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calcio posted:It's not too late, I have all my old servers data backed up on another machine. I'm assuming the beta will be upgradeable to RTM. How will they handle upgrades from WHS1.0 to Vail especially trying to convert from DE to non DE. There will be no way to upgrade since WHSv1 is 32 bit, and Vail is 64-bit only. I cleaned up the OP a bit, if people want anything in it let me know I have PM. kri kri fucked around with this message at Dec 6, 2010 around 21:41 |
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Mr. Clark2 posted:Anybody have a mirror(s) for the vail beta? Downloading 4gb at 33k from the official link aint gonna cut it.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 00:32 |
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Mr. Clark2 posted:Somebodys got to have this. I'm not aware of any mirrors for it. Try a different download region, maybe?
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 00:59 |
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I'm certainly living up to the thread title; after I put together a backup/sync NAS, my mother decided she wants something similar (in purpose), so I'm building her a WHS box for Christmas. Now, here's the thing: she is not good at computers. She is moderately competent with Office and web browsing, but despite teaching me about them long, long ago, she's still fuzzy on the concept of a "folder" 20 years later. Her reaction to antivirus is to call me when she gets a pop-up ad, but cancel and close out Symantec or MSSE when it intercepts an exploit in progress. I got her an iPhone in 2009, and she's still not entirely clear on what an app is or does. So how do I help her use WHS effectively? I'd rather not resort to scripting and scheduled tasks so she doesn't have to interact with it.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 01:19 |
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^^ You don't. Just set up the backup and maybe show her how to get to the server shares, thats it. A WHS will run itself, my parents has been going strong since WHS came out, and they never have to touch it.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 02:25 |
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I wish I could schedule demigrator.exe to start at a time that's not loving random and generally during streaming 1080p movies, because it's really starting to piss me off. I basically have to disable the service sometimes.
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neolithic posted:I wish I could schedule demigrator.exe to start at a time that's not loving random and generally during streaming 1080p movies, because it's really starting to piss me off. You could schedule a script to stop and start the service. Maybe have it running while you're off away from home during the day or whatever, then back off when you're most likely to be using it. At this point, I need to try messing around with that thing to see if it helps my performance at all. My install is to the point where I can't really stream any video to either my laptop or XBMC. What kind of drives do you have?
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 14:09 |
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qutius posted:You could schedule a script to stop and start the service. Maybe have it running while you're off away from home during the day or whatever, then back off when you're most likely to be using it. 2 x WD EADS 1 x WD EACS Some Samsung Drive (750gb) and an old 320gb WD drive (system drive from late 2007  )2 of the drives are on a PCI SATA card with 2 slots and another on an IDE -> SATA. It runs quite well despite such a hacked up setup! Then again, Windows Home Server has seen itself as W2K3 only for quite some time now (meaning WHS specific stuff won't install anymore). So yeah, mostly 5400 rpm but honestly, given that it's basically just a file server that shouldn't be an issue. The fact is, the WHS install on that drive is just loving creeping along slowly marching towards death and I really should sort it out. I just can't be hosed with all the effort. If Vail removes the drive extender, which is essentially all I use WHS server for (Duplication makes backups so effortless!) then I guess I'll be looking towards another solution. Could a RAID setup accomplish the same redundant backup system WHS provides? I do have a spare 750gb that I could do a repair install with... Though last time I read there were some oddities with it not picking up drives on a PCI Sata expansion?
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 14:24 |
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You are blaming WHS when those drat WD drives are to blame. Its not so much that they are 5400RPM... its that they are SLOW AS loving poo poo. I have a Samsung 1.5 5400RPM in my server and no problems. I was having problems like you describe and after getting rid of those green power drives, everything works great.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 16:09 |
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redeyes posted:You are blaming WHS when those drat WD drives are to blame. Its not so much that they are 5400RPM... its that they are SLOW AS loving poo poo. I have a Samsung 1.5 5400RPM in my server and no problems. I was having problems like you describe and after getting rid of those green power drives, everything works great. That's basically what I've been reading too. I may move to a Samsung drive or two...then retire one or both of these WD green drives to external enclosures and use them for backups. What a pain in the rear end.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 16:16 |
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Sigh... Literally 4/5 are WD. It's going to take time to migrate away because I'll be hosed if I'm buying another 4TB of HDDs.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 16:34 |
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neolithic posted:Sigh... Literally 4/5 are WD. It's going to take time to migrate away because I'll be hosed if I'm buying another 4TB of HDDs. Here's so more info: http://tinyurl.com/2fvmphr (from the we got served forum)
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 16:41 |
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Fyi, I stream 1080p off of a bunch of WD EADS drives all the time and copy to/from them at 60-100MB/s.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 16:49 |
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The problem with the green power drives isn't sequential reads, its overlapped i/o. They are something crazy bad like half the performance of any normal 7200RPM drive. To put it in perspective I had serious streaming problems with all (4) green power drives. This was 6 or so months ago. It got so bad I ripped my WHS apart, sold off all the GP drives and put in Samsung f3 1GB drives. It was drastic no doubt but right now I get between 50-100MB/s streaming to and from my WHS at any time of the day. Hell even chkdsk at midnight wont interrupt my HD videos. There was another issue that I never really got to the bottom of. I traced it down to one particular revision of the 1.5TB GP drives that I had. That drive would go down to 1-5MB/s for no apparent reason. I actually pulled the drive out of the WHS and tested it in my Windows 7 computer. After an hour or so I found the same performance problems but it was not at all obvious right away. I did RMA that disk and the replacement didn't show those problems. Needless to say, I say far the hell away from GP drives for my WHS. My WHS specs for anyone that cares are: Intel 965 based microatx mobo with 6 SATA ports. Core 2 Duo e4500 (2.2ghz) 2GB Corsair RAM Marvel Yukon PCI-E Network card 5xSamsung F3 1GB drives 1xSamsung 1.5TB Green power type drive works perfect redeyes fucked around with this message at Dec 7, 2010 around 17:45 |
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redeyes posted:
To be honest, the Samsung drives are my favorite drives at the moment. I've got a bunch of F2's, F3's, and I just added a 2TB F4. They're great drives, and don't seem to have any of the niggling issues that people have with the WD Greens. On top of that the Samsungs aren't any more expensive.
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Thermopyle posted:To be honest, the Samsung drives are my favorite drives at the moment. I've got a bunch of F2's, F3's, and I just added a 2TB F4. They're great drives, and don't seem to have any of the niggling issues that people have with the WD Greens. On top of that the Samsungs aren't any more expensive. Im in the same boat. I love the samsung drives and even more so the hitachi drives. I run 15 hitachi 2TB drives and 5 2TB samsung drives and havent had a single issue with them for the past year, they just work. Even if they are $10 or so more per drive, the investment spread out over a couple years is very minimal to get good performing 7200rpm drives.
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Thermopyle posted:To be honest, the Samsung drives are my favorite drives at the moment. I've got a bunch of F2's, F3's, and I just added a 2TB F4. They're great drives, and don't seem to have any of the niggling issues that people have with the WD Greens. On top of that the Samsungs aren't any more expensive. The only 'issue' I have with the Samsungs is they act a bit different when they are failing or have bad sectors (vs WD drives). What I found is that when they detect a bad sector they tell the Intel Rapid Storage Manager to kick the disk offline. It scared the poo poo out of me when I first saw it happen. WD drives tend to just slow way down and pause. I'm sure none of that really matters though. They are fast and quiet drives that can handle decent loads. quote:I run 15 hitachi 2TB drives
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 18:00 |
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TDD_Shizzy posted:Im in the same boat. I love the samsung drives and even more so the hitachi drives. I run 15 hitachi 2TB drives and 5 2TB samsung drives and havent had a single issue with them for the past year, they just work. Even if they are $10 or so more per drive, the investment spread out over a couple years is very minimal to get good performing 7200rpm drives. Jesus christ, what case are you using for all this?
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kri kri posted:Jesus christ, what case are you using for all this? I have a new norco to move everything into next break/vacation I get from work. Right now, everything is in two antec 300 cases. One holding all the hardware and 8 drives, the other csae modified to hold 12 drives. (its a mess, and this thing grew much faster than i had planned)
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 18:45 |
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I forgot to change the jumpers on both of my 2TB EARS drives before reinstalling WHS on my server. For the non-system drive, I can simply remove the drive from the pool change the jumpers and reinstall, but what about for the system drive?
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I too would recommend Samsung drives for a WHS. I've had those in a workstation before and they're definitely some fast and reliable drives. If I could start over, I'd ditch my Seagate 1.5TB drives and replace them with Samsungs. My WHS has been running great ever since I completed a conversion from Bare metal -> WHS to Bare metal -> Hyper-V -> WHS. The only problem I have now is I had to install a new Gigabit Intel NIC in my workstation because the onboard Intel NIC didn't support Jumbo framing. When I wasn't using Hyper-V and had the onboard Intel NIC in my workstation, I saw transfer speeds closer to 80-100MB/s. With Hyper-V in the loop I average around 30-40MB/s. No idea why, I'm guessing it's a limitation between Hyper-V and the Intel NIC drivers.
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For what it's worth, I never had trouble with file conflicts or straight up corrupt files until I installed a WD EARS drive (setting the jumper correctly before hand). I haven't had time to go through Conflict Resolver and Duplication Info to track it down, but I have a feeling that the WD drive is the problem. I'll probably add a new Hitachi/Samsung drive and remove the WD to sell off.
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1000 kilotheodores posted:I forgot to change the jumpers on both of my 2TB EARS drives before reinstalling WHS on my server. For the non-system drive, I can simply remove the drive from the pool change the jumpers and reinstall, but what about for the system drive? The system drive is more complicated. You will most likely need some kind of aligning utility. WD has an alignment utility here: http://support.wdc.com/product/downloadsw.asp?sid=123
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 19:38 |
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New article about DE http://goo.gl/ZnYR7
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 22:12 |
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Quick partition alignment question: if I hook up advanced format drives to a Windows 7 PC and create verified-aligned partitions, can I install WHS onto those and have it just work?
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Factory Factory posted:Quick partition alignment question: if I hook up advanced format drives to a Windows 7 PC and create verified-aligned partitions, can I install WHS onto those and have it just work? Dont think so because WHS is just going to reformat whatever you have setup already.
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 23:15 |
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Asses... Back to Google
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 23:19 |
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I'm pretty sure you can just XP jumper the data drives, and use the WD align boot CD to align the system+data drive after the fact. Or does WHS really align the data partition on it's own system drive?
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| # ? Dec 7, 2010 23:27 |
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Just as well, upgrading to RTM will feel like a misguided endeavor, as they've scrapped the drive extender.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2010 00:39 |
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qutius posted:Here's so more info: Thanks for this! I'll probably setup the .bat as described to work around the issue. Thermopyle posted:Fyi, I stream 1080p off of a bunch of WD EADS drives all the time and copy to/from them at 60-100MB/s. Transfer speeds generally aren't an issue with me either (I probably only get about 60mb/s though - given how I've crammed the PCI bus that's fine with me!). This server has been a learning experience at any rate. Next time I won't skimp and actually buy a motherboard with a shitload of SATA pots. neolithic fucked around with this message at Dec 8, 2010 around 02:36 |
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Would this suffice as a motherboard/processor for running WHS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Combo...st=Combo.564797
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Mr. Clark2 posted:Would this suffice as a motherboard/processor for running WHS? Looks pretty good to me. WHS doesnt need much computing power at all. And its nice that board comes with 6 sata ports, so you can get some decent expansion there. Would that cover all your needs for # of drives?
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| # ? Dec 8, 2010 03:19 |
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Soooooo... my WHS box won't boot. After disabling the automatic restart on failure, I find out that I have an Unmountable Boot Volume. Before I declare my OS drive toast, I'd like to try repairing the MBR, as I've seen this restore drives in this state to a healthy working state in the past. My problem is this - how the hell do I get into a recovery console on a WHS machine to do this? Using the install disc, there is no "press R to start the recovery console" option like there is on other OS discs. Being that WHS is based on Server 2003 SBS, I gotta imagine there is a recovery console in some form for it. I've also tried using a Hiren's Boot CD in the hopes of using one of the MBR repair utilities it contains, but thats a no-go as well. Anybody who's a bit more knowledgeable in WHS than I am know how to do this? Or am I just hosed here? Thanks.
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TDD_Shizzy posted:I have a new norco to move everything into next break/vacation I get from work. Right now, everything is in two antec 300 cases. One holding all the hardware and 8 drives, the other csae modified to hold 12 drives. (its a mess, and this thing grew much faster than i had planned) How much was your norco?
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kri kri posted:How much was your norco? $250, its the RPC-4020 model. It is a best, but it will be nice to have everything in one case. I might wait to swap everything and convert some of the drives to 3TB or 4TB if those are going to come out in the next 8 months.
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| # ? Dec 8, 2010 04:35 |
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TDD_Shizzy posted:Looks pretty good to me. WHS doesnt need much computing power at all. And its nice that board comes with 6 sata ports, so you can get some decent expansion there. Would that cover all your needs for # of drives? That's pretty much my WHS setup and it runs beautifully.
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SneakyCracker posted:Soooooo... my WHS box won't boot. After disabling the automatic restart on failure, I find out that I have an Unmountable Boot Volume. Before I declare my OS drive toast, I'd like to try repairing the MBR, as I've seen this restore drives in this state to a healthy working state in the past. The beta that I downloaded earlier today included an .iso named SrvRecovery.iso. Do you have that? It sounds like it's probably the server recovery disc.
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TDD_Shizzy posted:$250, its the RPC-4020 model. It is a best, but it will be nice to have everything in one case. I might wait to swap everything and convert some of the drives to 3TB or 4TB if those are going to come out in the next 8 months. Nice - can you post the rest of your hardware? Might be nice. Thinking of getting a norco myself 
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(Not really sure if this is the appropriate thread, if not, mea culpa...) I have been playing around with Greyhole for about two days now. It is bascally Drive Extender for Linux. You set up your shares in samba, define your storage-pool with greyhole, and a daemon takes care of the rest. It does use a "landing zone" á la early WHS, but the rest seems almost identical to how WHS runs. The daemon moves the files to your pool and creates a symlink/tombstone in the shared folder. I have so far only toyed with it small scale, but... it works. The installation was a bit finicky, and it may involving re-compiling some samba-stuff, so it's definitely not for someone who is not already fairly comfortable in Linux.
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kri kri posted:Nice - can you post the rest of your hardware? Might be nice. Thinking of getting a norco myself Case: Norco 4020 Mobo: Gigabyte GA-H55-USB3 (really anything with onboard video and 2+ pci) CPU: Intel i3 PSU: 750w Corsair Sata Controllers: 2x Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 Ram: 4GB g.skill DDR2
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