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Lilosh
Jul 13, 2001
I'm Lilosh with an OSHY

CaptainScraps posted:

She said "My grandfather is a very influential man in the environmental law world there."

A seriously conversation.

I...
errr...


Can you keep us updated on this? I kind of want to bookmark this conversation to revisit in two-three years for schadenfreude.

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Petey
Nov 25, 2005

I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but the Patriots secondary happeneth to them all.

- Ecclesiastes

CaptainScraps posted:

She said "My grandfather is a very influential man in the environmental law world there."

My grandfather, he is Eru Illuvatar, he hath sung the world into existence; alas, he cannot sing me an LSAT above 148.

mushi
Oct 13, 2003
I am addicted to video games.

the problem is that those people do go to law school and pass the bar and then you end up having to deal with them as actual lawyers with impact on your clients and life instead of just being able to dismiss them as delusional.

the craziest, most delusional person I know from law school got a job out of law school in a remote county as a DDA, and has since progressed to be a DDA in a real city. I can not imagine having to try a case against her, I think I'd have a nervous breakdown from the sheer amount of crazy I'd have to put up with. but such is life.

atlas of bugs
Aug 18, 2003

BOOTSTRAPPING
MILLIONAIRE
ONE-PERCENTER


the stories in this thread make me glad I performed anal sex on several law students while enrolled

like I've done my part

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004



mushi posted:

the problem is that those people do go to law school and pass the bar and then you end up having to deal with them as actual lawyers with impact on your clients and life instead of just being able to dismiss them as delusional.

not always, sometimes they spend 17 months unemployed and then become copywriters

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

make em go ah, ah, ah

CaptainScraps posted:

And she told me "I think you underestimate how smart I am."

I -ed and she got mad at me.
Just take the 10-8 method and nod and smile and wish them well. there is literally no way to reach these morons

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

make em go ah, ah, ah

CaptainScraps posted:

She said "My grandfather is a very influential man in the environmental law world there."

A seriously conversation.
or gently caress with her mercilessly, she sounds really a little retarded

JudicialRestraints
Oct 26, 2007

Are you a LAWYER? Because I'll have you know I got GOOD GRADES in LAW SCHOOL last semester. Don't even try to argue THE LAW with me.


Considering I go to Wisconsin, does anyone think that my professors actually expect me to be prepared for class tomorrow? (or IN class?)

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

JudicialRestraints posted:

Considering I go to Wisconsin, does anyone think that my professors actually expect me to be prepared for class tomorrow? (or IN class?)
Are you a 1L or 2/3L
If 1L, maybe. If 2/3L, no.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002


Every soup ladled to the hungry, every blanket draped over the cold signifies, in the final sense, a theft from my gigantic paycheck.

JudicialRestraints posted:

Considering I go to Wisconsin, does anyone think that my professors actually expect me to be prepared for class tomorrow? (or IN class?)

No.

GamingOdor
Jun 8, 2001
The stench of chips.

JudicialRestraints posted:

Considering I go to Wisconsin, does anyone think that my professors actually expect me to be prepared for class tomorrow? (or IN class?)

If you had tenure would you bother driving through snow?

quepasa18
Oct 13, 2005


JudicialRestraints posted:

Considering I go to Wisconsin, does anyone think that my professors actually expect me to be prepared for class tomorrow? (or IN class?)

My classes aren't canceled, and I live in Green Bay. But I would understand if people didn't show up. Plus, my first class isn't until 3:30, so I can still watch the parade when the team comes home and make it to class on time.

atlas of bugs
Aug 18, 2003

BOOTSTRAPPING
MILLIONAIRE
ONE-PERCENTER


Just got a job as a barista;

the cycle is complete.

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post


atlas of bugs posted:

Just got a job as a barista;

the cycle is complete.

Congrats on the job, seriously.


At GULC they are getting ready for the SBA elections, and I really really want to pick some random 1Ls and nominate them for a bunch of positions, but I think I might get in trouble (you can't anonymously nominate).

wacko_-
Mar 29, 2004


I just finished a phone interview with the USPTO. This, two weeks after receiving an email saying that the vacancy was closed. Nice.

Now to walk the neighborhood dogs so I can pay for slightly optimistic beers tonight.
Save me Obama!!

P.S. The coffee shop here wasn't hiring.

Dantu
Nov 3, 2006

No one likes us
- we don't care.

I remember reading about how law schools magically create/find temporary jobs right before February 15th to boost their employment numbers for US News. Let's just say I got a phone call from my Career Services today about an exciting temporary position that is now open.

Also, unemployment month 7 begins and I get sworn in next month

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004



Dantu posted:

I remember reading about how law schools magically create/find temporary jobs right before February 15th to boost their employment numbers for US News. Let's just say I got a phone call from my Career Services today about an exciting temporary position that is now open.

Also, unemployment month 7 begins and I get sworn in next month

It is your duty to stay unemployed for 6 months (or at least lie and say you did). DRAG ALL LAW SCHOOLS TO HELL except for I guess the ones that go up in the ranks to replace your alma mater

Manifest Dynasty
Feb 29, 2008


I have nothing to add to this thread, but to say that I want to go back in time and punch the face of every single person who told me I would "enjoy" and/or "be good at" law. And then slap my old self silly.

I should have stopped with my one semi-useless degree and zero debt.

Napoleon I
Oct 31, 2005

Goons of the Fifth, you recognize me. If any man would shoot his emperor, he may do so now.

Lilosh posted:

gently caress. gently caress.

I have an interview and an alternate slot for the NYU PILF next week and this makes me think that they're just dicking around the 1Ls and not really hiring.

Maybe our Career Services/Public Interest office is right and you're wrong... but I doubt it

PILF sounds like some horrifying, weekend-web inspired variation on MILF.

Lilosh
Jul 13, 2001
I'm Lilosh with an OSHY

Napoleon I posted:

PILF sounds like some horrifying, weekend-web inspired variation on MILF.

Yeah, we've made a few PILF jokes. (If it wasn't mentioned previously, it actually stands for Public Interest Law Fair)

The Warszawa
Jun 6, 2005

Say my name.


Lilosh posted:

Yeah, we've made a few PILF jokes. (If it wasn't mentioned previously, it actually stands for Public Interest Law Fair)

The best part is that it's actually PILC Fair - Public Interest Law Career Fair. Fair isn't part of the acronym.

billion dollar bitch
Jul 20, 2005

To drink and fight.
To fuck all night.


Oh I thought PILF was public interest law fund, which is the fund that gives us money for doing public interest.

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

billion dollar bitch posted:

Oh I thought PILF was public interest law fund, which is the fund that gives us money for doing public interest.

For Duke it's the Public Interest Law Foundation.

http://www.law.duke.edu/student/act...pilfauction.htm

Check out the firms that donated in 2008. See if you can spot the goon firm.

Dallan Invictus
Oct 11, 2007

The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes, look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.

I doubt we have any Quebecois in this thread, so the reasoning behind the provincial prosecutors deciding to go on strike will remain a mystery, but I figured you guys would get a kick out of it one way or another:

CBC posted:

Quebec's legal system is expected to come to a near halt Tuesday as about 1,500 government lawyers, including 450 Crown prosecutors, are on strike a day after last-minute talks failed.

(...)

The Crown Prosecutors Association has said lawyers are overworked and underpaid compared to colleagues in other provinces, causing what they say is the longest backlog of cases in the country.

Quebec prosecutors are the lowest paid in Canada, topping out at about $102,000 a year. Their Ontario counterparts earn as much as $196,000 annually. The lawyers are asking for 200 new positions and a pay increase of about 40 per cent.

Professional solidarity and all, but I don't feel like they've thought their plan all the way through (even though Quebec is likely the most worker-friendly province in the country).

poofactory
May 5, 2003

by T. Finn


Dallan Invictus posted:

I doubt we have any Quebecois in this thread, so the reasoning behind the provincial prosecutors deciding to go on strike will remain a mystery, but I figured you guys would get a kick out of it one way or another:


Professional solidarity and all, but I don't feel like they've thought their plan all the way through (even though Quebec is likely the most worker-friendly province in the country).

Yeah, I tried that before a judge when a client stopped paying my fees. Didn't work out they way I thought it would.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

SIC SEMPER TYRANNOSAURUS




http://bearlawyer.wordpress.com/

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

Baruch Obamawitz posted:



http://bearlawyer.wordpress.com/

Thank you for this. I might make it to lunch now.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!

I didn't see a 'what does a corporate lawyer do all day' in the first post. Since in my experience more lawyers end up on the corporate than the litigation track, I figured this might be interesting to some. Full disclosure: I'm currently a mid-level corporate associate with the overseas office of a New York firm.

Morning: Starts at 9am. For our firm, including in the NY mothership, it's usually 9.30. However, the local partnership has strong feelings on the matter and if there's one thing that's always worth doing, it's conforming to local standards set by the people that pay you.

After the mandatory Pacific Coffee Co coffee I prepare a client memo. The client's in-house lawyer emailed overnight to asking a bunch of questions about local regulatory issues in respect of a proposed transaction. The lazy answer is to explain the statute; the necessary answer is to then go on and explain that the statute isn't worth a bucketfull of warm spit because in practice the requisite licenses and permits are never granted to foreign invested companies whatever the law says. Overall the questions are good and interesting ones that would require about 8 hours to research and answer properly; I have 3 and do the best I can. I send the memo to the partner for signoff before sending to the client: it's about 50/50 whether she will in fact do so.

12:30 One of our financial intermediary clients wants a document turned urgently. It's a fairly simple loan guarantee tangentially related to a deal I worked on for them last year. After reading and providing some fairly minor markups I send it back to them. Once you have been doing the job for a couple of years, partners won't generally want to check this kind of thing, although you should of course copy them when you send it.

1:30 Lunch. Here, we usually get the full hour - one of the nice things about working in my part of the world. People don't eat sandwiches at their desks here.

2:15 Day really starts. The partner I am working for wants a detailed step-plan setting out how one of our clients will do a particular type of investment and what
documents and approvals are needed. I nod convincingly, and then delegate to a paralegal who has been here for 10 years and knows this sort of thing backwards. I'll check it later. While she's attacking the first draft, I deal with the partner, who has given me a ton of comments on the morning's memo. Approximately none are substantial; the remainder are stylistic and two involve her correcting my (correct) grammar to make it wrong (this is common outside home jurisdictions - in this case the partner is not a native English speaker but is used to being the best English speaker among people she is dealing with. C'est la vie). I then turn the memo and send it out.

4:00 I dial in to a conference call with the second client to discuss their comments to a document I sent out yesterday. While the call is ongoing:

4:02 Another client wants to call me urgently. My secretary tells them I'm on a call.

4:03 The client sends me a panicked email asking if I'm available. I email back that I'm in a meeting.

4:04 The client sends me another panicked email, copying in his boss and my partner, saying that he can't get hold of me. I fume, quietly. My partner emails to ask why I'm not calling said client. I remind her that I'm on another client call.

4:05 The client sends me yet another email with their question. They set up an SPV and want a pdf copy of its formal ownership documents as part of an internal audit. The audit date is next week. I am rapidly losing the will to live.

4:30 Still on my call. Another partner emails me to say I've been staffed on an exciting new deal. Briefing will be at 5:45pm.

5:45pm. The call continues, although every issue of substance has by now been covered, re-covered and buried under a crossroads with a stake through its heart. I drop off to attend the briefing.

At the briefing, the instructing partner excitedly tells me about the commercial rationale for the deal. This is interesting but completely irrelevant to what he then asks me to do, which is to analyse potential disclosure requirements. This task involves going through quite tediously written statute and a bunch of specialist books, to provide a rationale for telling our client that they have to disclose something so obviously market sensitive information that a five-year-old could have worked out they had to do so.

After the briefing I mark up the steplist that the paralegal prepared for me and send it to the partner for signoff. She signs off and I forward it to the client.

7:00pm. I call my wife and tell her I won't be home for dinner. She is also a lawyer, a situation that is depressingly common among my peers.

I get some food from a local takeaway and start working on the research task.

10:00pm. I receive a panicked email from a junior at the financial intermediary client. Can I join a conference call at 11:00pm to discuss funds flow for a deal that is closing later this week? I say 'yes' because one never says 'no' without a very good reason and I don't have one. With sinking heart I forward to my secretary for printing the funds flow memo that the junior has thoughtfully attached to his email.

10:30pm. I stop the research task to take a look at the funds flow memo, which was prepared by the deal accountants. There are a lot of typos, including my name, and the accountants appear not to understand the deal structure. Again, this kind of thing is relatively rare in home markets (London, NY, San Fran etc.) but more common here in Asia where quality control is less consistent.

11:00pm. I dial in to the funds flow call. Accountants and other professional advisers have also dialed in.

11:05pm. Still on the funds flow call. But where is the client?

11:15pm. The client emails. Something came up. Can we do the call at 11:45pm? Applying the rule of 'no good excuse', the answer is 'yes'. I try to get more work done on the research task.

11:45pm. We do the call. The client is late. It's pretty dull.

12:30am. Call ends and I start finishing the research task.

12:45am. The client emails. He's on the road. Can I summarise something I sent him in a pdf yesterday that he hasn't read yet? He needs to see the redline on his blackberry. Oh joy. There is no-one but me in the office now so I ask the NY office to help. Jolene in wordprocessing is nice but dim and I end up having to do it myself.

1:15am. I send the client his markup in a form he can see on the blackberry. Truly, I am a God of the Redline.

2.00am. I finish the research task and send an email summary to the partner. Tomorrow he will copy and paste it into an email he sends to the client.

2.15am. I finish doing timesheets for all of the above and go home. The taxi driver regales me with interesting stories of how much the city has changed in his day. I seriously consider suicide.

Incidentally this wasn't too stressful and counts as a 'good' day. A bad day is one in which you are given mutually exclusive objectives and the quest-givers then make themselves unavailable for comment. Bad days are fairly uncommon, but they really suck.

Vander
Aug 16, 2004

I am my own hero.


That's.... busy. Can you say what city/ nation you are working in?

Colorblind Pilot
Dec 29, 2006
Enageg!1

Beefeater1980 posted:



Wow that sounds terrible. Is this what it's like for pretty much all associates working in corporate law?

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Colorblind Pilot posted:

Wow that sounds terrible. Is this what it's like for pretty much all associates working in corporate law?
Corporate work is miserable if you are busy.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!

@colorblind pilot. It's not that bad. I live in a bubble where nearly everyone I meet works in law and finance and a lot of them have similar lives. There's huge positive reinforcement that goes on with that.

@Vander. Hong Kong.

For what it's worth, Mrs. Beefeater is a couple years senior to me and pushing for partnership in her firm soon, and has much better hours. A lot depends on your specific practice group and the partners/clients you work for. M&A for mostly finance sector firms, which is what I do, tends to be time intensive because deals have to be done within a certain window for financial and confidentiality reasons.

srsly
Aug 1, 2003



Baruch Obamawitz posted:



http://bearlawyer.wordpress.com/

These are fantastic.

I very much enjoy the numerous strips highlighting Bear Lawyer's obvious alcoholism. So realistic.

srsly fucked around with this message at Feb 8, 2011 around 17:33

PapalRain
Aug 14, 2008


Assuming I am going to die alone and be miserable eventually, can somebody tell me about WUSTL? It's at least moderately likely now that I will go there, though I'm still waiting on other schools to get back to me, but I know nothing about St. Louis.

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post


PapalRain posted:

Assuming I am going to die alone and be miserable eventually, can somebody tell me about WUSTL? It's at least moderately likely now that I will go there, though I'm still waiting on other schools to get back to me, but I know nothing about St. Louis.

Are you from that area? Do you have family in the area?

What have you done before law school? Work? Grad school? Straight through from undergrad?

It's never too late for us to try to convince a goon not to go.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

PapalRain posted:

Assuming I am going to die alone and be miserable eventually, can somebody tell me about WUSTL? It's at least moderately likely now that I will go there, though I'm still waiting on other schools to get back to me, but I know nothing about St. Louis.
Are they throwing a lot of money at you? WUSTL is expensive. Like even more than many law schools expensive.

I was mostly choosing between WUSTL and UMN, both offering near full rides. I picked UMN partially because I lived in MN and wouldn't need to move and partially because St. Louis didn't seem like my kind of town.
WUSTL has probably a better or well known name in the legal world than other ~20 ranked schools. I think it is actually because people remember that it is weird that Washington University is in St. Louis, but they know it is a good school too.
If you're going for free or almost free, it might not be a terrible choice.

If you're paying full-ride and taking out loans, I would avoid anything in below the T14 (and maybe deeper into that). Which means, if it will cost you a notable amount of dollars to go to WUSTL, and you haven't gotten into a T14, DON'T GO TO LAW SCHOOL.

commish
Sep 17, 2009



Colorblind Pilot posted:

Wow that sounds terrible. Is this what it's like for pretty much all associates working in corporate law?

My experiences are vastly different, but I know it can vary firm by firm, practice group by practice group.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan
May 5, 2003
Kharibdus is hardcore


Lawyer & Law School Megathread #13: "I seriously consider suicide...counts a 'good' day."

billion dollar bitch
Jul 20, 2005

To drink and fight.
To fuck all night.


I seriously do not want to work those hours. Beefeater (lol you are named after alcohol), how much of this is your life?

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TheBestDeception
Nov 28, 2007


billion dollar bitch posted:

I seriously do not want to work those hours. Beefeater (lol you are named after alcohol), how much of this is your life?

Work for a state. I enjoy my job and have awesome hours... and you can, too. (Of course there is a downside - thanks IBR!)

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