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Alastor_the_Stylish posted:For that matter, TV and movie cops are leaps and bounds more competent at putting poo poo together than their real life counterparts. Well yeah, because if every TV series used the plots that come out in real life (or on unscripted shows like The First 48), then 90% of all episodes would have the same three story lines. 1. Suspect is poor schmuck, gives a confession after being confronted with evidence. 2. Suspect says nothing, is given up by friends/neighbors/accomplices/family. 3. Suspect invents weak-rear end story, contradicts himself, confesses. Not much suspense in those three- in fact watching real police work kinda gives the (true) impression that it's not that exciting of a job IRL.
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The first 48 is great for this. I'd say 90% of the murder cases they close involve the suspect confessing because he doesn't ask for a lawyer and they basically bullshit him into admitting he did it. In a LOT of those cases you full well know that if the guy had just kept his drat mouth shut and asked for his lawyer he probably would have walked out of there a free man.
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mlmp08 posted:Taken 2: Seriously, this time we're going to make it even more painfully clear how important VIRGINITY OF OUR WOMEN is as Liam Neeson murders hundreds of would-be rapists while all loose women get straight-fuckin-murdered. This was just as silly when TF opined it. The interpretation is a much stronger statement about the people who hold it than the movie itself.
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Fang posted:This was just as silly when TF opined it. The interpretation is a much stronger statement about the people who hold it than the movie itself. You really don't see something there? I mean, the entire premise of the movie is that Liam Neeson has the time to go after his daughter precisely BECAUSE she is a virgin, which puts her in a different food chain than her non-virgin friend who is kidnapped at the same time. The non-virgins get put straight to work locally and are kept drugged up on heroin (leading to the OD of the girl his daughter was kidnapped with), while his daughter gets shunted to the high-end auction circuit where she's eventually bought by a oil shiek or something. You can argue about how deep that message runs all you want. Me, I tend to think it was a convenient way to give the dad an entire chain of poo poo to chew up, beginning with low life street thugs and hustlers and leading up to a final assault on a yacht full of highly trained middle eastern body guards. It also had the added benefit of providing some extra dramatic tension based on the whole idea of the father figure as a protector and the fact that, after a certain point, the audience flat out knew that she wasn't being gang raped non-stop every second he dicked around in Paris but that if he didn't hurry his rear end up she would suffer a very unpleasant fate. I don't agree with the people who think that it was the ONLY point in the movie or who accuse it of being some kind of ham-fisted sermon on the importance of virginity. Still, you can't really argue that the issue wasn't kind of crucial to the plot. I mean, hell, the climax of the movie was quite literally the father/protector shooting the soon-to-be-rapist in the forehead while he holds a big, curved, ostentatiously oriental dagger at his daughter's throat. (I also don't agree with the people that freak about perceived racial messages, but that whole scene could have come straight out of the pages of a turn-of-the-century pulp orientalist novel). For what it's worth, in actual real-life human trafficking that poo poo does happen. It's well established by all sorts of human rights and anti-trafficking organizations that "virgin" prostitutes command a MUCH higher premium in certain parts of the world, whether they really are new to the trade or not. It's a major driving force in the really despicable stuff like child prostitution. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at Jun 16, 2010 around 17:06 |
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All I know is I'd like to see a movie where the first half is the dad from Taken being played off against Jack Bauer by sinister forces, and then they realize they're being played and join up for some major ownage. It would be pretty amazing, if not realistic in the slightest. Also there are definitely old/fat/useless cops on "The Shield", hell Billings made it an art form being pretty much completely useless. Unless he was trying to screw Dutch over, then he was pretty good at it. Also there were a few old schlubs who got retired pretty quick off the bat when they moved into the barn, iirc.
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Cyrano4747 posted:You really don't see something there? I mean, the entire premise of the movie is that Liam Neeson has the time to go after his daughter precisely BECAUSE she is a virgin, which puts her in a different food chain than her non-virgin friend who is kidnapped at the same time. The non-virgins get put straight to work locally and are kept drugged up on heroin (leading to the OD of the girl his daughter was kidnapped with), while his daughter gets shunted to the high-end auction circuit where she's eventually bought by a oil shiek or something. I completely agree with you on all of the above: The daughter's virginity is a plot device to drive more scenes of Liam Neeson kicking the poo poo out of people. It's a beautifully organic and integrated plot device, but that doesn't make it a theme or a message.
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Fang posted:I completely agree with you on all of the above: The daughter's virginity is a plot device to drive more scenes of Liam Neeson kicking the poo poo out of people. It's a beautifully organic and integrated plot device, but that doesn't make it a theme or a message. I'd say the same. The virginity issue is almost a quaint sidebar rather than a big issue.
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Of course in the real world that virginity he fought so hard to save would be given away eagerly to the first 'record producer' who told his karaoke playing daughter she had a future.
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eine dose socken posted:Well yeah, because if every TV series used the plots that come out in real life (or on unscripted shows like The First 48), then 90% of all episodes would have the same three story lines... What about just not having any strong leads to follow and leaving the case unsolved for decades?
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Guys I think he was more concerned about his daughter not out of fear of her virginity being taken but because she was his daughter and he didn't want her to get raped and turned into a sex slave. I'm p sure that's all there was to it.
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No way in hell that the virginity issue wasn't a driving message behind Taken. I mean just look at the title. Taken has a very sexualized meaning. The girl who has had sex is represented as irresponsible and stupid and then she loving dies brutally while Sweet Innocent Baby Angel is treated as much more intrinsically valuable because she is chaste. That may be realistic to an extent but it is presented in a very Victorian morality play way.
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I always figured Taken referred to how his daughter had been taken but I guess I'm just stupid.
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Inspector_71 posted:I always figured Taken referred to how his daughter had been taken but I guess I'm just stupid. Well, she has been taken but Liam Neeson needs to get to her before she gets taken.
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Jesus no one in TFR is able to handle movies, television, or music. You guys all suck at entertainment.
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I enjoyed it despite of its virulent sexist and racist undertones.
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I don't care what anyone says, Taken rocks. Perhaps I just have it in for Albanians, the French and oil sheiks. But I cheer out loud whenever something nasty happens to a bad person in it. Especially the little greasy weasel getting hit by the 18 wheeler, gently caress that guy. I was a little sad Neeson didn't jump the car off the bridge onto the river yacht though, why not go full monty??
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I'm pretty sure Taken was just an excuse for us to enjoy Liam Neeson killing everybody.
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El Jorge posted:I enjoyed it fixed for me, and anyone else here if you're man enough to admit it (by man enough I mean a privileged member of the patriarchy as I am  )
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Taken Bad: Albanians in the movie have dark eyes and hair instead of the pink eyes and white hair they're supposed to have. 
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Mxlplx posted:I'm pretty sure Taken was just an excuse for us to enjoy Liam Neeson killing everybody. Bingo.
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Was it ever actually established that the daughter was a virgin? I don't remember that, but I wasn't paying much attention. As Tmavomodry, Inspector_71, et al, have been saying, he probably wasn't too keen on the whole "gonna let my daughter become a sex slave" thing, and being a spook of some stripe he did something about it. Hell, he tried to save the other girl to some degree, but he was more concerned with his daughter than her.
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I like turtles posted:Was it ever actually established that the daughter was a virgin? I don't remember that, but I wasn't paying much attention. Yes, her blonde best-friend Jezebel Babylonia-Hoor (of the Massachusetts Babylonia-Hoors) told Liam Neeson's daughter she has to lose it some time, might as well be in Paris. Also the Albanians tell the Hon. Mr. Neeson that his daughter is in another castle, because they don't keep virgins here: they sell them.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2010 21:03 |
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And then he ate a mushroom and jumped on their heads, I do remember that scene.
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Taken should have been called Liam Neeson Throat Punches France for 90 minutes.  I would have been the biggest movie in the history of everything, had it used that title instead.
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Full disclosure: I've only seen parts of Taken, because I had to do work while my coworkers watched it. When I wasn't watching 10 minute patches, they were giving updates like: "He's loving this guy up! The slut got owned. Shouldn't have had so many dicks! How has someone not raped that virgin chick yet? OH poo poo HE hosed THAT GUY UP!" Maybe I'll watch it in its entirety now. Fake edit: about 15 seconds in and this guy is loving serious about wrapping his presents. Real edit: I'm no longer upset about the virginity angle. I'm now more upset that the opening scenes are a bad ripoff of the opening scenes of the first Die Hard. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at Jun 16, 2010 around 23:08 |
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I am trying to find details on taken 2: electric boogaloo I hope the tagline is; someone has taken his daughters virginity, and he is going to get it back, at all costs.
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Roundboy posted:I am trying to find details on taken 2: electric boogaloo and now (dramatic pause) it's personal.
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Roundboy posted:I am trying to find details on taken 2: electric boogaloo That would be a great tagline. Antagonist: How do you even take that back?! Neesom-ator: You're about to find out. THIS SUMMER
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Mr. 47 posted:and now (dramatic pause) it's personal.
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mlmp08 posted:That would be a great tagline. BEST.INTERCHANGE.EVER
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Bad: Courage Under Fire. At the end of the movie one of the characters Ending twist: its the Captain is firing a weapon. This person provides heroic covering fire, emptying hundreds of rounds into the oncoming Iraqi hordes, out of what is obviously an M16A2. Without ever reloading or stopping. Good: Battlestar Galactica. The Cylons were treated with realism, AKA it took a lot of rounds to stop the killer robots and the humans got owned by them in any ground engagement.
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Another Bad for Courage Under Fire: They talk about how they had limited ammo and couldn't pull 360 security. why not delink some SAW ammo and reload a few mags so you can have more security?
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HORRIBLY BAD: The A-Team (new film): Melting down Kevlar and molding it into a mask. Kevlar is a fabric, a fiber, that derives strength from being woven. It can be suspended in a plastic resin, like fiberglass is, or carbon-fiber. What was shown during the flashback/reveal was a metal plate being melted down and poured into a mold, but it was described as Kevlar, which couldn't be re-shaped using this type of process.
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2pint posted:HORRIBLY BAD: The A-Team (new film): Melting down Kevlar and molding it into a mask. Kevlar is a fabric, a fiber, that derives strength from being woven. It can be suspended in a plastic resin, like fiberglass is, or carbon-fiber. What was shown during the flashback/reveal was a metal plate being melted down and poured into a mold, but it was described as Kevlar, which couldn't be re-shaped using this type of process. Horribly good: The A-Team (new film): Liam Neeson as Hannibal firing an AC-556 at the beginning of the film and failing to hit anything. Questionable: The A-Team (new film): Liam Neeson removing the firing pin from his 1911 just before capture, stashing it up his sleeve, and then using it to pick the lock on his handcuffs. He then drops it directly back in through the back of the slide in order to render the weapon ready to fire.
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Chantilly Say posted:
Yeah I laughed my rear end off at that and my friends turned to me and were just like "That wouldn't happen ever, right?" and I just said "Yup  "
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I know you guys are raggin on the whole Hannibal firing-pin thing, but do keep in mind he doesn't fire the gun at all during that scene. There is nothing to indicate it was in condition to fire.
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Chantilly Say posted:Horribly good: The A-Team (new film): Liam Neeson as Hannibal firing an AC-556 at the beginning of the film and failing to hit anything. Watch it again. He shoots out the tires of every truck.
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Bad, cover equals concealment. I always love seeing cars get shot up with holes in the drivers side and then the driver races away like nothing happened.
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Bad, New A-Team What the gently caress, a single AT 4 or whatever can blow a hole big enough to rapidly start a container ship sinking, and two or three can break it in half?
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bulletsponge13 posted:why not delink some SAW ammo and reload a few mags so you can have more security? I've only played around with some spent links I found lying around once, but I found delinking to be quite fumbly and slow. It wouldn't surprise me if delinking 'fresh' belts would be near-impossible under those circumstances.
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