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Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Coffee Jones posted:

Yeah, I know. That's an unfortunate name. (safe search on)


I got to sit in an Eqqus prototype at an auto show.
No Hyundai badging anywhere, the Eqqus has its own badge, (ala Toyota Crown) no use of the term, "Hyundai Eqqus", it's just "Eqqus".
The interior is nearly much of a step over the Genesis as the Genesis is over a well equipped Sonata, and they're definitely wanting to go toe to toe with Lexus's LS.

It's actually "Equus," latin for "horse."

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Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Hermansen posted:

Audi A7 Sportback revealed today. This is Audi's answer to the CLS, Panamera.. basically 2+2 luxury.

Found some pictures at http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/26/2011-audi-a7-sportback-shows-its-shapely-rump-in-munich/

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Seat Safety Switch posted:

I can't see it catching on all that well, though. I haven't seen that many Cubes, and I'd consider that one to be more socially acceptable than the Juke. Nissan's website is also kind of unclear whether or not you can get AWD with the 6-speed manual transmission or you're forced into the CVT.
Going by the list at http://www.nissanusa.com/apps/presell/juke , looks like the MT is only available on front-wheel drive versions.

Looks like a reasonable little car though. If my current car lasts until they come out, I might be interested.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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frozenphil posted:

In my eyes, showing off the RS at the Woodward Dream Cruise, of all places, makes a compelling argument for their plans. Check out the people gathered around the RS instead of looking at the new supercharger from Ford on their new 5.0 Mustang.



I sure hope that's the case, and that it's not just this one out on the dream cruise: http://jalopnik.com/5464201/viva-los-hoons-jalopnik-reader-buys-mexican-focus-rs

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Looks like the Volkswagen Panamera Junior.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Morphix posted:

Article mentions the Cayman style front grill. I kind of like it...it reminds me of the older beetle designs, but it looks too big.

Yeah, much like the Panamera, it kind of looks too long.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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ozziegt posted:

Holy poo poo have you guys seen the new Nissan Juke? I think it gives the Aztek a run for it's money.





I'm considering test driving one; I like the commonality of the design language with the 370Z (aggressive front lighting, taillights blending into body curves) and the fake-2-door look.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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NOTinuyasha posted:

Alright I'll get dogpiled for saying this but I like the Juke, it's a cheap fake SUV with a turbocharged 1.6 that gets 24/31 and has an optional 6-speed at every trim level. It looks weird but that doesn't bother me at all, because if I see one more Rav4 or CRV I will have a breakdown, and if it's light blue I will kill myself right then and there. I'm afraid to go outside.
So true; I'd take a phalanx of Jukes over the horrible Mercedes Minivan or Generic Blobby SUV (including the new Cayenne) all the soccer moms around here drive.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Linedance posted:

Juke in the wild
Whoa, that does look bigger than I expected (something maybe a bit larger than a Golf).

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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I work from home in a really walkable district in Miami, so I only drive once a week or so. When my car dies, I really have no idea what I'll get. I want a GTI, but I can't rationalize it at all.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Seat Safety Switch posted:

Hey, who wants to see what's inside Ken Block's Fiesta?

I do, I do.

quote:

Because shower injectors introduce the fuel a long way back by spraying into the bell of the intake stack, much of the fuel vaporizes when going down the runner. The fuel's latent heat of vaporization cools the intake charge causing it to shrink and increase in density. More charge can be ingested improving volumetric efficiency.

Is the "fuel injection as evaporative charge cooling" trick used (or rather, selected for instead of just a convenient side effect) in any production cars?

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Blocko posted:

If the cameras come with fisheye lenses on them I will be supremely happy.



I love fisheye lenses.

All the backing-up cameras I've used have been very much fisheye, allowing you to see the pavement under your bumper, the wall right behind the camera, and things pretty far off to the side.

I think it'd be a lot safer if all cars were required to be Miatas or other short and low-slung cars with minimal blind spots.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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dissss posted:

Only works with the top down - Miatas (well NAs at least) have massive blindspots with the top up.
Why would you drive a convertible with the top up? :colbert:

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Throatwarbler posted:

Good news W-body fans, the Impala will be kept in production until 2014!

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/07/2012-chevy-impala-to-soldier-on-with-new-v6-replacement-delayed/

Boy I'm sure glad they killed the G8 to make room for it.

Good news, rental agency operators!

Up until I got a Camry a week and a half ago, the Impala was the most tolerable "full-size" rental car I've had.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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InitialDave posted:

If they're going to be so smug about the "real cars for real drivers" attitude they've got going on there, let's see the manual shifter in the thing.

Hertz, National, Avis, and Budget told them not to bother.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Morphix posted:

Aaah, ya I can concede to that point. Just seems like US automakers level of laziness when compared to how much development seemingly goes into their other platforms. Least it's not spread through the whole product line I guess...

If it's not broken (and considering they still move them at their ridiculous price, it's not), don't fix it.

If Ford was selling Panther platform cars for over $100,000, they'd still be making them.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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CFRP has quite a way to go in terms of cheapness, right? There's no special or rare stuff in it, just thread and plastic?

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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I would so drive an El CaM3no :(

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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CornHolio posted:

I meant new cars. Both of my cars have it on the stalk, but it seems that everybody has moved it to the steering wheel since about five years ago.

It's definitely cheaper to have it on the wheel; my old Mitsubishi has it on a stalk in the same place and with the same control layout as Toyotas. Modern Mercedes-Benzes (or at least the C-class I rented a couple times) have one to the top-left of the steering wheel, so you always end up triggering it when turning and manually stopping the turn signal.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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SOME CAR REVIEWS FROM A COUPLE WEEKENDS AGO WHEN I WENT ON A PETROFASCISM BINGE

2011 Nissan Juke

I tested this at the dealership and made sure they had a manual transmission one to test. Since I went within minutes of opening on a Saturday morning, the only salesman available couldn't drive stick very well (95% of Nissans are sold with some kind of automatic, CVT or otherwise), which was funny.

That car doesn't feel as big as it seems like it should, and feels like I want my Mirage to feel; plenty of torque when you open the trottle, sixth gear for highway cruising, and I could get a comfy seating position.

If my car goes and I have a lifestyle change where I need to own a car, this would be a contender. I'd want to take it on a longer test drive than four miles though.

2011 Chevrolet Cruze

I drove this during a promotional/marketing type event, and ended up driving it about 60 miles (from the Coral Terrace neighborhood south-west of Miami International Airport to Boca Raton). The version was the "LTZ" trim level, with the 1.4L turbo, OnStar, and satellite radio. We had the car loaded with five people, and I didn't have to jam the driver's seat all the way back like I do in almost every other car (the exception is the contemporary Dodge Challenger, which has an absolutely retarded amount of space for the front seat).

Due to the load of the car, lower-output engine, and the slushbox, it didn't feel nearly as fun or powerful as the Juke. However, the interior's a bit nicer, OnStar is quite cool, and it seemed less noisy and raw than the Juke. I'll be recommending it to my parents, since they're pro-boring-car.

2011 Chevrolet Equinox

This was driven at the same event as the Cruze, but only about ten miles. It has basically the same interior as the Cruze, but is bigger, slower, and less fun because "crossover."

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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kimbo305 posted:

Agreed. Their recent 130min firesale ad for the 2010 Charger SRT-8 was incredible.

I really appreciated that they gave a new, young director the chance to share us his vision.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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kimbo305 posted:

Well Google's been getting away with it, so I think eventually it might happen. It might just be super helpful steering and throttle control at first... but eventually, the machines will get us :(

I've done over a thousand highway miles in the last two weeks; the sooner a computer can do that while I yospost from the passenger seat the better.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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travisray2004 posted:

Wait....am I understanding this correctly? There are actual "Miku" concerts?
downright creepy is right.

I just keep thinking about Krieger's fiancée from "Archer."

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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el topo posted:

People think "automated driving" means the driver takes a completely passive role, but that's pretty far-fetched. Driving is increasingly assisted in cars today, and that's not really a bad thing.

This is my standard argument in favor of smarter cars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBxQL7u7rxk#t=31s

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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I drove some cars this weekend.

Rented the Chrysler 200 Convertible for the last couple days of RailsConf in Baltimore and a couple days of general DC stuff; the back seat isn't hostile to human life like some convertibles and the interior seems pretty nice. However, the body is pretty floppy on bad roads and the convertible mechanism is slow as hell and blocks off most of the trunk when it's down. If you have anything other than one person's carry-ons in there you're not putting the top down.

And last night, since my forty minute flight got delayed four hours, I rented a 2011 Hyundai Genesis sedan for the three hour drive to South Florida. It was quite quiet and smooth on the highways, had lots of pull all three times I took on-ramps, and seemed nice. The USB port didn't work with my iPhone 3GS and the blue LCD screen on the stereo was too bright even at the lowest setting.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Mordred posted:

Seeing Americans whine about cars being too expensive makes me mad.

I'd much rather have working public transit and pedestrian/bicycle-friendly cities than cheap cars :colbert:

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Mordred posted:

What the hell are you doing in AI?

Reading about cars; driving and automobiles are a lot more fun if you don't have a daily commute to suck the enjoyment out of them.

Faerunner posted:

I'd like both

Move to a city that got big before 1950 and ended up a bit car-hostile: Chicago, New York, or San Francisco.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Christobevii3 posted:

Has anyone driven a chevy cruze eco 6 speed? I'm still at a loss what to do car wise. One part of me wants to be an idiot and buy a mustang boss 302 and the other be economical and get a cruze or go in between and get a gti update. Still might fix the 5.3L s10 blazer swap...

AutoBlog has, and I think they liked it. I wouldn't mind testing one.

I spent last weekend with the Cruze LTZ RS:

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The cars used in this review were provided by General Motors.

The Chevrolet Cruze is what I would consider to be an “compact car;” it’s not frighteningly big, not frighteningly small, good on gas, and is the kind of car I would drive to work in if I had a commute.



Most of my impressions are from a weekend where I drove from Miami to Melbourne, three hours each way. The trip went like this:

Use switchblade key to open trunk.
Load trunk with bags, notice that there’s slightly more room than in the trunk of my 1997 Mitsubishi Mirage, much more room than the 2011 Chrysler 200 Convertible or the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette Convertible, and much less room than the Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor used for taxis in Miami.
Close trunk.
Unlock car, sit down, and buckle up (always buckle your seat belt when you enter a car or truck).
Plug iPhone 3GS into armrest for charging and music.
Start car, drive away.
The driving experience of the “LTZ RS” version I had was pretty standard. It didn’t feel floaty, shaky, or otherwise frightening at highway speeds in the least; but at the same time it didn’t have a ton of power to spare for passing. I suspect I’d enjoy the manual transmission version more on this front, since the auto is slow, even when manually commanded (although it does have six gears). Coming off of a stop, there’s a sweet spot above 3500 rpm where you can feel the extra power from the turbo, but it’s not a sports car by any means. This also means that it’s not loud and that the suspension isn’t hair-raising and jittery, which is nice.



The interior is quite nice for the size of the car; it’s better than the 2010 Prius, but not the 2009 C-klasse. The fabric covering on the dashboard looks nice, and doesn’t feel as hot as a plastic dashboard does after a day in the sun. The leather seats were okay, although I think fabric ones would be nicer in Florida. The instruments are easy to read, but I think the VFD display between the gauges could stand to show a bit more information.

In particular, while the display does give you some nice options such as the next navigation item, average fuel economy, and range until empty, it could stand to maybe put two things on the same page, provide an instantaneous fuel economy readout, and maybe a bit of audio information.

The OnStar navigation works, but it’s a bit janky and slow to get it set up. It’s nice that the car doesn’t store any map data that will be out of date long before it’s actually loaded into the car, but calling OnStar and using voice recognition to load in a new route, and being unable to quickly recover from a missed turn is pretty lame compared to what you see on a cell phone or other cars with navigation.

The audio system was pretty reasonable; it sounded fine, the XM worked well, but browsing a large collection (> 100 albums) on my iPhone was hard, since there’s no voice search, just a four-line screen and a dial to page through it. Dialing the phone over Bluetooth was also a dicey proposition; I never was able to call somebody by name (including difficult entries such as “Home” or “Shawn Baker,”) and had to use the dial to pick from the whole phone book or recent call lists pretty often. My #1 annoyance was that the navigation system wouldn’t duck out in a phone call like the stereo would, so everyone got an earful of turn-by-turn directions.

Since it’s a compact car, I didn’t try and put four 6’ guys in it for a trip to Epcot; my parents got the vehicle for the day, and liked it. My dad in particular said that he’d consider one once the reliability is a known factor, and that him and my mom didn’t have any really problems with it around town.

I didn’t see fantastic gas mileage during my travels, but did get about 35mpg on the highway with A/C on. Other than that, there’s not much to say; it’s a quietly competent compact car, with nice toys inside.


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Jul 20, 2001

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dissss posted:

Because thats how much torque diesels make - Its only a little more than an equivalent VW or Ford model.

It won't be quick though, in most cases the petrol turbo will do better.

The Cruze LTZ isn't quick either. It's not dangerously slow, but it's slow enough that you'd rather have the stick from the Eco just for the extra control and confidence.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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kimbo305 posted:

The way they packaged the 4-2-1 header over the cat is pretty nice:

Hopefully people will be happy with the flow of that header, since making your own might be tricky.

Oh wow, that should really help get the cat up to operating temperature faster.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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kimbo305 posted:

It's substantially bigger than the Mini and bigger than the GTI.



Overall length is less than an inch longer than the MINI Cooper Countryman, it's skinnier than either, and has a mere four inches on (is 106% of) the GTI's height.

I was considering one a few months ago, but my car hasn't died yet so…

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Gripen5 posted:

The Sonata Turbo recommends 87. Not sure why exactly.

Because the engine is designed and tested to run just fine on 87. There used to be a sticky thread on Prius Chat (don't ask) saying that higher octane than 87 doesn't actually help gas mileage (measured per gallon).

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Throatwarbler posted:

I think CVTs have higher frictional losses than conventional gearboxes, and make up for it by being in the "right" gear vis a vis the engine at all times, which makes them better suited for certain types of vehicles, like Japanese kei cars that otherwise can only fit a 4 speed autos and mostly do city drive cycle(I think they have a clutch that just freewheels when not moving?). For larger cars/engines and highway cruising they aren't very good.

The Nissan Juke (similar in size and weight to a VW Golf or Mini Cooper Countryman) gets better highway mileage and much better city mileage with the CVT than the six-speed manual.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I think the venn diagram showing "traditional subaru customers" and "people who are interested in the toyobaru" has a very small overlap and most of thsoe people post on this forum.

Subaru only caters to ricers (no offense intended, I drive a Mitsubishi) and Colorado-tier granolas, and the BR-Z covers half of that.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Guinness posted:

:what:

Subaru is the official car of the Pacific Northwest.

Seriously, like 1 out of 3 cars here are Subarus. Not exaggerating at all. And most of these people driving non-WRX Imprezas, Outbacks, and Foresters aren't going to care one bit about the BRZ - the same way they don't care one bit about the WRX/STi.

I live in Florida, anything north and west of Colorado Springs is part of Colorado from my perspective ;)

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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dissss posted:

Sure high end ones do, but even an unsubsidised very low end smartphone will have a comparatively good screen compared to the one in that Mazda and cost about $100 unlocked and unsubsidised.

The problem is that Mazda is a car company, and they don't necessarily see the display quality (a variable cost) and design (a big fixed cost that's easy to gently caress up: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/30/fords-second-gen-sync-system-off-to-a-buggy-start/ ) as being worth the extra cost. A car with a '90s crappy cabin infotainment system that works is a lot better than one with an extremely ambitious cutting-edge one that falls flat.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Cream_Filling posted:

The change to the side profile is atrocious. And the Camaro rear lights don't even make sense to me - why the hell would you want to remind people of your cheaper counterpart?

Because the "cheaper counterpart" is a runaway hit and Chevrolet doesn't want to mess with it in the process of introducing a more coherent design language across both of their sporty cars.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Cream_Filling posted:

With the introduction of the ZL-1, the Camaro is already edging dangerously close to the Corvette in terms of pricing and power/prestige. Given that situation, logically you would want to further separate the two cars to avoid competing against yourself. Making the more expensive of the two cars (which is still selling well and has received few complaints about its styling) look more like the cheaper one is really pretty pointless. If anything, you would want to take the car further upscale since the only way to get people to buy a base Corvette instead of the ZL-1 Camaro is to accentuate the sharper styling and smaller size from being a true two-seater sports car instead of a muscle car/pony car. Making it look fatter and more like the $25k Camaro makes no sense.

Camaro Base - $24k
Camaro ZL1 - 580 hp, $55k

Corvette Coupe - 430 hp, $50k

By making the Corvette look like the Camaro, they are re-framing it from the other fast Chevrolet to the aspirational upgrade from the Camaro. Same style, same powertrain (?), but more elite since it's more expensive and less practical. If they can get somebody who wants a Corvette but can't make the case for it into a Camaro instead of a Mustang or Challenger due to the consistent identity, that's a win.

They aren't trying to make two distinct sporty cars that individually make lots of money, they're trying to build a brand (Chevrolet) that makes lots of money on sports cars, no matter the size. Making the Corvette look like the Camaro fits in to that; they're not making it look like the Mustang or Challenger.

:iiaca: reversal of fortune: it's the same reason Apple redesigned the iMac lines in 2009 to use the same design language as the 2008 MacBook, and why the iPod Mini got discontinued in favor of the iPod Nano. The brand and the company as a whole are more important than the products.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

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Cream_Filling posted:

Except the Corvette has always been the halo car of the Chevrolet lineup, and there is no reason to make it look uglier. I still think my Ford analogy works better.

Making the Corvette look fatter isn't "growing the brand." It's just a bad styling move.

Making the Corvette look like the Camaro helps it build the brand as a halo car. I'm sorry you don't like the way it looks!

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Jul 20, 2001

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Cakefool posted:

Dear god how wide do they think parking spaces are? Is that a concept or a pre-production jobbie?

Unless there's a price tag attached, assume it's just a concept developed at great expense that will never be produced. There's less disappointment that way.

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