that they're trying to suppress coverage now, though. E: Also, the Thai government's attempts at internet censorship are always hilariously ineffective. Like, https://www.youporn.com will be blocked, but https://www.youporn.com/video/sexyXXXslutvideo will go through just fine.
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flynt posted:None of the locals ever bothered me in Vietnam or in Cambodia or Thailand when I went. ReindeerF and eviljelly will call bullshit on this, they cannot accept that Vietnam is cool and that touts are not that aggressive. Hecuba, Vietnam is great. Da Lat/Hoi An are nice places but if you want seafood variety, Saigon is definitely the place as it has 2 billion restaurants and gets all the fresh seafood from the Mekong region.
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What would a minimum monthly/annual income be for me (and my wife) to live a comfortable but not flashy existence in, say, Thailand or Vietnam? I checked out a couple of 'cost of living' sites but I'm never sure how accurate they are. This is at the moment a matter of curiosity only but it's nice to know what the options might be
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Obviously it really depends on yourself and what you're used to, where you choose to live and everything else. Having said that, if it was just the two of you in Thailand, 60,000 baht a month would let you rent a pretty nice house or apartment and have money to spare to eat out and do fun stuff, but maybe not save for holidays and stuff like that. 100k plus between the two of you would allow you a very nice lifestyle with money to spare to save if you're not too extravagant on your spending.
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Yeah, I'd say about 100k THB is near the minimum if you want to also be saving some money and have enough to fly home to visit relatives sometimes and things like that. You could get by as exiled hippies for like 40k outside of Bangkok but the minute you have a major expense like a hospital visit or large purchase at that level you're done. At around 250k THB / month you wouldn't need to budget for things like normal entertainment, food and non-flash housing and would still be saving as much as you spend each month. Somewhere around there and you're close to being indisputably able to retire perpetually in SEA / have your maid raise a couple of snotty little expat kids. raton fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 26, 2015 |
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Sheep-Goats posted:At around 250k THB / month you wouldn't need to budget for things like normal entertainment, food and non-flash housing and would still be saving as much as you spend each month. Somewhere around there and you're close to being indisputably able to retire perpetually in SEA / have your maid raise a couple of snotty little expat kids. Really though it's at about this point where the maid transition to "minor wife" and you no longer need to officially switch spouses.
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Asia/Thailand is as expensive or cheap as you want it to be. If your comfort level is a middle class lifestyle in San Francisco, LA, Seattle or DC, then there is no way on Earth 60k or even 100k a month cuts it. A Western style 'nice' apartment with modern amenities will be 45-100k a month by itself at the base end, especially if you want to be in a more desirable neighborhood. Cars, electronics and many other things are more expensive in Thailand than elsewhere, so while you save in many ways, things can add up quite quickly. I feel like a good rule of thumb is to estimate 80% of your combined salary as the baseline from which you could live comfortably in Thailand. If you earned $5,000.00 in the US between the two of you, you would be fine in Thailand with $4000.00 (~130,000 baht). This isn't entirely instructive if you're both students or have no earnings. You'll have to basically do an apartment search online to see what your baseline expectations are for housing and, say, if your rent is 40,000 baht given these expectations, be sure that you have roughly twice as much in earnings each month (so in this case 80,000 baht). Also, as mentioned, the cost of living plummets once you leave the cities. Instead of 50,000 baht a month for an apartment, you're paying 10,000 baht a month of a 3 bedroom house with pool in some cases. Shammypants fucked around with this message at 01:18 on May 27, 2015 |
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Thanks everyone. This sounds similar to where we're living now in layout and size,, except this listing is for a waaaaaay swankier building in a far more central location: http://classifieds.bangkokpost.com/realestate/en/thailand/bangkok/apartment-condominium-for-rent-146600.html
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I think my entire monthly expenses (basically just rent, food, and booze) on Koh Tao cost me $1500-ish per month. There would be an occasional visa run or trip to KL, Penang, Hong Kong, or whatever, but I don't really count them as part of the cost of living. That was a great period of my life... I literally did not care about money. Hooray for an Australian income and Thai expenses!
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Agree with the above, 100K and up is the basic "really comfortable" zone for monthly living here with travel, plenty of disposable income and so on - this is without kids or any persistent/huge medical costs, of course. It also assumes you're not an expat package/arriviste type who rents a flashy pad in central Bangkok from a broker who jacks up the price by 200%, because if you are then you're also the kind of person who will remain culturally separated and pay a premium for everything because of it. That's totally a serviceable way to live if your income or personal wealth is high enough, but you're basically throwing away probably 25% of your money every month as a cost of doing business. To give an example of how that works, I have a number of fairly well-off foreign friends who live here, but two that come to mind as a good example. One of those two isn't functional in Thai language at all, has a car and driver and doesn't have many real Thai contacts while the other is fairly fluent in Thai, is married into the culture, speaks and reads the language and has a good network. The latter is wealthier than the former through his work, but they both have huge amounts of disposable income and savings, so money isn't an issue. The latter rents a large house in Thong Lo from an older Thai woman for about 25K THB a month and sublets it to other newly arrived expat package types people for 100K+ a month, and (through his wife) owns his own home nearby, the rent from which is paid for by the first property he subleases. The former pays 80K a month, reimbursed by the company, for a serviced condo in lower Sukhumvit. If you want to stay in the expat bubble and don't have any interest in learning to do things the way they're done here then you'll pay a premium for it and not just on the obvious things, but in cases like the one I mentioned above. So, your 100K goes a lot further if you bother to make contacts and learn the culture and language even just a bit (I'm certainly no expert). As I said, that's a completely serviceable way of life if you don't mind spending more money on everything you do to compensate - shop at expat supermarkets, eat only at places with English menus, get overcharged for taxis and things, pay too much for your rent and so on. A local fixer goes a long way to helping this, of course, and that can come in many forms. EDIT: To turn that into at least one initial piece of practical advice, don't rent anything until you arrive, never use a realtor and never deal with foreigners in the real estate business where finding property is concerned, ever (if you end up with a foreign landlord or are referred a property by a foreign friend that's safe). I'd pretty much extend that to anyone who speaks English, but more and more Thai businesspeople speak English as generations shift. Certainly, don't even bother with any piece of property you find listed in English unless it's a person to person deal on a local expat network - and even then it's probably way inflated. Google Translate will get you pretty far on local sites. I haven't been in that situation for a while, but I think sites like Prakard.com and Pantip forums are still pretty big locally for property rental and sale. The best way to find stuff is to go to a neighborhood and walk around asking at condo offices or looking for signs on homes - quite often you'll find properties like this, or listed on Thai forums, that are in the same building or area and functionally identical to an English language listing, for as much as 50% cheaper, or more. EDIT EDIT: I should caveat the above for cases like those of Finch, where you're going to live in what is essentially an entirely tourist bubble. You can still do better in places like Tao after you get to know the lay of the land, but places like that don't work the way places like Bangkok do because there's no real "market" for much of anything to speak of, it's all one big concocted bubble. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 04:31 on May 27, 2015 |
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Hi guys, I love this thread. Haven't been to SEA in about two years, but I still keep it bookmarked and read/lurk it often, because you're all so drat interesting.  I was wondering if any of you had a few pictures to share from your daily lives, like a good meal, a favourite bar, your accomodations like a kitchen or a livingroom or something. Even if you don't live in SEA anymore, but have lived there in the past I'd be interested to see some pictures. Seems like an exciting, if extremely hot, place to be for an extended period of time. Anyway, was just curious to see a little local expat colour, since google mainly gives me tourist photos when I search for this stuff.
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prinneh posted:Hi guys, I love this thread. Haven't been to SEA in about two years, but I still keep it bookmarked and read/lurk it often, because you're all so drat interesting. I eat only the finest caviar and drink 16USD beers, SEA is the greatest
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prinneh posted:Hi guys, I love this thread. Haven't been to SEA in about two years, but I still keep it bookmarked and read/lurk it often, because you're all so drat interesting. Well I mostly have drunk photos and pictures of my car. This sounds like it could be a good segue into balcony chat though.
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I've been working on a Texas-German style potato salad for a couple of months, is that exotic enough? I'll share pictures soon ^__^
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ReindeerF posted:I've been working on a Texas-German style potato salad for a couple of months, is that exotic enough? I'll share pictures soon ^__^ I wonder what sort of desert that will be when translated into Thai.
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prinneh posted:Hi guys, I love this thread. Haven't been to SEA in about two years, but I still keep it bookmarked and read/lurk it often, because you're all so drat interesting. I found an album of pictures my wife took in Saigon, they are really great (some may not be from her but they were all lumped together). But then, most of my pics of the last months in Vietnam look like that:  EDIT. And: 
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Tytan posted:Well I mostly have drunk photos and pictures of my car. This sounds like it could be a good segue into balcony chat though. Uuh, I remember balcony chat from some time back. Something like that would be great to see. Also, I'm definately the annoying type who will snap pictures with their mobile phone if I pass anything out of the ordinary, so I keep kinda forgetting not everyone does this. ReindeerF posted:I've been working on a Texas-German style potato salad for a couple of months, is that exotic enough? I'll share pictures soon ^__^ Sure, also potato salad is big in my part of the world too and who doesn't love potato salad? What makes it Texan for one? Some kinda spice mix or do you simply serve it in a ten-gallon hat?  Senso posted:I found an album of pictures my wife took in Saigon, they are really great (some may not be from her but they were all lumped together). Thanks for the album, I'll check it out. And honestly, having read the thread, I'm not surprised drunk photos are the main source of photographic evidence haha edit: Your wife is a very gifted photographer, those pictures were great! prinneh fucked around with this message at 19:53 on May 27, 2015 |
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prinneh posted:Sure, also potato salad is big in my part of the world too and who doesn't love potato salad? What makes it Texan for one? Some kinda spice mix or do you simply serve it in a ten-gallon hat?
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I like to take pictures of everyday scenes.          I have literally thousands of these, one day I will get around to uploading them.
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Another good source for everyday Thailand is youtube. If you can handle the sexpat vibe, then people like Geoff Carter take lots of videos of walking down streets in Thailand. As a bonus, their commentary generally adds comedy value. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?geoffcarter1212
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I've been in Thailand for 4 months now and one of the things I've wanted to avoid is being trapped in an expat bubble. It was much more satisfying to be invited inside a Thai friend's home than to be foreign visitor #4,794,300 inside one of Chiang Mai's many Wats. The more time I spend here the more I think that white people have propensity to ruin everything.
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