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Fists Up posted:Thats more a case of The Lannisters Being completely out of touch with their people in King's Landing. Mainly Cersei. People like the Starks seem to value looking after your people more. I was really thinking of the folks in the north to begin with, Winterfell too before it fell. Maybe I am exaggerating. Unrelatedly, I just read the chapter where they kill Catelyn, and Robb. I kind of expected that Arya would once again end up far from her family, but I did not expect that, though I sure saw something of the sort coming with all the build-up. Also it is really fun matching all the pretty pictures in the OP to the descriptions of stuff in the books 
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Thread is getting too spoilery!
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Kneel Before Zog posted:Thread is getting too spoilery! You're not kidding. surprise sex... lemoncakes I just popped back in here to see how you folks have progressed and I see more spoilers (albeit with spoiler tags) than the bad thread has.
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Well, I was just using this thread as a place for random thoughs about the rest of the series since I did not have to expect un-spoiler-tagged answers. Now I am done with ASoS and apparently nothing interesting happens in AFfC so I might as well hang in the bad thread now. Sorry. 
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Kind of tired and busy this Monday, so I'm going to cheap out on the week 4 recap. Might fill in more later, but have at it. Week 4 Recap Arya 3: While chasing cats, Arya stumbles into the middle of the Red Keep and overhears a conversation between two mysterious men; the two are plotting a war.  Ned 8: Robert learns that Daenerys is pregnant and orders her killed; Eddard resigns as Hand in protest. Catelyn 6: Catelyn succeeds in bringing Tyrion to the Vale; Lysa is furious that Catelyn brought him there. Ned 9: Eddard discovers another bastard of Robert's at Chataya's brothel; Jaime accosts him in the street in anger over Tyrion's abduction; Jory is killed; Eddard breaks his leg. Dany 4: Daenerys arrives at Vaes Dothrak. Bran 5: Bran takes his first ride outside Winterfell on Dancer and is accosted by a group of wildlings and Night's Watch deserters; they are all killed save a wildling named Osha. Tyrion 5: Tyrion is confined to a cell and not allowed to see anyone; he finally gets before Lysa by promising to confess his crimes and demands a trial by combat.  Ned 10: Eddard dreams about fighting the last of the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy; Robert and Eddard reconcile; Eddard remains Hand of the King. Catelyn 7: Bronn defeats Ser Vardis Egen in trial by combat to secure Tyrion's release; Lysa orders both of them released onto the high road. Jon 5: Jon and several of his friends learn they are to be raised to the Night's Watch; Jon sees Maester Aemon about raising Sam as well. Prev: Week 3 Next: Week 5, Monday 21 June Tyrion 6 Ned 11 Sansa 3 Ned 12 Dany 5 Ned 13 Jon 6 Ned 14 Arya 4 Sansa 4 Zombie Lincoln fucked around with this message at Jul 5, 2010 around 17:02 |
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Vanadium posted:Well, I was just using this thread as a place for random thoughs about the rest of the series since I did not have to expect un-spoiler-tagged answers. Now I am done with ASoS and apparently nothing interesting happens in AFfC so I might as well hang in the bad thread now. Sorry. Do not go into the bad thread before you have finshed all the books, yes all of them, AFFC has a shitload of stuff happening.
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Mr Crustacean posted:Do not go into the bad thread. This should really be the warning for everyone here, but yes stuff happens in AFFC that you might want to read about first before enjoying all the repetative "jokes" in the bad thread.
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Mid way through the 2nd book. Oh my goodness and I thought that the first book dragged its sorry arse for the first half. Finally, finally, something happens after something like page 400. Really, the ponderous "I'll write 20 pages of poo poo and then make something interesting happen in the last paragraph before laughing at you as I move on to the next 20 pages of poo poo" thing is really starting to wear thin. I was tempted to stop, but I flicked to the end and that seemed exciting enough, so I'm carrying on. But I was lied to, I've not seen any lemoncakes. surprise sex aplenty though. Here's my wild prediction: Sansa marries the hound. Oh ffs, Why the hell do I have to suffer boring bloody Catelyn when Robb is off kicking Lannister arse?. I hate this man for making me read this. It's bad, but I can't stop it. I need help.
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The books aren't about traditional sword n' sorcery zounds i have slaine mine nemesis fantasy, hth.
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Bronn is the single best character in these books. Discuss.
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I found him slightly bland. Yeah sure he's all badass and ice-cold and everything, but he wasn't super interesting. It's not that I disliked the character, but I get a bit puzzled when people talk about him like he's, well, the best character. Someone like the Hound is a much more interesting badass.
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Paper Lion posted:Tyrion is the single best character in these books. There, I fixed it for you.
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Paper Lion posted:Pod is the single best character in these books. I fixed it as well.
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Paper Lion posted:Hodor hodor hodor ho-dor hodor hod-or hodor hodor hodor. Final fix.
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Don't forget his glistening manhood.
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Zombie Lincoln posted:Final fix. Pod and Hodor combine, forming the all powerful Podor
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Khal Drogo killing Viserys by pouring molten gold all over him is probably one of the most badass ways to kill someone I've ever read. If the other books contain deaths half as awesome as that, I can't wait.
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HedgeHodge posted:Khal Drogo killing Viserys by pouring molten gold all over him is probably one of the most badass ways to kill someone I've ever read. If the other books contain deaths half as awesome as that, I can't wait. It was totally amazing. Was definitely  ing at that point. So fitting, too.
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Ryouga Inverse posted:It was totally amazing. Was definitely Most definitely. After Drogo says he'll give Viserys a crown, I was thinking, "ohhhh sheeeeeit here it comes." And Martin definitely delivered.
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After buying it almost two years ago I finally started A Game of Thrones this summer for my beach book and it loving owns. Almost done with it though so already ordered the next one. This is just about the best and most entertaining fantasy anything I've ever read. e: also just found out about the HBO series. boy i sure hope it doesn't suck but i have no idea how they're going to make a series this intense and violent. every drat chapter contains something amazing and ends with a climax Yodzilla fucked around with this message at Jun 23, 2010 around 20:17 |
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Nebalebadingdong posted:Pod and Hodor combine, forming the all powerful Podor Bran-possessed-Hodor 
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The audiobook any good for a game of thrones? I have literally 8 hours 5 days a week to read books at work (via audio) and my ex used to talk about this book a ton so I thought about picking it up but don't want to ruin it via lovely narrator. Anyone know if the narrator is any good?
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Insulation is Pink posted:The audiobook any good for a game of thrones? I have literally 8 hours 5 days a week to read books at work (via audio) and my ex used to talk about this book a ton so I thought about picking it up but don't want to ruin it via lovely narrator. Anyone know if the narrator is any good? Short version: Yes. Long version: Roy Dotrice (just confirmed as Pycelle in the HBO series, btw) is the narrator for the first three publisher-produced audiobooks. Everyone who hears this version first loves him. But, if you can find the Library of Congress books on tape editions, Roy Avers does those, and I think he does a much better job of differentiating all the characters. The last book is read by John Lee, whom many seem to hate, but I actually would put him above Dotrice but below Avers, myself.
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Yodzilla posted:i have no idea how they're going to make a series this intense and violent. It is HBO.
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Karter705 posted:It is HBO. Yeah but I've still never seen an HBO production with this level of gruesome gore.
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Yodzilla posted:Yeah but I've still never seen an HBO production with this level of gruesome gore. In Deadwood a guy's eye got ripped out and he laid in the mud screaming with his eyeball hanging there.
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Yodzilla posted:Yeah but I've still never seen an HBO production with this level of gruesome gore.
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Those are the two I haven't seen.  I guess watching Arliss kind of made me want to commit horrible acts of violence though so that's something.e: i really hope they cover everything in this series. the Dothraki are fantastic.
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Yodzilla posted:e: i really hope they cover everything in this series. the Dothraki are fantastic. They are creating an entire language for the Dothraki. 
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Yodzilla posted:i have no idea how they're going to make a series this intense and violent. In The Pacific there's a shot of a group of mutilated and maimed dead bodies, one of which has its dick cut off and stuffed into another soldier's mouth. I think they can pull it off.
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Jorenko posted:Short version: Yes. I agree with this. I'm so busy at work that i read on my lunch or whenever I get time and when i drive to/from work (circa 20 minutes each way) I listen to the audio book. I know initially i was like, this guy sounds like crap, but you get used to it. He definitely is a good reader but I'm on a Clash of Kings now and realise that he really needs to distinguish the voices a bit more. People either sound piratey, english or northern irish. Sometimes Australian. It's entertaining.
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HedgeHodge posted:In The Pacific there's a shot of a group of mutilated and maimed dead bodies, one of which has its dick cut off and stuffed into another soldier's mouth. I think they can pull it off. fap fap fap (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Viconia posted:He definitely is a good reader but I'm on a Clash of Kings now and realise that he really needs to distinguish the voices a bit more. People either sound piratey, english or northern irish. Sometimes Australian. It's entertaining. That is one of the main reasons I rather liked Roy Avers. He had a "neutral" (a.k.a. "US newscaster"/mid-atlantic/etc.) accent, but he did voices for the different characters pretty well. I picked up hints of despondency as well, which brought out some of the hardness of the world they lived in. Ninja: Of course, it can be difficult to track down his readings for (some of) the books, since they were on cassette and for the US library of congress.
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Zombie Lincoln posted:That is one of the main reasons I rather liked Roy Avers. He had a "neutral" (a.k.a. "US newscaster"/mid-atlantic/etc.) accent, but he did voices for the different characters pretty well. I picked up hints of despondency as well, which brought out some of the hardness of the world they lived in. The worst audiobook I ever heard was a Wheel of Time one for one of the recent books.For a series with some really annoying characters there should have been someone reading it that didn't make you hate the characters even more.
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Is it ever explained how Robert Baratheon got the throne to begin with? I've only read the first two books, but I don't recall it ever being explained. At the time it was ruled by the Targaryens, and they all bred with one another, so why couldn't Jaime just take sit the throne and say "deal with it." Also, one of the things that I love about this book is how the story feels like part of a much larger period of time. Past events are referenced quite a bit, giving the story this very authentic feel. It's reminds me of the "lived in" universe that the original Star Wars trilogy takes place in. Regarding the HBO series, is it going to encompass the entire series or are they just focusing on the first book?
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I kind of assumed that Rhaegar getting Ned's sister pissed off Robert which then spurred him into getting an alliance together under the claim of subverting despotic rule by the Targs as a scapegoat for "you raped my woman now you all die" so once the alliance was successful he probably got the throne for instigating/organizing it or something. Edit: HBO series is going to be one book a season from what we have been led to believe. However, the whole series is going to have the name of the first book 
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Jolo posted:Is it ever explained how Robert Baratheon got the throne to begin with? I've only read the first two books, but I don't recall it ever being explained. At the time it was ruled by the Targaryens, and they all bred with one another, so why couldn't Jaime just take sit the throne and say "deal with it." Robert had the best claim out of all of the people who took part in the uprising (Arryn, Tully, or Stark): Game of Thrones, pg 309 posted:Robert sat down again. "drat you, Ned Stark. You and Jon Arryn, I loved you both. What have you done to me? You were the one should have been king, you or Jon" It is also mentioned somewhere (I can't find it at the moment) that Robert's great grandfather was married to Rhaelle Targaryen, so Robert is actually a decedent of Aegon V, hence his better claim to the throne. edit: decided to spoiler this since the post below me did and it seemed like a good idea. Karter705 fucked around with this message at Jun 25, 2010 around 21:50 |
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Jolo posted:Is it ever explained how Robert Baratheon got the throne to begin with? I've only read the first two books, but I don't recall it ever being explained. At the time it was ruled by the Targaryens, and they all bred with one another, so why couldn't Jaime just take sit the throne and say "deal with it." I decided to spoiler all of this, because a lot of this info unfolds throughout the series. They throw tidbits here and there, but basically the Baratheon's had the best blood ties to the Targaryens. Noble lineage is a big thing, and Robert was essentially the kings 13th cousin 25 times removed if you would imagine. Ever watch King Ralph with John Goodman? Kind of like that. Except there were Targaryens alive, Viserys and Danerys for example, but the rebels ignored that part. The gist of it was, the king then (I can't think of his name) was crazy. So several of the noble houses (Stark, Baratheon, and others) plotted to overthrow the king. They had a huge war, and won. They had some big battle on the Trident, then the Lannister's tricked the Mad King to let a Lannister army into King's Landing thinking they were coming to help them against the rebels. They Lannister's being trixy stayed out of the war until the rebels were obviously going to win, so then they took the city on behalf of the rebels. Jaime couldn't hold the throne against the combined might of the rebel forces comprising Lannister, Baratheon and others and the Lannisters wanted to make nice with the rebels, so they went along with the rebellions plan. But they did get one of the Lannisters hitched to the king, which was the worst thing ever in hindsight. So that is why Robert became king. Essentially the rebels made up a pretext and decided that the Baratheon family would be the most lawful family to inherit the throne during their illegal rebellion. Silly isn't it?
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I still think mine sounds better
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jassi007 posted:I decided to spoiler all of this, because a lot of this info unfolds throughout the series. AlsoI don't think it was as much a pretext as it was the leading rebels being pushed too far after Aerys killed loved ones of theirs in terrible ways.I think Robert pretty much used the rebellion to get his revenge on Rhaegar and the Targaryans.Robert had the most legitimate claim for the reasons you stated.Jamie probably didn't want the throne and no one would have supported him after he murdered Aerys.If Ned had wanted to,he could have made a claim and he probably would have made a much better king than Robert.
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