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Scarecrow411: Nov 14, 2004; FREE FUNSTER

infrared35 posted:

I wear size XL gloves ( ) and Glocks feel okay, size-wise.

You should come over to the dark side. Just tell the boss you're through with this DA/SA crap - you're gonna rock Safe Action. If you want we can print up a barcode sticker to paste on your new duty [strike]glock[/strike] Sig G19.

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infrared35: Jan 12, 2005

I wish we got DA/SA crap. All my original training years ago was on the P226 and P228.

I carried a Glock 17 for seven years and was happy with it, as were 99% of my coworkers. Then five years ago we went to the P2000 with the LEM trigger. Nobody is very happy with the P2000s. The awkward grip combined with the significantly increased recoil and muzzle blast added to the higher bore axis has translated to declining qualification scores. The guns are as mechanically accurate as the Glocks were; they're just harder to shoot well.

Luckily I was able to yoink one of the older USPcs with the LEM trigger during the transition. For some reason the USPc has a much better version of the LEM, and the grip is a lot more comfortable to me and most other people who try it.

I do love my SIGs but I'd go back to a Glock in a heartbeat.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 01:54

Mad Dragon: Feb 29, 2004

So much for trading in my compact for a P2000.

edit: to keep it on-topic, my next handgun will most likely be a 17.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 01:56

infrared35: Jan 12, 2005

Mad Dragon posted:

So much for trading in my compact for a P2000.

edit: to keep it on-topic, my next handgun will most likely be a 17.

The P2000 is probably worlds better in 9mm, but the grip is still weird. It's got sort of a hump in the middle of the front strap, right under where your middle finger sits. It's really weird. Plus the side panels of the P2000 grip are actively slippery, which is a big minus. Especially when compared to the grippy panels of the USPc.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 02:04

Scarecrow411: Nov 14, 2004; FREE FUNSTER

Micromancer posted:

Nearly everyone in the last couple years I been reading threads here that got a 17/22 first then held a 19/23 after has cried about having to get the compact as well.

I cried so much I started cutting. I didn't stop cutting until my G17 grip was at a G19 length.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 02:19

Black Stormy: Apr 1, 2003

infrared35 posted:

The P2000 is probably worlds better in 9mm, but the grip is still weird. It's got sort of a hump in the middle of the front strap, right under where your middle finger sits. It's really weird. Plus the side panels of the P2000 grip are actively slippery, which is a big minus. Especially when compared to the grippy panels of the USPc.

You act like you guys actually USE your guns. I know you just sit around drinking bourbon all day, soaking up those fat government paychecks. SO JEALOUS

# ? Mar 2, 2010 02:24

astrollinthepork: Sep 24, 2007

Maybe it was a 17 but I'm fairly certain I saw a gen4 19 at my local gunstore. Where are you guys getting release info?

# ? Mar 2, 2010 12:47

Kommienzuspadt: Apr 28, 2004; This bear is tops blooby

astrollinthepork posted:

Maybe it was a 17 but I'm fairly certain I saw a gen4 19 at my local gunstore. Where are you guys getting release info?

don't forget there was also the gen -3 RTF glocks, which had the same? similar? frames as the gen4 glocks but not the double wound recoil spring or the interchangeable backsraps.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 14:09

Black Stormy: Apr 1, 2003

Kommienzuspadt posted:

don't forget there was also the gen -3 RTF glocks, which had the same? similar? frames as the gen4 glocks but not the double wound recoil spring or the interchangeable backsraps.

Also, they had lovely slide serrations.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 14:20

astrollinthepork: Sep 24, 2007

Kommienzuspadt posted:

don't forget there was also the gen -3 RTF glocks, which had the same? similar? frames as the gen4 glocks but not the double wound recoil spring or the interchangeable backsraps.

I didn't know anything about the backstraps, I thought that was just part of our wishlist. That's badass. I just saw the frame texture and thought "gen 4", which is what I thought we we referring to rtf2 frames as. I've been out of the loop for a while. I don't recall seeing anything different about the serrations. I didn't know any of that chevron bullshit actually got out on the market. What is the improvement of a double wound spring? I'm thinking of the sig style right?

# ? Mar 2, 2010 14:37

Kommienzuspadt: Apr 28, 2004; This bear is tops blooby

astrollinthepork posted:

I didn't know anything about the backstraps, I thought that was just part of our wishlist. That's badass. I just saw the frame texture and thought "gen 4", which is what I thought we we referring to rtf2 frames as. I've been out of the loop for a while. I don't recall seeing anything different about the serrations. I didn't know any of that chevron bullshit actually got out on the market. What is the improvement of a double wound spring? I'm thinking of the sig style right?

it's for increased reliability, supposedly, in chambering umm i think .45acp in the subcompact models? i don't really know but i don't think it's an improvement that most people will notice. somebody please correct me here if i'm wrong.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 14:41

Micromancer: Apr 17, 2002; He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair

The Gen4 models are clearly marked. Or at least the G22 I handled at Hero Gear was.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 15:31

Kommienzuspadt: Apr 28, 2004; This bear is tops blooby

Micromancer posted:

The Gen4 models are clearly marked. Or at least the G22 I handled at Hero Gear was.

that's also true, it will say "22-Gen4" or whatever on the slide.

im pretty sure i handled a gen4 at some show recently and i remember kind of liking the new frame texture but also kind of not.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 15:34

Micromancer: Apr 17, 2002; He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair

Kommienzuspadt posted:

that's also true, it will say "22-Gen4" or whatever on the slide.

im pretty sure i handled a gen4 at some show recently and i remember kind of liking the new frame texture but also kind of not.

The new frame texture is nearly irrelevant, is the smoother edges and far more comfortable trigger guard ridge (the part that rides on your middle finger's knuckle) that is

for me.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 15:37

kuffs: Mar 29, 2007; Projectile Dysfunction

I handled an RTF glock a couple months ago and the texture is amazing. It's awesome how they managed to make it both more grippy and more comfortable at the same time.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 16:07

Ninja Rope: Oct 22, 2005; Wee.

Kommienzuspadt posted:

it's for increased reliability, supposedly, in chambering umm i think .45acp in the subcompact models? i don't really know but i don't think it's an improvement that most people will notice. somebody please correct me here if i'm wrong.

Generally, stranded springs are used for increased resistance during rapid loading, but I've heard Sig did it for reliability in the case where a strand of the spring breaks. I'm not sure how that would work exactly, but I am not an expert in springs.

From what I've seen gen 4 glocks use a double captured spring not a double stranded spring. That is two springs, one inside the other, on the guide rod, rather than two strands of wire formed into one spring. Supposedly this reduces recoil but I doubt it does much for reliability as the smaller spring doesn't look like it could function alone if the larger one failed.

The USPf uses a double captured recoil spring assembly and the USPc/P2000 use a plastic buffer in place of the second spring, but I never felt like it made a significant difference in felt recoil, but I've heard up to 30%. The gen4 spring assembly is a scaled up version of the system used on the glock 26.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 16:53

SFH1989: Apr 23, 2007

I posted this in the last thread. My dad's G19 that that's going to mine after I get my pistol permit (I turn 21 a week from today). The best part is that he only paid $150 for it since that's all a gun shop would give the guy he bought it from.

It's in great shape for a 15+ year old gun that was used for police work at one point. I think the first thing I'll do it take the grips off.

# ? Mar 2, 2010 19:31

walrusman: Aug 4, 2006; Ride the rainbow

Get that loving piece of poo poo off the gr...

SFH1989 posted:

I think the first thing I'll do it take the grips off.

Oh.

Carry on.

# ? Mar 3, 2010 02:17

infrared35: Jan 12, 2005

SFH1989 posted:

It's in great shape for a 15+ year old gun that was used for police work at one point. I think the first thing I'll do it take the grips off.

If you can get it off intact (and you may not be able to), pay that thing forward.

# ? Mar 3, 2010 02:20

Micromancer: Apr 17, 2002; He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair

a few drops of water inside the top edge and that poo poo slides off like a used condom.

Second thing to do is lose the +1s they only increase grip length which hinders concealment.

Also, bear in mind that Hogue MIGHT be there to give that gun finger grooves. So dont PIF it until you are sure you prefer it naked.

# ? Mar 3, 2010 08:05

Neo Mara: Apr 20, 2005

That's a second gen G19, note the lack of rail, single pin, lack of thumb indent at the top of the grip. So yes, it has no finger grooves under the Houge.

# ? Mar 3, 2010 16:59

Roundboy: Oct 21, 2008

And would you be served well by sending it into glock and having them work / add / adjust / replace any of the ~~safety,broken,adjustment issues~~ GLOCK PERFECTION that have been made since that gun was issued.

It relates to .40, but i remember a good deal of improvements were made to glocks due to complaints from big police departments.

# ? Mar 3, 2010 18:04

astrollinthepork: Sep 24, 2007

Roundboy posted:

And would you be served well by sending it into glock and having them work / add / adjust / replace any of the ~~safety,broken,adjustment issues~~ GLOCK PERFECTION that have been made since that gun was issued.

It relates to .40, but i remember a good deal of improvements were made to glocks due to complaints from big police departments.

Oh, do tell!

# ? Mar 3, 2010 18:14

Bob Morales: Aug 18, 2006; HYPER-THREADING

Roundboy posted:

It relates to .40, but i remember a good deal of improvements were made to glocks due to complaints from big police departments.

Yea, like heavier triggers.

# ? Mar 3, 2010 18:54

Roundboy: Oct 21, 2008

astrollinthepork posted:

Oh, do tell!

Oh i have to have facts and sources? This is the internet!

It was something I came across while casually reading about glock KB! there was something around 1992 that prompted glock to replace / upgrade extractors/ bearings/ firing pins ,etc. It was basically for any glock made before 1991.

All of which was prompted by some NY police department because as the story goes, an officer loaded a mag into an empty glock, closed the slide, and a round fired.

This is something I think I read at the time : http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/upgrade-faq.html

EDIT: That site seems VERY anti-glock .. if on;y because it contains a collection of every negative experience there is. I also note that the majority of info is early Gen 1 -2 glocks.. like pre 1990.. The most recent story i find is from 2007, about a guys broken gen 1 glock.

Roundboy fucked around with this message at Mar 3, 2010 around 21:16

# ? Mar 3, 2010 20:57

infrared35: Jan 12, 2005

Neo Mara posted:

Houge.

Are all of you fuckers doing this on purpose? I haven't seen anyone spell Hogue properly in the last month.

# ? Mar 4, 2010 00:10

Neo Mara: Apr 20, 2005

No i'm just retarded I guess

also micromancer spelled it right in the post right above mine

# ? Mar 4, 2010 01:32

SFH1989: Apr 23, 2007

infrared35 posted:

If you can get it off intact (and you may not be able to), pay that thing forward.

My dad actually likes them and might end up keeping it since he's getting a Gen 3 G23 (not sure if it would fit though). But if he doesn't keep it and someone here wants it, it's theirs.

Micromancer posted:

a few drops of water inside the top edge and that poo poo slides off like a used condom.

Second thing to do is lose the +1s they only increase grip length which hinders concealment.

Also, bear in mind that Hogue MIGHT be there to give that gun finger grooves. So dont PIF it until you are sure you prefer it naked.

They're +2 (not that it makes a difference) and I'll be getting an additional one or two mags without them that could be used for carry.

I've never fired a Glock without finger groves so I'll keep it just in case it really bugs me to not have it. It would be a better carry gun without the Hogue anyway.

# ? Mar 4, 2010 02:56

hedgiejugglr: Feb 18, 2007

SFH1989 posted:

My dad actually likes them and might end up keeping it since he's getting a Gen 3 G23 (not sure if it would fit though). But if he doesn't keep it and someone here wants it, it's theirs.

They're +2 (not that it makes a difference) and I'll be getting an additional one or two mags without them that could be used for carry.

I've never fired a Glock without finger groves so I'll keep it just in case it really bugs me to not have it. It would be a better carry gun without the Hogue anyway.

Personally I find the finger grooves kind of annoying. If you enjoy shooting other guns that don't have them I think you'll be amazed how much nicer that gun feels without the Hogues on. If there was one thing I could change it would be that all my Glocks didn't have finger grooves.

# ? Mar 4, 2010 02:59

Mad Dragon: Feb 29, 2004

hedgiejugglr posted:

If there was one thing I could change it would be that all my Glocks didn't have finger grooves.

$55, and they're gone.

http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.co...ndshipping.html

# ? Mar 4, 2010 04:21

hedgiejugglr: Feb 18, 2007

Mad Dragon posted:

$55, and they're gone.

http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.co...ndshipping.html

I'd consider it, but that would cost me $165, time apart from my competition gun, and time apart from my carry gun. I also looked at the patterns he does and he has successfully make a Glock uglier. They also don't look to comfortable. As it stands I can easily use the finger grooves. I would just prefer they weren't there.

# ? Mar 4, 2010 04:28

Neo Mara: Apr 20, 2005

I'm just going to take a file to the finger grooves on the next GLOCK I get v

# ? Mar 4, 2010 06:59

Micromancer: Apr 17, 2002; He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair

Neo Mara posted:

That's a second gen G19, note the lack of rail, single pin, lack of thumb indent at the top of the grip. So yes, it has no finger grooves under the Houge.

Which is why I mentioned it

SFH1989 posted:

My dad actually likes them and might end up keeping it since he's getting a Gen 3 G23 (not sure if it would fit though). But if he doesn't keep it and someone here wants it, it's theirs.

They're +2 (not that it makes a difference) and I'll be getting an additional one or two mags without them that could be used for carry.

I've never fired a Glock without finger groves so I'll keep it just in case it really bugs me to not have it. It would be a better carry gun without the Hogue anyway.

his Gen3 has grooves, and while you are 100% correct you don't want a Hoagie on a carry gun, it would probably be a good idea to keep it around. There is very little reason to put a Hoegg on a gun with fingergrooves already on the grip.

I love you IR

hedgiejugglr posted:

Personally I find the finger grooves kind of annoying. If you enjoy shooting other guns that don't have them I think you'll be amazed how much nicer that gun feels without the Hogues on. If there was one thing I could change it would be that all my Glocks didn't have finger grooves.

you are a dumb and fingergrooves are awesome what is wrong with you

Mad Dragon posted:

$55, and they're gone.

http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.co...ndshipping.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l693NzVcPyg

Neo Mara posted:

I'm just going to take a file to the finger grooves on the next GLOCK I get vv

# ? Mar 4, 2010 08:40

hedgiejugglr: Feb 18, 2007

Micromancer posted:

you are a dumb and fingergrooves are awesome what is wrong with you

Perhaps I don't have perfectly sized fingers. I have pretty small thin, bony hands with really long fingers. I find that the finger grooves actually get in the way of getting a proper high group. It spreads my fingers out too far and makes in uncomfortable as well as pinches my fingers with hotter ammo. I know you're just busting my chops, but it's the internet and I must always reply in an extremely serious fashion.

# ? Mar 4, 2010 10:07

Micromancer: Apr 17, 2002; He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair

hedgiejugglr posted:

Perhaps I don't have perfectly sized fingers. I have pretty small thin, bony hands with really long fingers. I find that the finger grooves actually get in the way of getting a proper high group. It spreads my fingers out too far and makes in uncomfortable as well as pinches my fingers with hotter ammo. I know you're just busting my chops, but it's the internet and I must always reply in an extremely serious fashion.

The correct answer is to get corrective surgery for your imperfect fingers and leave the Glock alone

Edit: Botox or something, inflate them shits. Fatten the gently caress up until the gun is comfortable.

# ? Mar 4, 2010 10:52

hedgiejugglr: Feb 18, 2007

Micromancer posted:

The correct answer is to get corrective surgery for your imperfect fingers and leave the Glock alone

Edit: Botox or something, inflate them shits. Fatten the gently caress up until the gun is comfortable.

But I just spent a bunch of money to go to a Christian camp to cure me of my love of cock....all it did was get me more action. I deem it money well spent, but now I can't afford any surgery to fix my fingers.

# ? Mar 4, 2010 10:54

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DJExile: Jun 27, 2007

Uncle Caveman posted:

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loving

Also considering trading in my PPS for a G19 because I don't necessarily need the PPS's super slim size anymore for concealment. I will get it with a colored frame. I will leave you to guess what color.

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Black Stormy: Apr 1, 2003

DJExile posted:

loving

Also considering trading in my PPS for a G19 because I don't necessarily need the PPS's super slim size anymore for concealment. I will get it with a colored frame. I will leave you to guess what color.

Pink, because that is how you roll.

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