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not to mention he proudly claims his genocidial tendencies
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Can someone explain to me a bit more what the terms "Originals" and "Original" mean? I presume the "Original" refers to ???? who turned into the Shadowlord, but what was special about his Gestalt process?
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Relevant to the Aerie (B playthrough) As far as I gathered, they were trying to either interact with Nier and give him the key without any trouble, or pretend they were all humans so he would just leave them alone. Once Nier says that he's going to kill "every last one" or something, the guard flips out and panics, turning into a shade and attacking Nier. I loved the battle with the random yelling of "It's my husband, he's a shade!" *slaughter shades, realise you just killed a "human" ladies husband*
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| # ? May 22, 2010 21:34 |
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Thievery posted:Relevant to the Aerie (B playthrough) As far as I gathered, they were trying to either interact with Nier and give him the key without any trouble, or pretend they were all humans so he would just leave them alone. Once Nier says that he's going to kill "every last one" or something, the guard flips out and panics, turning into a shade and attacking Nier. I loved the battle with the random yelling of "It's my husband, he's a shade!" *slaughter shades, realise you just killed a "human" ladies husband* Couldn't they have just mailed him the piece instead of forcing him to come to their lovely fake market? Also those wolves constantly attacked facade, that was established quite early on, Beeper was cool though.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 05:04 |
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I just got the game on Gamefly and I'm really liking a lot of the audio. The combat seems a little basic, does the magic get more interesting besides Dark Hand/Blast/Lance being used in mid combo?
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Garin posted:I just got the game on Gamefly and I'm really liking a lot of the audio. Not really. You get a couple of defensive spells which are a tiny bit interesting, but that's about the closest. You will get different weapon types (2H and Spear) a bit later.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 05:10 |
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Just finished ending D. I don't think I've ever seen a game do so much right and so much wrong at the same time. It's obvious the guys who made this grew up with video games and understand them far better than your average developers, but I can't help wishing they'd reigned in their natural desire to be dicks and just made a game that was completely awesome instead of awesome but intentionally flawed. All the genre switching was fantastic, but I think they found a way to put negative amounts of effort into balancing things; play on normal and you one-shot almost everything and have to spend a bunch of time actively not fighting to hear the in-battle dialogue, play on hard and spend half an hour on each boss. Most developers gently caress up difficulty settings, but this was especially egregious. It's going to be hard going back to other games now; the writing was just consistently orders of magnitude better than what we usually get. Music obviously fantastic and I'm sorta tempted by the DLC just for more of it, but hopefully it will be available elsewhere soon. Also surprised by the voice acting; mostly just sort of unobjectionable, but Weiss was fantastic and every so often someone else would hit a line out of the park. Especially fond of Devola and Popola when you run into them at the entrance of the Shadowlord's castle. I'm normally pretty unforgiving about games that have good presentation but do not stand up well mechanically, but somehow it completely failed to bother me here. The good stuff was just too good to get hung up on the bad stuff. Now I think I need to go play something cheerful like The Void.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 05:15 |
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I played on easy and I didn't have any problems with needing to stop fighting to hear all the in-battle dialogue, except (MAJOR SPOILER) when Popola flips out. Plus I had the Phoenix Spear which is like the "I win" button. Subsequent playthroughs are another matter though. And yeah regarding Facade on a second playthrough the "YOU SHOULD FEEL GUILTY FOR FIGHTING THIS WOLF" thing felt really shoehorned in. The wolves have been openly hostile to the humans as early as part 1 and unfailingly attack you on sight every time. Not a lot you can do to coexist with them when they're like that. Boss wolf guy implies that they attack humans because there were forests in that area once and now it's a desert and apparently it's the fault of the people who live in Facade in the present day, yeah whatever. Then the soldiers kill some of the hostile wolves and he retaliates by killing an innocent civilian. I had a hard time feeling sympathetic for them after that, even given the cutscene when you beat him. I do think Nier is a bit too bloodthirsty regarding the Shades in part 2 (I felt more guilty about that quest where you have to find a Shade in the town that the kid is trying to protect and then the Shade doesn't even attack you when you kill it, than the entire Facade thing) but on the other hand, they are kind of responsible for everything that's happened to him. Xythar fucked around with this message at May 23, 2010 around 05:54 |
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Xythar posted:Plus I had the Phoenix Spear which is like the "I win" button. It really is broken. The whole second half of the game the only 2 attacks I used were the dashing stab and the dodge -> wide swipe with the Phoenix Spear. Everything died in 1 hit on normal.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 05:49 |
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They should have made Phoenix Spear heavier or something
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| # ? May 23, 2010 05:50 |
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Or made it harder to get than "take boat to Facade, buy in store for nominal price" There are far harder weapons to get (like the one you get for the damaged map quest, good god that takes forever) that are completely useless by comparison. Also I like how by around level 40 you have like 200,000 HP. I can't think of too many other RPGs that do that (yeah I know Disgaea)
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Xythar posted:Subsequent playthroughs are another matter though. Wait, didn't the soldiers kill a bunch of young/non-hostile wolves because they didn't want to run the risk of them ruining the wedding? But yeah, the wolf shade is the least sympathetic of the bosses. It may have been intentional though. Not all shades are innocent people after all. I think they were just trying to show the other side of the conflict, not necessarily trying to make us feel bad for the wolves.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 06:09 |
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The wolf shade DOES call the other wolves back first time you fight them in the desert, though. Perhaps he has trouble controlling his pack 
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| # ? May 23, 2010 07:37 |
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you should feel sympathetic for the wolf, he and his pack are being hunted just as much as they are hunters
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Renoistic posted:The wolf shade DOES call the other wolves back first time you fight them in the desert, though. Perhaps he has trouble controlling his pack Just got the A-ending last night (wow, won't be forgetting that ending anytime soon), so I figure I can field this one to a degree. While you're in the desert the second time, Weiss points out that it's strange there are wolves there at all, as there's very little to eat. They must be half-starved. Likewise, the people of Facade are growing hungry and desperate as well. Both their leaders are trying to keep them in check, but something snaps and both sides go to war, and everyone suffers. Also, the opening for route B is spectacularly depressing. This is going to be like last time, but with heartstrings pulled to breaking point, right?
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Dominic White posted:Just got the A-ending last night (wow, won't be forgetting that ending anytime soon), so I figure I can field this one to a degree. As Irony or Death said, after Nier he's going to play a more cheerful game. Like The Void.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 09:16 |
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Well, rather than burn out and grind this game into un-funnitude, I just put my copy up on Playswap (formerly Goozex EU), and there's already requests for it. It's worth quite a bit, and that'll give me a few days to see the B route, and polish off the DLC. As there's apparently no extra content on the C/D route, I'll just youtube them and save myself a largely redundant playthrough. All in all, I reckon I got some really unique experiences, and will probably clock about 25-ish total hours playtime on this one. Was definitely worth the £15. Even better, as it'll likely get me another £25-30 worth of games in the long run. Definitely a game I'd reccomend as a long rental, at the very least. It's pretty rough in places, tech-wise, but (like its protagonist), it has a heart of gold. Dominic White fucked around with this message at May 23, 2010 around 12:30 |
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So besides gathering some other words, is there a point to killing the repeat of the first intro boss in the plains area going to the sea town that, well, kills you in one hit without a defense drop more than once?
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Garin posted:So besides gathering some other words, is there a point to killing the repeat of the first intro boss in the plains area going to the sea town that, well, kills you in one hit without a defense drop more than once? Nope. I killed him a bunch of times really early in the game, and he just drops a few words that are slightly better than what you would normally have at that point, plus he very rarely drops a Simple/Complex/Elaborate Machine, which you can get very easily later in the game. Pretty tedious to kill at that point too, it took me a few minutes of circling him and just hitting him with Dark Hand after he attacked to make sure I didn't die.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 19:04 |
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Welp, just got ending B. That was a tearjerker if I ever saw one. And I was totally on with my estimate too, it seems - whole thing took me 25 hours, 3 minutes. Well done Cavia. They've really grown as a studio. Can't wait to see what they do next - and as Nier has been a major hit in Japan, I hope they have a higher budget to play with next time round.
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| # ? May 23, 2010 20:23 |
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Just read about this game. Did they keep in the part about the chick having a penis. What the hell is with that?
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Philosopher King posted:Just read about this game. Did they keep in the part about the chick having a penis. What the hell is with that? It's something only really briefly touched upon and never directly admitted in-game. vvv no no no no NO NO NO NO we aren't going there again damnit cavia Policenaut fucked around with this message at May 23, 2010 around 21:09 |
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Policenaut posted:It's something only really briefly touched upon and never directly admitted in-game. Unless you get the DLC and use an alternate costume.
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Philosopher King posted:Just read about this game. Did they keep in the part about the chick having a penis. What the hell is with that? Google up "congenital adrenal hyperplasia".
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Policenaut posted:It's something only really briefly touched upon and never directly admitted in-game. Well, kinda. It IS apparently the reason why her entire village - a neverending festival of hateful, paranoid assholes it seems - considered her a mutant freak. Anyone else pick up on the crushingly depressing irony that the Aerie finally got over its fear of everything, apparently, and became the first human settlement to peacefully coexist with the shades... right up until Nier turns up and kills every last living creature within a two mile radius. Dominic White fucked around with this message at May 23, 2010 around 21:45 |
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Dominic White posted:Well, kinda. It IS apparently the reason why her entire village - a neverending festival of hateful, paranoid assholes it seems - considered her a mutant freak. I seriously love this game if there's one thing I don't quite feel as strongly about is how it almost promotes death as a good thing and the only release from humanty's nature Honest Thief fucked around with this message at May 23, 2010 around 22:02 |
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Honest Thief posted:and he doesn't feel that bad about it. What I liked more though was how during Ending B playthrough the villagers screams seemed mostly directed at Nier murdering everyone, instead at the reveal of the shades Well, in that case (and in general) Nier really isn't aware that the shades are anything but monsters - increasingly clever monsters, perhaps, but there's very little evidence he's seen that they're anything other than an evil to be destroyed. He's rushing around trying to 'save' the people from the shades that are around them, either unaware or in full-on denial that they're working together. On top of that, Kaine is fully aware of the full situation, but she deliberately keeps quiet, probably because she knows it would shatter Niers resolve if he knew he was actually killing innocent women and children as they begged for mercy. The characters in general are shockingly well written. Convincingly flawed, and utterly human.
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Just got to Facade for the first time, how far into the game am I? It feels like I'm still pushing through the beginning areas since there's been barely any weapons to get, and I want to upgrade my stuff but can't seem to get Titanium Alloys anymore since finishing the first quest in the Junk Heap. Am I correct in my assumption that the Nameless Sword actually becomes an awesome weapon when upgraded? Also upset that that quest automatically upgraded that sword instead of the one I was actually using. Any tips at this point would also be appreciated, like things to save up for, or look out for, even with minor spoilers if necessary.
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SpazmasterX posted:Just got to Facade for the first time, how far into the game am I? Not very far. There's a very defined halfway point that you're still some distance from. As for upgrading weapons, I found that I didn't need to do that at all, really. If you just buy stuff from stores now and then, you'll be more than well equipped for anything the game throws at you. Anything above level 1 on the late-game weapons is utterly overkill. I finished the whole game with two weapon upgrades, 70% of the weapons, and having fished a total of one time. I also never found the Niers field for growing stuff, so consider that skipped too.
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SpazmasterX posted:the Nameless Sword actually becomes an awesome weapon when upgraded? Also upset that that quest automatically upgraded that sword instead of the one I was actually using. Nope! It's poo poo all the way through! You're close to halfway through the game I think. Once you get to the second half you get access to all the best weapons almost immediately. As for Titanium Alloy, the Junk Heap is the only place to get them. Just wait till the second half and you should be able to farm them there really easily. If you want the absolute best weapon in the game go back to Facade in part 2 and buy the Phoenix Spear from the blacksmith. You can then destroy everything in the game with ease. Crowbear fucked around with this message at May 23, 2010 around 22:34 |
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Awesome, thanks for the tips. Little disappointed that I'm already almost halfway through and I only have 4~ hours clockedDominic White posted:I also never found the Niers field for growing stuff, so consider that skipped too. I too was wondering where that was until I found out that you unlock it by doing that one woman's quest to bring her 3 tulip bulbs from Seafront. You expand it by doing another one where you bring her 3 Bounty Fertilizers. It's worth the effort because she also becomes a store and you make double the money you spend.
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SpazmasterX posted:Awesome, thanks for the tips. Little disappointed that I'm already almost halfway through and I only have 4~ hours clocked You're actually not as close to halfway as I thought. You've still got a few dungeons to go. My memory of the first half is a little hazy since I haven't played it in a while  SpazmasterX posted:I too was wondering where that was until I found out that you unlock it by doing that one woman's quest to bring her 3 tulip bulbs from Seafront. You expand it by doing another one where you bring her 3 Bounty Fertilizers. It's worth the effort because she also becomes a store and you make double the money you spend. I found gardening to be the fastest way to make money. Other than that it's pretty useless. Crowbear fucked around with this message at May 23, 2010 around 22:50 |
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SpazmasterX posted:Awesome, thanks for the tips. Little disappointed that I'm already almost halfway through and I only have 4~ hours clocked You're about a third of the way through the first ending. Then you're get an extra 1/3 of the game added on for ending B, and you do get ending B. But yeah, you can complete the majority of the game in 20 hours. But it's a really good 20 hours
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So did anyone touch on what weapon weight does in the game? Is it the pause that happens when you connect with something or is it something even more inane?
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| # ? May 25, 2010 17:36 |
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Thievery posted:Relevant to the Aerie (B playthrough) As far as I gathered, they were trying to either interact with Nier and give him the key without any trouble, or pretend they were all humans so he would just leave them alone. Once Nier says that he's going to kill "every last one" or something, the guard flips out and panics, turning into a shade and attacking Nier. I loved the battle with the random yelling of "It's my husband, he's a shade!" *slaughter shades, realise you just killed a "human" ladies husband* 1) They didn't explain poo poo 2) It's Kaine's hometown and she's asleep for half of it so you don't get the added perspective like with the other bosses Dominic White posted:Well, kinda. It IS apparently the reason why her entire village - a neverending festival of hateful, paranoid assholes it seems - considered her a mutant freak.  Edit: This game is really pretty short on the extra playthroughs, had to struggle not to kill everything so I could see the dialogue in fights. Which quests were worth doing that actually added some story? I really liked the lighthouse series of quests, although I didn't do the Part2 grinding part of that. I loved when you had to deliver the final letter and instead of reverting to cheery outside music the entire city takes on the sad indoors music, perfect touch. THE AWESOME GHOST fucked around with this message at May 25, 2010 around 17:51 |
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Garin posted:So did anyone touch on what weapon weight does in the game? Is it the pause that happens when you connect with something or is it something even more inane? swing speed I believe, at least there's a noticable difference when going from the Iron Will, extra heavy, for the Phoenix Sword, moderate
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I really want more people to play this game, but it's tough for me to flatly recommend it to everyone. This makes me sad. Edit: I just realized that Number 6 looks like  . I will now forever see that when reading this forum.
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| # ? May 25, 2010 17:56 |
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Just got Ending B, looked at C and D on youtube. Kinda dissapointed in that I thought That moment where he hesitates to kill the shadowlord was going to be ending D. Instead of killing the shadowlord he gives up his body so he can be with the real Yonah. Guess not  THE AWESOME GHOST fucked around with this message at May 25, 2010 around 19:21 |
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Just got Ending B, looked at C and D on youtube. Kinda dissapointed in that I thought That was kind of my hope too going into it.
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Ending C/D spoilers: I thought that the trophy for 'fighting a person you care for' referred to Yonah - like I dunno, maybe Shade Yonah would go berserk since you're killing her drat father. But no, they centered it around the game's real main character some more. And real main character? Yeah! Because you never existed in Ending D! 
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