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Absolut_Zero
Dec 23, 2008

A serious misallocation of valuable military resources


DkHelmet posted:

For Lewistown goons, I'm eyeballing the Best Western Milroy, about 20 minutes away. I'm seeing a $77/night rate for AAA discount. Also available is the EconoLodge Mifflintown, also about $79/night and 25 minutes out. I'm not too hot on the Super8 and their burning radiators again.

Oh piss and blood I still need to register for that..I'll drop them a line today and make sure I didn't done screw myself

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Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


I'm cool with any non surprise sex hotel choice. But dinner needs a work on!

You guys are gonna drink two beers, you are gonna get soo drunk!

Steak- I'm down, we can even play pistol buy!

Totoro- bring what Pistol you want to shoot, and ammo. Everything else can be provided. We can figure out the other ammo when round counts get published

Steak Flavored Gum
Apr 26, 2007

ABANDONED HOMEWORLD FOR SALE, CHEAP!!!
Custom desert-marsh conversion in galactic core, 12% oxygen atm., great weather, friendly native life (missing one moon). Great fix-er-upper. Must sell, alien invasion imminent. $3995 or best offer.

Haha we could always do a potluck at my place.

Absolut_Zero
Dec 23, 2008

A serious misallocation of valuable military resources


Roundboy posted:

I'm cool with any non surprise sex hotel choice. But dinner needs a work on!

You guys are gonna drink two beers, you are gonna get soo drunk!

Steak- I'm down, we can even play pistol buy!

Totoro- bring what Pistol you want to shoot, and ammo. Everything else can be provided. We can figure out the other ammo when round counts get published

Out-party you, buddy.

Just talked to Bob today and I'm in for Lewistown for sure. I'm ok with crashing with Steak but there must be debauchery involved, otherwise, I mean...why bother?

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


Absolut_Zero posted:

Out-party you, buddy.

Just talked to Bob today and I'm in for Lewistown for sure. I'm ok with crashing with Steak but there must be debauchery involved, otherwise, I mean...why bother?

I'm okay with it, sodomy is still on my bucket list. But I will take a bed over a sofa or floor any day

DkHelmet
Jul 10, 2001

I pity the foal...


I'm hotelling it. I'm a terrible man when asleep and need my bed and space. A potluck... driving three hours with a pot of food is probably a no-go for me. I can't imagine it actually getting there in a non-congealed, soggy mess all over my floor mats.

Can Steak and Maze eyeball places around that might have a unhideous restaurant nearby? I swear that place is in some sort of Yelp black hole.

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

Speed kills

USPSA question because I don't reload or know poo poo about ammo: Does factory 40 ammo make Major out of a Glock 35?

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


Drav posted:

USPSA question because I don't reload or know poo poo about ammo: Does factory 40 ammo make Major out of a Glock 35?
Probably. Don't take this as gospel, but factory ammo is generally really hot. You can get much lighter loads that will still make major.

Nothing scientific, and I'd love to see where some of the bigger manufacturers fall in terms of power factor.

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010

I WANT A PONY TOO


For most 3-gun matches, I should generally be OK with one extra pistol magazine and one extra rifle magazine per stage, right? How many shotgun shells should I be looking to carry?

Also, will I be laughed off the range if I had a drop holster for my pistol and/or side saddle for the shotgun?

DkHelmet
Jul 10, 2001

I pity the foal...


IuniusBrutus posted:

For most 3-gun matches, I should generally be OK with one extra pistol magazine and one extra rifle magazine per stage, right? How many shotgun shells should I be looking to carry?

Also, will I be laughed off the range if I had a drop holster for my pistol and/or side saddle for the shotgun?

I've gone through three magazines including the loaded mag in a 3-gun stage. I'd have at least two on my belt, perhaps more. In USPSA I've done a staggering five magazines total in one stage, so I have the extra equipment available and I'm a little paranoid about running out in dense stages. Check the course design, which is almost always published beforehand. I've never known anyone to finish a stage and say "I would have done better if I didn't bring all that ammo with me."

As for the side-saddle... what kind of places are you going where they laugh at you? If it works, it works. When I was starting out I used a shotgun vest in competition just so I had a place to stuff shells into easily. Tactical, no, but classy as hell.

I will say that while everyone has a Magpul boner, I hate almost everything in their shotgun DVD. If you're fast and steady with particular equipment and movements, and it's safe and works, then go for it. It's a game, not a beauty contest.

edit: and with a 30" barrel, too.

edit edit: I don't think there's anything against an actual drop-leg holster, as long as there's positive retention. None of the matches I've been to are USPSA affiliated or otherwise and probably wouldn't care. There may be a USPSA or IMGA rule prohibiting off-belt holsters.

DkHelmet fucked around with this message at Mar 30, 2012 around 23:40

Hazborgufen
Apr 11, 2005


Lunchboxx posted:

Probably. Don't take this as gospel, but factory ammo is generally really hot. You can get much lighter loads that will still make major.

Nothing scientific, and I'd love to see where some of the bigger manufacturers fall in terms of power factor.

Interesting thread at the Brian Enos forum. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/ind...showtopic=93712

TL;DR - Not all factory ammo will make the minimum power factor, and different batches of the same ammo won't have the same power factor. That said, the Glock 35 has a longer barrel, so I would be surprised if factory ammo didn't make major. Further, unless you are at a large match there is unlikely to be a chrono station. The Area 5 match we were at last year didn't have a chrono, much to my surprise.

Drav posted:

USPSA question because I don't reload or know poo poo about ammo: Does factory 40 ammo make Major out of a Glock 35?

Atlanta Arms loads .40 in major and minor. They state that their major load makes a power factor of 170 out of their Glock 22 test gun. If you are worried, you really can't go wrong getting their stuff. I shoot their major loaded .40 and I have no doubt that it makes well over major power factor in my CZ 75 CTS.

Are you planning on shooting Limited/L10 with your Glock 35? If not, and Production is your plan, it wouldn't matter since you can only score minor in that division. In that case, I would definitely go for the AA minor load.

Hazborgufen fucked around with this message at Mar 30, 2012 around 23:52

Steak Flavored Gum
Apr 26, 2007

ABANDONED HOMEWORLD FOR SALE, CHEAP!!!
Custom desert-marsh conversion in galactic core, 12% oxygen atm., great weather, friendly native life (missing one moon). Great fix-er-upper. Must sell, alien invasion imminent. $3995 or best offer.

Roundboy posted:

I'm okay with it, sodomy is still on my bucket list. But I will take a bed over a sofa or floor any day

I've got a blow-up mattress for visitors.

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

Speed kills

Hazborgufen posted:

Atlanta Arms loads .40 in major and minor. They state that their major load makes a power factor of 170 out of their Glock 22 test gun. If you are worried, you really can't go wrong getting their stuff. I shoot their major loaded .40 and I have no doubt that it makes well over major power factor in my CZ 75 CTS.

Are you planning on shooting Limited/L10 with your Glock 35? If not, and Production is your plan, it wouldn't matter since you can only score minor in that division. In that case, I would definitely go for the AA minor load.

I'm a B-class Production shooter with the Glock 34, this would be to screw around in Limited/L10 shooting major (IF it is feasible with factory ammo and IF I don't decide to get a backup G34 instead). I'm brainstorming options to decide G34/G35 for next gun, but I need(ed) the factory 40 major question answered first before continuing.

Hazborgufen
Apr 11, 2005


Sorry, didn't realize your experience. Don't know if my opinion counts for much, but given the longer barrel of the G35, factory .40 probably has no problems making major. I wouldn't hesitate to declare major in that situation.

Out of curiosity, what generation G34/G35 are you using? I just recently bought a Gen 4 G34 to mess around with in Production, but I'm unsure what holster to get. I'm thinking the Blade-tech DOH, but I seem to recall that some holsters don't fit Gen 4 Glocks. I haven't looked into it too deeply since I'm still shooting Limited, but I guess I should figure that out.

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


Hazborgufen posted:

Interesting thread at the Brian Enos forum. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/ind...showtopic=93712

For 9mm, talking about minor and sub-minor. Keeping in mind that Major 9mm is turning into a new thing for Open guns and that it tends to absolutely annihilate the brass.

Info on factory 40 loads is sparse as well, but this one link has a ton of different ammos PF'd out for the world to see, and only one of the 40s they list is even close to being low. Assuming this is to be trusted, at least.

And another link where a guy tests 40 through different length XDs.

For the most part though, the 40 is making major pretty easily, and you almost specifically have to go looking for 40 minor.

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

Speed kills

Hazborgufen posted:

Sorry, didn't realize your experience. Don't know if my opinion counts for much, but given the longer barrel of the G35, factory .40 probably has no problems making major. I wouldn't hesitate to declare major in that situation.

Out of curiosity, what generation G34/G35 are you using? I just recently bought a Gen 4 G34 to mess around with in Production, but I'm unsure what holster to get. I'm thinking the Blade-tech DOH, but I seem to recall that some holsters don't fit Gen 4 Glocks. I haven't looked into it too deeply since I'm still shooting Limited, but I guess I should figure that out.

Well I didn't say I was a good B, I'm 12th out of 13 in the state ffs!

I've had my G34, a Gen 3, for just about 8 weeks now. As much practice as I've done with it, it feels like a lot longer though. Weird. I just did the math in my head like 4 times because I didn't believe it. Anyway, holster, I use the Safariland 5188 paddle holster. I bought it originally because it was simple, cheap ($40), and Mike Seeklander said in his book it's what he uses. It has worked great for me for over a year now so I've seen no reason to change; maybe there are better ones out there but it's been good enough with no effort on my part.

Thanks for the loads, Lunchboxx. I'm thinking I wouldn't have to worry about making major with a G35 then. Now I can try to decide between new G35 to babydoll up or backup G34 for safety. I'm inclined toward the G35 already because do you really need a backup stock Glock? The downside would be expense of all new mags, magwell, basepads, ammo, blah blah blah.

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


Putting an oder in for some chamber flags if any Lewis town people want in.

Really just rifle but they work for shotgun

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


Drav posted:

The downside would be expense of all new mags, magwell, basepads, ammo, blah blah blah.

And the upside is new gun day. And we all know that new gun day is the best day.

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


So I got to hit up the range and try out the JM 930.
"Patriotic as gently caress."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUVT5WPhyiU&hd=1

And I figured why not send some 223 downrange as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_lEHCZ7eI&hd=1
Two things I noticed here.
1) you can hear the trigger reset. Cool.
2) they weren't kidding when they say you won't believe that you're blinking when the gun goes off until you see it. Goddamn.

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

Speed kills

So I spent the last hour and a half doing Saul Kirsch entry/exit movement drills in the backyard. Pretty loving good workout -- y'know, practice was fun until this poo poo.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Lunchboxx posted:

So I got to hit up the range and try out the JM 930.
"Patriotic as gently caress."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUVT5WPhyiU&hd=1

And I figured why not send some 223 downrange as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l_lEHCZ7eI&hd=1
Two things I noticed here.
1) you can hear the trigger reset. Cool.
2) they weren't kidding when they say you won't believe that you're blinking when the gun goes off until you see it. Goddamn.

I am so interested in this shotgun it hurts. Please report everything over the season because I want to get in on one of these soooo bad.

DkHelmet
Jul 10, 2001

I pity the foal...


Lunchboxx posted:

So I got to hit up the range and try out the JM 930.
"Patriotic as gently caress."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUVT5WPhyiU&hd=1


It's terrible that the first thing I thought of was "that's some serious Gordon Freeman glasses up there."

I too want more details on this shotgun.

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


Naramyth posted:

I am so interested in this shotgun it hurts. Please report everything over the season because I want to get in on one of these soooo bad.

If there's a Yooper Shoot that I'm at this year, guaranteed it will be there with me for all to fondle.


DkHelmet posted:

It's terrible that the first thing I thought of was "that's some serious Gordon Freeman glasses up there."

I too want more details on this shotgun.

Live action, first person Half-Life! I'll get right on this.

Aside from stripping it down and getting to know it a little better, there's a 3-gun match or two later this month, so there will be actual use as well as my reports on how everything ran. I'll be putting everything I can out in the open, rest assured.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Lunchboxx posted:

If there's a Yooper Shoot that I'm at this year, guaranteed it will be there with me for all to fondle.


Live action, first person Half-Life! I'll get right on this.

Aside from stripping it down and getting to know it a little better, there's a 3-gun match or two later this month, so there will be actual use as well as my reports on how everything ran. I'll be putting everything I can out in the open, rest assured.

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


Whoo boy, long day. Another USPSA all-classifier match. Out of six classifiers, I bombed two, had two meh, and two pretty good. Luckily, only the two good ones will count towards my classification. What sucks is that they were both at 74.9XX%. If the classification routine were to be run right now, I think I would be at about 72%. I didn't think I would be that close to A so soon.

Time to chop up some video. Seriously considering music suggestions.

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

Speed kills

Lunchboxx posted:

Whoo boy, long day. Another USPSA all-classifier match. Out of six classifiers, I bombed two, had two meh, and two pretty good. Luckily, only the two good ones will count towards my classification. What sucks is that they were both at 74.9XX%. If the classification routine were to be run right now, I think I would be at about 72%. I didn't think I would be that close to A so soon.

Time to chop up some video. Seriously considering music suggestions.

I would love another all-classifier match. Only one I've ever done was my very first match. You've got A in the bag.

Dubstep. Totally.

Gray Stormy
Dec 19, 2006



Im always super bummed when Im reminded that there arent any places nearby where I can run classifiers

BonerJams 03
Sep 11, 2001
It’s a mixtape of all my favorite boner scenes in the summer of 2003

Lunchboxx posted:

Seriously considering music suggestions.

Can you just play the sound of someone crying to simulate me sitting at home instead of not joining you guys yesterday? About 10am my wife comes downstairs and was like "George is totally fine, you should have gone this morning.."

Suddenly, domestic violence becomes a thing. (not really)

Hazborgufen
Apr 11, 2005


Good to hear that your kid is doing well. You'll just have to make up for it next weekend. Schultz will be on Saturday and Oak Park on Sunday. I won't be able to make Oak Park, so you'll have to enjoy your barbeque without me.

Anyway, I'm now super close to my B class in Limited. I shot a 77.88% on one of the stages which should bring me to 64.94% overall. The fury I felt at being .06% away was indescribable. But, if my math is correct, as long as I get a little over 47% on my next classifier I'll get the bump up.

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

Speed kills

B starts at 60%...

Hazborgufen
Apr 11, 2005


I'm a dummy. I'm at 59.94%.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


I'm really banking in IR35 to come in and answer this since I know he has shot a lot of wheelgun in IDPA.

I want to get a gun that will work for SSR and ESR. Preferably by keeping my calibers I need to stock to a minimum. I also do not reload so factory ammo will need to make the power floors. Finally I'd like to also get into shooting CDP so I am going to have to stock .45ACP no matter what unless the rules change.

Would a .45ACP revolver work at all in SSR? Are there .45ACP speed loaders since you can't use moon clips in SSR? Would I be better off just getting a .357 gun and shoot .38 for SSR and .357 for ESR? Should I say gently caress this wheelgun nonsense and just pick up a 1911 to gently caress around with?

I wish my speed six solved all my problems.

Steak Flavored Gum
Apr 26, 2007

ABANDONED HOMEWORLD FOR SALE, CHEAP!!!
Custom desert-marsh conversion in galactic core, 12% oxygen atm., great weather, friendly native life (missing one moon). Great fix-er-upper. Must sell, alien invasion imminent. $3995 or best offer.

FULL moon clips are not allowed in SSR... but you could get by if you used half-moons, at least as I read it last time I went through the book. In fact, if that's the case, you could use your speed six in SSR. Let me check...

edit: Aw balls... the issue is that in SSR you can use half-moons, but the ammo still has to be rimmed?

"A. Any revolver of .38 Caliber (.357” or larger) or larger that utilizes ammunition with a rimmed case and is not reloaded with a full moon clip."

You might be able to ping the establishment about using half-moons with 9mm, as I didn't even think you COULD use rimmed ammunition with moon clips. Then again, ESR regs specifically mention rimmed or rimless ammo.

If it fits under the weight limit, you could probably run a Model 25 with .45 Auto Rim in SSR. According to the S&W website, it should just barely eek under the limit, at 40-42 oz.

Steak Flavored Gum fucked around with this message at Apr 2, 2012 around 19:49

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Steak Flavored Gum posted:

FULL moon clips are not allowed in SSR... but you could get by if you used half moons, at least as I read it last time I went through the book. In fact, if that's the case, you could use your speed six in SSR. Let me check...

SSR requires rimmed ammo that's .357" or larger.

Steak Flavored Gum
Apr 26, 2007

ABANDONED HOMEWORLD FOR SALE, CHEAP!!!
Custom desert-marsh conversion in galactic core, 12% oxygen atm., great weather, friendly native life (missing one moon). Great fix-er-upper. Must sell, alien invasion imminent. $3995 or best offer.

Well clearly the answer is to cut down and fireform .38 Super cases. Be the first on your block to own a gun in 9x19R!

It has a rim! Sort of!

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.

Just run your 45 in ESR. You don't need to shoot both divisions.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

I have the 50th and Final Pony Av!

If you're concerned about which division you're in, then I'm going to assume that you plan on trying to be competitive, instead of just going out and shooting for fun, with the competition being secondary. If that's the case, than any gun that meets requirements for both divisions is going to put you at a disadvantage in ESR. There's a reason why most ESR people shoot 625's.

If you're just shooting for fun don't worry about what division you're in and shoot the gun you want to shoot.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Craptacular posted:

If you're concerned about which division you're in, then I'm going to assume that you plan on trying to be competitive, instead of just going out and shooting for fun, with the competition being secondary. If that's the case, than any gun that meets requirements for both divisions is going to put you at a disadvantage in ESR. There's a reason why most ESR people shoot 625's.

If you're just shooting for fun don't worry about what division you're in and shoot the gun you want to shoot.

I was just hoping for the Glock 34 of revolvers to be out there. I'll just have to pick up something for SSR or a 625 and

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.

Naramyth posted:

I was just hoping for the Glock 34 of revolvers to be out there. I'll just have to pick up something for SSR or a 625 and

I'm still not getting why you want to shoot both divisions. You're already planning on shooting CDP as well so unless you're going to be chasing a 5 Gun Master title you can probably do without shooting SSR.

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Steak Flavored Gum
Apr 26, 2007

ABANDONED HOMEWORLD FOR SALE, CHEAP!!!
Custom desert-marsh conversion in galactic core, 12% oxygen atm., great weather, friendly native life (missing one moon). Great fix-er-upper. Must sell, alien invasion imminent. $3995 or best offer.

I've considered running some of the local matches with my Model 29, just for fun. It's too long and way too heavy to be legal but none of my buddies care. I just can't classify with it.

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