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canti32 posted:Are there any anime or manga where the villain ends up being a good guy of sorts? Kind of like Code Geass with Lelouch at the end, or Metal Gear Solid 3 and The Boss More specifically. Do you mean characters that seem villainous but are revealed to be heroic or villains that develop to be heroic?
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| # ? May 5, 2010 09:40 |
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Not like a villain redemption, but rather they were a "good guy" from the beginning but due to a conspiracy or circumstances had to act evil to goad the protagonist into saving the world. MGS 3 is really the best example I can think of at the moment, or even MGS 4 with Ocelot.
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| # ? May 5, 2010 09:49 |
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Then ignore the Zeta rec. With the other two though, the characters that undergo that aren't exactly the main characters or villains though, so it might not be what you want exactly? Just go watch Giant Robo Unmistakeable Fire fucked around with this message at May 5, 2010 around 10:13 |
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canti32 posted:Not like a villain redemption, but rather they were a "good guy" from the beginning but due to a conspiracy or circumstances had to act evil to goad the protagonist into saving the world. MGS 3 is really the best example I can think of at the moment, or even MGS 4 with Ocelot.
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| # ? May 5, 2010 10:12 |
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canti32 posted:Not like a villain redemption, but rather they were a "good guy" from the beginning but due to a conspiracy or circumstances had to act evil to goad the protagonist into saving the world. MGS 3 is really the best example I can think of at the moment, or even MGS 4 with Ocelot. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Sort of. But you should watch it anyway.
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canti32 posted:Are there any anime or manga where the villain ends up being a good guy of sorts? Kind of like Code Geass with Lelouch at the end, or Metal Gear Solid 3 and The Boss Battle Angel Alita fits your requirements perfectly, if you're okay with manga. Also just to throw a completely out-of-forum-context suggestion, have you watched Farscape?
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Battle Angel Alita fits your requirements perfectly, if you're okay with manga. That's not that true at all, assuming you're referring to Desty. It's more that he's so morally gray that he's just switched allegiances; he wasn't a good guy all along, he was just himself all along.
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| # ? May 5, 2010 18:50 |
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You know, Tokyo Underground had quite a few villains switch sides for absolutely no reason. Seriously though, don't read/watch Tokyo Underground
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Zorak posted:That's not that true at all, assuming you're referring to Desty. It's more that he's so morally gray that he's just switched allegiances; he wasn't a good guy all along, he was just himself all along. By absurd shonen standards, and assuming I'm remembering correctly and none of his experiments in the original series were on unwilling subjects I'm willing to at least call him "not actually a villain." E: He also has the "threaten the protagonist to bring out as much of her potential as possible" clause down to a science. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at May 5, 2010 around 19:20 |
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Ghost in the Shell, maybe?
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| # ? May 5, 2010 19:42 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:You know, Tokyo Underground had quite a few villains switch sides for absolutely no reason. Seriously though, don't read/watch Tokyo Underground Everyone should watch Tokyo Underground so they have the perfect basis for generic and average shounen to compare everything else to.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:By absurd shonen standards, and assuming I'm remembering correctly and none of his experiments in the original series were on unwilling subjects I'm willing to at least call him "not actually a villain." He's neither good or evil, again. (Good and evil don't exist so that's moot though!!)
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Zorak posted:He's neither good or evil, again. (Good and evil don't exist so that's moot though!!) Sure, okay, but we're not talking about good and evil. We're talking about good guys and bad guys, which is a fuzzy but not completely undefinable fictional construct. Anyways, I think the character should scratch the "supposed bad guy ends up supporting the hero in some way" itch. That's my recommendation.
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Guyver posted:The first series of Rayearth. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Also just to throw a completely out-of-forum-context suggestion, have you watched Farscape? Thank you, I'm gonna try these two edit:vvv I spent the better part of last night looking for one but couldn't find one that was just right canti32 fucked around with this message at May 6, 2010 around 02:59 |
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Is there some Tvtrope that might describe what he is getting at?
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| # ? May 6, 2010 02:53 |
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I'm on page 8 of this thread at the moment but figured I would make a request anyway- Does anyone know of any really great translated horror manga? I've read every single translated work by Junji Ito I can find and would like something in the similar vein. I absolutely adored The Drifting Classroom as well. And piggybacking onto that- really great horror anime series or one-shots? I really love  anime but I haven't seen a ton of really great horror series out there. Any suggestions?
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It's been a long since I've read anything by Ito so this is kind of a shot in the dark but the original Devilman manga? Not in the same vein but Berserk, Hellsing, Wolf Guy and Zetman if you're not reading them already. As for anime Mushishi is pretty horrorish at times. The Kara no Kyoukai movie series not only has some of the best anime movies in it but it's horror too. Ghost Talker's Daydream was a decent OVA it's about a dominatrix that exorcises sprites as a side job. Call Me Tonight was a wonderful one shot horror comedy about a call girl who is asked to help find a way to stop a guy from turning into a monster when he's aroused. Neither Call Me Tonight or Ghost Talker's Daydream are porn which is weird considering most horror in anime is porn. Guyver fucked around with this message at May 6, 2010 around 07:40 |
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Therapee posted:I'm on page 8 of this thread at the moment but figured I would make a request anyway- Fuan no Tane. I forget where I found it, and its licensing status but it is very very good. The fantastic and terrifying thing about these Japanese stories is that they revolve largely around these malevolent urban environments and this lovely universe that has no fairness or logic to its cruelty.
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Therapee posted:I'm on page 8 of this thread at the moment but figured I would make a request anyway- Monster is a good series, if you haven't seen/read it.
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Nuage posted:+1 to that! I am yet another victim of School Days thanks to this forum. Yet another mind hosed. I did spoil myself quite a bit because I knew poo poo was gonna get real, the part around episode 10 where Kotonoha starts to get that dead-eyed look? That poo poo me up, and I had to find out more about what was gonna happen. it was still amazingly Can I just say School Days is by far the best anime I've ever seen and everyone who likes anime should watch it. this is not sarcasm btw. Eventually I'll write a long rear end post about what makes it so great, but basically the whole thing just destroys otaku culture and most anime as misogynistic, empty, and actively destroying Japanese society. School Days is sort of like the anime equivelant of Funny Games, where it repeatedly breaks the 4th wall through fanservice and anime bullshit only to bring you down and make you feel like poo poo for watching it. For now let me stop with this image, which I feel summarizes the show perfectly.  In case it wasn't clear Kotonoha is talking to you
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when I saw it.
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Prince of Tennis posted:Can I just say School Days is by far the best anime I've ever seen and everyone who likes anime should watch it. this is not sarcasm btw. Eventually I'll write a long rear end post about what makes it so great, but basically the whole thing just destroys otaku culture and most anime as misogynistic, empty, and actively destroying Japanese society. School Days is sort of like the anime equivelant of Funny Games, where it repeatedly breaks the 4th wall through fanservice and anime bullshit only to bring you down and make you feel like poo poo for watching it. For now let me stop with this image, which I feel summarizes the show perfectly. I prefer the Cross Days ending for Makoto.  Seriously though never view or read anything about Cross Days. I've only seen some images and it is some  poo poo.
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Hey, so after re-watching Spirited Away I started remembering about a lot of other Anime movies I had seen and enjoyed. Princess Mononoke, The girl who leaped through time and 5 Centimeters Per Second really grabbed my interest. I was wondering if any goons out there had other recommended viewing. Got anything I should see?
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MrMortimer posted:Hey, so after re-watching Spirited Away I started remembering about a lot of other Anime movies I had seen and enjoyed. Princess Mononoke, The girl who leaped through time and 5 Centimeters Per Second really grabbed my interest. I was wondering if any goons out there had other recommended viewing. Got anything I should see? Kara no Kyoukai is a pretty good set of movies (5 and 7 in particular are amazing). Jin-roh is another good one.
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Prince of Tennis posted:Can I just say School Days is by far the best anime I've ever seen and everyone who likes anime should watch it. this is not sarcasm btw. Eventually I'll write a long rear end post about what makes it so great, but basically the whole thing just destroys otaku culture and most anime as misogynistic, empty, and actively destroying Japanese society. School Days is sort of like the anime equivelant of Funny Games, where it repeatedly breaks the 4th wall through fanservice and anime bullshit only to bring you down and make you feel like poo poo for watching it. For now let me stop with this image, which I feel summarizes the show perfectly. Well it's pretty much the best troll to all harem anime. So yeah it's probably the greatest.  Also, Just finished GTO (anime). It was worth it. Thanks, dudes. 
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MrMortimer posted:Hey, so after re-watching Spirited Away I started remembering about a lot of other Anime movies I had seen and enjoyed. Princess Mononoke, The girl who leaped through time and 5 Centimeters Per Second really grabbed my interest. I was wondering if any goons out there had other recommended viewing. Got anything I should see? Summer Wars, which has the same studio and director as The Girl Who Leapt Through Time. Not quite as serious as TGWLTT, but it has the same charm in the characters. An absolute blast of a movie. The Place Promised in Our Early Days and Voices of a Distant Star were both directed by Makoto Shinkai, the guy behind 5cm per second. Voices is a particularly interesting one because of the context behind how it was made: it was written, directed, and produced entirely by Shinkai himself on his Mac computer. There are really only two characters with speaking parts in the movie, and they were originally voiced by Shinkai himself and his girlfriend. Personally of all his works, I like TPPiOED the most. Also seconding Kara no Kyoukai because that set of movies were amazing and may be my favorite "series" to come out of the 2000's.
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Prince of Tennis posted:Can I just say School Days is by far the best anime I've ever seen and everyone who likes anime should watch it. this is not sarcasm btw. Eventually I'll write a long rear end post about what makes it so great, but basically the whole thing just destroys otaku culture and most anime as misogynistic, empty, and actively destroying Japanese society. School Days is sort of like the anime equivelant of Funny Games, where it repeatedly breaks the 4th wall through fanservice and anime bullshit only to bring you down and make you feel like poo poo for watching it. For now let me stop with this image, which I feel summarizes the show perfectly. MrMortimer posted:Hey, so after re-watching Spirited Away I started remembering about a lot of other Anime movies I had seen and enjoyed. Princess Mononoke, The girl who leaped through time and 5 Centimeters Per Second really grabbed my interest. I was wondering if any goons out there had other recommended viewing. Got anything I should see? But I'll add Satoshi Kon films (particularly Perfect Blue), and Denpa Teki na Kanojo (although it's an OVA). Ferretts fucked around with this message at May 7, 2010 around 05:47 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:By absurd shonen standards, and assuming I'm remembering correctly and none of his experiments in the original series were on unwilling subjects I'm willing to at least call him "not actually a villain." I'd definitely say that Nova was a villain in the original, though he would never consider himself one.
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Therapee posted:I absolutely adored The Drifting Classroom as well.
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I loved... LOVED.... Mushi-shi. Would I like Tactics?
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/\/\/\ Idk what that is but I do think you'd like Natsume Yuujinchou quite a lot.Ferretts posted:I'll echo the recommendations for Mamoru Hosoda films, Makoto Shinkai films (5cm/sec: the prettiest movie about the ordinary you will ever see), and Kara no Kyoukai. Paprika is another solid Satoshi Kon flick. It's also much more colorful and fun than is usual for him. Which reminds me, if you really want to drown in ennui, symbolism, and shameless pseduo-intellectualism you could always give some Mamoru Oshii flicks a shot. He did the original GitS movie and his recent The Sky Crawlers was actually pretty good in it's own way imo.
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Isn't Tactics just another mediocre shounen ai show?
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Serious Frolicking posted:Isn't Tactics just another mediocre shounen ai show? No idea, I was looking for another serious paranormal mystery anime like Mushi-shi... ah, I even got the live action film to extend my viewing pleasure.
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ZenMaster posted:No idea, I was looking for another serious paranormal mystery anime like Mushi-shi... ah, I even got the live action film to extend my viewing pleasure. Then yes, Natsume Yuujinchou is what you are looking for. While it isn't so big on the mystery aspects, Kino no Tabi is also similar in tone to Mushishi. As for Tactics, shounen ai is pretty much all garbage due to strict adherence to lovely genre conventions. Serious Frolicking fucked around with this message at May 7, 2010 around 19:27 |
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ZenMaster posted:No idea, I was looking for another serious paranormal mystery anime like Mushi-shi... ah, I even got the live action film to extend my viewing pleasure. I haven't seen it myself, but I hear the live action Mushishi isn't too good. Watch Natsume Yuujinchou instead. You will probably also like Seirei no Moribito, for entirely different reasons
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Bestial Acts posted:Monster is a good series, if you haven't seen/read it. Yes. Got recommended this from this thread and I love this kind of stuff.
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Therapee posted:I'm on page 8 of this thread at the moment but figured I would make a request anyway- Oh! I just remembered a good series that I watched a while back called Ghost Hound. I don't remember much from the show but it did sufficiently scare me from time-to-time
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Was poking around Hulu for something to watch when I don't feel like finishing Eureka Seven and saw a few interesting looking shows. Was wondering if any of you guys had seen or had any opinions on these. If they suck I'd just rather spend my time watching Gurren Lagann or Sengoku Basara or any of the other definitive good shows. Birdy The Mighty: Decode seemed kinda cool. Has some ...interesting attire choices for Ms. Birdy Dance the Vampire Bund's first episode pretty much sold me in just the way it was presented but I'm still not 100% sure on how it is going to turn out later on. Casshern Sins the concept sounds decent enough but I haven't started it.
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How fare are you in E7? You should finish it!!
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Casshern is amazing, Birdy Decode is above average and has some great fight scenes. I can't comment on Vampire Bund, as I don't generally make a habit of watching child pornography.
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MeinGott posted:Dance the Vampire Bund's first episode pretty much sold me in just the way it was presented but I'm still not 100% sure on how it is going to turn out later on. Just avoid. If you have archives or whatever, you can see the thread started on it (with a swift banning of the OP) and the type of people that show attracted. ninja edit: ^^^ ahahaha that's a much better way of putting it
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