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Received a phone call this morning; Chicago just got one more prosecutor! 
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Defleshed posted:Congrats buddy! Couple classmates of mine are over there working now. You'll be in good company with some solid dudes. Hope I get this Cook County spot! You are going to be a staff atty at 26th street? I worked there my first summer and it's a great place. The judges are great to work with, and there are big trials going on every single day. America's largest criminal court or something. Are your classmates in Appeals? I might even know them, as I've been interning in appeals since last summer (actually I have to go in tomorrow to finish up my last case).
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May 21, 2010 00:19
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Defleshed posted:I'm interviewing for a spot over at the Cook County Treasurer, actually. I am not sure if my friend works in appeals or not. Do you know a guy named Declan? I don't think I know a Declan. Did he start early this year/late last year? I don't know all of the new people too well. There are a few other departments that you can be placed in for your first assignment, though, so he might not be in Appeals. Good luck on your CC Treasurer interview, too; the more good people in Chicago the better. It's the best city I've been to in the States.
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May 21, 2010 01:16
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nm posted:Fightin' the bad fight, eh? Strange, the first case I worked on (2 years ago) was a white guy who touched countless children and won himself a civil commitment order upon release. On a more amusing note I used that (very graphic) order as my writing sample for firm jobs. SWATJester posted:Wait I thought Lykourgos was Grumblefish. WTF is he doing as a prosecutor? Where else would you have me work? It's a noble office, managing the realm under the learned guidance of honourable judges.
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May 21, 2010 18:14
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The last handful of posts have described the complete opposite of where I work; it's like you lot live in some alternate universe inhabited by amoral slave drivers. Here, they most certainly do care if your dog just died, and at any rate your workload isn't insanely heavy. Lawyers are a noble breed; it's shameful how so many graduates are degraded by big/small shitlaw into low class economic tools. 
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May 24, 2010 22:00
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Ainsley McTree posted:Public sector is the way to go Too right; proper workloads, good co-workers, and no client/partner needling you to generate money or get the work done in a certain manner you disagree with, at a time that is overly pressing. I guess PDs like to call their defendants clients, though, so maybe they still get odd or intolerable demands made of them. Softball is played, too, and there are day trips to the stadium to see professionals play some bastardised form of rounders. Kept thinking of this originally, so I went and got the text and typed it out: "...there goes a story of a Lacedaemonian who, happening to be at Athens when the courts were sitting, was told of a citizen that had been fined for living an idle life, and was being escorted home in much distress of mind by his condoling friends. The Lacedaemonian was much surprised at it and desired his friend to show him the man who was condemned for living like a freeman. So much beneath them did they esteem the frivolous devotion of time and attention to the mechanical arts and to money making." (Plutarch, Life of Lycurgus) How the ABA fails to require all law schools to engender this sort of attitude in students is beyond belief. Lykourgos fucked around with this message at 23:40 on May 24, 2010 |
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May 24, 2010 23:37
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:...But who cares about justice when the lazy public servant's life owns. Nothing in my post should give you the impression that prosecutors are all "lazy public servants", much less that I am. There's a middle ground between being a sloth, and devoting your entire day, every day, to a specific aspect of your life (especially when, in the case of other jobs, it is a lowly aspect). Of course, though, I agree with you that prosecution offices ought to have buckets of money poured on them. Professional accountability/apathy is covered by the great nature of the prosecutor's soul, judges and other peers of the realm, and co-workers.
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May 25, 2010 00:08
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HiddenReplaced posted:The best part of that is whatever he writes, the attorney he gives it to will put their name on it. Last week I wrote something for an attorney where I'm at and she goes, "I just want you to know you did a great job and I didn't have to edit what you wrote other than putting my name on it." Around here, they put a footnote on the front and back page stating, "(intern's name), a 2/3L at X University School of Law, assisted in the research and drafting of this brief/motion".
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May 25, 2010 01:04
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Defleshed posted:Sure man my law school offered all kinds of bullshit classes like that and I took a few. They were interesting and gave me credits toward finishing my degree but they sure haven't helped find a job to pay down this looming 150k of debt. That's hardly the best case scenario. More like, you'll get a tuition waiver, not give a toss about grades, and work consistently and well in a public sector job. Then graduate into a job with respectable hours, people, and pay, working for justice and the public good like some chivalrous nobleman in a field that inspires the hearts and minds of everybody. Also, you'll be regarded as having some semi-divine talent in regards to the law, and will constantly get annoying questions from everybody, albeit spoken with a sort of reverent awe for your brilliance. Edit: also your family will think your the most successful person on the planet, a doctor and a lawyer, and your kids will worship you because not only will they recognize you, you'll actually have time to teach them tha you are awesome. Lykourgos fucked around with this message at 16:56 on May 25, 2010 |
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May 25, 2010 16:49
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Defleshed posted:I meant "best possible outcome" in terms of what 0Ls are thinking they'll be doing in three years when applying to T14 law schools. Yes, but what sort of public sector job would you get without the degree? No doubt there are good ones out there, but some require it. Also, you don't get the intangible benefits of awe and praise; as terrible as the public expectations can be for unemployed law grads, those doing work, even unpaid, are like modern demigods to the public, regularly achieving heroic tasks of great import.
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May 25, 2010 17:06
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prussian advisor posted:More of you guys should drop by the #lawgoons chat room on synirc. Its where all the cool lawgoons hang out I'm still getting internet set up on my main PC at the new place, so I haven't been on for a while, drat it. SWATJester posted:I love how progressive my school was, except for issues of Israel. They don't realize how many Jewish students they've pissed off who absolutely won't donate anything to the school because of it. What an appalling sentiment; I hope you're joking.
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May 26, 2010 00:17
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The Warp posted:She's Chinese, and I'm not sure what her LSAT was. It must have been pretty bloody awful, and she needs to retake it. I got into Indiana University Bloomington for free with a 3.5 GPA and a 164 LSAT, and that resulted in a great job. To get 164 you literally just need to spend a couple of hours the day before doing sample tests. She can do this, and not go to some previously unheard of mystery school out in the savage western marches of America. Going to law school to learn is a terrible idea, too. There is no education there, only three years pissed up the wall between pointless classes. All you get is a piece of paper that allows you to finally do the job you could've done with a highschool diploma and an internship. If your girl goes to those tttoilet schools, she won't even be doing the job, either; she'll just be qualified to do it. Her only hope will be to teleport into an alternate universe where people aren't prestige whoring wankers who see a school name like Berkely and assume the student is worthy (or, more to the point, see your woman's school name and assume she is worthless).
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May 27, 2010 16:23
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Has anybody used examsoft for the bar? I just got an e-mail for the IL bar asking whether or not I wanted to pay $100 for the honour of taking the bar on my laptop. Is it worth $100? What is it like?
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May 28, 2010 00:06
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The Warp posted:She's wondering who the gently caress you guys are and where are all the unemployed lawyers you're talking about? Just get her an account or have her PM/IM/Call some of the people in this thread. Also all the unemployed lawyers are pretty visible in the news articles posted throughout this thread, and every single law school campus in America. Unemployed classmates probably outnumbered the employed ones at IUB, and they most definitely do at whatever those two law schools she was looking at (it's not tough to outnumber a party of 0).
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May 28, 2010 01:29
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SWATJester posted:Examsoft is not always stable for people. It has crashed and wiped people's entire work out. Dear Lord, the pain. I wonder what usually happens at that point; do you just fail the bar, or do you go into overtime? I reckon I might simply take it by hand really. So glad I found employment, so glad.
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May 28, 2010 05:15
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JudicialRestraints posted:Being a lawyer is totally sweet. Definitely true, but on the other hand, she will never experience being a lawyer if she goes to Western.
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May 28, 2010 05:33
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mrtoodles posted:Did she not see today's ATL post? Following that link, I also found another article for our friend: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/05/the-tier-system-within-the-law-school-tiers-according-to-shell-oil/ A job opportunity, but what's this... "To be considered for this position, a candidate graduating from: a tier I law school (rated as being in the top 50 law schools nationally), must have graduated in the top 40%; tier II law schools (51-100) must have graduated in the top 25%; tier III school must have graduated in the top 10%; and a tier IV school must have graduated in the top 5%" What can I say? Up theirs for being shallow, ignorant dickheads, but in any event do not allow your girlfriend to go that t4 law school.
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May 28, 2010 07:53
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Is Cornell even ranked as a T1 law school? It's honestly so rare that the name "Cornell" gets mentioned these days that I wasn't aware they even had a law school. I just assumed they kind of closed the school in the nineties or something; I guess there's a character on the Office who went there but I thought that was another american in-joke.
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May 30, 2010 04:23
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CaptainScraps posted:Today's lesson: In criminal court your motions, PCPs, and appellate briefs are all read. Every argument, no matter how retarded, is responded to, as though all parties were guard dogs barking at the slightest hint of an intruder. People are so diligent that they will even research and reconstruct a nonsense argument so that they have something of actual substance to rebut. This might be because of the higher stakes and superior questions posed by criminal law, though.
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Jun 4, 2010 19:17
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I wanted to deal with law and government because that's the realm of english nobility and great figures of classical antiquity.The Warp posted:Mission Accomplished Excellent news; it sounds like she wanted to go into private law, so you cannot imagine the disaster you just avoided. Imagine having Capnscraps in a dress, or Mookie with lipstick, as your future missus. The horror...
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Jun 4, 2010 19:25
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CaptainScraps posted:They're similar in some respects but gently caress it, I'm not a lawyer. fixed
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Jun 9, 2010 02:59
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Arghhhhhh Lexis just cancelled my account right before I was about to print out the last case I needed. Jokes on them, though; a couple of days ago I cashed in my Lexispoints. quote:The document you have requested is not available within your LexisNexis® subscription agreement. For additional subscription information, please contact your LexisNexis account representative. To find your account representative, please visit http://www.lexisnexis.com/new-user-information. Oh well, we get free unlimited lexis here anyway.
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Jun 9, 2010 19:43
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JudicialRestraints posted:he basically told me to quit caring so much about grades and that working for a firm was for idiots anyway so he was doing me a favor. Sounds like he cares about you, and wants to protect you from entering shitlaw. Stop being such a bloo bloo baby and listen to him for a change.
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Jun 11, 2010 19:02
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Roger_Mudd posted:I poor my heart out to you guys and don't even get a single reply? I'd probably watch an episode or two, so long as the show doesn't get broken up by ads every five minutes or so. Television is an inferior form of entertainment, though, and your subject matter really isn't that great. Perhaps change the story so it's an unemployed lawyer in ancient Greece, and he can make a living being a sycophant or something.
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Jun 11, 2010 19:21
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Just went to another graduation; apparently the university of Chicago has a law school. Not only that, but it's literally the ugliest law school I have ever seen. They have scrap iron on a pedestal outside, and inside their horrid looking building they have modern art depictions of mr. T in make-up and a little black dress. The graduation was held in a building about half the size that it needed to be, so plenty of people were left swearing at some obstructive pillar, and naturally the food tasted horrible. No school is perfect, but dear lord... To add some positives, they had some professor talk about classical antiquity. That was evened out by the other speaker droning on about "poo-poo" (I poo poo you not).
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Jun 12, 2010 22:36
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BigHead posted:If you are smart enough to make through a physics undergrad, then you are smart enough not to go. On the other hand... PastaSky posted:Edit: I just noticed the last post was in feb, did we get a new thread? We might yet have our work cut out for us.
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Jun 13, 2010 18:05
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bropocalypse now posted:I've read the OP, not trolling, just hoping someone has some relevant local knowledge etc You talk about it being well regarded in the region, but I have no idea how you know this. Also, how many tax law jobs are in the region that aren't filled by students who attended more recognisable schools? Furthermore, why the hell do you want to do tax law, and at any rate this sounds like a terrible idea. Don't do it; only go to law school if you want to do criminal law, and even then only go if you get into a school that has a good chance at placing you in a job. Seriously.
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Jun 14, 2010 19:24
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quepasa18 posted:I thought the mantra was don't go to law school unless you want to be a lawyer. When did it get so narrowed down as to only if you want to do criminal law? The original was too broad; if you want to be an ambulance chaser or sell every waking hour to shitlaw, then you really don't know what you ought to want for yourself. It's been pointed out that, with few exceptions, government work is the best work. You could of course be a government civil attorney, or some sort of regulator, but let's be honest: if you want to get into a high class profession, then don't aim for the arse end of it. Therefore, criminal law; plus you do the most good there anyway, given the higher issues involved.
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Jun 14, 2010 20:14
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:While I mostly agree with what you're saying, the regulator keeping vile corporate interests restrained, or one defending the majesty of our planet's natural resources is in a far more noble position than the prosecutor satiating the rabble's thirst for blood and vengeance. Yet, prosecutors don't satiate the rabble's thirst any more than regulators do. Also, I think your misusing the word rabble/people; Prosecutors are the People, so they're quashing injustice in line with their own desire. They aren't some sort of soulless tool that acts to satiate a third-party's thirst. Anyway, I'm glad you mostly agree with me, and getting in at the arse-end is still good. However, regulators just seem a little inferior in terms of their rank and power. I don't see regulators walking around the criminal courts, affording judges the opportunity to execute businessmen or incarcerate executives. I haven't seen regulators wield the same sort of moral authority, either; no judging the moral fibre of individuals, and recommending them for rehabilitation and what not. Basically, if you pollute a lake, the regulator is going to fine you. How nice. Get that under the criminal code, though, and we can try the matter with oaken clubs, and have the chairman jailed for contempt of court when he surrenders.
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Jun 14, 2010 21:29
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CmdrSmirnoff posted:Oaken clubs do sound like a fabulous perk, though. Our judges have double-handed gavels, too.
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Jun 15, 2010 00:17
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Just constantly bring up the Classics, and lead every conversation into an Aristotelean discussion about how horse-riding is superior to bridal-making, or perhaps the heirarchy of noble virtues. I can verify that it works great and open lots of doors in the private field (for you to walk the gently caress out of).
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Jun 17, 2010 02:35
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I got a 164 of the LSAT and attended a T1 school for free and got a job deal with it edit: lois and clark sounds like the best law school; you need to call them up again and constantly make tired old references to superman until they admit you at sticker price. Lykourgos fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jun 17, 2010 |
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Jun 17, 2010 04:26
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Kase Im Licht posted:I really suck at selling myself. Even slightly exaggerating qualifications makes me uncomfortable and I start imagining that I'll be called on it an interview and be run out of the office with an angry mob behind me. Stupid parents. Don't think that way; it's not that you have a tough time selling yourself, it's that you're not some low class commodity to be marketed and sold. Know that you are a well-raised gentleman, and assume the stature and respect of one. Trust me, you don't want the job because you're a mealy-mouthed marketer; just embrace the good lessons you've learnt as a child and go in to the interview with a straight back and strong moral conviction. You will win hearts and minds forged of a finer substance that way, and definitely find a good place in this world. If you want a good story to tell, do some volunteer work and focus on that. As someone else here said, gov offices are always looking for unpaid workers. If you honestly want to avoid behaving in the above manner, then perhaps you shouldn't be in law at all; desperation might forgive a temporary lapse so that you can beguile some interviewer, bad times happen to all of us, but put a stop to it immediately afterwards at least.
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Jun 17, 2010 22:48
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The Warszawa posted:At the risk of sounding like a douchebag, why do you want to be a lawyer/go to law school? I'm a lowly 0L like yourself, but everything I've heard indicates that law school is basically the opposite of what you felt like--a hard, bitchy slog with arbitrary results and little to no positive reinforcement. It says something that the prevailing attitude here seems to be that grades are both entirely arbitrary and, in the best case, determine your prospects (the worst and increasingly frequent case is that no matter how well you do, you are hosed). Just a few things, 1. Law school is by no means hard; it's a bitchy slog that often involves arbitrary results, bullshit subject matter, and lots of other irritating things, but it's not difficult. At worst, it's time consuming until you figure out how to avoid that (or simply stop caring/attending and glide through). A mentally retarded person might not finish at the top of his class, but if he gets to class on time he'll drat well finish with a shiny new JD. 2. Shitlaw life probably makes law school look easy; I'm in the same boat as you here, as I have little experience with shitlaw. Life in goodlaw, though, is far more agreeable than the hell that is law school. They're like two entirely different worlds, which only meet under the most unfortunate of circumstances (like when school pan-handlers call for a donation, or the bar association requests proof that you have a JD).
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Jun 18, 2010 21:12
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^^^ At any rate, you're the only Cooley grad with a good avatar.Green Crayons posted:Those aren't real lawyers. the hammer shapiro?
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Jun 19, 2010 21:16
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toy posted:
How did people manage to keep reading after this line? This is so clearly a troll it hurts; look at his numbers, and then compare it to the school name. If you've gotten a 4.0, then you're likely a try-hard prick who subsists on prestige-whoring and name-dropping. That automatically disqualifies you from even thinking about going to lois and clark. The bit about them attaching a bonus piece of paper to your degree if you study environmental law is just extra cream on top.
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Jun 20, 2010 01:30
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Tetrix posted:Career services says: umm... "here is a school rule that says I cannot do x. Can I do x?" If you want us to say something like "well, it's unlikely anybody will notice," then okay. But it's pretty clearly against your school's policy, according to your post.
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Jun 21, 2010 23:43
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amishsexpot posted:So what other options are there? Which is the least lovely option? Wait another year and take the LSAT again? Hopefully you will be accepted to a school with better job prospects. If you just want money, it's a safer bet to stay in your current job and think about some other profession. But if you want to grow up and become upper class, then go to law school and join your present overlords in the land of "thinking like a lawyer". There are offices where lawyers skip around hand-in-hand singing songs together, but if that's what you want then you probably need to give up on that $100k+ pay cheque at Shithead & Shithead LLP. 10-8 posted:When I went on vacation a couple of months ago I didn't consider it a much-needed break from work, I considered it a change of scenery. Like hopping from one of the Caribbean Islands to another. Yes, but with a sense of bother. I refuse to go on vacations to random places because it just seems like a bothersome waste of time; life is already great, so if I'm going to fly somewhere then I'm going to go someplace where I want to see friends/family. There needs to be something there that makes the trip worthwhile; "relaxation" is already present at home. Lykourgos fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jun 26, 2010 |
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Jun 26, 2010 02:31
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JudicialRestraints posted:I defend against these. I just got put on notice that we are going to be sued for not providing a serial rapist with special shoes. Just wait until you get one from a defendant whose record covers multiple states... "Defendant then argues that he is the victim of a nation wide conspiracy..." crim law owns
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Green Crayons posted:Uh, what are you doing? Stop this. 
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