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ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

It's crazy how some vortex kids get hardcore into photography/video just because they love their cars so much. If you browse their forums they really have some excellent photos. There aren't many other enthusiasts groups that are as passionate about their passion.

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mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009



So I bought a 7D because I wanted to do video at some point, and I've got a guy who might be interested in paying me to film him doing street magic for a day, but I'd like to get some audio besides the in-cam mic. Right now the most cost effective plan seems to be getting an h4n and using that as the external mic and then using an mp3 player to play 20hz noise to override the auto gain on the 7D and then syncing them.

Anyone know how the gently caress I would set this up? I found a guy who did it, and he's got a picture of the setup, but he doesn't explain any of the details. Is it all as simple as just plugging Plug A into Slot B or are there some tricks to it?

Five Cent Deposit
Jun 5, 2005


To chime in on the shutter speed thing- I am working on a decent sized studio production (20 million or so) and we have some footage shot on 5DII and 7D and you really really really want to aim for a shutter speed in the 1/50 ballpark (assuming you are shooting 23.976.) Faster than than can give you a nasty "skinny shutter" look. For reference, films that do use a skinny shutter angle to good effect (like SPR and Gladiator) typically aren't going narrower than 75-90 degrees, which at 24fps equal 1/120 and 1/96, respectively. Remember that that is a very deliberate stylistic choice that is rarely appropriate for 98% of your shooting. If you're trying to shoot wide open in a lot of light, use light cutting filters to keep your shutter speed nice and slow.

Man_of_Teflon
Aug 15, 2003
My dick is the bomb.

mr. mephistopheles posted:

So I bought a 7D because I wanted to do video at some point, and I've got a guy who might be interested in paying me to film him doing street magic for a day, but I'd like to get some audio besides the in-cam mic. Right now the most cost effective plan seems to be getting an h4n and using that as the external mic and then using an mp3 player to play 20hz noise to override the auto gain on the 7D and then syncing them.

Wouldn't it be easier to just record on the h4n and then sync it after?

I've never done it but I believe it's just a 2x female mono to 1x male stereo splitter from radioshack or whatever. Then get just connect the mp3 player to one channel and the audio output from the h4n to the other channel and go, removing whichever side is the tone in post.

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009



Man_of_Teflon posted:

Wouldn't it be easier to just record on the h4n and then sync it after?

I've never done it but I believe it's just a 2x female mono to 1x male stereo splitter from radioshack or whatever. Then get just connect the mp3 player to one channel and the audio output from the h4n to the other channel and go, removing whichever side is the tone in post.

Yeah but supposedly the iPod thing makes it easier to sync.

E: Nevermind. I misinterpreted. He was using it as a direct mic.

mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2010 around 01:14

Aeka 2.0
Nov 16, 2000

Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.



is there an easier way to lock 1/50 shutter on the 5dii? I have manual lenses and I find myself having to put my hand in front of the camera or other strange poo poo to get "50" and then hit "*" to lock it.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

Putting the dial in m doesn't allow you to set all your exposure settings manually?

Aeka 2.0
Nov 16, 2000

Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.



ease posted:

Putting the dial in m doesn't allow you to set all your exposure settings manually?

nope even ISO flutters around.
I was told this was fixed with a new firmware but I have the latest. I think my t1i has more manual control.

Edit: well nevermind, I had the LV settings set wrong.

Aeka 2.0 fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2010 around 02:58

Fists Up
Apr 9, 2007



mr. mephistopheles posted:

So I bought a 7D because I wanted to do video at some point, and I've got a guy who might be interested in paying me to film him doing street magic for a day, but I'd like to get some audio besides the in-cam mic. Right now the most cost effective plan seems to be getting an h4n and using that as the external mic and then using an mp3 player to play 20hz noise to override the auto gain on the 7D and then syncing them.

Anyone know how the gently caress I would set this up? I found a guy who did it, and he's got a picture of the setup, but he doesn't explain any of the details. Is it all as simple as just plugging Plug A into Slot B or are there some tricks to it?

Use the h4n and sync in post using pluraleyes. Its dead simple. Although just be weary that with the h4n the range of the mics might be limited which can be difficult if you are shooting outside. You will get a wider area covered rather than being able to target a subject directly like some mics can do.

Although this might be good depending on what you are shooting (im not sure. I switch between using the onboard mics on the h4n and using other mics all the time)

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009



Yeah I just pulled the trigger on a juicedlink CX 231 based on this set of videos.

http://vimeo.com/5370880

Found some a seller on ebay with a combo deal with a Rode shotgun that was ~$50 less than the two combined on Amazon and free expedited shipping.

AbdominalSnowman
Mar 2, 2009

by Ozmaugh


Alright, so I am completely new to film-making and I am looking at DSLR primarily because for the budget I am on ($500-700) for a camera means it is probably my only non-poo poo option. Specifically I am looking at the Nikon D3100. Does anyone have any experience with it? It is a nice camera?

Also, what problems should I be expected to run into with DSLR that I wouldn't with a traditional camera? I've heard there are issues with keeping things in focus, can someone elaborate on this a bit?

Also, is depth of field a problem with this camera? I would like to experiment with deep and shallow DOF but I'v heard a shallow depth is the challenging part to get out of a cheap camera.

edit: I'm sure this a stupid question, but pardon my camera ignorance. This thing can shoot film in black and white right? Or is that something I need to do in post?

AbdominalSnowman fucked around with this message at Dec 5, 2010 around 22:02

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?

I think the T2i has better video controls than the Nikon. The Canon will give you full manual exposure.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007


AbdominalSnowman posted:

Also, is depth of field a problem with this camera? I would like to experiment with deep and shallow DOF but I'v heard a shallow depth is the challenging part to get out of a cheap camera.

Any video-capable DSLR should satisfy you in this area.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

T2i has about 4.5x more pixels on the lcd, which you'll be looking at a lot of the time if you are going to be doing video.

Also, see this post :http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/r...essage=37025973

Man_of_Teflon
Aug 15, 2003
My dick is the bomb.

AbdominalSnowman posted:

Alright, so I am completely new to film-making and I am looking at DSLR primarily because for the budget I am on ($500-700) for a camera means it is probably my only non-poo poo option. Specifically I am looking at the Nikon D3100. Does anyone have any experience with it? It is a nice camera?

I believe the D3100 doesn't really offer a lot in terms of framerate choices, no manual control, low bitrate, terrible rolling shutter etc. I haven't used one though. The Pentax K-X seems pretty similar for ~$490, just with 720p instead of 1080p (both at 24p), if you're going for as budget as possible.

If you just want to do filmmaking with a DSLR and no photography you might be better off buying a GH1 body on ebay. The GH2 has just started shipping so you could probably score a good deal well within your price range. A GH1 would give you manual control over a lot of things, if you get a body that can be firmware hacked you can get very high bitrates, has the tiltable LCD which is super handy, and best of all they're adaptable to lots of cheap manual lenses so you can use the excellent Canon FD lenses (search for bargain condition lenses <$100, you can cover lots of focal lengths for mad cheap), c-mount, m42, or even really nice and yet not insanely expensive Contax-Yashica mount Zeiss lenses if you decide to run with it.

Or hell if you can stretch your budget to $900 with shipping you can get a GH2 with the kit lens, which is arguably the best video DSLR right now.

AbdominalSnowman posted:

Also, what problems should I be expected to run into with DSLR that I wouldn't with a traditional camera? I've heard there are issues with keeping things in focus, can someone elaborate on this a bit?

Also, is depth of field a problem with this camera? I would like to experiment with deep and shallow DOF but I'v heard a shallow depth is the challenging part to get out of a cheap camera.

These are probably related - it is hard to keep something in focus when the depth of field can be so shallow. The GH1 was probably the first DSLR to really get autofocusing done well (and silent too, with the 14-140mm 'video' lens) and the GH2 is even quicker. Most traditional filmmaking is down with focus pulling using manual lenses though.

AbdominalSnowman posted:

edit: I'm sure this a stupid question, but pardon my camera ignorance. This thing can shoot film in black and white right? Or is that something I need to do in post?

Pretty much any camera should be able to do black and white in the camera. You'll probably be able to make it look better doing it in post, however.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Tonight's starting lineup is
brought to you by Satan.


I ran across this from boingboing:

http://blog.smallmammal.com/post/21...thera-mechanism

Made with a 7D and T1i.

Pretty inspiring, makes me want to try some stop motion.

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



Hey guys, this is my first time posting in here. I am a photographer by trade but since I shoot with a 5d mk2 I figured I would try my hand at some video. I have shot a handful of videos and am still learning the ropes. Any help, critique or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Here is a video I shot and edited today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf3aQdzEv28

pwn
May 27, 2004

This Christmas get "Shoes"


xzzy posted:

I ran across this from boingboing:

http://blog.smallmammal.com/post/21...thera-mechanism

Made with a 7D and T1i.

Pretty inspiring, makes me want to try some stop motion.
They shot the stop motion Christmas episode of Community with a 7D, too. If you haven't already, check that ep out, it's beautiful.

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006
Kicker of Asses

Bojanglesworth posted:

Hey guys, this is my first time posting in here. I am a photographer by trade but since I shoot with a 5d mk2 I figured I would try my hand at some video. I have shot a handful of videos and am still learning the ropes. Any help, critique or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Here is a video I shot and edited today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf3aQdzEv28

I liked it. Being a photographer, you've got a head start on having good cinematography, and there wasn't much to that video other than cinematography so I think it turned out well. It made me hungry, even though I just ate a little bit ago, so I assume you met your goal with it.

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



CaptainViolence posted:

I liked it. Being a photographer, you've got a head start on having good cinematography, and there wasn't much to that video other than cinematography so I think it turned out well. It made me hungry, even though I just ate a little bit ago, so I assume you met your goal with it.

Thank you! I was at the restaurant shooting photos for their new catering section of their website so I figured I would shoot a bit of video between photos. The only thing that bugs me is that clip that is in black and white, sometimes when I am shooting photos I will shoot a few in black and white so I can adjust the exposure accordingly and see how it would look, I forgot to turn it back before I switched to video and apparently its not like shooting photos in RAW where when you import it removes that setting. If anyone wants to see the other stuff I have done for them:

http://www.taylorgourmet.com

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003




Can't wait to take the Rode SVM out for a whirl. Look how cuddly my 7D is now.

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

So I just took the plunge on a 7D and after reading through the thread I have a few questions.

1) If I'm looking to shoot something excessively loud (IE: Concerts, or Drag Strip racing) what should I look for in an external mic?

2) Are there any good resources for shooting video? My friends band is back in town until the first week of January and I want to know if I can reasonably throw together a video having only a week or two of actual practice? Obviously I'll have unlimited time to edit, and the audio will be synced in post to a song, so It's a pretty good first project I think. I would just like to learn all the basics of shooting video and grab some practice before I get in over my head.

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



AtomicManiac posted:

So I just took the plunge on a 7D and after reading through the thread I have a few questions.

1) If I'm looking to shoot something excessively loud (IE: Concerts, or Drag Strip racing) what should I look for in an external mic?

2) Are there any good resources for shooting video? My friends band is back in town until the first week of January and I want to know if I can reasonably throw together a video having only a week or two of actual practice? Obviously I'll have unlimited time to edit, and the audio will be synced in post to a song, so It's a pretty good first project I think. I would just like to learn all the basics of shooting video and grab some practice before I get in over my head.

Jesus dude, are you going to post the same thing in ever Camera related thread? Use the loving search function for Christ sakes. Go over to cinema5d.com and read for a while.

Dread Head
Aug 1, 2005
FILLLLLM

AtomicManiac posted:

So I just took the plunge on a 7D and after reading through the thread I have a few questions.

1) If I'm looking to shoot something excessively loud (IE: Concerts, or Drag Strip racing) what should I look for in an external mic?

2) Are there any good resources for shooting video? My friends band is back in town until the first week of January and I want to know if I can reasonably throw together a video having only a week or two of actual practice? Obviously I'll have unlimited time to edit, and the audio will be synced in post to a song, so It's a pretty good first project I think. I would just like to learn all the basics of shooting video and grab some practice before I get in over my head.

I really think you need to stop trying to do everything, and concentrate on doing one (or a limited number of) thing well. Every other week you seem to be trying something new, which is not always a bad thing but if you are wanting to make a living doing this you have to do a good job at something instead of doing a so so job at every thing.

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



Dread Head posted:

I really think you need to stop trying to do everything, and concentrate on doing one (or a limited number of) thing well. Every other week you seem to be trying something new, which is not always a bad thing but if you are wanting to make a living doing this you have to do a good job at something instead of doing a so so job at every thing.

Thank you. I am not trying to be a dick to you Atomic but every thread I go in is full of your grandiose plans to do whatever and then a flood of questions when you can't figure it out yourself in five minutes. I think it is safe to say that most of the people in here (and the other photography/video related threads) did a lot of our learning through trial & error, and tireless researching on the Internet.

I get that the forums are a good place to reach a group of people who are interested and experienced in one thing or another, but posting question after question in multiple threads gets old when the answer can be found with very little effort by just searching on Google.

I, like many dslr video users, started out with photography (just like you!) and after many years of being a full time professional photographer (after a couple of years of trial & error and learning the ropes) I decided to try my hand at video, I had the gear so why not right, and it has been quite the learning experience. Instead of dumping half assed questions on SA I decided to join forums that are specifically for video and I lurked and lurked. Being a user of SA (if you have read the rules!) should put you exactly where you need to be in terms of lurking and not posting stupid questions (and I quote, "Lurk before posting! We cannot stress this enough.")so do yourself a favor and go join Cinema5d.com and anything else you can find relating to what you think you want to do and READ and LEARN.

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?

Go easy on him dude, he's got a business degree.

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



AIIAZNSK8ER posted:

Go easy on him dude, he's got a business degree.

I hope you are joking. I woulda pegged him as more of a, "half an associates" type of guy.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Bojanglesworth posted:

I hope you are joking. I woulda pegged him as more of a, "half an associates" type of guy.
hello

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



evil_bunnY posted:

hello

If I remember correctly he actually does have a business degree. Either that or it was some other whiny poster going on and on about how they are suited for photography because they have a business degree.

Dread Head
Aug 1, 2005
FILLLLLM

AtomicManiac posted:

January will mark one year of "Being in business" (first time I got paid for photos). Since then, I haven't really made enough money to need to file taxes, but I'm looking to change that this year. Are there any good resources to learn how to file taxes, without having to go and visit with an accountant?

I did go to business school, so I have some basic understanding of book keeping and depreciation and such, but my accounting classes were more brief-over views on actual book-keeping and managerial decision making based off the numbers for corporate function and less DIY "File these forms, here's how to handle deductions, etc".

Maybe dropped out, he does seem to have gone though!

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



Dread Head posted:

Maybe dropped out, he does seem to have gone though!

Ah! The exact post I was looking for!!

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

Sorry to disappoint, but I did graduate from the University of Nebraska at Omaha with a Degree in Business Management. I might not be "Successful" just yet, but I have booked 7 *paid* shoots this month, and have 2 more in the works and I feel like that says I'm on the right track. As far as "new ideas every week" you make it sound like I've abandoned all of them the next week. Every "dumb" idea is still in process, even if its not my primary focus I still devote some time each month to them. I've always been the type of person to juggle multiple things, and if you think I'm too split with just photography, then you don't know the half of it. I'm not here to ask your opinions on how I run my business though, I just wanted a recommendation for a loving microphone.

All I want to know is, what's worse to you - An eager newbie looking for some advice, or some grumpy rear end in a top hat who seems convinced that it's just not possible for someone to want to try more than one type of photography? You seem to post in all of the same threads, so either you're following me around to derail threads on purpose, or you do the exact same thing I'm trying to do. This is what, the 3rd or 4th time you've completely poo poo up a thread because you have some problem with me?


Thanks for the link though. If you have any other good resources for DSLR video I'd appreciate it. If you want to argue about I'm not interested and I'm not gonna participate.

Bojanglesworth
Oct 20, 2006


Look at all these burgers-running me everyday-
I just need some time-some time to get away from-
from all these burgers I can't take it no more



AtomicManiac posted:

Sorry to disappoint, but I did graduate from the University of Nebraska at Omaha with a Degree in Business Management. I might not be "Successful" just yet, but I have booked 7 *paid* shoots this month, and have 2 more in the works and I feel like that says I'm on the right track. As far as "new ideas every week" you make it sound like I've abandoned all of them the next week. Every "dumb" idea is still in process, even if its not my primary focus I still devote some time each month to them. I've always been the type of person to juggle multiple things, and if you think I'm too split with just photography, then you don't know the half of it. I'm not here to ask your opinions on how I run my business though, I just wanted a recommendation for a loving microphone.

All I want to know is, what's worse to you - An eager newbie looking for some advice, or some grumpy rear end in a top hat who seems convinced that it's just not possible for someone to want to try more than one type of photography? You seem to post in all of the same threads, so either you're following me around to derail threads on purpose, or you do the exact same thing I'm trying to do. This is what, the 3rd or 4th time you've completely poo poo up a thread because you have some problem with me?


Thanks for the link though. If you have any other good resources for DSLR video I'd appreciate it. If you want to argue about I'm not interested and I'm not gonna participate.

I'm not giving you advice, I could care less what you do with your "business." I would however like to read a single page of a thread without seeing twelve posts from you with asinine questions that could be answered by taking two seconds to Google it.

Want a recommendation for a microphone? Look at reviews online, that way you will get the opinion of hundreds of people, not the ten people who are on here who even use a microphone, even less of which use a microphone for the same purpose that you want to use it for. I shoot interviews of a single person, in a controlled environment. The microphone that best suits my needs will not suit the needs of someone who wants to shoot video of a loving screamo band in a basement.

Reading back through these threads it seems like you are the one making GBS threads them up by again, asking questions over and over again that can be answered by taking a few seconds out of your obviously very busy day to loving Google something. I have no problem with an eager newbie, but the eager newbie cuteness wears off after you have been doing the exact same thing, in the exact same threads for well over a year now. I am clearly not the only one who feels this way, as any time I say something other people chime in and say the exact same thing.

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE

e: nevermind. just lurk more.

ease fucked around with this message at Dec 18, 2010 around 00:18

krackmonkey
Mar 28, 2003

when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro...

AtomicManiac posted:

I just wanted a recommendation for a loving microphone.
The first thing you're going to want to know is that the same microphone which will give you good audio for capturing live music isn't going to be the best choice for capturing audio of drag racing. Microphones are a lot like lenses, in that they tend to have very specialized purposes and excel at what they do best while lacking in other aspects.

It has been recommended several times to you that a more dedicated resource, such as the very helpful cinema5d.com or anything you can google up about folks like Phillip Bloom or Vincent LaForet will be of much greater use to you than asking in a thread largely populated by people who are just as new to this "cameras that make movies" thing as you are.

You do seem to come off as someone who thinks this is all easy-peasey, and yet you have questions, which should be a good indication that maybe it actually takes time and effort, and there is no magical web question or google string that is going to open the doors to untold riches for you any faster than just working your rear end off and accepting that some of what you do is going to just suck rear end because that's how the universe works.

If you really are interested in finding some answers, you have now been given plenty of leads on where to look. If you just want to get into more internet dick waggling, then stay here and continue to argue with the endless flow of goons who will gladly engage in playing "feed the troll" for as long as you encourage it.

Keket
Apr 18, 2009

I'm the first mammal to wear pants, yeah.


Thinking about picking a 60D up for some video work to upgrade from my old 400D, stumbled into this thread and wow, lots of inspiring links and info, I love all the DIY gear.

A while back I found this video when looking up some info on a friends new camera,

Short film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vez7qSrZfpc

Making of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL86qxCasoI

Shmoogy
Mar 21, 2007


I've got a question regarding microphones that I hope somebody can either help me with, or point me in the right direction:

I've got a 5d2 that I've done a few half assed recordings with, and the internal microphone is... not good. I knew that ahead of time, but I find myself wanting to play with video a bit more. I don't have any style of videos I plan to attempt yet, but I would like to be able to use the microphone with my iPad to record audio lectures while in class.

Is there any external microphone (3.5mm? Wireless?) that would work well at picking up a professor speaking without lots of reverb from the speakers, and potentially be discreet. Because it would be serving double duty for me, price isn't that big of an issue (to a point)

e: Forgot about what I've found-- Pretty much just the Zoom h4, or a wireless lavalier setup which is ridiculously expensive, and not that great for what I'm looking for camera wise.

Shmoogy fucked around with this message at Jan 1, 2011 around 00:47

AtomicManiac
Dec 29, 2006

I've never been a one trick pony. I like to have a competency in everything. I've been to business school.

Check out this crazy Urban exploration video filmed on a 5d MKII

I want to do some cool stuff like this before I get too old.

AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?

AtomicManiac posted:

Check out this crazy Urban exploration video filmed on a 5d MKII

I want to do some cool stuff like this before I get too old.

I expected to see the River of Slime from Ghostbusters 2.

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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Shmoogy posted:

Is there any external microphone (3.5mm? Wireless?) that would work well at picking up a professor speaking without lots of reverb from the speakers, and potentially be discreet. Because it would be serving double duty for me, price isn't that big of an issue (to a point)
Couldn't you get a feed from the audio system?

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