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EvilMoJoJoJo
Dec 9, 2004

ask me about leaving the cult of black metal and bringing jesus into your life

Job 19:17


Dear airport fiction thread,

I just read a Matthew Reilly (I know :/ ) book called The Six Sacred Stones featuring Shane, oops, Jack West, and about two thirds of the way through, a Maghook turned up. Thread denizens, I'm ashamed to admit that I whooped and punched the air. I'm sorry. I don't know what came over me.

The book ends with a big ol' cliffhanger, which I am fairly sure will be resolved using said Maghook - in fact, I'd put money on it. The book was so horrendously, marvellously bad, I'm kind of thinking about picking up the next one in the series, and hating myself for considering it.

Thanks for reading.

xoxoxo

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Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


^^^^^^^^

You must read Seven Deadly Wonders. It is required.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

EvilMoJoJoJo posted:

Dear airport fiction thread,

I just read a Matthew Reilly (I know :/ ) book called The Six Sacred Stones featuring Shane, oops, Jack West, and about two thirds of the way through, a Maghook turned up. Thread denizens, I'm ashamed to admit that I whooped and punched the air. I'm sorry. I don't know what came over me.

The book ends with a big ol' cliffhanger, which I am fairly sure will be resolved using said Maghook - in fact, I'd put money on it. The book was so horrendously, marvellously bad, I'm kind of thinking about picking up the next one in the series, and hating myself for considering it.
You would be absolutely, 100% right!

And yeah, you have to get The Five Greatest Warriors. Anyone who hasn't figured out the 'secret' identity of the fifth warrior before they even finish the riddle that describes them all is officially an idiot. I actually thought it was too obvious and that there would be a twist, but nope, it genuinely is that blatant.

Also, one of the other warriors is Jesus. Yes, that Jesus.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?


Well duh.. He is the master of Jew-Jitsu

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


I'm waiting for Five Greatest Warriors to come out in paperback. I do have my standards you know...


Payndz, why isn't The Pyramid of Doom available now? I need my Wilde/Chase fix.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001


Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Well duh.. He is the master of Jew-Jitsu
Brilliant.

Flatscan
Mar 27, 2001

Outlaw Journalist



Payndz posted:

I actually thought it was too obvious and that there would be a twist, but nope, it genuinely is that blatant.

Come on dude, that's like complaining about the fact that if Eddie or Nina speak to or about a billionaire in the first few pages of the book, he/she is the bad guy.

Oh, and please tell me the next book is going to be about those purple statue thingies, I want to know what they are.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

Flatscan posted:

Come on dude, that's like complaining about the fact that if Eddie or Nina speak to or about a billionaire in the first few pages of the book, he/she is the bad guy.

Oh, and please tell me the next book is going to be about those purple statue thingies, I want to know what they are.
Hey! That's only happened, er, three times in six books. Maybe three and a half. Pretty sure Cussler's evil billionaire ratio is higher than mine. (Mental note: include non-evil billionaire at some point.)

Purple statue thingies will return.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


Payndz posted:

Hey! That's only happened, er, three times in six books. Maybe three and a half. Pretty sure Cussler's evil billionaire ratio is higher than mine. (Mental note: include non-evil billionaire at some point.)

Purple statue thingies will return.

How many times did you count Sophia? She should be worth at least two.

Furry Neo
Nov 18, 2003

Whoa.


I'm inappropriately excited that Christopher Reich's Rules of Betrayal is arriving in the mail tomorrow. They're slightly above-average for spy action novels, but still prettymuch the definition of airport fiction.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?


The problem with non billionaire bad guys is they can be pretty god damned boring.

Think about it, you have a guy with umpteen billion, he can buy pretty much anything and actually BUILD that super secret headquarters and have the fembots with the nipple lasers on guard duty.

You have just a regular joe, he's got a shed he built himself, and some mannequins with laser pointers or LEDs in their boobs.

One needs a secret agent to take out, the other just needs medication and a hobby.

About the only other choice you can go with is SECRET CULT THAT HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME, and yet somehow never has been noticed until now, and then once you use em every other single secret cult seems kinda like a lovely plot device.

The only other one that lends itself to bad guys is "Some political senator/vice president/cia guy", and frankly that black ops government poo poo gets old really fast. Dean Koontz spent a good 12 years writing the same plot, and I spent 12 years reading that poo poo before I realized "Holy poo poo what is with this rear end in a top hat and dogs? gently caress it, I quit!"

I ain't gonna lie, thinking up this poo poo for airport "low brow" fiction is hard to do sometimes. When it gets right, it's loving awesome. When it sucks, oh sweet baby jesus it's like a hoover on steroids.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

How many times did you count Sophia? She should be worth at least two.
Good point. Let's see, that makes my evil billionaire count the Frosts, Richard Yuen, Rene Corvus, Sophia (by marriage - to both of the previous two), Leonid Vaskovich, Khalid Osir (although I don't think I said if he was an actual billionaire or merely a multi-millionaire) and the Khoils. So that's nine or ten, depending how many times you count Sophia, although some are family so come in pairs, and some books feature multiple rich bastards.

In a shocking development, though, the book I'm writing at the moment includes no billionaires at all!

Stupid_Sexy_Flander's point is spot on, though. Billionaires make for good villains in goofy airport thrillers because they have the resources to do all the crazy world-domination poo poo. If Carlos Slim or Warren Buffett wants to build a giant laser to melt the Arctic ice cap (and I'm sure it's crossed their minds), they can just whip out their chequebooks.

Agentdark
Dec 30, 2007
Mom says I'm the best painter she's ever seen. Jealous much?

Somebody needs to write a book about Warren Buffet attempting to melt the ice caps with a Death Ray.

Curl_like_smoke
Oct 6, 2006


Agentdark posted:

Somebody needs to write a book about Warren Buffet attempting to melt the ice caps with a Death Ray.

"Muahahaha! Thanks to my philanthropic efforts to vaccinate and fully industrialize the Third World, global populations and green house gas levels will skyrocket, causing the icecaps to melt and sending this pitiful Earth into a thousand year ice age! Muahahaha!!!"

LooseChanj
Feb 17, 2006

Guess who's coming to dinner!


The trouble with evil billionaires is that in real life things cost money mostly because you're paying a lot of people which makes keeping things secret very difficult.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

LooseChanj posted:

The trouble with evil billionaires is that in real life things cost money mostly because you're paying a lot of people which makes keeping things secret very difficult.

Which is why they have to be billionaires! Evil millionaires don't get much further than hiring the occasional hitman or bribing the planning authority to put a bypass through your house.

Anyway, evil billionaires have all their evil work done by those legions of minions in orange jumpsuits. The agency that supplies them has a very strict confidentiality clause.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


Payndz posted:

Which is why they have to be billionaires! Evil millionaires don't get much further than hiring the occasional hitman or bribing the planning authority to put a bypass through your house.

Anyway, evil billionaires have all their evil work done by those legions of minions in orange jumpsuits. The agency that supplies them has a very strict confidentiality clause.

Please put that agency into one of your next books....

Leovinus
Apr 28, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post


I was in Waterstone's the other day and I saw a stack of copies of Hunt For Atlantis sitting next to a stack of copies of Mr. Shivers. I was forced to point out to passers by how Waterstones were arranging books by goons together for the following hour.

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004



Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Think about it, you have a guy with umpteen billion, he can buy pretty much anything and actually BUILD that super secret headquarters and have the fembots with the nipple lasers on guard duty.

You have just a regular joe, he's got a shed he built himself, and some mannequins with laser pointers or LEDs in their boobs.

"Look, I was gonna take over the world and stuff but my dick of a manager said I couldn't have this weekend off to build my Fortress of Despair and with my old lady bitching at me every twenty minutes about 'when am I gonna be elevated to Queen of Creation like you promised', I just haven't gotten around to it. Besides, my little girl has been kind of sick and she's my babydoll so I try to be there for her.

What I'm trying to say is that if you could just, you know, pretend that this sheet of plywood with the hose clamps is actually a super science table that has a big old laser over it or something, I'd sure appreciate it. Now, Mr. Bond, tell me what you know about project JIMMYDEAN or I'll unleash my killer army of coonhounds upon you!!!"

Greedish
Nov 5, 2009

what does this say
i don't even know
help


I'm an uncultured swine who loves Jack Reacher (Lee Child) and John Rain (Barry Eisler) books. They're great fun, sue me.

Vimto
Sep 11, 2001
Manchester City F.C


Payndz posted:

Which is why they have to be billionaires! Evil millionaires don't get much further than hiring the occasional hitman or bribing the planning authority to put a bypass through your house.

Anyway, evil billionaires have all their evil work done by those legions of minions in orange jumpsuits. The agency that supplies them has a very strict confidentiality clause.

Paging Dr Kayanka... do i win a prize, you should tell us about working at Hotdog(best film mag ever RIP)

Tim willocks books, although few and far between are awesome pulp hero novels.The Fletch books could do with being more widely available, they are great all be it brief.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

Vimto posted:

Paging Dr Kayanka... do i win a prize
Ha, I was wondering if anyone would notice that. One of several SA references dotted through the books.

Magnificent Quiver
May 8, 2003



Leovinus posted:

I was in Waterstone's the other day and I saw a stack of copies of Hunt For Atlantis sitting next to a stack of copies of Mr. Shivers. I was forced to point out to passers by how Waterstones were arranging books by goons together for the following hour.

You stood next to a rack of books for an hour ranting about goons? Are you posting from the mental hospital?

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMPIN' ON INTO THE POWER LINES

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Think about it, you have a guy with umpteen billion, he can buy pretty much anything and actually BUILD that super secret headquarters and have the fembots with the nipple lasers on guard duty.

Ahh, but what most fail to realize that materials costs are very low. Its hiring people that costs the money.

Building an elevator down 100yrds would cost me $33,000. A 3,500sqft bunker would cost $15,000. Labor kills all projects. The answer is to have your antagonist skilled and willing to devote the time.

qa6
Jul 26, 2006

I'll tell ya how I been!
I BIN JUNK!


So does Nelson DeMille count as airport fiction? Every time I visit my parents I end up reading another of his books to kill time.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?


M_Gargantua posted:

Ahh, but what most fail to realize that materials costs are very low. Its hiring people that costs the money.

Building an elevator down 100yrds would cost me $33,000. A 3,500sqft bunker would cost $15,000. Labor kills all projects. The answer is to have your antagonist skilled and willing to devote the time.

REAL villains go over the top (and compensate for little things) by have entire islands

A 3500 foot bunker isn't that huge. It might be enough space to maybe put a lab for growing horrible virii or maybe a doomsday machine bomb and requisite weapons lab, but hardly enough room for the bossman's secret chambers, dining rooms, various pipes and tubes, not even coming close to mentioning the barracks for having your help live on site.

Don't get me wrong, 3500 ft is awesome for a house, and awesome for a man cave, but for plotting the destruction of the world? That's barely a walk in closet.

Besides, nipple lasers are going to be at least 500-600$ a fembot, even if you get the cheapy laser pointers that can destroy your retinas. Granted, if you are building a fembot, that's not gonna be much but why skimp?

Oooooooohhh man, I bet that would make a GREAT trap for a main character though. He takes the elevator down 200 feet to the giant bunker, opens the door, and it's WIDE OPEN SPACE that is completely lit. Absolutely nothing in there at all... save a pedestal with a big shiny red button on it, and a sign saying "CAUTION, DO NOT PUSH THE BUTTON".

(naturally this button leads to bombs behind every tile and panel in the bunker that involve nasty things like "c6 explosive" and nuclear fallout and maybe even rusty nails and a used condom or two for that biological edge.)

If this shows up in a book I want royalties

withak
Jan 15, 2003

F != m * a

The trick to keeping the airport fiction market growing is to get the customer hooked at a young age.

Spotted in the actual children's section at my local bookstore:

Click here for the full 600x800 image.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


withak posted:

The trick to keeping the airport fiction market growing is to get the customer hooked at a young age.

Spotted in the actual children's section at my local bookstore:

Click here for the full 600x800 image.


Get 'em started when they're small?

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001


withak posted:

The trick to keeping the airport fiction market growing is to get the customer hooked at a young age.

Spotted in the actual children's section at my local bookstore:

Click here for the full 600x800 image.


I guess the Hardy Boys are just too ambiguously gay for today's youth.

PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009


I remember discovering a stash of John D. McDonald books in my basement.

Those things are perfect for a 2-3 hour flight. How can you not love Travis McGee?

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

withak posted:

The trick to keeping the airport fiction market growing is to get the customer hooked at a young age.

Spotted in the actual children's section at my local bookstore:

Click here for the full 600x800 image.

So is Hotsy Totsy the name of the dog, the boat, or the kids? (God, I hope it's not the kids. 10-year-old girl: "Hi, I'm Hotsy!")

withak
Jan 15, 2003

F != m * a

IIRC the synopsis made it sounds like Hotsy-Totsy was the boat, which had been transformed from a toy into a real boat by a magic box belonging to the kids.

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007



The Adventures of Hotsy Totsy sounds like bad 70s porn.

There again the children's adventure novels of the 50s and 60s were pretty awesome.

withak
Jan 15, 2003

F != m * a

From an amazon review:

quote:

After flying through the air in the Vin Fiz, Casey and Lacey Nicefolk are back for another adventure. Thanks to the help of Mr. Sucoh Sucop (hocus pocus spelled backward), the non-identical twins still have the magic box that transforms small toys or figurines into life-size objects. Although they had their hands full in their last adventure flying a replica of the Wright Brothers' Flyer, school is almost out and summer seems like just the perfect time for Casey and Lacey to have more fun!

A poster highlighting an upcoming boat race makes its way into Casey's hands, and he knows exactly what he and Lacey should do. The Gold Cup National Race is a powerboat endurance race up the Sacramento River to the state capital of California and then back down to the San Francisco Bay. Lacey is skeptical, but when Casey shows her a model replica of a famous powerboat, the Hotsy Totsy, Lacey agrees to the thrilling boat race. The Nicefolks' dog, Floopy, also thinks it's a great idea. He just loves wearing goggles and the feeling of fresh air blowing in his face.

After pushing the magic lever and wishing with all their might,Casey and Lacey magically create a life-size Hotsy Totsy and are ready to win a boat race! The twins decide the only way to enter the race is by sneaking in the night before. Their plan hits a snag, however, when they encounter the last person they ever wanted to see again: the Boss. Casey and Lacey managed to put the Boss and his henchman behind bars last time, but the Boss is out for revenge and he captures the twins and locks them in a cell on Alcatraz Island. The Boss has recently robbed a bank, and he and his henchman plan to escape with the money and leave Casey and Lacey behind.

The magical Hotsy Totsy, though, knows just what to do, and Floopy helps as the Hotsy Totsy sets out to rescue the Nicefolk twins. Casey and Lacey manage to escape thanks to Floopy and return in time to enter the boat race. The Boss may have let the twins slip through his fingers again --- but he isn't finished with them just yet!

Casey and Lacey enter the race at the last minute and soon find themselves in the midst of a high-speed adventure. The Hotsy Totsy passes one boat, then another, and eventually finds itself gaining on the leaders. The officials aren't too happy with a pair of kids and their dog participating in the race, but after the nation becomes captivated with the Nicefolk siblings, Casey and Lacey are allowed to continue. The Hotsy Totsy seems to have a mind of its own as it navigates the rough waters and builds speed to pass the other powerboats. Just when it seems like the Hotsy Totsy has a real shot at winning, the Boss shows up again; this time he's looking to get rid of Casey and Lacey --- for good!

I can't tell if this reviewer is being serious or not:

quote:

I read Cussler all the time and felt my grand daughter would love it at 12, but atlas she said it was too simple for a teen:
Still a great author for the adults.


Think I'm going to have to go back to the bookstore and read it.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

So it's basically Cussler's version of Tom Swift, with a bit of Potteresque magic thrown in? Riiight. Still, at least it's actually only got his name on it, rather than being one of the 17 or so ghost-written franchises he's got going on. (Did anyone else who read that synopsis think of MGS3 when they saw the name "The Boss"?)

Maybe I'm missing a trick, though. Kids/YA spin-off series here I come!

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

Lord Fitzmoa
President Emuitus
Dead Birds Society


Li'l Eddie and Nina and the Puppy of Cerburus?

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


withak posted:

The trick to keeping the airport fiction market growing is to get the customer hooked at a young age.

Spotted in the actual children's section at my local bookstore:

Click here for the full 600x800 image.


Do the kids have a room full of vintage Hot Wheels cars?

Seriously though, Cussler is so much worse than Reilly because he takes himself seriously. And obvious author self-insertion.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

I'm Peter Graves, and I was wondering if you could direct me to the natatorium. Thank you. I'm Peter Graves.

Mr.48 posted:

Seriously though, Cussler is so much worse than Reilly because he takes himself seriously. And obvious author self-insertion.
I've probably mentioned this before, but the first - and by strange coincidence last - Cussler novel I ever read had the heroes trapped on a lifeboat in the middle of the Pacific with no food or water, only for a yacht to appear out of nowhere and its pilot to rescue them, introducing himself as "Clive Cussler". I couldn't believe it, but later heard that not only does he put himself into almost every book, but his fans get annoyed if he's not there.

Must make plotting easier. "Okay, so Dirk and Al have been sealed up to their necks inside a concrete block and are dropped into the volcano where the atom bomb is primed to explode. How are they going to get out of that? Ah! Of course! I appear!"

Paragon8
Feb 19, 2007



Payndz posted:

I've probably mentioned this before, but the first - and by strange coincidence last - Cussler novel I ever read had the heroes trapped on a lifeboat in the middle of the Pacific with no food or water, only for a yacht to appear out of nowhere and its pilot to rescue them, introducing himself as "Clive Cussler". I couldn't believe it, but later heard that not only does he put himself into almost every book, but his fans get annoyed if he's not there.

Must make plotting easier. "Okay, so Dirk and Al have been sealed up to their necks inside a concrete block and are dropped into the volcano where the atom bomb is primed to explode. How are they going to get out of that? Ah! Of course! I appear!"

Clive Cussler definitely doesn't take his stuff seriously.

I loved his poo poo in high school, and now am hilariously entertained by the awful writing on rereads.

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Leovinus
Apr 28, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Greedish posted:

I'm an uncultured swine who loves Jack Reacher (Lee Child) and John Rain (Barry Eisler) books. They're great fun, sue me.

Anyone who doesn't like Jack Reacher is not actually a human man.

Magnificent Quiver posted:

You stood next to a rack of books for an hour ranting about goons? Are you posting from the mental hospital?

I guess maybe my post was too subtle and nuanced for an airport fiction reader, but I did not actually do the thing I said, no.

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