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priznat posted:Recommending a baconator immediately renders all your advice incredibly suspect. Posting about guns on a comedy forum should do the same thing, honestly.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Posting about guns on a comedy forum should do the same thing, honestly. You're having an angry start to this week, mister. I should come down there and give you a tickling.
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priznat posted:Recommending a baconator immediately renders all your advice incredibly suspect. True, but he is right about the cleaning rods. Never ever use the one that came with the gun, at least on surplus rifles for the reasons mentioned. I've never removed the rods from my WASR or any surplus rifles. They're just accessories or decoration at this point. At one point a hundred years ago the US even issued two cleaning rods for rifles. One was steel and kept with the rifle to use out in the field, while a proper wooden one would be kept back at camp. Plus modern cleaning rods and bore snakes are just much better than those old ones. Those ones are good enough when you're living in a hole in the ground for a couple months, but when we're living in nice modern homes we have no excuse not to give our rifles a proper cleaning.
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How do the VZ2008s compare to the Sporter with regards to functionality? I'm looking at a VZ58, but the Czech Point Sporter is well out of my price range. I am hesitant to get anything with Century's name on it, but the only negative things I have heard are on the realism front compared to the military VZ 58s, and people saying that it is Century so it has to be bad, despite having never used one. I know that precision shooting isn't your thing, but you know the most about these guns out of anyone here, so I was hoping you had heard comparisons. Also, do you know what parts are the 922(r) compliance parts on the Century gun? If I were to get one, I might want to change out the stock and/or the handguards, but I don't want to change anything without knowing what has to be there to stay legal.
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| # ? Oct 31, 2010 04:05 |
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Put a vortex sparc red dot on my 858 today, and a new (fab defense) grip..  All coming together, still looking for this stock, though:  Any  goons know who might have em? I emailed wolverine supplies so I think they'd be the best bet if they are available..
priznat fucked around with this message at Nov 7, 2010 around 04:51 |
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So, how are those optic mounts anyhow? When I first saw it I must admit I didn't think too much of it. Any movement at all? Where did you get it?
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I got it from the NEA guy on cgn selling it direct on the ee. The set had come out of the anodizing tank darker than usual so he was selling for less. It really locks in there solid and does not move that I can see. Kind of a pain getting it back on after a cleaning though, it's very tight. That will get easier with use I imagine.
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priznat posted:I got it from the NEA guy on cgn selling it direct on the ee. The set had come out of the anodizing tank darker than usual so he was selling for less. You have almost the exact same setup as me now - congratulations. The NEA upper handguard is a pretty good setup. It's snug, which means that it'll stay fairly solid during firing. And it should be fairly repeatable.
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DrakeriderCa posted:You have almost the exact same setup as me now - congratulations. Cool stuff. I was going to take it to the range yesterday but I get there and it was friggin packed and didn't feel like hunting for parking then waiting for a shooting spot. So I went to the pistol range instead. Already a big  to Vortex, I tugged on my rubber "bikini" cover a little too hard when pulling it the sparc and it snapped, I emailed their support and the guy is sending me a new one. Really nice to know they have good service in place, and in Canada even!Also I got a reply back from Wolverine about the poly folding stock, the guy says they can't bring those in due to ITAR. So does Wolverine do all its importing from CZ USA and not direct from the Czech Republic? I thought that was interesting. Kind of bummed I can't get that stock without ordering it from the .cz site.. Who knows what kind of crazy customs brokerage fees would be required if I did that  .
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priznat posted:Who knows what kind of crazy customs brokerage fees would be required if I did that Probably none, because it isn't a controlled item in Canada and it isn't for a commercial purpose. Just find a way to somehow order one out of the Czech Republic and you're set. All you'll pay is duties/taxes and shipping.
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I just got one of these thrown in as a bonus on an item I sold on the CGN EE. http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ad.php?t=515460 Too bad I just sold my 858 to buy one of the new short ones that are coming out.
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What is it for folks who can't log into CGN? Due to work or not having an account..
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I did a comparison of the Vz.2008 and Vz.58 Sporter in the OP of this very thread. Come on, its me, you know i try and put long OPs in my threads. Basically there is nothing wrong with the Century guns and people who say there must be are just hating on the name. People who have fired them at least have to admit they are reliable and accurate. The US made parts on the Vz.2008 are: Trigger group (2) Receiver Barrel Gas pistin Muzzle device I think this total of 6 is actually 1 too many. You can use surplus mags legally out of the Vz.2008 The Vz.58 Sporter uses: Trigger group (2) Follower Floorplate Gas pistin So on the Vz.58 you can't use unmoddified military magazines legally. The Vz.58 Sporter uses an original 15" chrome lined Czech barrel with 1" extension on it. Receiver is also made in Czech as a single stack. Czechpoint mills it out to accept double stack magazines. The Vz.2008 uses a milled double stack US receiver and has a 16" long US made barrel. On the other hand the Vz.2008 has a removable muzzle device and a bayonet lug and the 58 Sporter does not. On both rifles the furniture is original Czech. Czechpoint offers theirs with polymer solid or folding. Century offers theirs with polymer solid or folding, and also with wooden solid. The Century rifles have actually been reported maybe a hair more accurate because of the longer barrel and not having it chrome lined. Both guns are built from new/referbished parts. The Vz.58 Sporter is more collectable perhaps but more expensive. It has a better trigger pull but no bayonet lug and removable muzzle device. The Vz.2008 is cheaper and has all the military features but uses more US parts and is generally not quite as nicely finished. I have pictures of both in the OP.
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Mishaco posted:I did a comparison of the Vz.2008 and Vz.58 Sporter in the OP of this very thread. Come on, its me, you know i try and put long OPs in my threads. 922(r) is loving retarded.
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Thanks, Mishaco. I had read the OP but didn't see a parts comparison or anything on accuracy and reliability. Maybe I just missed it. I think I'll probably get a VZ58 of some kind as my first evil rifle, I have a love affair with Czech guns. I just wanted to make sure that if I did get a century, I wouldn't end up regretting it two weeks later.
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priznat posted:What is it for folks who can't log into CGN? Due to work or not having an account.. My bad. AK grip modded for the 858. 
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Mishaco posted:I did a comparison of the Vz.2008 and Vz.58 Sporter in the OP of this very thread. Come on, its me, you know i try and put long OPs in my threads. Thanks for that, good information. My only question is why are some parts listed as not compatible with Century receivers? I want to like the Century guns because they are cheap and by your accounts also accurate. Have they deviated from the receiver design in some way?
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Would putting a straight (not angled) M4 style stock on cause issues with ergonomics, lining up the sight etc? The regular stock has a bit of "drop" to it but the straight back M4 stock adapter would make it quite a bit different to shoulder I'd imagine. The angled M4 stock adapter looks kind of goofy as hell though. I just want a stock with a better LOP than the regular one, and one that doesn't look like a bucket of smashed asses.
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priznat posted:Would putting a straight (not angled) M4 style stock on cause issues with ergonomics, lining up the sight etc? The regular stock has a bit of "drop" to it but the straight back M4 stock adapter would make it quite a bit different to shoulder I'd imagine. If you get one, make sure it's a multi-position adapter. Some of the adapters put it in a straight line with the bore, which will prevent you from using the iron sights. If you get one of the multi-pos adapters, you'll be able to mount the stock lower and still use the factory irons.
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M4 stocks on CZs look loving stupid.
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mikerock posted:M4 stocks on CZs look loving stupid. Agreed. Factory wood (*not chipboard*) is the fuckin heat.
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DrakeriderCa posted:Agreed. Factory wood (*not chipboard*) is the fuckin heat. Gettin my parked rifle soon.
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mikerock posted:Gettin my parked rifle soon. ballin
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mikerock posted:M4 stocks on CZs look loving stupid. I agree I just haven't had any luck finding a better option  I figure a magpul MOE or something like that is the least lovely. That folding polymer one I was all  over is only 275mm which is friggin teeny.DrakeriderCa posted:If you get one, make sure it's a multi-position adapter. Some of the adapters put it in a straight line with the bore, which will prevent you from using the iron sights. If you get one of the multi-pos adapters, you'll be able to mount the stock lower and still use the factory irons. Ah yeah that's pretty much what I was wondering about. I'll probably live with the factory stock *for now* but good to have the info on that. priznat fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 00:45 |
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Mishaco, will you give us the low-down on everything you know about the 5.56 models Czechpoint is putting out, like price, configurations, when they will be available, etc? I'm thinking about getting rid of my WASR and replacing it with this as something nicer, more accurate, and with less recoil. I love the 58 but 7.62x39mm just isn't a fun round for me to shoot.
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Would it be utter blasphemy to get a stock adapter and put an A2 stock on a cz-858? I just would really like something with a better LOP than the current stock. I don't care about folding or collapsing stock, I just want to not have my face scrunched up on the back of the receiver when I shoulder the sucker Of course I haven't measured so for all I know the A2 LOP is just the same. 
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Bumping the thread, I'm gonna be getting one of those NEA railed stock adapters and an A2 stock, along with the clamp that goes on above the gas block for a BUIS. Has anyone taken off the front sight on a Vz? is it fairly reverseable? I think it might be a little lacquered on there and I want to know if it'll be a bit of a mess if it's taken off with the finish etc. The front clamp is a bit of a throw-in by the guy I'm buying the stock adapter and A2 stock from so I'm not planning on doing this right away, more just curious about it.
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Wow, triple post action! Anyway my glorious plan has come together nicely:  (for Mishaco: I put on a railed stock adapter with an A2 stock, it is angled just right to replicate the angle of the AR stock - straight back. There's also a clamp with a small section of rail just ahead of the gas tube for BUIS) I ended up getting a deal on the stock adapter (in tan) + A2 stock because that's what the manufacturer guy had around. He threw in a barrel clamp and I may or may not put anything on it, indexing it properly may be a pain. The cheekweld of the A2 stock is a lot higher than the normal stock so I put the riser on the sparc and it's perfect. Definitely the most comfortable the rifle has felt ever. The LOP is much nicer for me and my gorilla arms, although it could be a little longer even. Plus I think the tan accents look kinda cool 
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So whatever happened to the .223 variant? There were a few posts referencing it a few months in here, and now I can't find a single reference to it that's more recent than '09, or made here.
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The .223 is in stores in Canada, they come with a pretty nasty looking skeletonised stock though.
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I spoke to Dan at Czech point 2 days ago and here is the skinny on the 5.56/.223 model of the SA Vz.58 Sporter. They have them in country but they came in as single stacks of course. They have been working on an AR mag adapter to fit in an enlarged magwell and that took longer than expected to get done. They say they will be showing the new model at the shotshow this month. Hopefully that will happen. I am unsure on the price but don't expect below $800. As for the question about Century's receivers being different? not that i know of. They fit military parts on them so umm they must be drat close to original. The Century receiver is milled and starts life as a double stack. The Czechpoint receiver is milled and starts life as a single stack, so there are some differences. The Century's safety is like the full auto and even has 3 positions, though of course the NFA position does nothing. The Czechpoint receiver is reversed for better use of the semi-only spot and has only 2 positions. I have sold a lotttt of Vz.2008s in the past 3 months..yet to hear a complaint. I think 2 went to goons so maybe they can chime in as more objective reviewers? I love the Czechpoint guns too, just right now they cost $300 more so..is it worth it? That's totally your call. One thing, i really do like that the Century guns can legally take surplus mags. I respect Czechpoint for trying to keep the number of US parts in the rifle low, but having to use mags with 2 US parts in them kind of suck. Especially since surplus Vz mags are quite cheap right now: $15ish in good to unissued condition.
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Two questions: 1. Does anyone sell fixed butt stock assemblies? I'm about to buy a vz58 with the folding stock and I'd like to be able to switch over to fixed if I don't like it. 2. Does the Czech army currently use a specific railed upper stock? I'm a goof for keeping my military rifles "spec" and if I ever want to put one on I'd like to first consider using the Czech army standard one.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Two questions: You in Canada? I got a factory fixed stock just sitting around.
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Unfortunately no. I'm in the US.
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I bought one of the Century ones from Mishaco a few days ago. I'm really hoping it'll be in tomorrow, and can post pics and all that if you guys want. I'll let you know my opinions, Let me know what you want pics of. Along with 2520 rounds of Yugoslavian surplus, this is the best gift Ive ever given myself. I did learn I am way too impatient to buy guns on the internet though. The wait is killing me.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Two questions: I don't ever remember seeing a lot of fixed stocks just floating around, I think they're mostly just kept with parts kits and there's not a lot of spares outside of the armorer's kits. If you don't like the wire folding stock, though, you could get a Stormwerkes ACE adapter, ACE folder, and AKFX stock among other options. As for what's standard kit on Czech army guns, well, there's a lot of different poo poo. They started modernization programs back in the 90s and have used a lot of seemingly random stuff. Sights The earliest upgraded optic I've seen is the OKO sight, similar in construction to a C-More: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduc...ctNumber=144756 The OKOs seem to be still kicking around although the most recent pictures I've seen use full-size Aimpoints, or more rarely EOTechs. I've also heard of Hakko sights being employed along with the OKOs and have seen a picture that seems to support it, but I don't know how widespread their use was. Handguards The oldest upgraded handguards I've found seem to be a normal peice of slimjim furniture with a stamped steel hood that fits the OKO sight. Nobody has imported them that I know of, and a Czechpoint rep on CZ Forum says he can't recommend it over a PRI or Neit/Troy handguard rail but here they are anyway for posterity's sake     After that came a railed slimjim handguard, and a few different types of purpose-made polymer railed handguards, without the armored hood. I don't think I've seen a single one of these on fixed-stock rifles  I've seen some automatic rifles that were very non-standard, with mismtahced stocks and handguards made by FAB or whatever. May have been police rifles according to google translate? The new standard railed handguard is the Brugger and Thomet unit, which is of course not cheap at all. I can't find pricing on them now but I got my first VZ in early 2007 and at the time it was the only good railed handguard set available, and I was quoted over $400 for both pieces. http://www.bt-ag.ch/en/manufacturin...rds.php?pid=344 Some rifles have siderails but they don't seem to be very common and I can't find out very much about them, sorry Stocks and grips Very early Vz.58 stocks sets were beech, with the slimjim and wire stocks becoming standard for the vast majority of production guns. You know what they look like. The stocks on upgraded rifles are a mishmash of oldschool wire stocks, HK-style polymer folders:  G36 style fixed stocks:  and Command Arms M4 telestocks:  Grips vary widely with FAB/CAA, weird AR/Vz hybrids, black polymer Vz pattern, and old slimjim furniture being common. Here's more random pictures of guns used by Czechs to shoot people in an official capacity, just to give you an idea of how much weird nonstandard variance there is           
Professor Awesome fucked around with this message at Jan 2, 2011 around 22:57 |
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Those pictures are awesome, Professor!  Thanks! I was debating adding a VFG to the lower handguard of mine and I think a few of those pics convinced me that would be pretty cool. The NEA/Troy handguard has mount points for rail segments on the sides (4") and bottom (2") so it's fairly easy to just screw them on (uses those big holes).
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Fantastic info, Prof! Thanks for that. So is the mishmash of different stuff acceptable in the Czech army, or are most of those pictured part of (the two or three) special units and are thus allowed to to modify their weapons as they wish?
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Well, you have a few options about replacing a folder with a fixed. At least though they use the same receiver rear section and it is really just 1 big screw to exchange them. For the fixed stock you need: Stock itself Buttplate 1 long rear end stock screw a brackett thing that goes between the receiver and stock and that the screw goes through and the sling swivel (which is 2 pieces so it can rotate) Once upon a time by far the easiest way to get it would be just buy a parts kit that didn't have a barrel. They were sub $100, gave you all matching furniture (well kind of matching at least) and lots of spare parts. Now though that people are building this up from kits because US made receivers are available, i am sure kits have gone up some. Still without a barrel they should be $150 or less? I had an armorer's kit which had a lot of stuff in it. I used a lot of it in converting my SA vz.58 Sporter (i bought in 2007) and sold off most of the other stuff. I kept about 2 of every part though for my own use, including unissued stock sets. Here is the thing though, it disappeared over a year ago when i moved. The actually wooden box i have, but the internal shelves were gone. I have no idea what happened to them and they were big so... Finally, Czechpoint sells Vz furniture sets. They aren't exactly cheap but they are new/unissued so they look great. I got a skeleton stock for Miso (with hardware) last year for $35 so maybe a complete set could be had for less than $75? Or just the buttstock with hardware for $50? I can call tomorrow to ask. The folders are neat because they make an already slim and short carbine, even more so. The fixed stocks are neat because of comfort and i like how they are swept down. That said, please be adviced that the LOP is Warsaw length and while it fits me well at 5'6" it might not work so good for someone over 6" tall. Finally, as i said, Miso actually wanted the polymer skeleton Czech stock. It is the best looking 'thumbhole' stock i have put hands on. It uses the same sling swivel (metal) as the fixed stock, an SVD styling with pistol grip, and removable soft cheak piece for comfort. It also has a removable rubber buttpad which adds some length to the stock and can be taken off to use just a plain ribbed plastic buttplate if desired. Like i said, those with all hardware aren't pricy at all and new condition. They also sell black polymer handguards to go with them that are czech made and good quality, but no rails. So you have some options. There seems to be a small but growing industry in the USA around the vz.58.
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