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Baddog posted:christ, it's an adult job, not summer camp. They'll likely take it out of the final paycheck, and withdraw from the direct deposit account for any difference, and who cares if it causes you to overdraw.
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You negotiate your incoming employer to buy you out for it. Same as RSUs or anything else you’re leaving on the table.
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Sundae posted:6) Require upper management approval for not sharing a room with another employee now (big old nope to me right there) Agreeing with the other WTF posts. This is wild to me and seems like such an HR minefield I'm shocked it was even greenlit.
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I’ve definitely worked at places where that was the norm, I’m just surprised it happens at Sundae’s place given the salaries of the attendees. Weird place to save money.
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Don't forget the whole thing with the old guy creeping on the young contractor (intern?)
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Vasudus posted:You negotiate your incoming employer to buy you out for it. Same as RSUs or anything else you’re leaving on the table. Yep
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Volmarias posted:They'll likely take it out of the final paycheck, and withdraw from the direct deposit account for any difference, and who cares if it causes you to overdraw. No they won’t. This would be an extremely stupid and probably illegal thing to do in the US. If they do it lawyer up immediately, an employment attorney will take this on contingency.
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Our indefinitely postponed North American conference was supposed to have shared rooms and I was curious if anyone has ever actually done that before because it seems like such a a crazy ask. I mean, it’s such a hard goddamn no I can’t even….just no! Hell no! I don’t even feel like I should even have to explain why, to anyone, much less my manager
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Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” I thought asking if there is a loving sign outside my cube saying packaging study’s and then yelling at them there isn’t one because its not my loving job; but that seems unprofessional.
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Sundae posted:6) Require upper management approval for not sharing a room with another employee now (big old nope to me right there) So, they don't actually want people going to this conference, right? That's what I'm reading.
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” How about, "I can't fit extracurriculars into my work schedule at this time." Granted, not entirely corporate speak, but I figure it's just contemptuous enough without being directly insulting (still, know your audience and all that).
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” Identify an authoritative document which states that packaging studies are their job. Convert the document, and particularly the key language, into the packaging form in question. Get creative; really sell the “this is your job, not mine” brand story. Make it pop. Send them this design as an attachment with the body message that you ran the study and this produced optimal results.
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” Ask what a packaging study is then provide some links to some random poo poo you found on Google. Offer to buy some boxes off of temu because it's cheaper than Amazon If other people weaponize incompetence then why not the rest of us
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CarForumPoster posted:No they won’t. Wait so I'm confused. Every offer letter (which I understand is not a job contract) I've ever signed has language about having to stick around for x months or else we have to pay back the sign on/relocation bonuses. Is this actually not enforceable?
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like non-competes, enforcability is totally dependent on what state you're in, it's a total crapshoot
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Boris Galerkin posted:Wait so I'm confused. Every offer letter (which I understand is not a job contract) I've ever signed has language about having to stick around for x months or else we have to pay back the sign on/relocation bonuses. Is this actually not enforceable? What we’re discussing is called a clawback provision. They MAY be entitled to the money. If they have a debt they can probably: ask nicely, sue you, send to collections, or some other lawful means. They’re probably NOT entitled to collect on that money from your last paycheck or from a debit from your bank account.* *generally, in most situations, IANAL, this is not legal advice Now whether the clawback is enforceable by those lawful means is a different question and a state by state thing. Generally yes IME but my point is the method of enforcement matters a lot. Edit: FWIW a person I know well has gotten 2 demand letters for employer clawbacks both >$10k and paid 0 of them but it required making the right moves and having some lawyer friends craft a response. Both were from very big companies who knew the cost of a counterclaim was hilariously less than they wanted to clawback. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Apr 18, 2024 |
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Shrieking Muppet posted:Anyone have a novel way in corporate speak to tell someone “running a packaging study is not my loving job, its your teams loving job” Ask them to email you the details, then forward the email to their boss's boss asking if they have someone to do a packaging study
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If you're actually just job hopping very quickly for little reason except to get more money - ok yes, you should probably pay it back. You wasted their time. But if the job is a complete tire fire, not what it was represented to be, I think you have grounds to push back on the *request* for a signing bonus to be returned. If you get hired to touch computers, they send you a check to do that for a year, and then when you quit your other job and show up to work for them they want you to shovel literal poo poo, there is obviously a big problem. They've wasted a chunk of your life with their bullshit, and now you *need* to look for something else. That's worth something. If you're really worried about it, get a consult with a lawyer to get up to speed on your state's laws. And then if it comes up, tell HR to send their request in writing to your lawyer for review - if they really think they have a case and want to pursue it. Think of it as a negotiation. Maybe they are due some pro-rated amount, but the entire thing? Pshhht. Personally, I just got honestly angry and offended and shocked that they would even think about asking, and they backed down pretty quick.
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As a long-time prisoner of clawback provisions in four different states  , I can tell you right away that you're going to have to check your state's laws and that our forum posts aren't going to be particularly useful compared to that information. Some states are worse than others, some are better, and the full spectrum of friendly to lovely is covered depending on where you are.
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Sundae posted:Last week's re-org meeting featured the phrase "blue sky research" with the apparent definition of "research being done for the sake of research without advancing a project." In context, "no more blue sky research will be permitted; all research must be project-coded and have an approved project cost center. The days of research just to advance research are over." It sounds like you have the same consultancy selling their latest guidance to your execs as ours! Love to see that in the wild.
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CarForumPoster posted:No they won’t. Wait, it's probably illegal? Ok, no one will ever do that then, thank goodness.
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priznat posted:I’ve had about 3 “table flip” moments so far this week where I strongly considered saying “gently caress this poo poo” to my boss and peace out’ing. This isn’t even related to the problem employee but all the rapid fire pivots we are being forced to do along with the inevitable being around at 9pm to start tests on a new hilariously broken bit of software. And then getting poo poo because we didn’t check it again at midnight to ensure it was still running (script crashed because no one can test anything because we don’t have any systems available to test our infrastructure on). You've mentioned the problem person before, but in context: are you absolutely, positively sure that they're not just the only employee with normal work environment expectations? Because if they're wandering around in that situation repeating "what the gently caress?" in a progressively more plaintive tone of voice, they're probably not the problem.
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tactlessbastard posted:Our indefinitely postponed North American conference was supposed to have shared rooms and I was curious if anyone has ever actually done that before because it seems like such a a crazy ask. I'm told it's common in the nonprofit world.
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