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SilkyP posted:I have only ever read AGOT and I'm rereading it now so I can continue on to the other books but I have a question that I've been wondering. It seems like a lot of the main characters are children and I really can't see kids being bad rear end ever. Will this hinder my reading of the series? The thought of 12 year old kids going postal on people is a little hard for me to buy so, do they get markedly older as the books progress or will I have to suspend my disbelief and pretend like children can be badasses? These books are about essentially deconstructing the concept of "badassness."
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Haraksha posted:I completely agree with this. It's like it was designed with the intent of every chapter ending on a cliffhanger. I guess that's his way of keeping the pace up, but it's like as soon as something interesting happens in the chapter, you know it's about to change to a new POV. Same thing happened to me, but it was the first time I read. Every time I'd get to the end of a chapter, I'd have an urge to skip ahead to the next of that character's chapters and continue with their story. It happened to me almost every chapter, with a couple exceptions, and it happened in every book. GRRM makes most of the characters interesting enough from moment to moment that you want to stay with them to see what happens to them. I would say more but it would touch on future books so I'll have to restrain myself 
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May 28, 2010 19:37
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The funny thing is you end up wanting to know what happens next with whatever POV you are on. Then the next POV starts peeling back the layers, or advancing the plot of other stuff you are interested in. It is all good.
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May 28, 2010 19:50
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Zombie Lincoln posted:The funny thing is you end up wanting to know what happens next with whatever POV you are on. Then the next POV starts peeling back the layers, or advancing the plot of other stuff you are interested in. It is all good. I agree, almost every chapter in the series starts off awesome.
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May 28, 2010 22:01
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Finished the first book. That was not how I anticipated things going. Already breaking into the second book. Am I the only one who hates coming up to a Caitlyn chapter? Her chapters seem so worthless and annoying to read. I don't know what it is, I just really don't like her chapters. I'd even take creepy Daenerys' chapters over hers.
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May 28, 2010 22:44
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Don't worry, Catelyn is the most irritating POV character in the novels, since she is just whiny and bitchy over every single thing.
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May 28, 2010 23:04
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Quid posted:Finished the first book. That was not how I anticipated things going. Already breaking into the second book. A lot of people don't like her character, but you get most of your Robb info through her, so you're informed of good stuff happening within her chapters. Look at it that way, I guess.
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May 28, 2010 23:04
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Mr Crustacean posted:Sansa is the most irritating POV character in the novels, since she is just whiny and bitchy over every single thing. I have modified your post to fit my opinion.
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May 28, 2010 23:14
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therapy posted:I have modified your post to fit my opinion. It is known.
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May 28, 2010 23:32
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therapy posted:I have modified your post to fit my opinion. Like mother, like daughter. Can't stand either of them.
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May 29, 2010 00:00
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Phenomneek posted:Like mother, like daughter. Like son too. gently caress Bran.
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May 29, 2010 00:42
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Rhgr posted:Like son too. gently caress Bran. Her only good son was Jo..gently caress, never mind.
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May 29, 2010 00:45
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Che Delilas posted:Same thing happened to me, but it was the first time I read. Yeah, it happened on my first read through, too. And Zombie Lincoln is right, the other characters and plots are interesting enough to keep you reading even though you really want to know what's going on with the character you just finished. Until you get to a chapter that starts "Danny was...", and then I just roll my eyes. I seriously cannot get into her POV or her story. Also, while early Cat chapters are pretty drat annoying, Sansa chapters are awesome just because of how naive she is. Even though I hate everything her character does, it's always fun to read. It's the same reason why I love Cersei chapters.
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May 29, 2010 01:27
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I read this series a little while ago, and I love Robb Stark to death. He may start out like a bitch, but he is insanely bad rear end.
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May 29, 2010 01:53
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I love re-reading this and finding all the ironic lines. For example, one of the early chapters has Jon speaking to Robb when the Starks are getting ready to leave Winterfell. There's some banter about what each will be doing in the future, and Jon says "You Starks are hard to kill." Riiiiiight.
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May 29, 2010 03:14
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therapy posted:I have modified your post to fit my opinion. I believe you actually meant Brienne.
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May 29, 2010 03:25
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Rhgr posted:Like son too. gently caress Bran. Other than Eddard I find all the Stark POVs to be boring as piss.
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May 29, 2010 04:42
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For anybody annoyed by the Stark POVs, keep at it, they greatly improve once poo poo hits the fan. Also, how do you spoiler text? Is it this? EDIT: turns out it is
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May 29, 2010 04:50
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drat, after reading through this thread, I just went out and bought the first 3 books since I had A Feast For Crows waiting to be read. Starting on book one tonight... hopefully I can join in shortly...
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May 29, 2010 04:54
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Quakerman posted:For anybody annoyed by the Stark POVs, keep at it, they greatly improve once poo poo hits the fan. They failed to pull me in even after poo poo got real. Hell I'd have pushed Bran out a window a second time to make him go away.
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May 29, 2010 04:55
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Quakerman posted:For anybody annoyed by the Stark POVs, keep at it, they greatly improve once poo poo hits the fan. I'm on my fifth re-read 
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May 29, 2010 05:35
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SilkyP posted:I have only ever read AGOT and I'm rereading it now so I can continue on to the other books but I have a question that I've been wondering. It seems like a lot of the main characters are children and I really can't see kids being bad rear end ever. Will this hinder my reading of the series? The thought of 12 year old kids going postal on people is a little hard for me to buy so, do they get markedly older as the books progress or will I have to suspend my disbelief and pretend like children can be badasses? Read some history. Off the top of my head joan of arc, richard I, edward III (well most of the plantagenets). Not to mention the War of the roses that forms some of the inspiration for this series had teenage nobility leading armies of both sides.
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May 29, 2010 06:37
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Rhgr posted:I'm on my fifth re-read TheKingslayer posted:They failed to pull me in even after poo poo got real. MONSTERS Actually, I just realized the only reason I liked Sansa's chapters was because you get to see Littlefinger aw yeah Littlefinger 420 plottin errday
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May 29, 2010 06:58
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So I'm up to Catelyn II and it really sucks. How anyone can claim this is good prose is beyond me.
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May 29, 2010 20:53
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I'm to the end point of the first week's readings and while the story is engaging overall, I find myself disgusted with the majority of the characters (especially Catelyn and all of the Lannisters). I'm also finding it difficult to connect with and enjoy any characters in particular. I'm going to keep reading because I really like the pacing at which GRRM's POV way of writing reveals the story, but I just hope some redeeming qualities in the characters show themselves soon or this is going to feel one loooooooooong read.
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May 29, 2010 21:33
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HedgeHodge posted:I'm to the end point of the first week's readings and while the story is engaging overall, I find myself disgusted with the majority of the characters (especially Catelyn and all of the Lannisters). I'm also finding it difficult to connect with and enjoy any characters in particular. I'm going to keep reading because I really like the pacing at which GRRM's POV way of writing reveals the story, but I just hope some redeeming qualities in the characters show themselves soon or this is going to feel one loooooooooong read. I think he want's you to like Catelyn in the beginning, as she is from the apparently good-guys family but yes, she's a oval office Give it some time, there are characters you'll love and hate with a passion, and that's what made the book for me. Quakerman posted:Also, how do you spoiler text? Is it this? You could also use the "preview reply" button to see if you use the correct code.
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May 29, 2010 22:03
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Anders posted:Well, look at the bright side, it makes the re-read funnier, as you've propably missed alot of foreshadowing the first time around (I know I did). I just got around to starting AGoT to catch up to the thread and GRRM just shoved it down my throat so much that the cause of the dire wolf's death was symbolic that I had to poke around the appendix (thanks Locus), finally discovering that the banner of the house Baratheon is a stag. Little babby found his first foreshadow. Reading is very slow-going when I'm trying to concentrate on mentally mapping all these people and their relationships with each other and keeping my eye out for literary devices. I know I should probably just read it at face value but don't want to feel like I'm missing out on something either.
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TheKingslayer posted:They failed to pull me in even after poo poo got real. Hell I'd have pushed Bran out a window a second time to make him go away. How far are you? Because from your avatar I assumed you finished the series.
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May 30, 2010 05:20
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greasy digits posted:I just got around to starting AGoT to catch up to the thread and GRRM just shoved it down my throat so much that the cause of the dire wolf's death was symbolic that I had to poke around the appendix (thanks Locus), finally discovering that the banner of the house Baratheon is a stag. Little babby found his first foreshadow. Reading is very slow-going when I'm trying to concentrate on mentally mapping all these people and their relationships with each other and keeping my eye out for literary devices. I know I should probably just read it at face value but don't want to feel like I'm missing out on something either. drat even as a first time reader I figured that one out.
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May 30, 2010 06:16
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AnUninvitedGuest posted:How far are you? Because from your avatar I assumed you finished the series. I'm done except for the last few pages of Feast For Crows, since I'm saving them for when the next book comes out. It's still fun to audiobook through.
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May 30, 2010 07:21
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HedgeHodge posted:drat even as a first time reader I figured that one out. I missed it on my first readthrough. There's a lot of stuff in the books that isn't obvious unless you're switched on and reading carefully. Going slowly is rewarded in this series, you can really get into the story and see connections that aren't otherwise obvious. quote:I'm done except for the last few pages of Feast For Crows, since I'm saving them for when the next book comes out. Ahahahah
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HedgeHodge posted:drat even as a first time reader I figured that one out. He doesn't mention anything about a horn (unless I missed it) until mentioning the Baratheon crest in Eddard I, at which point it should be fairly obvious. I felt somewhat rewarded that I hunted for the horn's symbolism back in Bran I and found it in the appendix. It's good that GRRM at least gives you multiple sticks/carrots without it screaming "HEY HERE IS THIS COMPLETELY OBVIOUS SYMBOLISM THAT I TOOK GREAT CARE TO INSERT AND IT MEANS THE FOLLOWING...". When authors do that it makes me enjoy the book a lot less. Big Nubbins fucked around with this message at 14:38 on May 30, 2010 |
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May 30, 2010 14:35
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Dendra posted:Ahahahah  Please release it, for the love of all that's good and just.
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May 30, 2010 15:52
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TheKingslayer posted:
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May 30, 2010 15:56
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greasy digits posted:He doesn't mention anything about a horn (unless I missed it) until mentioning the Baratheon crest in Eddard I, at which point it should be fairly obvious. I felt somewhat rewarded that I hunted for the horn's symbolism back in Bran I and found it in the appendix. It's good that GRRM at least gives you multiple sticks/carrots without it screaming "HEY HERE IS THIS COMPLETELY OBVIOUS SYMBOLISM THAT I TOOK GREAT CARE TO INSERT AND IT MEANS THE FOLLOWING...". When authors do that it makes me enjoy the book a lot less. That's actually how I felt about that entire situation. Even though he didn't mention the stag being the symbol of the King until a bit later, just the fact that he stressed the dire wolf dying so much and everyone's reaction to it felt really forced to me.
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May 30, 2010 18:53
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^^^^^^ Am I the only one that didn't feel this had any particular say later in the books? After all, Joffery is more Lannister, even if his sur-name Baratheon, and Stannis/Renly didn't really do anything against the Starks
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May 30, 2010 19:30
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HedgeHodge posted:That's actually how I felt about that entire situation. Even though he didn't mention the stag being the symbol of the King until a bit later, just the fact that he stressed the dire wolf dying so much and everyone's reaction to it felt really forced to me. Okay now I'm on page 70 and since typing that this morning the wolf/stag has been mentioned two more times. I think that makes the grand total of five now? You're absolutely right.
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May 30, 2010 20:08
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Stop meta-gaming when reading and you'll feel better
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May 30, 2010 23:30
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Anders posted:^^^^^^ My interpretation of it is that the reason why all this poo poo happens to House Stark in the first place is because Ed joins forces with Robert to rebel because Robert assumes that his "true love" has been forcefully captured and raped. That is how House Baratheon slays House Stark, and the events we're seeing are just the fallout.
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Haraksha posted:My interpretation of it is that the reason why all this poo poo happens to House Stark in the first place is because Ed joins forces with Robert to rebel because Robert assumes that his "true love" has been forcefully captured and raped. That is how House Baratheon slays House Stark, and the events we're seeing are just the fallout. I think it was just a dire wolf that was killed by a stag. But off course, if want to see a hidden meaning, I guess you can, but I think the Gurm just wanted to lead you on.
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