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KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



the 757 in my opinion is the worst mainline airframe in service today and it's not all that close

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Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

Oh who knows with these people. It's one calamity after another.


I rode in a B757 this weekend. Coach. Center seat. I am six foot two. I agree with that sentiment so hard.

grover posted:

Possibly related to the a planet Kepler recently found that's not much larger than earth and only about 352 light years away. It's hotter than goldilocks zone, though.

Of the 1200-odd planets Kepler found as of the last big announcement (Feb 2011), 800 were earth-sized and 54 are goldilocks planets. These findings are really driving drake equation estimates up; virtually every star they look at has planets, and an astonishing amount have earth-sized planets and goldilocks planets.

That just blows my mind.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW







Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

That just blows my mind.
Best estimates now are that about 2% of sunlike stars have earthlike planets in the habitable zone. Works out to about 2 billion goldilocks earths in our galaxy alone, and about 30,000 within 1000 light years of us.

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007


HELIX ON THE SCENE

God I love silly-looking aircraft.

Also jesus christ it's goddamn Russian choppa week on Airliners.net or something.







Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008


Airbus a380 crosswind landing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5pGlw4o3Ks
Dont care if its old. Its crazy.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd


Ola posted:

With a good STOL wing and a powerful engine, not much water at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8c2gxlw0MU

If we're talking Alaskan STOL aircraft, I think it's time to post the Valdez fly-in STOL competition video again. My boss (Viper driver) went to this and said it was nuts. Speaking of him, funny story...he was flying up to Eielson in his Super Cub when the engine quits halfway between Elmendorf and Eielson. He puts it down on the Parks Highway, tinkers with it for a bit with some Army dude that happened to be driving by and stopped to help, gets it going again and takes off. It was fine...right until he was on final, where it quit again. He declares an IFE, lands dead stick, calls to be towed off the runway, and heads for the Squadron bar.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

WWND?

Boomerjinks posted:



That's one giant-assed steering wheel.

Ridge_Runner_5
May 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Nebakenezzer posted:

That's one giant-assed steering wheel.

Designed by OTR drivers to piss off helicopter pilots.

Ridge_Runner_5
May 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

star stuff

Honestly, looking at those photos of the night sky where it's just completely stuffed with stars, scares the living poo poo out of me.

The hugeness of it all. We think our species are loving hot shots, we aren't a goddamn thing on the scale of the galaxy. You could be the single most important person in the Sol system, and it's about as relevant as the most bad rear end ant that you stepped on.

Look at that. That is just a teeny tiny fraction of our galaxy.


There is literally more galaxies out there than there are pennies needed to count out the federal deficit for THIS YEAR.



Excuse me while I go cower in a corner at the enormity of it all.

Sudo Echo
Mar 1, 2011



The Hubble Deep Field site has some good "fun facts" about the enormity of it all.

If astronomers made the Hubble Ultra Deep Field observation over the entire sky, how long would it take?

The whole sky contains 12.7 million times more area than the Ultra Deep Field. To observe the entire sky would take almost 1 million years of uninterrupted observing.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004



grover posted:

Best estimates now are that about 2% of sunlike stars have earthlike planets in the habitable zone. Works out to about 2 billion goldilocks earths in our galaxy alone, and about 30,000 within 1000 light years of us.

If there is intelligent life out there, I bet they all bitch about the cramped conditions on their atmospheric transportation devices.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

Oh who knows with these people. It's one calamity after another.


Ola posted:

If there is intelligent life out there, I bet they all bitch about the cramped conditions on their atmospheric transportation devices.

The Zulbox 4;321 is a piece of poo poo. Axjedoe q'd for life'

Ola
Jul 19, 2004



Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

The Zulbox 4;321 is a piece of poo poo. Axjedoe q'd for life'

The Axjedoe q'd might be the best hyperspacer, but the psionic entertainment was poo poo and the tentacle room was ridiculously tight.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

Oh who knows with these people. It's one calamity after another.


Ola posted:

The Axjedoe q'd might be the best hyperspacer, but the psionic entertainment was poo poo and the tentacle room was ridiculously tight.

At least it isn't constantly falling into black holes like the Zulbox 4;321.

Colonial Air Force
May 22, 2002

Bombing Redcoats since 1775.


Ola posted:

The Axjedoe q'd might be the best hyperspacer, but the psionic entertainment was poo poo and the tentacle room was ridiculously tight.

It's true, that's why they only sold 14 of them.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

At least it isn't constantly falling into black holes like the Zulbox 4;321.

It happens twice and suddenly you fanboys treat it like an epidemic.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



Zulbox is only still relevant because of Djirac-government subsidies

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



it's not like Axjedoe doesn't receive similar benefits through tax breaks and government-sourced r&d from the Yuelgno government, just check the latest GAO report on Supporting Native Hyperspace Transport Industry

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

I don't want no Commies in my car. No Christians, neither.

http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1143348987001


David Oliver, 29, takes us behind the scenes as he and other crew members fly the world's only airworthy B-29, "FIFI," to Oshkosh for AirVenture 2011. Take a quick tour of the plane, learn how it flies, and watch four P-51s escort the bomber to OSH.

CroatianAlzheimers
Jun 15, 2009

I can't remember why I'm mad at you...


He's 29, and he flies a B-29. I've wasted my life.

Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008


As someone who goes to EAA frequently, this is pretty inspiring.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

I don't want no Commies in my car. No Christians, neither.

BSAKat posted:

He's 29, and he flies a B-29.

Good thing they didn't restore an He-111.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004



Phanatic posted:

Good thing they didn't restore an He-111.

Or a Pe-2.

Great video!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



potez 630

ManifunkDestiny
Aug 2, 2005

King


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

potez 630

Man I'm writing a paper on Interwar France, and the French were just total shits about aircraft production until the eve of WW2. I mean, look at these stupid things:


Front line bomber!


Air supremacy fighter!

Even the vaunted D. 250 and other late-era fighters were produced in numbers so small to not make a difference.

Anyways, sorry for the derail.

Colonial Air Force
May 22, 2002

Bombing Redcoats since 1775.


ManifunkDestiny posted:

Man I'm writing a paper on Interwar France, and the French were just total shits about aircraft production until the eve of WW2. I mean, look at these stupid things:


Front line bomber!


Air supremacy fighter!

Even the vaunted D. 250 and other late-era fighters were produced in numbers so small to not make a difference.

Anyways, sorry for the derail.

Their tanks weren't any better.

It was really no contest for the Nazis to just take France.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



argh this is retarded the S35 was probably the best tank of the early 1940s, you could perhaps make a case for the BT7 or the Vz.38.

the issue was that they didn't produce enough of them, since most formations were equipped with R35s and Hotchkisses but HEY WHAT DO YOU KNOW the germans were in exactly the same boat w/r/t their analogous PzIII

the issue wasn't with designs, there were strategic, operational and tactical weaknesses

1. strategic: the rush to the Dyle/albert canal line and the attempt to defend the Gembloux gap was not necessarily a bad idea but for an army designed to play defense a race to a point with no preestablished fighting positions is Dumb, they were counting on Liege and the Belgians to slow the Germans a lot more than actually occurred if the french battle plan was to be successful.

2. operational: deploying the 2 DLM up to the netherlands and then having them fall back was operationally a disaster due to the reliability of the vehicles. pretty much anyone deploying a tank formation over that distance and time period would encounter the same problems. 2 DLM was the primary mobile armored formation of the french army. having a tank wear out is just as good as destroying it

3. inadequate radios.

there wasn't really anything wrong with 1940s French designs for basically any military hardware in terms of competitiveness with the Germans. they just were not rearmed at the same level as the germans at all (to manifunk's point). Two tank brigades of S35s and PzIIIs is going to be 6-5 and pick 'em, mostly dependent on training and command and deployment, which was the primary issue and not the actual quality of an individual AFV or aircraft

ManifunkDestiny
Aug 2, 2005

King


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

argh this is retarded the S35 was probably the best tank of the early 1940s, you could perhaps make a case for the BT7 or the Vz.38.

the issue was that they didn't produce enough of them, since most formations were equipped with R35s and Hotchkisses but HEY WHAT DO YOU KNOW the germans were in exactly the same boat w/r/t their analogous PzIII

the issue wasn't with designs, there were strategic, operational and tactical weaknesses

1. strategic: the rush to the Dyle/albert canal line and the attempt to defend the Gembloux gap was not necessarily a bad idea but for an army designed to play defense a race to a point with no preestablished fighting positions is Dumb, they were counting on Liege and the Belgians to slow the Germans a lot more than actually occurred if the french battle plan was to be successful.

2. operational: deploying the 2 DLM up to the netherlands and then having them fall back was operationally a disaster due to the reliability of the vehicles. pretty much anyone deploying a tank formation over that distance and time period would encounter the same problems. 2 DLM was the primary mobile armored formation of the french army. having a tank wear out is just as good as destroying it

3. inadequate radios.

there wasn't really anything wrong with 1940s French designs for basically any military hardware in terms of competitiveness with the Germans. they just were not rearmed at the same level as the germans at all (to manifunk's point). Two tank brigades of S35s and PzIIIs is going to be 6-5 and pick 'em, mostly dependent on training and command and deployment, which was the primary issue and not the actual quality of an individual AFV or aircraft

Yeah the French tanks in this period were actually superior in terms of firepower and armor. They just didn't move fast enough and were solely consigned to infantry-escort. The French didn't mass them but spread them out among infantry divisions, so there were at most 10-20 tanks meeting a Panzer battalion of 300+ tanks. While the aircraft issue was one of both quantity and quality inferiority, with tanks it was simple archaic doctrine preventing the efficient use of their tanks.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



well i mentioned the DLMs because those are armored formations analogous in tactics and equipment to the Pz divisions. in fact, the crazy thing about everything is that the french high command actually concentrated more S35s among fewer units than the germans did with the Pz III.

the french did tend to spread out the Char D1s and other retarded infantry tanks among the infantry though. They did well with the cav tanks but again, you have two DLM formations against... a bunch of german "light cavalry divisions" which are maybe slightly quantitatively inferior.

I did make a mistake, 2 DLM fought pretty well near Hannut, and 1 DLM was the one that was wasted by that loving retarded netherlands adventure.

Sometimes I think that without captured Pz38ts the Germans would have been pretty hosed in France, at least to the extent of it going a lot less well, and any sort of stabilization of the front allows reinforcements from the UK and the French to fight their kind of war.

edit: you will get no argument from me that the germans were more doctrinally appropriate to the resources they had at hand and were more effective at using their armored resources on the strategic, tactical and operational level.

edit: here is a cool pictur of airplang

finnish Morane-Saulnier 406. built by socialists, delivered by nazis, re-engined by communists and rearmed with a mixture of whatever the gently caress was on hand and flown by alcoholics

KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at Dec 2, 2011 around 17:03

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

I don't want no Commies in my car. No Christians, neither.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:


finnish Morane-Saulnier 406. built by socialists, delivered by nazis, re-engined by communists and rearmed with a mixture of whatever the gently caress was on hand and flown by alcoholics

The Lada Riva (car) was a Fiat 124, which the Soviets redesigned (removing the disc brakes and replacing them with drum brakes which barely worked, adding a *manual fuel pump* and a *starting handle* instead of the fancy Fiat ignition, and making the bodywork out of light tank armor). The car is still being produced today, under license, in *Egypt*.

Clarkson said it best: "Imagine that. A 40-year-old Italian car, improved by the Russians and now built by a bunch of Egyptians. I can't think of anything worse than that.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



ladas rule you shut your whore mouth

Boomerjinks
Jan 31, 2007


Ridge_Runner_5 posted:



NNNNGH do you have that in HUGE?

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW







Boomerjinks posted:

NNNNGH do you have that in HUGE?
There's a 1080p time-lapse animation of that (packaged some other amazing landscape shots) floating around. Or if not that precise photo, a very similar one.

LOO
Mar 5, 2004



Boomerjinks posted:

NNNNGH do you have that in HUGE?

1,500 × 998 here...

http://jimrichardson.typepad.com/.a...706e0546970b-pi

Ridge_Runner_5
May 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Enjoy some video...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=10c_1317220703

Schindler's Fist
Jul 22, 2004
Weasels! Get 'em off me! Aaaa!

Airbus products get discussed on the RISKS Digest, which deals with risks to the public from computers and software. Boeing, you don't see them there as much. So, from my obscure nerdy newsletter straw poll, I conclude:

"If it's not Boeing, I'm not going."
of course this is moot since I never go anywhere oh god my life is so pathetic

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW







What about Canadair and Embraer?

Also, I'll leave you with this photo of an MV-22 refueling:

(Click for massive)

rcman50166
Mar 23, 2010

Just look at all those sexy consumer electronics.


grover posted:

What about Canadair and Embraer?

Also, I'll leave you with this photo of an MV-22 refueling:

(Click for massive)


I never understood why the blade tips were glowing green. Can someone explain this phenomena?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



it's not like boeing products have a better safety record either, i really don't get the safety/quality dickwaving that goes on about airliners

PREYING MANTITS
Mar 13, 2003

and that's how you get ants.

rcman50166 posted:

I never understood why the blade tips were glowing green. Can someone explain this phenomena?

There's lights on the blade tips for night safety.

Ridge_Runner_5 posted:

Enjoy some video...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=10c_1317220703

Man that's awesome. I recently moved to a fairly rural area and for the first time since my childhood I've been able to see a non light-polluted sky and it really blew my mind seeing all the stars at once. Going to have to try photographing the milky way some day.

PREYING MANTITS fucked around with this message at Dec 3, 2011 around 15:13

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Ridge_Runner_5
May 26, 2011

by Y Kant Ozma Post


PREYING MANTITS posted:

There's lights on the blade tips for night safety.

Should just paint the rotor hubs instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq21MLP8gYI

Ridge_Runner_5 fucked around with this message at Dec 3, 2011 around 16:41

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