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DarkLotus posted:You could start with talking to those of us in the business. Thank you. I assume I can just write it here? I'm creating a database-as-a-service infrastructure, so providers can sell managed MongoDB, MySQL, Redis, etc to their customers. My job is to deploy clustered database and then maintain, backup, monitor, make everything fault-tolerant and auto-scaled. If the database breaks, I'm the one to fix it. Since my cost to run a 1GB RAM server is the same as running a 128GB server, I'd charge a flat fee per server. The fee would be low enough to make this super attractive to hosting providers. The hosting provider would be responsible for 1) servers, network, etc; 2) customer acquisition; 3) customer support. Since these are things that hosting providers are already very good at, I see this a win-win for everyone. Customers get managed services from providers they like; providers get new revenue with little extra operational overhead and; I get my fair share too! Providers can either get new customers, or upsell their existing ones. I see a bunch of managed MongoDB companies popping up, including one acquired by IBM (compose.io), so there's gotta be a market for this, right?
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nictuku posted:I'm creating a database-as-a-service infrastructure, so providers can sell managed MongoDB, MySQL, Redis, etc to their customers. quote:My job is to deploy clustered database and then maintain, backup, monitor, make everything fault-tolerant and auto-scaled. If the database breaks, I'm the one to fix it. Since my cost to run a 1GB RAM server is the same as running a 128GB server, I'd charge a flat fee per server. The fee would be low enough to make this super attractive to hosting providers. quote:The hosting provider would be responsible for 1) servers, network, etc; 2) customer acquisition; 3) customer support. quote:Since these are things that hosting providers are already very good at, I see this a win-win for everyone. Customers get managed services from providers they like; providers get new revenue with little extra operational overhead and; I get my fair share too! Providers can either get new customers, or upsell their existing ones. quote:I see a bunch of managed MongoDB companies popping up, including one acquired by IBM (compose.io), so there's gotta be a market for this, right? I could see this being a complementary service to something like ServerPilot, which I hold my own reservations as to the actual efficacy of, to wannabe sysadmins who purchase VPSes that have no earthly clue as to what they are doing. Throw in a simple monitoring dashboard that works with all of the NoSQL/RDBMS' out there, attach a $0 price tag, and charge on support (charge hand over fist might I add!) and you have a product that could be received very warmly for IaaS providers like Linode, DO, and Vultr. Edit: For premium version add: easy clustering and replication. For free version: background optimization like what ktune/tuned does, e.g. mysqltuner.pl Database loads adjust over time. Having something constantly working in the background, monitoring, making inferences, and then tuning to squeeze maximum performance out would be a killer feature. If you were to make an easy sell, that's the feature that would arouse my interest. nem fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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Thank you for taking the time to answer. I was afraid nobody would.nem posted:You're competing with PaaS providers now in a highly specialized segment. While not entirely bad, what's your value proposition over other providers who do web servers, apps monitoring, etc as well? (Heroku comes to mind) PaaS locks people up into their semi-prioprietary APIs. People that need large databases don't like that. We (me+hosting provider) would offer managed open-source databases, but with very high reliability. quote:So you deploy a database, optimize on generic metrics, and peace out? What happens when a database croaks? If you install it, you're doubly responsible to ensure it's running even after an abrupt system crash. MySQL is particularly quarrelsome on crashes before MariaDB 10 offlining tables until they are manually checked... We deploy a clustering solution and we manage it in a centralized way and watch for problems, proactively. They are called MicroClusters: logical grouping of servers that offer one service (e.g: MySQL), but that have their own miniaturized management, monitoring and self-healing capabilities. We won't deploy and forget. We give an SLA for the solution. We monitor the performance of the clusters all the time using standardized probes. If the performance is off for some reason, it's our job to fix it. Hardware problems? We would diagnose that and contact the hosting partner - or follow whatever procedure we agree, e.g: open a ticket to replace a faulty disk. Any glitch or crash is also our responsibility. Whenever a customer bumps into a problem that we didn't detect before, we would fix the problem, provide them a postmortem and fix our automation to make sure it doesn't happen again. Is this closer to what you had in mind? quote:Edit: I'm thinking all versions will have clustering capability. I get paid only when folks add more servers. But they can start with one (if they are OK with a high MTTR to restore from backups). If they add more they just have to pay the flat fee for that. No artificial "clustering" tax. Is that reasonable? quote:For free version: background optimization like what ktune/tuned does, e.g. mysqltuner.pl Absolutely. The management agent has the ability to detect slow queries. What i'm planning to do in V1 is to send user detailed reports about their slowest queries. In v2, I'd love to do what you said. quote:Maybe. I'd see it being very niche. Most providers that have the capability to deploy enormous databases usually have a dedicated DBA team on site to fix whatever pops up. What I'm trying to make happen is to give smaller providers the chance of doing that, without a dedicated DBA, because we'll do the DBA work for them. Let's assume this works as planned - would SMB providers likely find a market for this with their customers? EDIT: Would Linode, DO, etc be interested in something like I properly described now? (besides the one you described). EDIT2: I think I get what you mean. That would make IaaS folks happy because the wannabes would probably host that thing on their infrastructure... nictuku fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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nictuku posted:Thank you for taking the time to answer. I was afraid nobody would. You're targeting a market that doesn't exist. Smaller hosts that can't run their own databases won't have customers that need those features. Bigger hosts can do it without you. Your best bet is to start doing it and offer it to end users while at the same time spend a lot of time trying to sell it to larger hosts with customers who could use this kind of thing. If you make a product that has a lot of end users support you're likely to get on the radar of the medium size hosts that would want something like this.
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nictuku posted:We deploy a clustering solution and we manage it in a centralized way and watch for problems, proactively. They are called MicroClusters: logical grouping of servers that offer one service (e.g: MySQL), but that have their own miniaturized management, monitoring and self-healing capabilities. quote:We won't deploy and forget. We give an SLA for the solution. We monitor the performance of the clusters all the time using standardized probes. If the performance is off for some reason, it's our job to fix it. Hardware problems? We would diagnose that and contact the hosting partner - or follow whatever procedure we agree, e.g: open a ticket to replace a faulty disk. Any glitch or crash is also our responsibility. Whenever a customer bumps into a problem that we didn't detect before, we would fix the problem, provide them a postmortem and fix our automation to make sure it doesn't happen again. Caveat: peaking into VPS hardware logs is impossible. I'd be careful that you do not overpromise on SLA and leave that for bare metal clients. Keep the probes and generate emails/push alerts/SNMP traps. Something like Pushover or Boxcar is great for that. I tie it into my Monit configuration to get alerts on-the-go. quote:I'm thinking all versions will have clustering capability. I get paid only when folks add more servers. But they can start with one (if they are OK with a high MTTR to restore from backups). If they add more they just have to pay the flat fee for that. No artificial "clustering" tax. Is that reasonable? quote:Absolutely. The management agent has the ability to detect slow queries. What i'm planning to do in V1 is to send user detailed reports about their slowest queries. In v2, I'd love to do what you said. Add triggers, like load average or query/sec watermarks. Make the app intelligent and, more importantly, give the end user some sense of empowerment by running it. As if the end user had a DBA he could fire the DBA as your software "provides" the necessary "functionality of a DBA". I use these terms loosely, but my point is to ensure the app gives that impression. quote:What I'm trying to make happen is to give smaller providers the chance of doing that, without a dedicated DBA, because we'll do the DBA work for them. Let's assume this works as planned - would SMB providers likely find a market for this with their customers? What ElCondemn said \/ \/. That is your business plan. ElCondemn posted:If you make a product that has a lot of end users support you're likely to get on the radar of the medium size hosts that would want something like this. Ding ding ding!
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Wow, this discussion really got going since last night. I do agree with nem and ElCondemn, they've both made some very good and valid points. I think you have a good idea but I agree it will be hard to market to smaller hosts and larger hosts. You really should focus on the users, developers that could benefit from your services, the ones that roll their own servers and manage everything themselves. Eventually they decide that day to day management could be better handled by someone else. If you get enough support from those types of users, word will spread through the community and you will get noticed by the medium sized hosts that could benefit from your services. I personally wouldn't see Lithium Hosting utilizing your services. Just based on the current needs of my customers, there are only a few that even even asked for MongoDB or Redis support, and none have ever asked for clustered MySQL. It's definitely a niche market but that doesn't mean it can't be lucrative. If you market your product correctly and find some vendors / companies to partner with, you'll do great!
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Rufus Ping posted:you should probably lay off the snark given you seem to be chasing after features from 2003 Not sure if you're being serious about the snark remark, but my snark is 100% directed towards InMotion hosting. OBVIOUSLY FTP and Webmail should be features included with all hosting and without any issues at all in 2016. That's my point. They have put 5 reps on the issues I have and still haven't solved them. I'm sure any Goon-run hosting service could have these 2 simple things running without issue immediately. Again, that's my point. I'm certainly not very knowledgable about hosting services/features, and that's why I'm here!  To address your bullets: - Nope, different website, but still a WordPress. - I'll look into that; I've never heard of it. - I'm not. I run no shops, but I do see that (likely due to the last WordPress auto-update), the "cart" icon got turned on on my header. nem posted:Any particular reason you want to gravitate towards a big-box host that reduces your account to ink on a 10-K filing? Those are all very reasonable requests that either DarkLotus (Lithium) or myself pride ourselves on providing for clients. To be honest, I've only really ever used big-box hosts. The only reason I even discovered that there were Goons running hosting services was when I popped into this thread to complain about InMotion hosting and to ask for recommendations on other hosts. I saw the OP, then included those in my recommendation request/info-about question, etc. UGAmazing fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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UGAmazing posted:OBVIOUSLY FTP and Webmail should be features included with all hosting and without any issues at all in 2016 they certainly should not. FTP is an insecure relic of the 90s that has long been superseded by SFTP. Similarly having your web host run your email infrastructure hasn't been relevant since 2006, when Google launched Google Apps. Things have come a long way since the days of cPanel and proftpd and SquirrelMail - thank god. UGAmazing posted:- Nope, different website, but still a WordPress. Good to see you've resolved the shopping cart problem on your other site. You're still collecting personal information though, so still need to deploy SSL. I stand by my advice about getting off GoDaddy and looking at WPEngine
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Rufus Ping posted:they certainly should not. FTP is an insecure relic of the 90s that has long been superseded by SFTP. Similarly having your web host run your email infrastructure hasn't been relevant since 2006, when Google launched Google Apps. Thanks! Yeah, shows how much I know about hosting; my only issues (as a hosting layperson) with InMotion was that I literally could not connect to the server using the information they say "should" work. It would time out every single time. I think most hosting-uneducated people who have websites--and aren't really the most savvy at all the technical aspects of hosting--didn't realize there was an alternative to FTP (is SFTP simply "secure" FTP? If so, that's what I use, I just call it FTP; it's the encrypted file transfer in FileZilla...if that's totally incorrect, my apologies). As for webmail--I'll look into the Google Apps you mentioned. Again, never heard of them, so thank you! I did have an SSL certificate through my host that I thought was for 3 years (starting March 2015), so that's a little disappointing. I'll look into what's up with that. edit: Yes, I actually did have an SSL but had to renew it each year. I've just renewed it, and it's pending, but should be sent/done soon--thank you for the heads up! UGAmazing fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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Rufus Ping posted:they certainly should not. FTP is an insecure relic of the 90s that has long been superseded by SFTP. Similarly having your web host run your email infrastructure hasn't been relevant since 2006, when Google launched Google Apps. UGAmazing posted:To be honest, I've only really ever used big-box hosts. The only reason I even discovered that there were Goons running hosting services was when I popped into this thread to complain about InMotion hosting and to ask for recommendations on other hosts. I saw the OP, then included those in my recommendation request/info-about question, etc. The only big box host that I can think of run by and therefore directly influenced by was Tim Dorr with A Small Orange. He started out here... maybe in 2006? SA-Mart was oversaturated, so he took his advertising over to Neowin and the rest is history. He sold it back in 2010, I believe, to HostGator and now a mentor over at ATDC, an incubator in Atlanta. That's really the only big box provider founded by a goon. Mr Bean was a CXO at HostGator, but far from having a direct hand in operations.
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what's the name of that big company that owns a bunch of shared hosting providers and everyone says is really bad? vvvvv thanks fuf fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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fuf posted:what's the name of that big company that owns a bunch of shared hosting providers and everyone says is really bad? EIG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_International_Group
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Haven't posted here in a long time and thought this would be the perfect time to. I have used roughly 12 different dedicated server companies through my life such as Layered Technologies, Sago Networks, Softlayer, Limestone Networks, Leaseweb, Singlehop, WebNX, 100tb.com, GIGEnet, and Quadranet. Some were good, while some were amazing. Some have extra features that help make them a better provider in my opinion. Such features might includes DNS Hosting, Automated OS Reloads, DDOS Protection, and even something as small as being able to remote reboot. Out of all of the providers I mentioned, I always kept coming back to Quadranet. I would of course love to use Softlayer, but their prices have seemed too expensive for me for a long time. Quadranet has consistently been my go to provider for dedicated servers for many reasons. For instance, their network is excellent, quality support technicians, consistently have great deals/promos, and very reasonable pricing. For instance, one of their lower end spec dedicated server deals: Intel Xeon X3220 Quad Core - 2.4Ghz, 8M Cache, 1066FSB * 8GB RAM 500GB SATA 7,200RPM HDD Dual Gigabit NICs 1U Supermicro Server - 2x HDD Bays KVM over IP, Remote Power Control, and more 10TB Monthly Public Transfer Unlimited Monthly Private Transfer 100 Mbps Public/Private Network Uplinks /29 IPv4 Allocation - 5 Usable IPs /64 IPv6 Allocation - Millions of IPs Private VLAN Remote Reboot Available in: Los Angeles INCLUDES: Noction Intelligent Routing Platform Enabled Network INCLUDES: 3Gbps Detect & Mitigate QuadraNet VEST DDoS Protection $39 per month, $0 setup For +$5/mth, you can upgrade to 1TB drive Also if you ask nicely, they may upgrade your network port to 1000mbit for an extra $5/mth http://banners.quadranet.com/lowendbox-xeon/order.php?width=500&height=700&package=1 Also here is the link to this specific deal on webhostingtalk.com: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1594399 I hope I don't get in trouble for posting this, but it is such a good deal I don't want people to miss out on. I am in no way affiliated with or work at Quadranet. If needed, I can provide a test IP, or speed test file
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None of you goon-run hosts have UK locations right? Any recommendations for good UK VPS / dedicated providers beyond the obvious DO, Linode etc.?
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bigv.io (cheaper) / bytemark.co.uk (premium, same company) has never let me down
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Looking for web hosting that 1) is located in the EU (and probably not UK) 2) offers shell access to run deployment scripts (but not necessarily background jobs) 3) has PHP and SQL and is otherwise bog standard. I definitely do not want to manage a VPS.
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nielsm posted:2) offers shell access to run deployment scripts (but not necessarily background jobs) Check out phpshell if all you need is a way of running non-interactive scripts on a host as your web user. Of course lots of hosts hate people running it rather than locking down the machine properly.
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nielsm posted:Looking for web hosting that https://www.webfaction.com/ Softlayer Netherlands SSH + peristent processes + reverse proxy to any service you run by default
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Biowarfare posted:https://www.webfaction.com/ That looks very good, thanks.
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I host a couple of websites for people who still control their own domain, so every time I move their site somewhere I have to give them an IP address and ask them to update their DNS A records. It's a hassle. Is there a solution I can get myself a more permanent IP (which I can give out to people), but still have the flexibility of moving sites around the whole time? Like if I had one server with a permanent IP that forwarded requests on to other servers? What's that called? A routing server / proxy server? I'm out of my depth... It would be cool if A records had more flexibility, so I could do them like CNAME records and say "hey if you want the A record for this domain go and check this other domain".
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Try cloud flare. They'll have something that might make your life easier.
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jaegerx posted:Try cloud flare. They'll have something that might make your life easier. Thanks. Hmmm looks like cloudflare requires you to use their nameservers rather than just an IP unfortunately. If it was a nameserver issue I'd be ok because I could just get people to use my vanity nameservers, but it's specifically a few people who want to keep control of their DNS (for email stuff) so I have to give them just an IP for their A record. Bonus question: what's the difference between OVZ and KVM when advertised on VPS sites like this? https://loveservers.com/
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One works as a usable VPS (KVM) One is useless complete shite (OpenVZ)
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"OpenVZ: hope your stack doesn't have Docker in it!"
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fuf posted:Thanks. Hmmm looks like cloudflare requires you to use their nameservers rather than just an IP unfortunately. I believe that cloudflare has different packages, and only certain features require using their nameservers.
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Salt Fish posted:I believe that cloudflare has different packages, and only certain features require using their nameservers. That is correct. You can either pass the entire domain through CF by using their nameservers or individually pass hostnames through CF by changing the IP address, which retains your nameserver settings.
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Vulture Culture posted:"OpenVZ: hope your stack doesn't have Docker in it!" OpenVZ: hope your stack doesn't need the ability to touch anything involving the network, VPNs, docker, FUSE, internal networking, memory mapped anything, ... or anything other than plain wordpress OpenVZ: use kvm https://download.openvz.org/virtuozzo/releases/7.0/ posted:This OpenVZ 7.0 release provides the following major improvements:
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Salt Fish posted:I believe that cloudflare has different packages, and only certain features require using their nameservers. nem posted:That is correct. You can either pass the entire domain through CF by using their nameservers or individually pass hostnames through CF by changing the IP address, which retains your nameserver settings. I think I'm missing something. I've signed up and played around and looked through all the documentation and I can't find any references to using CF without also using their nameservers (except for people saying you can't do it).
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fuf posted:I think I'm missing something. I've signed up and played around and looked through all the documentation and I can't find any references to using CF without also using their nameservers (except for people saying you can't do it). you have to use their ns's unless you're enterprise
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Biowarfare posted:you have to use their ns's unless you're enterprise Ah, or go through a certified hosting partner.
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I'm looking for a web host for two domains, both small and low traffic. The first domain has a single WordPress installation. The second will have a WordPress installation and a Django installation. My current hosting doesn't work with Django so I'm looking to switch. I'm currently paying about $15 a month for all of this and I'd like to keep it about the same.
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huhu posted:I'm looking for a web host for two domains, both small and low traffic. The first domain has a single WordPress installation. The second will have a WordPress installation and a Django installation. My current hosting doesn't work with Django so I'm looking to switch. I'm currently paying about $15 a month for all of this and I'd like to keep it about the same. I would highly recommend Lithium Hosting. I mean, I'm sure you've seen DarkLotus posting all over this thread, but I'd just like to chime in and say LI's been perfect for my hosting needs. Very responsive to tickets and support (especially considering that I am a huge idiot ), and very affordable as well.Can I ask a domain question in here, or is there a better thread for that? Here goes, just in case: How do domain auctions work? I found a domain that would be worth at least $1000 to a new client, and the auction is in less than 3 days. He wants to place a bid, but I want him to do it through the proper channels. I'd hate to have him make a bid somewhere shady only to lose his money. Also, what is the best way to value a domain? Since it's an auction I assume we won't really have any way of knowing how high of a bid he needs to make to get the domain, but if we had an idea of a ballpark it would be a big help. So, in summary: Domain Auctions: How Do They Work?
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timp posted:I would highly recommend Lithium Hosting. I mean, I'm sure you've seen DarkLotus posting all over this thread, but I'd just like to chime in and say LI's been perfect for my hosting needs. Very responsive to tickets and support (especially considering that I am a huge idiot Thanks for the plug. huhu posted:I'm looking for a web host for two domains, both small and low traffic. The first domain has a single WordPress installation. The second will have a WordPress installation and a Django installation. My current hosting doesn't work with Django so I'm looking to switch. I'm currently paying about $15 a month for all of this and I'd like to keep it about the same.
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no offense toward lithium (have used them before for a php blog and it was good) but cPanel + anything but php (this includes ruby, python, etc) is literal hell, especially if cloudlinux/jail/weird chrooting of home directories is in place, and dealing with dependencies is really really wtf.
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Biowarfare posted:no offense toward lithium (have used them before for a php blog and it was good) but cPanel + anything but php (this includes ruby, python, etc) is literal hell, especially if cloudlinux/jail/weird chrooting of home directories is in place, and dealing with dependencies is really really wtf. That's why I said it works, but...
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DarkLotus posted:That's why I said it works, but...  Wish I'd seen Biowarfare's post before getting started.
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huhu posted:
He didn't say it doesn't work, just that it's a bit complicated. We do have plenty of Python and Ruby apps running and they work well.
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