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I interviewed recently for a legal job and I don't think the interview went very well. The main theme of the interview was "do you think well on your feet" and I answered all the variations of that question quite terribly since it's fairly difficult to answer those types of questions with no real world experience of any type in recent memory to relate to the interviewers. All of my answers were filled with "ums" and "uh"s as I reached back years to think of some situation of any significance that typified me "thinking on my feet". It was very unintentionally hilarious. The nadir came when I was asked: "A man and his son were in an automobile accident. The man died on the way to the hospital, but the boy was rushed into surgery. The emergency room surgeon said "I can't operate, that's my son!" How is this possible?" The Surgeon is his Mother!  I couldn't get the answer to that (it seems so easy now), and now I feel like a big, sexist idiot. I think it was a joke so I doubt it'll change the outcome, but it really seemed to sum up the whole thing. 
Torpor fucked around with this message at May 12, 2010 around 02:02 |
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I believe the question was simply for levity since interviews are generally awkward. I just think that it had symbolic significance for me.billion dollar bitch posted:What a stupid interview. I wouldn't work for that company anyways; they seem like dicks They were all actually super nice and polite. Oh, wait, that just makes my poor performance hurt more  GamingHyena posted:The surgeon is drunk, duh! Obviously this was an open and shut medical malpractice case. I actually said the kid's face was messed up and he just mistook the identity. Stupid brain puzzles 
Torpor fucked around with this message at May 12, 2010 around 02:27 |
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Save me jeebus posted:Congrats. My husband didn't pass. Currently half deep into a fifth of gin right now. No amount of alcohol can erase the pain of having a law degree, I'm afraid.
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Civil posted:On top of that, she realized that jobs in the legal field paid so low that she ended up getting work as a business consultant (no law degree required) and is making 2x as much as she would have as a lawyer. Is that actually a viable alternative to practicing law? Or, is that her falling back on her undergrad/former life? Alternatively, does anyone know how I could set up a business consulting school to hand out BC degrees and charge $30,000 a year for the privilege of attending? Haven't you guys heard, it pays better than the legal field! 
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GregNorc posted:If you have any sort of technical degree If I only had a technical degree.
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Civil posted:that feel that law work doesn't pay enough I think you're on the border between Trollville and Serioustown. I was at an interview on Friday and the employers asked me what my "pay expectations" were. I simply asked them if they paid at all. The employer responded, "Yes" and that was an entirely satisfactory answer to that question. And no, law degree holders are not "highly employable" outside of the law field. I think this thread has ample evidence that a law degree is more of a hindrance than a help when talking about non-legal employment since the prevailing view of society is that a law degree is a golden ticket (so why hire someone who is just going to turn and get a 6 figure job somewhere else right after training). I think I could get a consultant job at Potter's Distillery since I can just about tell which batch their vodka came out of by sight alone at this point. It's part of Thinking Like A Lawyer, so maybe my education wasn't all for naught.
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Cormack posted:Did you insert the "No JD's" for comedy value or are you getting a different version of that page than I am? I'm pretty sure that's just a subtext. The "no JD's" need not be actually be enumerated.
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Duper posted:gently caress this hope-extinguishing thread. I will get into HLS. Why try to get into HLS when you could just, you know, do something productive with your life? The only erroneous part of this thread appears to be the people that regard the legal profession as some sort of bar upon which success is measured. You should be running for your life, but instead you attempt scorn on us posters who have been there and done that. Suit yourself, I guess, but don't say we didn't warn you. I suppose if you can just run in to Harvard the major concerns of this thread are mitigated. However, if you can get into HLS, why not get into any other Harvard graduate program? I would recommend them first--hell you'll probably be happier regardless of your employment outcomes and paid more. Whatever happens, good luck.
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builds character posted:this is significantly less good than tacochat. A more effective anti-drug program than D.A.R.E..
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan posted:What is with all these people getting jobs and interviews in the last several pages? This does not compute. I've gotten 4 interviews in the past 2 weeks after not hearing back from anybody in almost a year. Not that it's helped me at all, since now I'm out of practice in interviewing. Thankfully, I'm still a practiced drinker, so the haunting memory of every misstep can be drowned in copious alcohol. Oh wait, bad memories float.
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evilweasel posted:Anyone have any tips on being a summer associate? If you ever meet opposing counsel, introduce yourself to them. Be a social butterfly and hope that it pays off further down the road if someone remembers you and can hire you.
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Chakron posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...8#post377185269 Gonna be me
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Welp, 3 job interviews, 0 offers. After this month I have a feeling I'll be competing more directly with the Class of 2010 and the closer I get to the 2010 bar exam date, the less my "have passed the bar" accomplishment means. A recent interviewer suggested (while shooting me down) that I roll over to the city court and introduce myself to the City Court Judge and see if I can't get some minor criminal work ("traffic offenses, DUIs etc") thrown my way to get experience. Is this actually a viable option? Also, I have no idea how to do those things so what's the best way to become familiar? Besides a forms book, the procedural rules, and reading the local, applicable statutes I'm not sure how to get the ball rolling on something like that. Also, making money isn't really the goal, so I'm not real worried about that. Basically, is this a workable plan to get experience, and has anyone done that or heard of it being done?
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Ainsley McTree posted:With best wishes, Oh boy, you got a personal letter from the man in charge himself!
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One of these days SA will have an unemployed attorney in every state. At that point we could form the Goon Squad, PC and then bury legal opponents no matter the state in cut/paste motions and automatic phone calls making legitimate but burdensome inquiries.
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I've been simply unemployment deferring my loans can you consolidate them after the grace period and get on IBR or is the after grace period the issue with your huge amount of paper work? I guess I've got some reading to do
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Ainsley McTree posted:I think you can consolidate them whenever (at least I certainly pray that you can). Consolidating takes up to 60 days though, so plan ahead (though you can get a forbearance for those two months, though apparently the perkins people make you jump through extra hoops for it) Yeah, all of my loans are FFELP stafford loans so I think all I gotta do is consolidate them at the department of education and then apply for IBR. http://www.ibrinfo.org is a nice site, but I should probably just call my lender and they'll know the exact step by step process I need to do. Edit: Shoot, the form has instructions 
Torpor fucked around with this message at Jun 1, 2010 around 20:33 |
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Well I'm more than happy to drink Ainsley's milkshake, so I was looking at Guam jobs. http://www.guamattorneygeneral.com/...nouncement.html What the hell is a Court Clearance? They talk about it as if it separate from a certificate of good standing and separate from a police record certificate. Google turns up nothing and I've never heard of it. Applying for this job seems like a colossal pain compared to other jobs, but Guam looks like an adventure and I'm more than ready for a change of pace (from doing nothing at all).
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Goddamn, Builds Character should work for the Guam tourism board or the employement recruiting office.
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Welp, I managed to fumble my way into a job!  It's a prosecutor position that is susceptible to not existing in a couple months after fall elections, but hey that's way better than unemployment! Granted, now I have to settle down and be a law abidin' citizen  Since I went through the trouble of getting all this Guam-job paperwork together, I might as well apply for that anyhow just in case my job gets closed down by the newly elected prosecutor. Well, I'm off to legally and responsibly go wild  Edit: a year and a month after graduating. Torpor fucked around with this message at Jun 10, 2010 around 23:39 |
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I have my first jury trial coming up here, there are so many things to be concerned with that it's going to be hard just to focus on what I'm doing. Someone gave me some advice to stand to the side of the podium during voir dire in order to evoke a more casual and confident appearance, but I think the pee running down my legs will probably ruin the image. God, being a lawyer is so much fun.
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nm posted:Practice your opening and close, but be prepared to improvise if necessary and don't really script it (if that makes sense). Yeah, I'm working on this. I think I'll stay on script as much as possible, even though that may be a tad boring. I'd rather do that than gently caress up and get a mistrial or just sound really retarded by trying to go off script and failing.
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Welp, just lost my first jury trial today. It was a tough case, but the worse part is that I can no longer say that I've never lost a jury trial before.
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http://www.mainjustice.com/2010/08/...d-for-no-money/ Stop me if anyone's heard this one before. some newspaper posted:They Work Hard — For No Money "I don’t see a downside" says the guy who isn't starving to death in the gutter. Also, they're totally not taking advantage of anybody! No way, not when the job should pay $50,000+ and the people working it are totally unpaid and there are no other jobs available. The experience is invaluable! Now perhaps there have always been fellowships like this, but it would seem that in the current climate it's just about totally impossible to not take advantage of the unemployed. On the other hand, if I didn't have a job I'd totally be applying for these things because, man, that experience would be great! 
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JudicialRestraints posted:http://www.observer.com/2010/cultur...playdate?page=0 FTFA posted:Emily Bazelon, a senior editor at Slate who knew Friedan (their grandmothers were cousins), had an idea. "Men could wake up and retrain themselves-they could become teachers and nurses," she said tartly. That's a "let them eat cake!" statement if I've ever heard one. It's not like the teacher market is doing all that well what with all the local government budgetary issues. And if all the unemployed men switch to nursing right now, by the time they graduate and get certified the market for that would be tight also.
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10-8 posted:Congrats! Well, we are heading into a double dip recession now, so there's that.
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billion dollar bitch posted:Another mailed rejection today. Our list of allies grows thin. Hey, be happy they cared enough to mail you a rejection, scum.
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Hrmm, looks like I'll be out of the job relatively soon. I just wish the OP had more information about the terrible jobs situation currently. Then I could print it off and hand it to my cohorts while I laugh and laugh as the tears roll silently down my cheek. I've been in the alcohol-laced abyss of perpetual unemployment before and I'm not exactly looking forward to returning. For a few months, though, I felt like a real lawyer, a neophyte, scrubby lawyer to be sure but a lawyer nonetheless. Putting on a jury trial was probably the greatest thing ever. For a few weeks I thought of nothing but this trial as I gathered my witnesses, got all the questions lined up, and organized my exhibits. I successfully went through all the witnesses and got all of the evidence I needed admitted, in. No mistrial! I was so proud. I lost. Afterwards, I went through a decompression phase where I realized there was a world out there with things happening. It was better than any roller-coaster ride, drunk, or high in the world and I got paid to do it. Goddrat. Will I die alone? Almost certainly. Will I get another job? Doubtful.
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7StoryFall posted:Yeah, don't go to law school UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE A LAWYER AND YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT A LAWYERS DO. Even then don't go. There are no jobs regardless of how much you like doing it.
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Looks like you guys cleaned amazon out of "Some hints on the trial of a lawsuit" by Rolla R. Longenecker. If anyone is still interested, it looks like there are copies on other sites such as alibris for  .
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GamingHyena posted:Moreover, stop consenting to searches when you know you have drugs in the car. What did you think was going to happen after you said yes? I have yet to hear of a cop say "well, I had a hunch you had contraband in the car but since you gave me permission to search you obviously must be an upstanding individual who is only high on civic responsibility." This, for me, seems to be like 90% of prosecution work. I have no idea why people just wont shut the gently caress up, but there you go; people loving up and inviting massive criminal justice consequences. Seriously, if you encounter a law enforcement officer, shut the gently caress up.
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Save me jeebus posted:Are those mass-produced corn tortillas I see there? drat those motherfuckers look like a week old. You poor bastard. Seriously, the tortillas are cracked from just sitting there on the plate.
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BigHead posted:Employing a system similar to this, I bought two pair of shoes and four video games during law school. "In all she took out more than $679,000 in student loans, federal prosecutors said. They say about $403,000 went for noneducational expenses. "  What in gods name did they actually count as educational expenses, then? Anchorage is a tad more expensive than the lower 48, but holy christ.
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Recettear is actually a pretty fun little game to pass the time. Thanks to however mentioned it here. Unfortunately i can't play it at the office as much as I'd love to.
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Defleshed posted:Maybe in Wyoming or something. Certain places in Wyoming actually have the taco thing nailed down. Laramie, for example, has like 8 Mexican food restaurants. There was a taco truck that used to be parked right off of campus selling tiny burritos at like $5 a pop.
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http://abovethelaw.com/2010/10/laws...n-dildo-please/Above the law posted:It’s a lawyer versus lawyer lawsuit, usually the ugliest kind of litigation. But the allegations made here are perhaps more bizarre than ugly. Don't go to law school: 1) No Jobs 2) Die Alone 3) Wooden Dildos
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Save me jeebus posted:...taco cart on hiatus. This is the most depressing post in the thread.
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Welp, my boss, a county attorney, lost the primaries in August. My boss gets a job and leaves, and I found out last week that the county commission was going to probably vote in the victor of the primary today and he could let everyone go. Today, the county commission installs the guy who won the primary as the new county attorney. He comes in today and fires me on the spot first thing. I called yesterday to ask if he was going to fire me and left a message, but he never called back. To top it all off, I drove 12 hours last week round trip to a job interview. I think I interviewed alright, but at least it gave me a little hope for the future. They ended up hiring my co-worker within 2 hours of his applying this morning and all he had to do was a phone interview. They haven't told me yet that I didn't get the job, but they told him I didn't have enough experience. I found that out today at noon, then got fired right after. 
Torpor fucked around with this message at Oct 19, 2010 around 21:06 |
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BigHead posted:What the hell why would he immediately fire There were 5 other attorneys in the office, 1 was the county attorney who quit, the others quit because they didn't want to work with the incoming guy(and one got the job I sent a resume in for), another attorney is going to work with the incoming guy to help him out, even though he pledged way back when his campaign first started to fire that attorney specifically upon assuming office; I was left alone and he had already pledged the few slots in the county attorney's office budget to friends of his. I had never worked with or even really seen the incoming guy before he fired me. So he fired me to make room for his buddies. Anyhow, rumor has it that he's evidently already dismissing poo poo that he would have to conflict out of because he was a defense attorney in the jurisdiction he was in. Torpor fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2010 around 03:31 |
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HiddenReplaced posted:Pretty entertaining petition for rehearing to the Ninth Circuit. Here are samples: Plaintiff posted:...the 9th Circuit is adjudicating the case with three (3) rear end clowns acting as judges.... Well it's good he didn't leave that ambiguous. Torpor fucked around with this message at Oct 27, 2010 around 22:13 |
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