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De Nomolos posted:Ok, I can't believe I'm considering this now. 1: Do you like what you're currently doing? 2: Do you know what the actual attorneys do every day? 3: Do you know how unlikely it is you'll get a job doing that after you graduate law school? 4: Do you know that so many people are confident they can handle it that last year alone law schools graduated more aspiring lawyers than there are hiring positions for the next several years? If you really are thinking about this, go and study for the LSAT. Go back to the OP and read everything posted about how to do this. Then you'll at least know whether you should even consider law school.
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echopapa posted:Dear Goon Bar Counsel, Are you referring to your moral obligation as a human being or as a lawyer? All I remember from legal ethics is that these are usually diametrically opposite.
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Jul 29, 2011 03:57
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echopapa posted:Basically I want this guy to be humiliated without me losing my license. Yeah. I think your duty as a not worthless human being is to make it viral. As an attorney, I don't know. I want to think it's ok because they're not your client and it's publicly available, but I have no clue.
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Adar posted:e: this might be terrible legal advice, but I'm outta here, suckas Exactly. Our "ethical" rules are just hosed sometimes.
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Would the authors of the OP object to my blatantly ripping it off into a powerpoint presentation I want to give? A bunch of undergrads from an organization I was in have contacted me about law school and the lsat. I only want to give the no jobs, die alone speech once.
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Green Crayons posted:Ahoy. Sup fellow law student who doesn't know what the gently caress in Secured Transactions.
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I'm taking the class right now - It's just not clicking with me. Any suggestions on study materials to help?
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nm posted:Is it just me or is this thread less doom and gloom? 3L. No job prospects. Dear god why did I go to law school? That better?
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Neko Sou posted:but I've been doing unpaid stuff with no hope of employment, so we'll see how things go next year. Next year you discover that it's possible to have negative hope.
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Upheld, 9 opinions (but really just a mess of partial concurrences and dissents), and a majority votes against each and every rationale given for upholding.
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Nov 14, 2011 19:14
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Time for the commerce clause drinking game. The rule is simple: Drink!
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So do I take bankruptcy to diversify my "skill set" or do I just gently caress around with seminars so I have less to do my last semester while I try and find a job?
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At my internship last summer the 16 year old high school part-time worker had to teach me how to fill out and file forms at the courthouse.
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The Warszawa posted:Anyone else have the November-of-2L "gently caress this stupid loving field and everyone in it why am I even here?" collapse of depression and anger? I'm finally getting this as a 3L. It's been building ever since the end of 1L. I guess I knew 1L was supposed to be miserable so it didn't bother me that it was. By this point I can't hide from the nagging doubts that I never should have gone to law school, that I am not the unique snowflake I thought I was when I applied, and that assuming I can get a job in the profession, I'm not sure I won't be an alcoholic within 5 years. Shouldn't have gone. Don't have a job. Definitely going to die alone.
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MoFauxHawk posted:We need this thread to seem as non-nerdy and non-inside-jokey and non-alienating as possible so that our self-deceiving friends who are thinking about making bad law school--related decisions are more likely to take it seriously. Or we should do the exact opposite so they instead run screaming lest they become us.
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sigmachiev posted:Do we have any Cardozo goons? I know we're repped by pretty much everywhere else (that's T60). By different you mean no one has bothered studying yet even though we're a day out. All the 3Ls are busy trying to find jobs, we don't have time for class.
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Ersatz posted:My wife left me on Tuesday. I billed 15 hours on Wednesday. Do not go. My condolences.
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sigmachiev posted:Does anyone have an issue checklist for Admin? I'm going through GoonShare and I'm not coming across one (some good stuff though that's helping out in other ways). What is GoonShare?
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Received my grades today. In the class that I was positive I failed because I barely did any work I got a B. In the class I studied my rear end off, felt super prepared for, and walked out feeling like I had a definite A, I got a C+. Why do I keep expecting law school to make sense?
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Green Crayons posted:Wow that smilie is named after you. How did you accomplish that poo poo? Other than your weird "I'm a Brit practising the English law in ye olde colonies, eh? FEED ME BANGERS AN MASH, CHEERS" thing you're doing. That's you, right? I get you and the Roman bust avatar confused. The smiley comes from a discussion in the Roman History thread about whether modern society has regressed from the standards set by classical civilizations. Link: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3486446&userid=183787#post406735667
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EvilJimmyCarter posted:I'm in New York, which is a judicial foreclosure state. From what I understand, the grant specifically funds "legal representation and counseling to individuals facing foreclosure of their home and tenants facing homelessness as a result of foreclosure." My understanding is that the position will be pretty narrow in that sense, but I would imagine some consumer protection/bankruptcy stuff would be involved just because of the nature of foreclosure. Down in Florida when we get a foreclosure defense case it's usually just a matter of trolling the bank's lawyer for 6 months over the bank's horribly lovely paper trail.
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Omerta posted:Seems like the system is: There is also dicking around with the banks over lack of proper documentation and repeated motions to dismiss for lack of standing because the bank takes half a dozen tries to get their poo poo together and present the right paperwork to the court showing they own the mortgage. At this point I'm convinced that the warehouse they store the Ark of the Covenant in at the end of Indiana Jones is mostly filled with mortgage assignments.
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Agesilaus posted:I don't see what's funny, it's someone who studies the Classics but then fails to apply the lessons learnt. Is this what irony is?
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Pertplus posted:I was mostly just wondering if the whole "no jobs, die alone" thing applied even if I don't care about getting a biglaw / big$$ job. Let me put it this way, I graduated top 40% from a top 30 school in a very big legal market. I'm currently working for free at a small town general practice firm in the hopes that getting experience might help me land a job back in the big city. My friend who graduated in the top 30% hasn't even found someone who would let her work for free just to gain experience in the field and is considering taking up welding because welders are in much higher demand than lawyers where we are. tl;dr: Get your math degree and make a ton of money with it.
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evilweasel posted:You should pretty much always be copying language for contracts that's already got a definitive interpretation whenever possible. It's been my experience that every time an attorney has an original thought it's usually a bad one.
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nm posted:Maybe in transactional. I've seen some real special arguments in litigation recently. Did you know caselaw can prejudice your client and is unfair for the court to consider? Neither did the judge...
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winvirus posted:Hey, question. I'm graduating soon with a BS in Computer Science/prelaw minor from a really good school (georgia tech). If I was interested in patent lawyering does it matter really where I get my law degree, like if I got my JD from a T2 school (ie georgia state) would that hurt me a lot or is it just the CS degree that matters most One of my classmates at UGA Law tried doing exactly this after getting his Comp Sci degree at Tech. In the end he went back to just doing software engineering full time because of the better job market in that field. You've got a good enough backup plan so a fair bit comes down to if you can get a scholarship out of GA State versus paying full tuition at a place like Emory.
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LordPants posted:It'd be really great to graduate and find that my life is spent on tenants and landlords like the Law Questions Thread. There's also foreclosure defense!
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joat mon posted:Thank you for not putting "Juris Doctor expected, May 2015." That's what my OCS told everyone to put.
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BigHead posted:I'm so incredibly happy I'm not sure I remember this emotion.
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TenementFunster posted:Yeah, I'm sure being at literally the absolute top of his profession has given him a lot to feel resentful for. You saying you wouldn't feel resentful about spending a decade sitting next to Scalia?
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sigmachiev posted:Who's the worst? Kennedy.
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Circlewave posted:turn down even that? i'll be assisted with cost of living, so by my reckoning, principal on the debt wouldn't exceed 80k. the school i've got half tuition at is ranked lower than the ones i have quarter from - if i were able to get that offer increased, would it be worth it then? what's the amount of debt, by your estimate, that would make attending a non T14 tier 1 worthwhile I went to a non T14 Tier One on a 90% tuition scholarship. It wasn't worth it.
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Circlewave posted:geez, i'm sorry to hear that man. what makes you say that it wasn't worth it, though? not to make you spill your whole life story or anything. At a top 25 school you have a decent shot (like 50%) at an entry level job if the school is in a good market. Of course, entry level job is more likely to be in the $30K - $40K range doing doc review or if lucky at a smaller firm. That being said, I never really had a burning desire to be a lawyer. I bought into the hype that law was a safe, well paying profession so I applied. The opportunity cost isn't worth it because I spent 2 years of my life on additional schooling for a poo poo job market, low salaries, and a restructuring profession. (I say 2 years because if I hadn't gone to law school I would have taken a 5th year of undergrad to finish a comp sci degree. Oops). Some of my classmates have jobs and even kind of enjoy them, but most of my friends are still either unemployed or doing doc review for 60 hours a week. It's also really difficult for many of us to fall back on our undergrad degrees because that "J.D." is a faster way to get your resume thrown out than submitting a mural of racial epithets made from your own feces. In the end I doubt the opportunity costs in terms of time and money for that extra schooling will be worth it in terms of increased earnings potential or for personal and professional development.
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Solid Lizzie posted:Also, law school is just the worst. This times a thousand.
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The Warszawa posted:Yeah, she won't have taught a class by the time I graduate despite this being a "priority" for the school since before I got here. That exam owns though, I've always liked exams like that. My 1L Civ Pro exam was just "here are the briefs in Dukes, you have 8 hours" and then related stuff. My Civ Pro prof did the same except it was "here are some briefs from Jonathan Lee Riches, have fun." 
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I want to encourage him to go to law school because I already hate him and wish to draw sustenance from his suffering.
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Solid Lizzie posted:Even though the prof said they could annotate? I'd be so livid. Having spent two years on honor court I can safely testify to the fact that questions of academic honor and fairness are generally irrelevant to the process.
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2012 grad from non-T14 tier one. It was a really good school for the Atlanta market, only I decided to move out of state for personal reasons. That's one of the many reasons I wish I'd listened to this thread before going, law isn't exactly a field that gives me much capacity to move around. Now I'm clerking part time for a firm I interned at my 2L summer and getting paid crap. Once (if) I pass the February bar hopefully I'll be able to get a real job in someplace that isn't in the middle of nowhere.
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HiddenReplaced posted:Haha, no such thing. Well, as good as you gonna get in the atlanta market. I guess what I was saying was that there at least was an alumni network there which made it easier to network (not that it really mattered for me).
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