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Based on recent discussion, it seems that the old Glock thread is long gone. As a new Glock owner, I was hoping to find an active thread on here. Since there isn't one, I may as well start it. In the beginning... There was a request by the Austrian military in 1980 looking for candidates to replace their Walther P38s. Gaston Glock, who by all accounts had never even attempted to design a gun before, assembled a group of leading firearms specialists to define the best features that a modern fighting pistol should have. He started pretty much from the ground up in 1981 in an attempt to win this government contract. He made a working prototype in 3 months. This became known as the Glock 17; it was the company's 17th patent. Submitted to the military assessment trials in early 1982, it not only passed, but came out on top of the competition. It was/is a mostly polymer weapon, using metal only where necessary, and treated with a nitriding process called Tenifer to protect against corrosion and wear. This created a light but strong and inexpensive to manufacture service pistol. Contrary to people's belief, it was not the first gun made of polymer. The Heckler & Koch VP70 predated the Glock 17 by a dozen years. Generations (image from Glockmeister supplied by B4Ctom1)  There are now 4 generations of Glocks, and they are pretty easily identified: Second generation models Checkering on the front strap and serrations to the back strap with a stamped serial number on the dust cover in front of the trigger guard. Third generation models Proprietary accessory rail in front of the trigger guard, thumb rests on both sides of the frame and finger grooves on the front strap. Fourth generation models (from Neo Mara) The major changes externally are the grip texture and the back straps. With no back strap installed, Glock says the frame is a SF or short frame gun. With the 'medium' backstrap, rear profile is almost identical to 3rd gen guns and is 2mm longer than no backstrap. The 'large' backstrap is 2mm more than the medium. Internally, the major change is the dual action recoil spring and the changes to the slide and frame to make room. Fourth gen slides and frames are not compatable with previous gens. Operating Mechanism (stolen from Wikipedia) The Glock 17 is a 9mm short recoil-operated locked breech semi-automatic pistol that uses a modified Browning cam-lock system adapted from the Hi-Power pistol. The firearm's locking mechanism utilizes a linkless, vertically tilting barrel with a rectangular breech that locks into the ejection port cut-out in the slide. During the recoil stroke, the barrel moves rearward initially locked together with the slide approximately 3 mm (0.12 in) until the bullet leaves the barrel and chamber pressure drops to a safe level. A ramped lug extension at the base of the barrel then interacts with a tapered locking block integrated into the frame, forcing the barrel down and unlocking it from the slide. This camming action terminates the barrel's movement while the slide continues back under recoil, extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge casing. The slide's uninterrupted rearward movement and counter-recoil cycle are characteristic of the Browning system. Controversy "They can go through metal detectors undetected" No...that's just stupid. You can't even get the polymer receiver through a metal detector without it being noticed - it's full of small metal parts, and any x-ray operator would have to be a complete idiot to not identify the trigger group. Forget even trying the slide or barrel. This all stemmed from an uninformed Washington Post article in 1985, and a terribly misinformed scene in Die Hard 2 (in which the armorer for the movie even raised objection to the scene). "Glock Leg" This may be a regional law enforcement term, but you get the idea: lots of cops going from their .38 special revolvers with 12+ pound trigger pulls shot themselves in the leg or foot in the late 80s and 90s when police departments started adopting the 17 and 19s. Glocks don't have a traditional external safety, instead using the Glock "Safe Action" system, which is a series of 3 safeties which are disarmed progressively as the trigger is pulled, and automatically re-armed on release. Why this was a problem for old school cops (who blamed Glock Leg on this) that were used to NO safety (other than a heavy trigger pull) is beyond imagination, and can only be chalked up to poor trigger discipline due to lack of training. Yeah...you can get away with your finger in the trigger guard of a heavy-pull revolver when unholstering - it's stupid, but you can get away with it. Not so when you have a 6.5 or 7lb trigger pull. Modifications Connector Springs (Triggers) from CapnStubby At the request of the New York police departments Glock developed a heavier trigger spring assembly built into a drop-in plastic leaf spring.  NY1 is 8lb, NY2 is 11lb The coil spring is the original part. When you buy a used Glock it's not a bad idea to detail strip it and see if the previous owner did something insane like install one of the NY trigger springs or the heavier connector. --- The connector on most Glocks is 5.5 lb. This gives you an effective trigger pull of 6.5 lbs. On the "competition models" like the 34 and 35, a 3.5 lb connector is installed from the factory. This gives you a 4.5 lb trigger pull. Sights The stock sights on a Glock suck. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Even the ones with rear adjustable sights. Fortunately, it's fairly inexpensive to fix. For the rear sights, you will likely need a "sight pusher":  For the front sights, you need a sight tool which is essentially a very thin socket with no chamfer on it. The front sights are held on with a VERY thin headed bolt, so the tool engagement has to be flat. If you aren't going to be changing sights a lot, its fairly cheap to have a smith install a set for you. If you are installing a set with an adjustable rear it can be even cheaper, as you can sight it in yourself with (typically) a very small flat head screwdriver. Buying New If you want a new one, there are two very important things you need to know about : GSSF - The Glock Sport Shooters Foundation If you are a member, you can typically get over $100 off by having your FFL request a weapon for you from GSSF Law Enforcement and Emergency Services If you are a Police Officer, Active Military, Pilot, Paramedic, and lots of other emergency service-y things like that, even retired, you can get a "blue label" Glock which is usually at least $100 less than retail and typically includes an extra magazine. These are available from a lot of the usual suspects for law enforcement guns as well as some places to cater just to blue label Glock buyers like http://www.usglock.com/. Buying Used They're all over the place used. The warranty is great, and will be honored for subsequent purchasers. Thanks to Micromancer for the pointer to Scarecrow411's post (now in the archives). Scarecrow411 posted:1.0 How to buy a used Glock Resources The Glock FAQ - http://www.glockfaq.com Flash operation animation and parts breakdown - http://www.sniperworld.com/content....rld_glock_index Parts (Don't take anything on this list as an endorsement, unless otherwise noted) http://www.glockparts.com http://www.glockmeister.com I'm far from done here, but I'll post now, and keep on editing. Please feel free to make suggestions. Like I said, I'm a new Glock owner, and I'm just regurgitating the little knowledge I have on the subject, as well as the results of my research before buying Motronic fucked around with this message at Feb 18, 2010 around 13:46 |
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Any discussion on Glocks is required to have the absolutely amazing Lee Paige GLOCK FO'TAY video. It's the law. Also OD Glocks = Best Glocks.
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At the request of the New York police departments Glock developed a heavier trigger spring assembly built into a drop-in plastic leaf spring. NY1 is 8lb, NY2 is 11lb The coil spring is the original part. When you buy a used glock it's not a bad idea to detail strip it and see if the previous owner did something insane like install one of the NY trigger springs or the heavier connector.
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I got a new 3G 19 for my birthday last month. Took it for some range time, and it had zero issues. I can't believe I took this long to buy one. The problem is, I'm used to shooting .22 and .45, so I'm still getting used to this one. The first shot was dead-on bullseye, but after that I was consistently hitting about 4-6" down and to the left. Any idea why I'm doing this? I handled the new 4th gen ones, but I thought the grip texture was terrible.
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anuj posted:I got a new 3G 19 for my birthday last month. Took it for some range time, and it had zero issues. I can't believe I took this long to buy one.  Click here for the full 1272x1531 image.
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Postin' dis itt Warren tactical night sights aww yeah  plus it matches my 610 Benchmade  E: What .22 kits are worth poo poo for a G19?
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OP, you missed the
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As far as Gen4s, the major changes externally are the grip texture and the back straps. With no back strap installed, Glock says the frame is a SF or short frame gun. With the 'medium' backstrap, rear profile is almost identical to 3rd gen guns and is 2mm longer than no backstrap. The 'large' backstrap is 2mm more than the medium. Internally, the major change is the dual action recoil spring and the changes to the slide and frame to make room. Fourth gen slides and frames are not compatable with previous gens. GSSF certs have recently changed. There is a price increase of $25-$30 depending on the pistol. If you don't have one of the old certs you can't get them anymore. If you have one of the old certs it will expire April 2, 2010. The advantage of the change is that there will now be more dealers able to participate in the program. Neo Mara fucked around with this message at Feb 15, 2010 around 22:53 |
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Capn Beeb posted:Postin' dis itt  I wish my 19 was OD.
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anuj posted:I got a new 3G 19 for my birthday last month. Took it for some range time, and it had zero issues. I can't believe I took this long to buy one. Me and you both bud, I just need a lot more range time I guess. I don't really know the best technique for working through a down and to the left problem but it's been pretty consistent for me since I've been shooting my G19.
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Trisk posted:Me and you both bud, I just need a lot more range time I guess. I don't really know the best technique for working through a down and to the left problem but it's been pretty consistent for me since I've been shooting my G19. I'm going to take that chart Stormy posted with me next time. I guess it makes sense that I'd be squeezing my grip too hard since I'm not used to the recoil, but I thought I had pretty good trigger technique. It sucks, I can shoot pretty drat good groups with my other handguns. I need to find my tripod and finally take pics of this drat thing.
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Purchased my first handgun on Saturday at a local gunshow. It was a lightly used 23 with the original tupperware box and 2 magazines. Can't wait to shoot it next weekend.
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Gen II Glock 22 and Gen III Glock 22c w/glock tac light and "mag o' talons"
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3 generations of glocks 3 generations of mags http://www.glockmeister.com/3genmags.shtml
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how hard is it to swap out the sights on a glock yourself? i want to install nightsights on my g19 but dont really want to pay somebody to do it. also, speaking of which, what are the best nightsights for a glock? looking for a good price point/ quality matchup, nothing too expensive but not poo poo either.
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ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck.
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televiper posted:ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck. wrong  when i got into shooting i really, really didn't want to like glocks but when i tried a g19 i hit the bullseye at 15 yards each and every single time without a problem. i dont know if there is another gun that has ever shot so well for me. my 1911 is catching up from practice but the g19 is pretty much the perfect handgun for me. Kommienzuspadt fucked around with this message at Feb 16, 2010 around 02:39 |
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Kommienzuspadt posted:how hard is it to swap out the sights on a glock yourself? i want to install nightsights on my g19 but dont really want to pay somebody to do it. Drifting out is easy, installing requires a special tool for the front sight. I got the tactical night version of these: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=..._for_GLOCK_reg_ The rear sight didn't want to drift no matter how much I filed, so I just had the smith down the street put them on, ran me   bew bew bew
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I was thinking about getting a 19, but is it worth it to go for the 19C? Also do they make 19C's with OD frames? edit: Also I read on some forum that they aren't any Gen 4 19s in OD, any truth in that? doogle fucked around with this message at Feb 16, 2010 around 02:55 |
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special tool for the front sight? its just in there with a kex head screw ? right ?
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televiper posted:ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck. As true now as it was then.
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Capn Beeb posted:Drifting out is easy, installing requires a special tool for the front sight. I got the tactical night version of these: my g19 came with the front sight tool 
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shoognite posted:Purchased my first handgun on Saturday at a local gunshow. It was a lightly used 23 with the original tupperware box and 2 magazines. Black is beautiful. I love my G23. It is reliable and surprisingly intuitive.
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Kommienzuspadt posted:wrong I, too, find the glock very agreeable. It fits my hands well and I find it easier to shoot than many other handguns. Others may have a different experience but I find the glock to be a very well designed, natural feeling handgun.
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doogle posted:I was thinking about getting a 19, but is it worth it to go for the 19C? Also do they make 19C's with OD frames? Are you planning to carry it?
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To you guys who are having accuracy issues with your Glocks: Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire.
"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." - Ted Nugent
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Biaxident posted:To you guys who are having accuracy issues: Dry fire, dry fire, dry fire.
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kuffs posted:Are you planning to carry it? no
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Don't get the Glock night sights, they suck rear end. I had a G30, traded it in on a G19. I can keep a whole magazine worth of bullets on a Birchwood Casey prairie dog target at 50 feet, accurate enough for me. Bob Morales fucked around with this message at Feb 16, 2010 around 14:26 |
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Motronic posted:http://www.topglock.com edit: Google will tell you all you need to know, but the gist of it is that they list with great prices but effectively never have any of the good stuff in stock, and their  customer service makes it exceedingly difficult to cancel, and usually/always charges a restocking fee for cancellations. Some people do end up getting a product at a good price, but the vast majority would rather pay an extra $20 for their Glock and get it in less than 4 months.
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Capn Beeb posted:Drifting out is easy, installing requires a special tool for the front sight. I got the tactical night version of these: Stock sights come out so easy, I am amazed they don't simply fall out when shooting. Replacement front sights go in easy. I had to file the gently caress out of my rear and pound it in with a hammer and brass punch. Also, Warren Sevigny sights are the best. I have the two lamp carry sights and they rock so hard.
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I put a set of Ameriglo night sights on my G22 soon after buying it. About 7 years later, the front sight is dark but the rear is fine. The rear sight is drifted out/in. There are two types of front sight, staked in and screw in. The screw in type can be installed with a thin-wall socket if you don't have the special sight tool.
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Glock safety lock! Keys 
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any reason i shouldnt go with the heinie straight 8 night sights?
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Kommienzuspadt posted:any reason i shouldnt go with the heinie straight 8 night sights? I have them on another gun and don't like them. Have you used them before?
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Bob Morales posted:I have them on another gun and don't like them. Have you used them before? no, but I do have big chunky heinie target sights on my 1911 .22 kit and like them a lot. i've never tried their night sights though. why don't you like them/what other brands would you recommend?
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Kommienzuspadt posted:what other brands would you recommend? Black Stormy posted:Also, Warren Sevigny sights are the best. I have the two lamp carry sights and they rock so hard.
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DJExile posted:Any discussion on Glocks is required to have the absolutely amazing Lee Paige GLOCK FO'TAY video. It's the law. Black Stormy posted:
 OD Glock rush!  
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Black Stormy posted:cool. maybe i'll just get those then, as I already have the sevigny competition fibre optic sights on already, so I wouldn't have to adjust the target picture too much.
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