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entris posted:Are you from that area? Do you have family in the area? nm posted:Are they throwing a lot of money at you? WUSTL is expensive. Like even more than many law schools expensive. Not from the area, don't have family in the area. Won't matter (kind of) because my parents plan on moving back to China relatively soon. Planning on going straight through from undergrad. Before you try to dissuade me, I pretty much wrote my personal statement with the OP and the rest of the thread in mind. Additionally, my brother graduated from law school last year and is at a biglaw firm in D.C. (pretty much working from 7 to 9 six days a week). I've talked to him as well as to a lot of his friends, some of whom are being crushed by the job market, so I've heard the advice in the OP a couple of times now but also enough personal encouragement to still want to go. Having read most of this thread, I wouldn't consider going if they weren't throwing significant amounts of money at me (they are). I haven't heard back from most of the other schools I've applied to, including T14s, but unless they throw cash at me in the same quantities that WUSTL has, St. Louis still seems like it's going to be a pretty good choice. GWU (is that the right acronym) has accepted me, and D.C. is pretty appealing, but it doesn't really seem like they're the type to give me piles of cash for going and I doubt it's worth doubling my eventual debt to go there.
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PapalRain posted:Not from the area, don't have family in the area. Won't matter (kind of) because my parents plan on moving back to China relatively soon. Planning on going straight through from undergrad. Before you try to dissuade me, I pretty much wrote my personal statement with the OP and the rest of the thread in mind. Additionally, my brother graduated from law school last year and is at a biglaw firm in D.C. (pretty much working from 7 to 9 six days a week). I've talked to him as well as to a lot of his friends, some of whom are being crushed by the job market, so I've heard the advice in the OP a couple of times now but also enough personal encouragement to still want to go. I don't know how accurate my information really is so take it with a grain of salt, but I had a full-tuition offer from WUSTL and I ended up passing it up after reading a few folk talk about how the St. Louis and other area firms were hyper-paranoid about people skipping out. Apparently people who'd grown up in the area, had family and friends there, and planned to stay there were getting grilled about whether they were really committed to the area. I suspect that's not technically as much of an issue in a place like Chicago, but there you're also competing directly with UChicago, Northwestern, the lower ranked ones in city with strong alumni networks, and every other T14 grad targeting a market-paying firm. Again, I don't have solid statistical data, just anecdotal here.
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PapalRain posted:GWU (is that the right acronym) No. It's GW.
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Beefeater, how easy is it to get a job in Hong Kong? I'm a tax lawyer in New Zealand (focusing on international tax planning) and I'm thinking about moving to do tax advice in Hong Kong in a couple of years. Is it as ridiculously competitive as London firms or do I maybe have a chance?
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TheBestDeception posted:Work for a state. I enjoy my job and have awesome hours... and you can, too. (Of course there is a downside - thanks IBR!) I'll second this. I work for the state, as a senior policy analyst tasked with handling legislative issues for my agency. So I spend time with the law, but working from the policy side of things. I get to do a lot of research and analysis (which I love), get to be part of the legislative machine (I am, strictly speaking, a lobbyist for my agency), and put in 40 hours a week. The downside is, of course, the pay. It's good, but not as good as big law. Although, the hourly rate probably works out to be the same, given the time some of those poor souls have to put in. Plus, I am in a protected, permanent position. Now if we can just solve our state budget issues so we can get raises...
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Daico posted:Apparently people who'd grown up in the area, had family and friends there, and planned to stay there were getting grilled about whether they were really committed to the area. I think it's more if you have no ties to the area and go to Wash U and end up loving it, too bad - don't expect to get a job without ties to the area. People in St. Louis love their own kind and don't believe anyone else would ever want to voluntary live there. If you have ties to St. Louis already, I don't think going to Wash. U is going to leave you terribly crippled although I don't think it puts you above a school like SLU and is probably much more expensive. WSTL seems to send their grads all over - which can be a positive or a negative - if you do or don't know where you want to end up yet, but if you know the region you want to be in, you'll probably have a lot more employers coming to OCI from that region if you pick a school that has a hold on that particular geographic market. St. Louis is a fun city though.
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PapalRain posted:Assuming I am going to die alone and be miserable eventually, can somebody tell me about WUSTL? It's at least moderately likely now that I will go there, though I'm still waiting on other schools to get back to me, but I know nothing about St. Louis. I went to undergrad at WashU (it's called WashU, not WUSTL). The campus sucks. Terribly. They used to have huge awesome buildings that won architectural awards and were awesome. Starting six or seven years ago, they began dismantling their huge awesome buildings and replacing them with drywall pieces of poo poo. I'm very resentful about this and tell them so every time they beg me for money. Also, there are plenty of super cheap but nice places to live within biking distance, which is nice since you shouldn't own a car. The roads there make no sense. Like, the map was drawn by a second grader. Pershing Ave. intersects itself. Also their parking nazis are in fact nazis. The law school has a nice enough building though. Unless they replaced that too. Which I wouldn't put past them.
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HooKars posted:WSTL seems to send their grads all over - which can be a positive or a negative - if you do or don't know where you want to end up yet, but if you know the region you want to be in, you'll probably have a lot more employers coming to OCI from that region if you pick a school that has a hold on that particular geographic market.
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Jesus christ I am hosed (saved?) I just got rejected from Santa Clara university. They were one of my safety schools.
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nm posted:I think this is a positive. Of non T14, non California schools, I suspect WUSTL has the best name recognition in CA. Sure but if you know you want to be in California, you should probably pick a California school over WashU. They're going to have some name recognition and some CA employers at their OCI but not as many or as much as UCLA or USC. Although I'm not sure I believe that. I feel like a lot of people have heard of and have a basic sense of respect for schools like UT and Notre Dame and UNC and a lot of people have never heard of WashU or get it confused. But I'm from the east coast and really had no idea it was a good school for either undergrad or law school until recently. My mind kind of skipped over the midwest with the exception of Notre Dame. I didn't mind having a car in St. Louis at all and probably wouldn't want to live there without one. They used to be doing all kinds of crazy construction on the highways but its pretty much done with now and so traffic has sorted itself out. The MetroLink doesn't go to all areas of the city and the bus routes are really obnoxious. They sweep the streets every Monday and Friday in Clayton so you had to move your car to the other side of the street but it wasn't a huge deal.
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HooKars posted:Sure but if you know you want to be in California, you should probably pick a California school over WashU. They're going to have some name recognition and some CA employers at their OCI but not as many or as much as UCLA or USC. That said, i think Northern California (except government) is a bit more knowledgeable about out of state law schools than most places. It has attracted a lot of out-of-state talent, which means you're more likely to have firms with experience with students from places like UT or WUSTL. quote:Although I'm not sure I believe that. I feel like a lot of people have heard of and have a basic sense of respect for schools like UT and Notre Dame and UNC and a lot of people have never heard of WashU or get it confused. But I'm from the east coast and really had no idea it was a good school for either undergrad or law school until recently. My mind kind of skipped over the midwest with the exception of Notre Dame. Notre Dame and UNC are basically football teams out here. (I'm not talking about lay people, just among lawyers.)
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nm posted:Well, yes, at least in the top schools, but those are pretty much all T14s. Below about UC Davis (maybe Hastings), I'd say WUSTL will sell better than like Loyola or McGeorge (T2s). Well, he's getting substantial money apparently from WUSTL, which is ranked #19. So USC, ranked at #18 and UCLA, ranked at #15 seem like decent comparison schools and definite possibilities for him, although UCLA might not offer him as much money. I'm not sure why a T2 would even be on his radar. Just saying, if he knows what region he wants to work in after he graduates, he might be better off looking at similarly ranked schools in that region since he'll be a contender at top schools in those regions. Depends on where he gets in and what they offer though.
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HooKars posted:Well, he's getting substantial money apparently from WUSTL, which is ranked #19. So USC, ranked at #18 and UCLA, ranked at #15 seem like decent comparison schools and definite possibilities for him, although UCLA might not offer him as much money. I'm not sure why a T2 would even be on his radar. I'm just saying if you we're talking about national reputation, WUSTL has a better reputation and most similarly ranked schools. (I excluded california school from my first statement anyhow)
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Enigma89 posted:Jesus christ I am hosed (saved?) I just got rejected from Santa Clara university. They were one of my safety schools. Safety schools reject you to keep their admittance rate down.
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Well, the 2011 Cooley Law School Rankings are out!!quote:1. Harvard Law School
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ahahaha they are gaming their own rankings
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Fordham above Stanford, the way it should be.
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Northeastern's not even in the top 50  YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME COOLEY????
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NYU > Columbia, Cooley rankings' credibility substantially eroded.
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Boston College Law School...still outranking South Texas College of Law and John Marshall Law School  Oh and the University of Chicago.
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http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/nfl_analogy.html
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But wait, here's the best part. We'll put ourselves at number two instead of number one, so it will look totally legit. 
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Eh, most laypeople's knowledge of law school rankings is probably something like: 1 - Harvard 2 - The nearby TTT that all the local politicians oozed out of Everything else I think Cooley figures as long as it puts Harvard at the top most people will just go with the list. Really digging how Cooley ranks itself #1 for total enrollment AND for first-year matriculation.
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drat Phantom posted:Eh, most laypeople's knowledge of law school rankings is probably something like: Also digging Stanford all the way down at #30. Nobody remembers Stanford, they can get away with that probably. Suffolk's gaining on them. Go Suffolk.
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Oh god, my Cornell degree will be WORTHLESS now. #34 is terrible and I should probably drop out rather than graduate from such a TTT.  edit: at least I don't go to Chicago
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Elotana posted:http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/nfl_analogy.html God that's not even remotely coherent
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Anybody care to comment on how substantive the Cooley grants are? They're #1 in in % of Full-time Students Receiving Grants. Looks like you don't even have to be median to get money at Cooley. Clearly it is an institution for the people EDIT: http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/nfl_list.html Oh god they just shunted Aaron Rodgers to the top of the QB list with a big "THIS JUST IN" sticker to point out that law school elitism would have cut out the super bowl MVP Damn Phantom fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Feb 9, 2011 |
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Cooley thinks Wake Forest isn't worthy of the top 50. I agree. Wake has a horrible basketball team this year.
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Elotana posted:http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/nfl_analogy.html I can't believe this is real Whoever writes these things must be comically evil, twirling their mustache and laughing.
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drat Phantom posted:Anybody care to comment on how substantive the Cooley grants are? They're #1 in in % of Full-time Students Receiving Grants. Looks like you don't even have to be median to get money at Cooley. Clearly it is an institution for the people http://www.cooley.edu/prospective/scholarships.html Like that?
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Alaemon posted:http://www.cooley.edu/prospective/scholarships.html That's actually really generous assuming they don't do something like section stack all the scholarship kids against each other. Then again, having 75% of >3,000 students paying sticker makes a large pool of money they can dole out scholarships with.
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Alaemon posted:http://www.cooley.edu/prospective/scholarships.html This reminds me of a Jos. A. Bank sale.
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They have a category for transfer students... Has anyone every transferred IN to Cooley?
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Omerta posted:They have a category for transfer students... Has anyone every transferred IN to Cooley? TRANSFERS IN 2 TRANSFERS OUT 185
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Linguica posted:Let's see... I have an old spreadsheet from 2008... I like to imagine those 2 as MA/JD students in Journalism from Columbia or maybe just heroes of irony
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Linguica posted:Well, the 2011 Cooley Law School Rankings are out!! This list is totally legit.
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I just love how they brag about having affordable education because they hand out so many grants to cut down on their otherwise outrageous tuition costs (which as I understand it they revoke once your grades drop, which they will because their curve is designed to make you lose your free money) just have low tuition if you're going to brag about being affordable, don't be sleazy cooley
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Ainsley McTree posted:don't be sleazy cooley
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