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Trillest Parrot
Jul 9, 2006

trill parrots don't die


Comedy option: plug in a usb wifi adapter and open my wifi for 5 minutes, then hope it jumps onto my network automatically.

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tonelok
Sep 28, 2001

Hanukkah came early this year.

If you have a Fry's near you and you are wanting to build a brand new WHS setup, they've really been having some insane deals lately.

This past Friday's ad (good through Thursday)
http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...S2H-Motherboard

Intel Core i3 530 Processor & Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H Motherboard for $88.88 after a $20 rebate.

motherboard is $89.99 at NewEgg + Shipping with 84% of reviews giving it either a 4 or a 5. It has 6 SATA ports.

CPU is $114.99 at NewEgg with 97% of reviews giving it a 4 or a 5. It's 2.93 GHz, 73W, Dual-Core, Hyper-threaded, 4MB cache, 64-bit, with Virtualization support.

The chip obviously has integrated graphics and the motherboard supports the integrated graphics.

Of course most Fry's stores sell out like Friday morning

tonelok
Sep 28, 2001

Hanukkah came early this year.

AMD Wise:

http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com...5G3-Motherboard

AMD Athlon II X3 435 Processor & BioStar TA785G3 Motherboard - $58.99 after rebate.

CPU is $74.99 at NewEgg, it's triple-core, has virtualization support, 95W, and is 2.9GHz.

Motherboard is $69.99 at NewEgg, only 4 SATA ports, but a lot of USB ports.

To me it's not as good of a deal because 95W and fewer SATA ports, but it is $59 after rebate.

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


WHS looks really cool. It also gives me something to do with all the parts I'll have left over after my next upgrade!

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Buttcoin is the future of online butts. Buttcoin is a peer-to-peer butt. Peer-to-peer means that no central authority issues new butts or tracks butts.



Make sure the board you purchase has driver support for Server 2k3. Most of the XP drivers should work, but I had an Intel board I could not use at all since there were no 2k3 drivers available.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


BorderPatrol posted:

Make sure the board you purchase has driver support for Server 2k3. Most of the XP drivers should work, but I had an Intel board I could not use at all since there were no 2k3 drivers available.

Focus on 64bit 2k8 R2 support since the next version is due out soon and needs this and it would suck to lock yourself out of updates.

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


Would 2k3 x64 drivers work on 2k8?

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Shumagorath posted:

Would 2k3 x64 drivers work on 2k8?

2k3 = xp 2k8 = vista/7.

It could work, but anything with vista/7 drivers should work.

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


I have Vista x64 running now, so fingers crossed.

Syano
Jul 13, 2005


Casao posted:

2k3 = xp 2k8 = vista/7.

It could work, but anything with vista/7 drivers should work.

Technically 2k8 = vista and 2k8 r2 = 7 and since vail will be based on 2k8 r2 I think its worth mentioning. Its a small distinction but its a distinction I have had some drivers make none the less.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


If I deleted a file on one of my shares from a client, is there anyway to recover it? I ran Restoration, my usual undelete utility, on both the client and server and it didn't detect the file.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Buttcoin is the future of online butts. Buttcoin is a peer-to-peer butt. Peer-to-peer means that no central authority issues new butts or tracks butts.



EC posted:

If I deleted a file on one of my shares from a client, is there anyway to recover it? I ran Restoration, my usual undelete utility, on both the client and server and it didn't detect the file.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/wi...hadow-copy.aspx

Right click on the folder and choose "Restore Previous Version" to pull your file out.

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


BorderPatrol posted:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/wi...hadow-copy.aspx

Right click on the folder and choose "Restore Previous Version" to pull your file out.

How did I not know about that?! Unfortunately, the file was created and deleted since the last version, so it wasn't there. Pretty awesome feature though.

zin
Nov 3, 2003

WHEEEAOOOW

I've grown a bit tired of my big old machine running opensolaris, it's a bit too much for my home network plus it's a goddamn pain getting netatalk to work with time machine etc so I'm looking into getting the HP storageworks x510. Overall it looks more attractive than acer's machine mostly becuase of the mac support.
So the folder duplication thing is awesome, I'll get loads of more diskspace since there's junk I want but not so much I want to mirror it, but what about the OS? If a disk breaks will the OS be mirrored aswell?

Triple Tech
Jul 28, 2006

So what, are you quitting to join Homo Explosion?


Nope, you would have to reinstall the OS on a new disk using recovery mode or whatever. It would inherit the existing pool (which is duplicated).

You can back up your server settings I think. But not the OS itself.

zin
Nov 3, 2003

WHEEEAOOOW

Oh, well as long as the information about the data stored is duplicated then no matter, as long as I don't lose everything just beacuse I break windows! That's been bothering me for a while now, thanks.

Zoodpipe
Jun 24, 2004

This is an important call. So, shut the fuck up.

So I got my WHS setup (HP MediaSmart 495 with 2.5 TB of storage) and mostly configured last night but I ran into a few issues/questions:

1) I'm copying all of my files from an external drive (HTFS formatted) connected to my Mac Mini running 10.6. On certain folders, when I try to copy them over to the server, the finder spits out a -50 error and wouldn't start the copy. Anyone run into this?
2) What are some of the must-have add-ins that you guys are using?
3) What is the general consensus for external backups? I have way too much data to rely on a free remote backup service. Can you use something like Microsoft's SyncToy to do a differential backup to an external drive?

All in all, I'm happy with the performance and the features. I was able to stream an uncompressed DVD folder to my Mini without any issues. Overall server performance seems fast but I do have it connected to my router via GigE.

Xidus
Aug 7, 2000


Do all the drives need to be constantly on/attached for Drive Extender? I have like 5 hdds now with some externals as monthly backups but only 2 are in my main pc and active daily, the others are hardly used/in an old pc that's usually turned off.

Do you think it's possible to get WHS to work on this old pc? It's an abit bh6 motherboard, celeron 1100, 448mb ram currently running XP. I want to get a WHS running for under $100 but my spare parts are pretty dated. I think I do have a spare 500mb DDR2 stick somewhere. I could get a mobo+cpu combo for well under $100 right?

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Buttcoin is the future of online butts. Buttcoin is a peer-to-peer butt. Peer-to-peer means that no central authority issues new butts or tracks butts.



Yes, the drives will need to be attached at all times. If you're constantly adding and removing the drives it will need to constant move the data on and off the drives before unplugging them, which can take hours each time.

I would not trust my data to such and old and lovely board like that.

Newegg has some good AMD and Intel combos for under $100. Fry's has some good in-store deals too.

kri kri
Jul 18, 2007



BorderPatrol posted:

Yes, the drives will need to be attached at all times. If you're constantly adding and removing the drives it will need to constant move the data on and off the drives before unplugging them, which can take hours each time.

I would not trust my data to such and old and lovely board like that.

Newegg has some good AMD and Intel combos for under $100. Fry's has some good in-store deals too.

Thanks I added this to the OP

ukle
Nov 28, 2005


Xidus posted:

Do all the drives need to be constantly on/attached for Drive Extender? I have like 5 hdds now with some externals as monthly backups but only 2 are in my main pc and active daily, the others are hardly used/in an old pc that's usually turned off.

Do you think it's possible to get WHS to work on this old pc? It's an abit bh6 motherboard, celeron 1100, 448mb ram currently running XP. I want to get a WHS running for under $100 but my spare parts are pretty dated. I think I do have a spare 500mb DDR2 stick somewhere. I could get a mobo+cpu combo for well under $100 right?

Amahi would run on that. Its basically the same as WHS v1 but Linux, and free.

But realistically spend a few quid and get a G31 or G41 based motherboard and a E3XXX series CPU, that is assuming you have a spare 500mb DDR2 stick.

Nevett
Aug 31, 2001



How easy is this to install to an existing PC?

I've got a Windows 7 PC with a whole load of media on it and little free disk space. Can I just install Home Server to this PC, or does it need a clean slate to set up this Drive Extender malarkey? Formatting the current Windows drive is fine, but I don't really have the spare disk space for any of the other drives to be formatted.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be." Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. The thought you cannot think controls you more than thoughts you speak aloud.


Nevett posted:

How easy is this to install to an existing PC?

I've got a Windows 7 PC with a whole load of media on it and little free disk space. Can I just install Home Server to this PC, or does it need a clean slate to set up this Drive Extender malarkey? Formatting the current Windows drive is fine, but I don't really have the spare disk space for any of the other drives to be formatted.

You'll need to format the OS drive. If you'll have enough space left on that drive (the OS partition takes 20 gb) you can then add one of your other drives data to the pool, then format it, then move another drives data to the pool, etc.

Xidus
Aug 7, 2000


BorderPatrol posted:

I would not trust my data to such and old and lovely board like that.

Hey don't knock the board. Back when it was new it was a popular board and not lovely at all. Still works good and no bad capacitors last I checked. PSU went tits up awhile back though.

Can I set up separate drive clusters for drive extender? Like 2 would be in all the time but sometimes I could just connect some externals and have those as their own separate cluster?

SchoolBus
Mar 27, 2004
I can't afford a new title, so I'm stuck with this piece of shit! Thanks PhancyPants!

Zoodpipe posted:

1) I'm copying all of my files from an external drive (HTFS formatted) connected to my Mac Mini running 10.6. On certain folders, when I try to copy them over to the server, the finder spits out a -50 error and wouldn't start the copy. Anyone run into this?
2) What are some of the must-have add-ins that you guys are using?
3) What is the general consensus for external backups? I have way too much data to rely on a free remote backup service. Can you use something like Microsoft's SyncToy to do a differential backup to an external drive?
1.Had some similar issues, Usually to do with file name formatting. Share the folder on the mac, remote desktop into server and try copying that way.
2. Dont use many as i usually remote in and install. For example install utorrent as a service, add the webclient and bingo, Torrent from anywhere. Ditto for SABnzbd.
Ones I do use are: Disk Management, Advanced admin console, and Duplication Info.
3. Just plug in a USB hard drive with enough space. It will ask you if you want to add to storage bool or use as a backup drive. Choose backup drive and it will mirror all data to that drive as well optimized for easy removal.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Buttcoin is the future of online butts. Buttcoin is a peer-to-peer butt. Peer-to-peer means that no central authority issues new butts or tracks butts.



Xidus posted:

Hey don't knock the board. Back when it was new it was a popular board and not lovely at all. Still works good and no bad capacitors last I checked. PSU went tits up awhile back though.

Can I set up separate drive clusters for drive extender? Like 2 would be in all the time but sometimes I could just connect some externals and have those as their own separate cluster?

You have a lovely board because it was made 10 years ago. It doesn't support SATA, it has support for ATA/33. You have a CPU that is 100mhz over the minimum specs. You don't even have enough RAM for minimum specs. Your spare DDR2 stick won't fit. Your USB is 1.1 speeds. You're trying to run a modern server OS on decade old hardware. You're going to have issues, your server will crawl to nothing when it tries to rebalance your data on your drives, and you will never be able to upgrade WHS ever. Please, please don't do this.

If you really want to go WHS, save some cash together and do it right, from scratch. If you really want to reuse your old hardware, go with Linux.

If you really want to use the externals you can set them up as backup drives to the WHS pool, and backup selected files when plugged in. They won't be duplicated at all times (meaning if one of your drives goes out you're SOL), but you'd be able to have backups stored on the externals. But you'd basically have none of the main benefits from WHS and might as well run Windows 2000.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

BorderPatrol posted:

You have a lovely board because it was made 10 years ago. It doesn't support SATA, it has support for ATA/33. You have a CPU that is 100mhz over the minimum specs. You don't even have enough RAM for minimum specs. Your spare DDR2 stick won't fit. Your USB is 1.1 speeds. You're trying to run a modern server OS on decade old hardware. You're going to have issues, your server will crawl to nothing when it tries to rebalance your data on your drives, and you will never be able to upgrade WHS ever. Please, please don't do this.

Listen to this guy. I bought a neat old Sony Vaio slimine PC a couple years ago(1GHZ PIII/512meg max) for 20$ and figured it would make a neat WHS box because it's small and quiet. So I installed a PCI SATA card and a USB 2.0 card in it's two PCI slots, hooked up some 1 TB drives and a backup ESATA drive and loaded it up.

It works OK, been running it for a couple years, but it does run at like 40% processor load all the time just balancing itself, and it REALLY bogs down when I'm trying to access files remotely through WHS's Web interface. I really wish I'd have started with stronger hardware in the first place.

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


BorderPatrol posted:

If you really want to use the externals you can set them up as backup drives to the WHS pool, and backup selected files when plugged in. They won't be duplicated at all times (meaning if one of your drives goes out you're SOL), but you'd be able to have backups stored on the externals. But you'd basically have none of the main benefits from WHS and might as well run Windows 2000.
Would I be able to back up select folders using my eSATA dock? Right now I back up my main PC using Acronis and I know that throwing a bunch of drives in WHS only keeps a given file in at most two places at once.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

Shumagorath posted:

Would I be able to back up select folders using my eSATA dock? Right now I back up my main PC using Acronis and I know that throwing a bunch of drives in WHS only keeps a given file in at most two places at once.

You can use an external drive(eSATA or USB) as either a pooled drive or a "normal" external drive, used for backups and such. It's generally not wise to use external drives as pooled drives, though, because if one gets unplugged, it throws the whole drive pool into massive chaos, WHS thinks a drive failed. USB is particularly bad for this.

That said, I don't have enough drive bays in my WHS box, so I use external eSATA drives in the pool without any problems in 18 months.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Just a heads up. My WHS started throwing errors backing up my computer (backup failure)a few days ago. Today I finally decided to see wtf. After running chkdsk /f a few times the problem was still happening, could not backup, it would stop at about %63. I finally decided to run chkdsk /f /r (repair bad sectors). And yeah it found a bad sector on my WD Raptor 150GB but at least it remapped the sector ok. Backups finished fine after that.

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


JnnyThndrs posted:

You can use an external drive(eSATA or USB) as either a pooled drive or a "normal" external drive, used for backups and such. It's generally not wise to use external drives as pooled drives, though, because if one gets unplugged, it throws the whole drive pool into massive chaos, WHS thinks a drive failed. USB is particularly bad for this.

That said, I don't have enough drive bays in my WHS box, so I use external eSATA drives in the pool without any problems in 18 months.
Thanks for the answer. I would definitely use it as an external backup drive and not a pooled drive since even WD Green Power drives are loud as hell outside the case. What I don't like about my Vantec dock is that it seems to hang the whole system while it brings the drive online so hopefully WHS doesn't flip out whenever I use it.

Man I am just going to be piling TB drives into this thing when I build my new gaming machine. Maybe I can get away without a secondary storage drive in my main machine!

tonelok
Sep 28, 2001

Hanukkah came early this year.

There are some 1TB Hitachi drives on sale at Fry's for $68.99

With 274 reviews on NewEgg, 86% of reviewers on NewEgg gave it either a 4 or a 5 (72% = 5, 14% = 4).

Obviously you don't want to base every drive in your WHS on one make of hard drive from one batch, but it's a good deal to throw one in your WHS.

Shumagorath
Jun 5, 2001


Do I want a small drive for the OS / secondary programs or does WHS figure that out automatically?

My current board has Win7 x64 drivers so I'm hoping I can re-use it for WHS Vail.

Shumagorath fucked around with this message at Apr 25, 2010 around 19:22

EC
Jul 10, 2001

The Legend


Anybody know of any good offline registry editors that would work with WHS? I've attempted with this, but the actual registry editor isn't exactly user friendly and I'm worried I'll screw it up.

I also tried Hiren's Boot CD, but the Registry Editor program errors out when I attempt to load it.

Are there any others out there?

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Buttcoin is the future of online butts. Buttcoin is a peer-to-peer butt. Peer-to-peer means that no central authority issues new butts or tracks butts.



Shumagorath posted:

Do I want a small drive for the OS / secondary programs or does WHS figure that out automatically?

My current board has Win7 x64 drivers so I'm hoping I can re-use it for WHS Vail.

You will want to install the OS to the largest hard drive in the pool. Originally it was because there was a "landing zone" on Disk0 before it distributed the files, but that changed with PP1 (and again in PP2).

I think the best reason would be that it will be more beneficial to upgrade that smaller drive to a larger one down the road than to upgrade the large drive to a slightly larger drive.

Here's a good breakdown of why to install to the larger drive:

HomeServerHacks.com posted:

Q: I've heard that when building a WHS system, you should use your largest drive as your system drive. It has something to do with the "landing zone" and copying large files. Is that true?

A: First , let me explain what a "landing zone" is (in the context of the Windows Home Server OS, not a drive's physical landing zone). When you a copy file to a folder share, WHS needs to store the file somewhere before distributing it to other drives either by moving it or copying it (creating two copies if folder duplication is turned on). With the original WHS v1, the landing zone was drive D: on the physical drive 0 (or system disk).

With PP1, this was changed to be the drive with the least amount of space. Later the files would likely be balanced to another drive. The thinking here was that groups of files would at least start off on the same physical disk.

PP2 changed this once again. WHS now uses the drive with the most space as the landing zone for a given file. This assures that large files will get the best chance to be copied to a share.

So to answer the twitter user's question, using the largest drive as the system partition is not necessary if you are worried about the landing zone. However, I pointed out that upgrading a data drive is much easier than upgrading a system drive. So if you have a 1TB drive and a couple of puny 500GB drives and you think you may want to upgrade to the new a behemoth 2 TB drives some day, go ahead and put your largest drive as the system drive. You will get more mileage out of your system that way.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000



Hell yeah (although it's apparently not public yet):

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-...eview-announced

manwh0r3
Feb 22, 2003
Soy inocente... es mi primer día

Seems to be available here, https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer

manwh0r3 fucked around with this message at Apr 26, 2010 around 18:50

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000



manwh0r3 posted:

Seems to be available here, https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer

Looks like that page just got updated, the Vail blurb wasn't there before.

EDIT:

There's a video here that I don't recall seeing before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmnFoI8iqC8

It's worth noting that the beta will wipe whatever you install it on.

Maneki Neko fucked around with this message at Apr 26, 2010 around 18:18

tonelok
Sep 28, 2001

Hanukkah came early this year.

manwh0r3 posted:

Seems to be available here, https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer

Yeah, take the period off of the end of that URL.

Got my key, downloading ISO now and it is slow.

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SwiftStrikerInc
Feb 5, 2002
[img]platypus[/img] The platypus stands as a testament to my own stupidity

Well, I've got to say that as disappointed that there aren't (at least initially) any media center tie in features, the updates sound pretty good as is.

I'm really surprised adding in the media center stuff hasn't been somewhat of a priority, because otherwise you just need more than 1 computer on to do stuff.

But hey, you can finally backup your WHS install (as well as your computer backups)


http://www.wegotserved.com/2010/04/...-server-vail/3/

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